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    WWE Money in the Bank - May 19th 2019





    May 19th, 2019






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    WWE World Heavyweight Championship
    Kofi Kingston vs. Kevin Owens




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    WWE Universal Championship
    Seth Rollins vs. AJ Styles




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    WWE SmackDown Women's Championship
    Becky Lynch vs. Charlotte




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    WWE Men's Money in The Bank Match
    Ricochet, Sami Zayn, McIntyre, Corbin
    Finn Balor, Ali, Randy Orton, Andrade







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    WWE RAW Women's Championship
    Becky Lynch vs. Lacey Evans






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    Grudge Match
    Roman Reigns vs. Elias






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    WWE Women's Money in The Bank Match
    Naomi, Natalia, Dana Brooke, Nikki Cross
    Bayley, Carmella, Ember Moon & Mandy Rose








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    Steel Cage Match
    The Miz vs. Shane McMahon






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    US Championship Match
    Samoa Joe vs. Rey Mysterio





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    WWE Cruiserweight Championship Match
    Tony Nese vs. Ariya Daivari







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    KICKOFF MATCH
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    WWE SmackDown Tag Team Championship
    The Planet's Champions vs. The Usos






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    I'm really curious who wins the Women's MITB. Feels like almost anyone could win it. That being said, anyone but Charlotte.

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    I could see Bayley winning. Happy go lucky Bayley with the briefcase, then cashes in in a heelish way over Becky, setting up for a Bayley heel turn. Could she pull it off?

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    If Bayley turns heel I hope she'd bring a knife out for her entrance to stab the inflatables

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    We're at 50 percent in terms of success rate for cashing in over the last two years. It feels like we're eventually looking for an exit strategy for Becky to shift to a brand and the easy answer is for her to go to Raw and remain that brand's champion so a Smackdown woman (where there are plenty of credible ones) should win the briefcase. As for the men, I'm very interested to see which route they take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I could see Bayley winning. Happy go lucky Bayley with the briefcase, then cashes in in a heelish way over Becky, setting up for a Bayley heel turn. Could she pull it off?
    I can get on board with a Bayley win.

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    So Elias vs Roman and Kevin Owens vs Kofi Kingston WWE championship match.

    Nice Card building up.

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    Roman may be able to get Elias's'ss first good match out of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Roman may be able to get Elias's'ss first good match out of him.
    Elias already had a good match with Rollins for the IC title

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    Elias vs. Reigns will be a good match. This card is shaping up to be fun, though it's going up against the Game of Thrones finale.

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    They'll eventually add a tag team Money in the Bank I bet. Could even be this year considering the sets of tag champs are either pre-show acts or injured. Uso's, War Raiders, Revival, Gable/Benjamin, Rusev/Nakamura and Good Brothers or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    If Bayley turns heel I hope she'd bring a knife out for her entrance to stab the inflatables
    I really want to see this now!

    Also have her refuse hugs because she says the audience has BO.

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    Im going Andrade for the guys.

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    What if Andrade wins for the guys, and Zelina Vega wins for the women? A power couple with briefcases...

    Of course you could have Charlotte beat Becky for the title, and then you can have Zelina win the MITB match, and it would be a storyline manager vs. actual girlfriend.

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    @Donald, if they do that, knowing the WWE they'd probably ruin it by turning Charlotte into a valet.

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    As long as she never says "Wooo" again, I'd be ok with that.

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    Yes! The 'Wooo' is just cringe.

    The wink isn't much better.

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    It was the Woo and the mole that bothered me, and it seems like the mole is gone.

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    Shayna Basler should debut and win MITB. That division needs another true heel.



    For the men, I'd like to see Big E, Finn, or KO.

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    Yes, I'd agree on Shayna coming in and taking it and KO. KO taking it totally fits.

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    Doubt KO is in the MITB match... just started the feud with Kofi, so that match is gonna be on the card.

    I got Drew Mac.

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    I wish they did continue Kevin Owens being a part of the new day and wining the Money in the Bank while Kofi continues to have the WWE championship. Conflicted Kevin when ever Kofi is attacked would have been gold.

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    Kofi always watching his back whenever KO was around with the briefcase would be good.

    If WWE really needs a top heel to work with Kofi, why not Orton or Rusev or Shinsuke

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    The Rusev/Shinsuke team just doesn't do anything... they weren't even teaming until R-Truth won the US title, correct? Rusev was a face and Shinsuke the heel... it's just such an odd pairing. I'd appreciate a betrayal angle where Rusev destroys Shinsuke, take him off TV a couple weeks or so and he returns as face Shinsuke.

