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    WWE Monday Night RAW (King of The Ring Finals) September 16th, 2019



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    That's a fantastic picture photograph.

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    Could this be the first feud Bray actually wins?

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    Hopefully not.

    Seth desreves his retribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Could this be the first feud Bray actually wins?
    He's won more than he's lost.

    The only ones he's lost that I can think of off the top of my head were Roman Reigns, Balor, Undertaker, and John Cena.

    Everyone else that I can think of that he's feuded with he went over. Kane, Miz, Jericho, Ambrose, Daniel Bryan during the peak of his career, ECW, Ryback, so he's done a pretty good job.

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    Yeah he's won his fair share but generally loses the more significant feuds he loses.

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    Pretty sure I could beat 2014- present Kane

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    Lol the graphics being upside down and Renee being on a hot mic great start lol but bray was great

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    Wyatt lost a feud with Finn when he was the demon at SS

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    He also lost feuds to Matt Hardy and The B Team, and matches to Dolph Ziggler and Jason Jordan...

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    Kane's back...

    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Pretty sure I could beat 2014- present Kane
    ^^^ Hey Kane, Donald is challenging you...

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    Again awful booking what kill alexlander’s push like that

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    That gable flip outside looked rough

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    Yeah, Gable must be crazy...

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    What a weird final...

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    Have a feeling angle helps chad

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    Screw you vince

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    Damn. So much for that Gable push.

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    Got what we expected. Pile on the silly accolades to keep Corbin "relevant". I just hope this doesn't bump Gable back to being just there. Impressed with him and the KOTR run, hope he gets a match with Styles through some #1 contender's match.

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    When do all the trans activist SJW twats show up to complain about the Kanellis baby gender reveal party?

    We shouldn’t assume baby’s gender until it’s old enough to tell us it’s preferred gender, guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    What a weird final...
    How does King Savio sound?

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    - - - Updated - - -

    But is it a bouncing baby boy?

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    Omg his new friends Rowan and Harper?

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    Holy shit it’s rusev

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    So Maria is a cheating bitch and Rusev is an adulterer?

    Great...?

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    Wow he lost a lot of weight

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    Shit man, Rusev looks closer to being the third Colon Brother than the last time we saw Rusev on TV. I guess that would make them the Tri-Colons.

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    Rusev Utrea Rusev Mustache

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    We just heard the term “beta cuck” on RAW?

    My brain is leaking out of my ears.

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    Mayor Kane spending time with “Burns”?

    Wouldn't be the first time.

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    So I just get home and hear the commentary on Sasha and Bayley for a bit. After that Confidential on Sasha last night, how they can have Graves continue with the "she only craves attention" shtick? It's is insufferable. Either explain why he has such a hate boner for her or at least have him dial it back, because anyone who watched that would see that it doesn't reconcile with the person. I know it's not kayfabe, but since they intentionally blur that line just by filming and airing the "real" people before, after, and behind the curtain during shows, we know it's not, I don't know, plausible? Is that what I'm looking for?

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    And I thought the Browns/Jets game was bad.

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    Charlotte just made that save in heels and somehow didn’t break both of her ankles. She’s the greatest of our generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supernovametalstar View Post
    So I just get home and hear the commentary on Sasha and Bayley for a bit. After that Confidential on Sasha last night, how they can have Graves continue with the "she only craves attention" shtick? It's is insufferable. Either explain why he has such a hate boner for her or at least have him dial it back, because anyone who watched that would see that it doesn't reconcile with the person. I know it's not kayfabe, but since they intentionally blur that line just by filming and airing the "real" people before, after, and behind the curtain during shows, we know it's not, I don't know, plausible? Is that what I'm looking for?
    She only did that show so she could say the b-word.
    It's called kayfabe. I know she's a bitch, and so does Corey Graves.

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    You think the Fiend will take out everyone but Rollins?

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    I was hoping he would.

    This Fiend stuff is embarrassingly bad by the way..