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    It comes down to too many talent on the goddamn roster, not everyone can breathe. So you're gonna get superb talent stuck in limbo. I suppose Nakamura's language barrier hasn't helped but that's not his fault.

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    I'd be good with Drew Mac.


    I'd also be good with an angle where KO controls the match, Kofi pulls out a win. And then by some tomfoolery KO gets himself in the main event mitb. KO can be such a great heel. I think he'd be one of the people that could pull off an angle like that, and also make MITB a strong part of his presentation. Admittedly, this is a bit convoluted, but I think it could work.



    Big E and Kofi think could be played a couple ways. Tempting Big E. Legitimate conversations on how Kofi finally got his shot, how long should Big E wait to get his. Proper face vs. face feud.

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    I would love to see Big E with the briefcase and Kofi with the title. Would be fun to watch it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    I would love to see Big E with the briefcase and Kofi with the title. Would be fun to watch it go.
    And they don't actually have to split up the New Day to have a dramatic internal feud between brothers that ends in reconciliation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    And they don't actually have to split up the New Day to have a dramatic internal feud between brothers that ends in reconciliation...
    Basically I just really want to see all three men clap and bounce down the ramp to their entrance music while Kofi and Big E. are both looking sideways at each other. Still clapping. But never looking away from each other out of the side of their vision.

    Big E. throwing pancakes that are mostly smacking kids in the face because he isn't looking where he's throwing them.
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    Is the MITB briefcase better suited for a heel?

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    Depends what happens with the current champions

    Styles/Rollins winner, I don't think it would matter
    Kofi, probably a heel - Owens, I wouldn't mind seeing Ricochet win.

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    I wouldn't mind seeing Drew win. He's one of the more predictable wins but I think he could do the case justice.

    For the women, it's a little more difficult for me to pick a winner. If Sasha Banks was in it then I would definitely peg her as a heavy favorite and use it to turn her heel and get a huge feud going with Becky Lynch. But with her out, as long as Carmella doesn't get the W. I would say I'm leaning toward Mandy Rose. Blonde Blonde Blonde Blonde Blonde.

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    always thought heels go better with the MITB briefcase.. they seem to play the sneaky heel " im gonna come get you when your down" theme

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    I think it'll be Drew, wouldn't be surprised (or disappointed) with Andrade. Not with Vega as his mouthpiece and agitator for opponent.
    Nothing too intriguing about Orton or Corbin winning.

    I think a surprise scenario could be Braun winning, but not cashing in for awhile, getting traded to Smackdown and pursuing Owens, who I imagine will win the title in the next four months, and renewing that feud.

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    Braun winning and doing what he did last year where he called his shot and said "I'm cashing in at this ppv" again wouldn't be a bad idea. I think Braun has the potential to either be one of the biggest stars of the last 10-20 years or one of the biggest missed opportunities in the last 10-20 years.

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    It seemed to me that they are setting up a program with Sami and Braun - so I suspect Sami somehow will distract Braun to prevent him winning MITB again. In other words, here comes another waste of Braun's opportunity.

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    The card looks really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    The card looks really good.
    I agree. World and Universal matches are going to be fire. Men's MITB will be very good. Becky pulling double duty. Roman v. Elias will be what it is. Elias is such a great character but his matches are so mediocre I don't even want to watch him wrestle, just do his thing with the guitar.

    I'm not super high on the women's MITB, I feel it's going to be very very fake looking. The hesitation that so many women have in their offense takes me out of their matches so often it's not even funny. Seriously, only a handful are unafraid of even hitting the ropes, I can only imagine the bump Dana Brooke or Carmella will take in this match. Probably bust out that baby ladder lol.

    Any idea what the tag-team titles will be doing? We'll probably find out on SD what their plan is for the belts.

    I honestly think Miz v. Shane is going to be one of the best matches of the night. It's such a weird feud because I'm not very high on Miz as a babyface but it's somehow working.

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    As much as I like Roman and Elias, this would be my piss break match on the card. I missed Roman vs. Drew at Mania but that was unintentional, and seems I didn't miss much either.
    I'm just not as into Miz vs. Shane any more. I mean it worked for what it needed to be at Mania but continuing the feud doesn't really stand out as must-watch for this card. The presentation of Miz moving to RAW while Shane was out for the start of that show was great but.... need to move on.

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    The rumor was that the winner's of the MITB matches were going to be groomed into future stars right?

    Men's

    Braun Strowman: Possibly, but they had the chance before and never went through with it, so it's doubtful he'll win.
    Ricochet: I think he may need to be established more on the main roster.
    Drew McIntyre: I don't know, he's lacking something.
    Baron Corbin: My god if he won it would surely be a troll job. I love Corbin though and would be happy if he did win.
    Ali: Don't know much about it, so maybe see Ricochet above.
    Finn Balor: Come to think of it, yes. Let's have Finn win.
    Andrade: Language barrier holding back?
    Randy Orton: Just a seasoned player in the match surely.

    Women's:

    Heel turn Bayley is the way to go.

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    I think Drew has a good ring presence, does a lot of things good, just nothing that really stands out to me. Maybe he could be paired with a tag team like The Revival.

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    A new stable of the three, called the Boring Brothers? Sounds good. If they keep them all on the preshow every PPV that would be good. Maybe add in Gulack, and have the two Drews team up as Drew Gulackintyre.

    Funny thing is I liked Drew McIntyre like 10 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I agree. World and Universal matches are going to be fire. Men's MITB will be very good. Becky pulling double duty. Roman v. Elias will be what it is. Elias is such a great character but his matches are so mediocre I don't even want to watch him wrestle, just do his thing with the guitar.

    I'm not super high on the women's MITB, I feel it's going to be very very fake looking. The hesitation that so many women have in their offense takes me out of their matches so often it's not even funny. Seriously, only a handful are unafraid of even hitting the ropes, I can only imagine the bump Dana Brooke or Carmella will take in this match. Probably bust out that baby ladder lol.

    Any idea what the tag-team titles will be doing? We'll probably find out on SD what their plan is for the belts.

    I honestly think Miz v. Shane is going to be one of the best matches of the night. It's such a weird feud because I'm not very high on Miz as a babyface but it's somehow working.
    Elias is the male equivalent of Alexa Bliss. Great on the mic, gets tons of heat, but his matches tend to disappoint. He'd be better off in a tag team where he can hide his weaknesses in the ring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    A new stable of the three, called the Boring Brothers? Sounds good. If they keep them all on the preshow every PPV that would be good. Maybe add in Gulack, and have the two Drews team up as Drew Gulackintyre.

    Funny thing is I liked Drew McIntyre like 10 years ago.
    Drew was great in TNA as the Braveheart of wrestling. Guy could be a monster babyface, but he's just sorta there as a heel.

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    Yeah, I really want to like Drew, but sadly, I agree that he's missing something and is fairly boring.

    As for the MITB card, yes, this looks very good. Looking forward to it.

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    Drew is Randy Orton without the RKO.

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    That's being way more generous than Drew deserves.

    Randy has far more talent than Drew. Randy moves around a lot more fluidly than Drew, and Randy sells a LOT better than Drew.

    Randy is a sure-fire Hall-of-Famer, even without his RKO.

    Drew is getting a heck of a lot of protection in this recent push, but I think he's miscast as a heel.

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    Good point. I occasionally look forward to an Orton match. Can't say the same about Drew. Also, he was a face in NXT and it didn't help.

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    Drew as a babyface might be a positive for him to be honest. He was doing just fine as a heel until they paired him up with Lashley and Corbin. What a mistake. Drew as a no nonsense babyface stepping up and smashing heels into oblivion might be cool to test out.

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    Ali needs to win the briefcase and then have the storyline where this is his second chance and HE CAN'T FAIL. He can feud with Randy and Andrade over the briefcase and go on to face Kevin Owens for the belt.

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    Why have they removed Braun?

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    Probably didn't want him to win and then figure out the circumstances of him cashing in or botching it. Easier to make him a wrecking ball to cost others the match.

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    Looks like the big man's been wrestling injured recently. Hopefully he heals well. I'd love to see a program with him and Lesnar again.

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    Wow. Bryan and Rowan versus The Usos...on the preshow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Why have they removed Braun?
    Working hurt but more so because it's part of a bigger storyline for him, according to the "news".