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    Quote Originally Posted by corinoismybestfriend View Post
    I was hoping he would.

    This Fiend stuff is embarrassingly bad by the way..
    Subjective and incorrect. A rare combo.

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    That was the most I've enjoyed an episode of Raw in a long time.

    I hope they keep up the Bray fucking with the production stuff. That was a really good subtle reveal at the end.

    THE FIEND Bray Wyatt is amazing. Best thing in WWE in years.

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    Also dig Rusev as the BULLgarian Brute.

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    Say what you will about Corbin but he exceeded expectations in the ring over the course of the tournament. That being said, as for the actual result, they clearly have a hard on for him and just can't help adding heat.

    Relatively high but surprisingly positive usage of Kane in late 2019. Didn't see that coming.

    This seems like favorable coincidence that these acts (Harper, Banks, Rusev, AoP) are coming back just in time for the fall and the big push with the draft. The first three are interesting because I think it closes the loop of the suggested discontents that weren't given time off or just shelved. Kudos to them for trying something different with AoP, too. That was different, but it came off well.

    Speaking of the draft, Fox is led by the NFL. They don't have the TV rights to it, but they have a pretty strong idea and an understanding as to the value of a draft. If there's someone with some stroke for Fox, I hope they don't sit on their hands and actually try to make this draft more interesting.

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    -Dat AOP promo
    -Everything Bray Wyatt/The Fiend
    -Rusev returning more handsome than ever.
    -Charlotte in dem heels
    -Everything else that was less memorable but still good

    Damn, this was an awesome RAW.

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    They just can't quit Corbin. I thought they had given up with him after he got left off the couple pay-per-views after his main event push ended, but now he's King of the Ring. He's not terrible, but on a roster full of great talents he's definitely on the low end. I think he'd be best suited in a tag team or as a bodyguard for somebody rather than a featured single.

    His matches are pretty good, his look is meh (tall, not much of a physique, ring gear is lame), his promos aren't good. On the plus side, his entrance theme is amazing. Shame it's wasted on him.

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    Rusev looks like he's literally half the size of when he first debuted. Holy frick.

    This Maria/Mike thing is just a bag of dear rats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supernovametalstar View Post
    So I just get home and hear the commentary on Sasha and Bayley for a bit. After that Confidential on Sasha last night, how they can have Graves continue with the "she only craves attention" shtick? It's is insufferable. Either explain why he has such a hate boner for her or at least have him dial it back, because anyone who watched that would see that it doesn't reconcile with the person. I know it's not kayfabe, but since they intentionally blur that line just by filming and airing the "real" people before, after, and behind the curtain during shows, we know it's not, I don't know, plausible? Is that what I'm looking for?
    what you're looking for is a reason to complain. use your brain and separate the shit. the one off documentary showing the vulnerable side of a wrestler isnt meant to be held up beside the heel character they're trying to portray on the weekly tv show.

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    King Corbin, Demon Kane, you mad bro Fiend, baby drama and the up to you who to cheer for women's division. This show is choas and not in a good way. I guess Heyman was in charge last night and boy did it show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    what you're looking for is a reason to complain. use your brain and separate the shit. the one off documentary showing the vulnerable side of a wrestler isnt meant to be held up beside the heel character they're trying to portray on the weekly tv show.
    I can separate the two. However, wrestling is this unique entity which makes it...I don't know, different somehow. Don't get me wrong, I love that we can see the real people behind the personas.
    It seems to me, heel or face, on commentary, I've heard Graves laud the praises of Alexa. Heel or face, laud the praises of Charlotte. But throughout the entire time, has always screamed over everyone about how Sasha is this terrible human being. I just want a reason. He is one of the voices advancing the narrative on television.

    What I can complain about is using Rusev for some stupid baby mama drama shit. Guy should have been champion a long time ago, and this is what they're wasting his return on?

    But I digress...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Yeah he's won his fair share but generally loses the more significant feuds he loses.
    As most heels do.....unless you're Triple H or Randy Orton. Outside of that, not too many heels on the winning side of major feuds.