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    I was just offered a ticket to see MITB here in Hartford, from my neighbor, if I can take his 15 yr old kid, but I can't make it. My daughter is graduating from Yale that day and we have plans with the family Sunday night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Wow. Bryan and Rowan versus The Usos...on the preshow.
    I hate hate hate Bryan and Rowan as a tag-team let alone tag-team champions. The fact you have Daniel Bryan on the pre-show in a inter-promotional tag-team match is odd. The most over fucking heel on the brand, he's in a tag-team with dead weight aka Rowan, on the pre-show.....the fuck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I hate hate hate Bryan and Rowan as a tag-team let alone tag-team champions. The fact you have Daniel Bryan on the pre-show in a inter-promotional tag-team match is odd. The most over fucking heel on the brand, he's in a tag-team with dead weight aka Rowan, on the pre-show.....the fuck?
    It’s weird, especially since we pretty much got a clean finish two weeks ago. If (big if) we hadn’t gotten that, I think this would have been questionably passable simply for the fact Bryan was out of the picture with whatever it was he was dealing with. If he wasn’t out, I imagine we would have gotten a Mania rematch or a triple threat with Owens. Since they had to move on to just Owens, they needed something new for Bryan. I don’t hate the idea of him being in the tag title picture but I think it was ultimately rushed because he just came back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    It’s weird, especially since we pretty much got a clean finish two weeks ago. If (big if) we hadn’t gotten that, I think this would have been questionably passable simply for the fact Bryan was out of the picture with whatever it was he was dealing with. If he wasn’t out, I imagine we would have gotten a Mania rematch or a triple threat with Owens. Since they had to move on to just Owens, they needed something new for Bryan. I don’t hate the idea of him being in the tag title picture but I think it was ultimately rushed because he just came back.
    It felt like the WWE aren't confident with the Smackdown's tag-team roster the same way they weren't with Raw and having shit teams like Seth Rollins and Jason Jordan as tag-team champions. I couldn't even tell you a single team on Smackdown other than B-Team. Is the Club still there? If they are, they should have been the champs. Just a nice dominant reign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    It felt like the WWE aren't confident with the Smackdown's tag-team roster the same way they weren't with Raw and having shit teams like Seth Rollins and Jason Jordan as tag-team champions. I couldn't even tell you a single team on Smackdown other than B-Team. Is the Club still there? If they are, they should have been the champs. Just a nice dominant reign.
    To be fair, they really didn’t think it out in terms of what’s left in the cupboard so I can’t fault them for not being confident. It also seemed like the Jordan/Rollins pairing was simply to break them up but we’ll never know. The Club isn’t on Smackdown anymore, for the record. It’s basically the champs, Rusev/Nakamura, Heavy Machinery, The Colons, and The B Team. If Bryan is out of the title picture, this isn’t a terrible use for him. It’s implied they want to make Rowan a thing so with that added baggage, this makes more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    To be fair, they really didn’t think it out in terms of what’s left in the cupboard so I can’t fault them for not being confident. It also seemed like the Jordan/Rollins pairing was simply to break them up but we’ll never know. The Club isn’t on Smackdown anymore, for the record. It’s basically the champs, Rusev/Nakamura, Heavy Machinery, The Colons, and The B Team. If Bryan is out of the title picture, this isn’t a terrible use for him. It’s implied they want to make Rowan a thing so with that added baggage, this makes more sense.
    Yeah the Smackdown tag division took a mega hit. Lost The Bar and New Day due to injury, lost The Club and Usos to the shake up.....Rusev/Nakamura would have been my choice if that list is all we have.

    I just feel Bryan is above the tag division and Rowan....He'll be hurt within a week.

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    I can live with Bryan being 1/2 of the tag title champs, since it's completely understandable why. Right after Mania, they really weren't sure that Bryan would be back at all, so they couldn't plan on him in a rematch with Kofi, nor could they build him against anyone else. With the Hardyz relinquishing the titles, and the Bar getting split up also due to the injury to Sheamus, they didn't have great options in the once proud SD tag team division. I would much rather see Rowan given a chance with Bryan, than to see him return to the cartoonish Bludgeon Brothers disaster. Rowan has been used well in this role with Bryan - he doesn't need to talk, and he can play the monster heater well enough. I am not suggesting I want to see them hold the tag belts until SummerSlam, but for this month's event, I am happy that Bryan is well and even on the card.

    I would like to see the Uso's win on the pre-show, and in a post-match interview Bryan hints that he's not done for the night. Then later, he interferes in the main event match with Kofi, laying him out, causing Kofi to retain by DQ, but Owens gets pissed off too. On Smackdown, on the Kevin Owen's Show segment, Owens calls out Bryan for an explanation. Bryan explains that being smarter than everyone else, he put a rematch clause in the Mania contract so he deserves the chance to defeat Kofi. Sami comes in to back up KO but Rowan stops them. So we get a few weeks of tag matches with Sami/KO vs. Kofi/Woods with DB/Rowan on commentary, then switch up etc., before a triple threat match at the next PPV. This allows Kofi to have more than a single month title reign, and it gets Bryan back into the main title scene where he belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Yeah the Smackdown tag division took a mega hit. Lost The Bar and New Day due to injury, lost The Club and Usos to the shake up.....Rusev/Nakamura would have been my choice if that list is all we have.

    I just feel Bryan is above the tag division and Rowan....He'll be hurt within a week.
    And they lost The Hardyz too due to injury. I probably would have went with what they did, even with the baggage and potential upside of Rusev/Nakamura. Bryan is too good in all facets of the show (better than either of them) and he can probably get some mileage out of the dead division. I was ready to call out the lack of them not having the belts Tuesday, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s because he’s getting new ones made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    And they lost The Hardyz too due to injury. I probably would have went with what they did, even with the baggage and potential upside of Rusev/Nakamura. Bryan is too good in all facets of the show (better than either of them) and he can probably get some mileage out of the dead division. I was ready to call out the lack of them not having the belts Tuesday, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s because he’s getting new ones made.
    I would have never even though of what they did. Simply because Daniel Bryan deserves more than a random tag-team title run with Erick Rowan. There's no story there. And look where it put them...on the damn pre-show. Again, you have the top heel on SD, arguably the best wrestler on the entire brand, maybe even the entire company, and he's on the fucking pre-show with the shitty Wyatt member........

    I mean, maybe Bray will show up and remind us that they were in the Wyatt Family together. Maybe Bryan and Rowan used to have intellectual convos out on the Wyatt compound, idk.

    All in all, it's just not something I feel is worth a damn. Rowan will never be anything. I tried to think, well this could be like HBK and Diesel as tag-team champs where it made no sense except to further their break up. But those were 2 top singles guys. Here we have the GOAT himself, and then there's Rowan....He sucks.

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    It's Drew's time. Have him get the case and push him now.

    You could even have him defend the case against Braun but actually beat him clean with no Lashley or Corbin shit. Imagine what that could do for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I would have never even though of what they did. Simply because Daniel Bryan deserves more than a random tag-team title run with Erick Rowan. There's no story there. And look where it put them...on the damn pre-show. Again, you have the top heel on SD, arguably the best wrestler on the entire brand, maybe even the entire company, and he's on the fucking pre-show with the shitty Wyatt member........

    I mean, maybe Bray will show up and remind us that they were in the Wyatt Family together. Maybe Bryan and Rowan used to have intellectual convos out on the Wyatt compound, idk.

    All in all, it's just not something I feel is worth a damn. Rowan will never be anything. I tried to think, well this could be like HBK and Diesel as tag-team champs where it made no sense except to further their break up. But those were 2 top singles guys. Here we have the GOAT himself, and then there's Rowan....He sucks.
    Time is extra tight now because of this stupid wild card. He’s too good to not be on TV but he could get lost in the shuffle if there wasn’t a purpose and the belts create that purpose. If anything, he’s got a chance to elevate something that was on life support and he will be given the chance to do so. The pairing of them together isn’t without story, as well.

    The simple answer as to why there’s no story is because he just came back when things were already in motion. No one is questioning Rowan because everyone has him labeled appropriately at this point. It’s about Bryan. If you give Nakamura and Rusev the belts, it’s probably pointless and we have doubt that something credibly will be done with Bryan. Nothing we’ve seen to this point suggests he will be pointless.

    The Usos make it weird because they’ve been bickering with The Revival more than with Bryan and Rowan.

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    Calling it, Drew and Mandy. It's generally better when heels win and there's anticipation and false teases of cashing it in unless they completely botch it like with Corbin and Carmella (she did win unlike Corbin but she was so the wrong choice.

    My two joint favourite cash-ins are Edge on Cena and Ziggler on Del Rio.

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    I still love RVD calling his shot against Cena.

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    Better than calling his shot Dave, as I would have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    It's Drew's time. Have him get the case and push him now.