    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Wyatt lost a feud with Finn when he was the demon at SS
    Yep mentioned him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    He also lost feuds to Matt Hardy and The B Team, and matches to Dolph Ziggler and Jason Jordan...
    There was never an actual feud with the B-Team was there? And I'm pretty sure he beat Matt Hardy and then they started teaming. Losing matches v. losing feuds, 2 totally different things as he's also beat Dolph Ziggler and Jason Jordan several times including beating Jordan/Gable for the tag-team titles....

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    Rusev looks old as hell with that mustache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supernovametalstar View Post
    So I just get home and hear the commentary on Sasha and Bayley for a bit. After that Confidential on Sasha last night, how they can have Graves continue with the "she only craves attention" shtick? It's is insufferable. Either explain why he has such a hate boner for her or at least have him dial it back, because anyone who watched that would see that it doesn't reconcile with the person. I know it's not kayfabe, but since they intentionally blur that line just by filming and airing the "real" people before, after, and behind the curtain during shows, we know it's not, I don't know, plausible? Is that what I'm looking for?
    I do hate the random nature of the commentary team at times. Sasha has finally shown who shes really is etc, then Renee immediately tells people to go and watch the Network special where she came across great.

    It's not quite as bad as Michael Cole, the neutral guy, calling Mike a loser akin to the Vols when Graves, the heel announcer, is right there with him.

    Rusev looked fantastic though.

    Good show generally I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    And I'm pretty sure he beat Matt Hardy and then they started teaming.
    Their feud culminated at the Ultimate Deletion, where Matt Hardy deleted Sister Abigail by throwing Bray into the lake of reincarnation...

    There was never an actual feud with the B-Team was there?
    The B Team beat them 3 times...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Losing matches v. losing feuds, 2 totally different things as he's also beat Dolph Ziggler and Jason Jordan several times including beating Jordan/Gable for the tag-team titles....
    I think when your gimmick is horror, trading wins with everyone is a problem...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    -Dat AOP promo
    -Everything Bray Wyatt/The Fiend
    -Rusev returning more handsome than ever.
    -Charlotte in dem heels
    -Everything else that was less memorable but still good

    Damn, this was an awesome RAW.

    This RAW was helped by the fact that Jets/Browns was terrible, and the Comedy Central Roast of Alec Baldwin had been on the night before.

    I agree with you about Dat AOP promo, and about Ru Ru Rusev. I liked the Bray stuff, especially the Firefly Fun House promos. And while Truth is fantastic, having Mayor Glen Jacobs win another title - "I still got it!" made me laugh. I get they wanted to use Kane in his hometown for the nostalgia pop, and understand he probably wanted to help put the Fiend over, but Kane seemed to have missed a few appointments in the tanning bed.

    Since this show featured Corbin's KOTR victory, as well as more Maria/Mike stuff, I cannot agree that it was an awesome RAW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    This RAW was helped by the fact that Jets/Browns was terrible, and the Comedy Central Roast of Alec Baldwin had been on the night before.

    I agree with you about Dat AOP promo, and about Ru Ru Rusev. I liked the Bray stuff, especially the Firefly Fun House promos. And while Truth is fantastic, having Mayor Glen Jacobs win another title - "I still got it!" made me laugh. I get they wanted to use Kane in his hometown for the nostalgia pop, and understand he probably wanted to help put the Fiend over, but Kane seemed to have missed a few appointments in the tanning bed.

    Since this show featured Corbin's KOTR victory, as well as more Maria/Mike stuff, I cannot agree that it was an awesome RAW.
    I actually didn't mind the Maria/Mike stuff because it now has a clearer direction and will lead to an in-ring feud. It's a bit Crash TV-ish, but in the small dose, it's kind of a nice mix-up for the show. Plus, Rusev.

    I mostly agree on Corbin, but my point was more that there was so much to like that moments like that were kind of overlooked. Besides, the match was still pretty good.