    You could even have him defend the case against Braun but actually beat him clean with no Lashley or Corbin shit. Imagine what that could do for him.
    Oh please gawd no.

    I'm rooting for Ricochet, Andrade, or Ali but I suspect it'll be Drew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Oh please gawd no.

    I'm rooting for Ricochet, Andrade, or Ali but I suspect it'll be Drew.
    Ricochet and Ali are there for the crazy spots. Andrade's getting there but not quite there yet.

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    It's been announced that Alexa Bliss is not medically cleared to complete and will be replaced.

    I would assume by Nikki Cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I hate hate hate Bryan and Rowan as a tag-team let alone tag-team champions. The fact you have Daniel Bryan on the pre-show in a inter-promotional tag-team match is odd. The most over fucking heel on the brand, he's in a tag-team with dead weight aka Rowan, on the pre-show.....the fuck?
    I like Bryan and Rowan as a team and have no problem with them as champs. If they weren't going to put Bryan in the main event, then this is a good consolation. It gives Bryan another platform to espouse his Eco rhetoric. Rowan has improved allot in the ring and become fairly reliable, so good on him for getting another run.

    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Time is extra tight now because of this stupid wild card. He’s too good to not be on TV but he could get lost in the shuffle if there wasn’t a purpose and the belts create that purpose. If anything, he’s got a chance to elevate something that was on life support and he will be given the chance to do so. The pairing of them together isn’t without story, as well.

    The simple answer as to why there’s no story is because he just came back when things were already in motion. No one is questioning Rowan because everyone has him labeled appropriately at this point. It’s about Bryan. If you give Nakamura and Rusev the belts, it’s probably pointless and we have doubt that something credibly will be done with Bryan. Nothing we’ve seen to this point suggests he will be pointless.

    The Usos make it weird because they’ve been bickering with The Revival more than with Bryan and Rowan.
    This. With the division as empty as it, better to put it on someone who's incredibly over. I agree it's a bit early to assume they have no plans for Bryan and Rowan. The wildcard rule can allow one Tag Team to cross over, so they could feud with anyone.

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    I just think this all sounds like when Shawn Michaels tried to explain one of the reasons him and Diesel won the tag-team titles in 1994 from the Headshrinkers at a random house show. He said that he wanted to revive the tag division the same way he and Razor revived the IC division with their feud. But the truth is, that title win was simply to further the break up between Shawn and Diesel. I don't think the WWE have the same idea here, I don't think they're looking at Rowan as their next big World championship star.

    If we're just going, "well it's better than nothing" I guess I'll subscribe to that mentality. But if people can't look at Daniel Bryan v. Finn Balor as a better option than randomly throwing tag-team titles on 2 guys who don't need them and won't do anything to better the entire division, then I don't know what to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I just think this all sounds like when Shawn Michaels tried to explain one of the reasons him and Diesel won the tag-team titles in 1994 from the Headshrinkers at a random house show. He said that he wanted to revive the tag division the same way he and Razor revived the IC division with their feud. But the truth is, that title win was simply to further the break up between Shawn and Diesel. I don't think the WWE have the same idea here, I don't think they're looking at Rowan as their next big World championship star.

    If we're just going, "well it's better than nothing" I guess I'll subscribe to that mentality. But if people can't look at Daniel Bryan v. Finn Balor as a better option than randomly throwing tag-team titles on 2 guys who don't need them and won't do anything to better the entire division, then I don't know what to say.
    What is your next option if Finn and Andrade continue after MITB for the IC title?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    What is your next option if Finn and Andrade continue after MITB for the IC title?
    I'm saying I would have booked Finn v. Bryan regardless. Fucking stupid ass superstar shake up. For all we know that would have been the program had the WWE not turned all corny about people in relationships should be on the same brand!! Yeah let's fuck up creative plans because fuck buddies want to be on the same brands lol.

    Which makes you understand Bryan/Rowan=tag-team champions was just some thrown together shit. Seriously, who are they going to feud with? I can't wait to see these 2 feud with Heavy Machinery!! Said abso-fucking-lutely nobody lol. God damn, imagine Hulk Hogan winning the tag-team titles in WCW during the peak of his heel run. His partner is Horace Hogan, and WCW's only teams to feud with would be Public Enemy, High Voltage, and the Faces of Fear. And they only wrestle on Saturday Night on TBS lol.

    How about Daniel Bryan v. Roman? Daniel Bryan v. Broken Matt Hardy??? How about Daniel Bryan v. Ali? How about Daniel Bryan v. Bray Wyatt pt2? How about you just keep him in the World title mix until after you get some direction on where you want to go with the brand instead of randomly throwing him in a tag title situation with no real opponents to challenge.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I'm saying I would have booked Finn v. Bryan regardless. Fucking stupid ass superstar shake up. For all we know that would have been the program had the WWE not turned all corny about people in relationships should be on the same brand!! Yeah let's fuck up creative plans because fuck buddies want to be on the same brands lol.

    Which makes you understand Bryan/Rowan=tag-team champions was just some thrown together shit. Seriously, who are they going to feud with? I can't wait to see these 2 feud with Heavy Machinery!! Said abso-fucking-lutely nobody lol. God damn, imagine Hulk Hogan winning the tag-team titles in WCW during the peak of his heel run. His partner is Horace Hogan, and WCW's only teams to feud with would be Public Enemy, High Voltage, and the Faces of Fear. And they only wrestle on Saturday Night on TBS lol.

    How about Daniel Bryan v. Roman? Daniel Bryan v. Broken Matt Hardy??? How about Daniel Bryan v. Ali? How about Daniel Bryan v. Bray Wyatt pt2? How about you just keep him in the World title mix until after you get some direction on where you want to go with the brand instead of randomly throwing him in a tag title situation with no real opponents to challenge.......
    I don’t really see an issue with what their doing based the question I asked because it’s open to the possibility of building Andrade. Like I mentioned yesterday, based on the issue of the landscape now, time is tight for people to get on TV. The midcard is pretty much dead now. If that’s the case and Bryan returned midstream and they had to abandon what they were planning to do because he was in limbo, you’ve got to move on. If you’re moving on, the next step is figuring out what to do next. This keeps him relevant and has the chance to make multiple things better at once. It’s low risk and has the chance to fix a big blemish. It’s not like he’s going to be stuck in the tag division.

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    Yeah I'm not really that bothered about Bryan being in the midcard for a bit to freshen things up at the top. I look forward to seeing what Team Planet can do. Bryan is established enough to be inserted back into the title mix at any time.

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    I'm still waiting on where the silver lining is with Bryan as tag-team champion....So far I've yet to hear a single possible feud, any storyline, is the idea here people just want Bryan to hold up another weed belt and cut Capt Planet promos? He could do that without a tag-team title. So where are the positives here? What team is going to benefit from this? Because we ran through the teams on Smackdown and holy fuck....If you guys think this is a positive let's here SOMETHING as to why it is....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Yeah I'm not really that bothered about Bryan being in the midcard for a bit to freshen things up at the top. I look forward to seeing what Team Planet can do. Bryan is established enough to be inserted back into the title mix at any time.
    They need to get Bryan some Planeteers, asap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I'm still waiting on where the silver lining is with Bryan as tag-team champion....So far I've yet to hear a single possible feud, any storyline, is the idea here people just want Bryan to hold up another weed belt and cut Capt Planet promos? He could do that without a tag-team title. So where are the positives here? What team is going to benefit from this? Because we ran through the teams on Smackdown and holy fuck....If you guys think this is a positive let's here SOMETHING as to why it is....
    We all know how hard it is to change your mind..... Joking of course lol.

    Losing the Usos and the Bar really hit the SD tag division, they also have Rusev/Nakamura really need some good face teams to build up. No denying that. While it may seem like a step down for Bryan, the silver lining for me is at least the belts are in the hands of a team where one half is established and can only benefit the teams that they do work with. Bryan and Rowan have prior history so it's not totally random and I've enjoyed their work so far and Rowan can only benefit more.

    While Heavy Machinery aren't my favourite tag team, they are a physical threat who can stand up to Rowan and they can only benefit from working with Bryan. Also the belts will also not be forgotten about and will only benefit those who do beat Team Planet.

    The division definitely needs more faces though but we'll wait and see. If you build it they will come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    They need to get Bryan some Planeteers, asap
    Yes definitely!

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    Ok so basically there is no upside other than the fact 1 dude is the most over guy in the last 15 years so people ASSUME the division will benefit solely based on that?

    The fact anyone could, with a straight face, think Daniel Bryan being in a tag-team feud against Heavy Machinery is a positive in any way shape or form is beyond me.