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    How does Rusev get handsomer every time he returns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    He's won more than he's lost.

    The only ones he's lost that I can think of off the top of my head were Roman Reigns, Balor, Undertaker, and John Cena.

    Everyone else that I can think of that he's feuded with he went over. Kane, Miz, Jericho, Ambrose, Daniel Bryan during the peak of his career, ECW, Ryback, so he's done a pretty good job.
    And he lost the feud with Orton.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bagel View Post
    Got what we expected. Pile on the silly accolades to keep Corbin "relevant". I just hope this doesn't bump Gable back to being just there. Impressed with him and the KOTR run, hope he gets a match with Styles through some #1 contender's match.
    Corin's a future Hall of Famer. Let that sink in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    How does Rusev get handsomer every time he returns?



    And he lost the feud with Orton.



    Corin's a future Hall of Famer. Let that sink in.
    Naw, Wyatt won the House of Horrors match at Payback. He did lose the title to Orton, but he won the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Naw, Wyatt won the House of Horrors match at Payback. He did lose the title to Orton, but he won the war.
    Oh, that's right. The first person to make it to ring won. The fact that I thought Randy won the match proves how little Bray's victories seem to matter. The Wyatts won their feud with New Day, but it was never presented as big deal and is pretty much forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Oh, that's right. The first person to make it to ring won. The fact that I thought Randy won the match proves how little Bray's victories seem to matter. The Wyatts won their feud with New Day, but it was never presented as big deal and is pretty much forgotten.
    He actually pinned Orton. It was such a weird match. Jinder and the Sing Bros coming out attacking Orton. I was going to make a thread where I gave my personal opinion on the top 5 wrestlers the WWE wasted our time with pushing over the last 10 years. Jinder was on that list, very very high on the list.

    I really liked that Wyatt-New Day feud. Problem was it happened before the Smackdown move to USA on Tuesdays so they had to rush all that shit like the Shield triple threat match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    He actually pinned Orton. It was such a weird match. Jinder and the Sing Bros coming out attacking Orton. I was going to make a thread where I gave my personal opinion on the top 5 wrestlers the WWE wasted our time with pushing over the last 10 years. Jinder was on that list, very very high on the list.

    I really liked that Wyatt-New Day feud. Problem was it happened before the Smackdown move to USA on Tuesdays so they had to rush all that shit like the Shield triple threat match.
    That match was some WCW shit. Wasn't it an idea Michael Hayes held on to for a couple decades?

    Yeah, the Wyatts and New Day had a blow off match right before the split with Bray pinning Xavier. At that point, New Day losing a feud should have been a big deal, but it was never mentioned again.

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    That New Day/Wyatt Family feud was probably the best thing Bray and the Family were involved in. They had that stuff where Woods seemed entranced by Bray, one of the only times his cult leader allure actually seemed to come into play, and they had a damn good match that the Family won in decisive fashion.

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    I kinda wished they'd explored the Woods being entranced angle more, either resulting in Woods coming to his senses on his own turning down an invitr then getting payback or that Bray deemed him unworthy then Woods getting payback. It just kinda got swept under the rug like nothing happened with him although the match was still damn good.

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    Yeah, that feud could have been very interesting if it had more time to develop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supernovametalstar
    So I just get home and hear the commentary on Sasha and Bayley for a bit. After that Confidential on Sasha last night, how they can have Graves continue with the "she only craves attention" shtick? It's is insufferable. Either explain why he has such a hate boner for her or at least have him dial it back, because anyone who watched that would see that it doesn't reconcile with the person. I know it's not kayfabe, but since they intentionally blur that line just by filming and airing the "real" people before, after, and behind the curtain during shows, we know it's not, I don't know, plausible? Is that what I'm looking for?
    Reportedly it's due to him being friends w/ Bliss and the backstage heat between her and Banks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibSuperstar View Post
    Reportedly it's due to him being friends w/ Bliss and the backstage heat between her and Banks.


    Fuck off.

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