    I mean, someone could change my mind about this but how? Simply going "Well, it's Daniel Bryan he can make it work!" How? He doesn't have the people to work with to make it matter! That's why back in 1994 they didn't even have Shawn and Diesel feud with anyone while they were champs because nobody was going to buy into the Headshrinkers v. Diesel/Shawn or the Beverly Brothers v. Diesel/Shawn. Just like now, who's going to look @ Daniel Bryan fresh off the best heel run of his career, 6 months as World champ, marquee match at Mania...

    And he's about to feud with The Colons.

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    You need a compelling character in order to make something happen. That’s the foundation of anything. Once that happens, it’s on your creative to create something off that. In a lot of ways, that first step is the hardest part. They have that with Bryan. Now it’s on them to make the rest evolve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    You need a compelling character in order to make something happen. That’s the foundation of anything. Once that happens, it’s on your creative to create something off that. In a lot of ways, that first step is the hardest part. They have that with Bryan. Now it’s on them to make the rest evolve.
    How? Fantasy Book with me. If you're on creative, and you have the tag-teams you have currently, what do you do with Bryan and Rowan to back up they could make the tag-team division better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Ok so basically there is no upside other than the fact 1 dude is the most over guy in the last 15 years so people ASSUME the division will benefit solely based on that?

    The fact anyone could, with a straight face, think Daniel Bryan being in a tag-team feud against Heavy Machinery is a positive in any way shape or form is beyond me.

    I mean, someone could change my mind about this but how? Simply going "Well, it's Daniel Bryan he can make it work!" How? He doesn't have the people to work with to make it matter! That's why back in 1994 they didn't even have Shawn and Diesel feud with anyone while they were champs because nobody was going to buy into the Headshrinkers v. Diesel/Shawn or the Beverly Brothers v. Diesel/Shawn. Just like now, who's going to look @ Daniel Bryan fresh off the best heel run of his career, 6 months as World champ, marquee match at Mania...

    And he's about to feud with The Colons.
    Well like you said to me about the women's tag division, don't be such an impatient child.

    BG is right, they have something with Bryan to build on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    How? Fantasy Book with me. If you're on creative, and you have the tag-teams you have currently, what do you do with Bryan and Rowan to back up they could make the tag-team division better?
    Bryan in the tag division isn’t a long-term thing. If it is, there’s another can of worms to unpack there.

    To me, I think you’re looking at this as a long term issue when they’re clearly not looking at that any more. The goal here, to me, is to make 1-2 more teams relevant because you’re just bridging the gap until two big guys return. The two teams you’d like to probably get over are Heavy Machinery and if you’re really feeling frisky, The B Team. They already teased Heavy Machinery so that’s built up after MITB. If you get a floundering-but-still-new tag team over, even if they lose, that’s a win to me. Bryan and Rowan (to a much lower extent in the build but a bigger extent in the ring) can help with that.

    They just have to bridge bridge the gap until Big E is back and/or Jeff is ready. You’ve got two face teams in limbo because of that and they don’t care about their existing heel teams so make one that matters and then hope to get another face team built in the meantime. Then when one or both of those limbo teams are back, you’re back to being okay, your on ice team of Rusev and Nakamura can resume working, you can make random heel tag teams, and Bryan can go back to a refreshed title picture (whether it’s IC or WWE title).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Well like you said to me about the women's tag division, don't be such an impatient child.

    BG is right, they have something with Bryan to build on.
    I wasn't aware that the Smackdown tag-team titles were just created 2 months ago

    All BG said was basically that they took the top guy and put him in the tag-team title picture=success.

    I want this to work since we're already in it, but my doubts are heavily outweighing any positive thought I could have. Sacrificing your top guy, putting him in a division we know the main man hates, makes zero sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    To me, I think you’re looking at this as a long term issue when they’re clearly not looking at that any more. The goal here, to me, is to make 1-2 more teams relevant because you’re just bridging the gap until two big guys return. The two teams you’d like to probably get over are Heavy Machinery and if you’re really feeling frisky, The B Team. They already teased Heavy Machinery so that’s built up after MITB. If you get a floundering-but-still-new tag team over, even if they lose, that’s a win to me. Bryan and Rowan (to a much lower extent in the build but a bigger extent in the ring) can help with that.

    They just have to bridge bridge the gap until Big E is back and/or Jeff is ready. You’ve got two face teams in limbo because of that and they don’t care about their existing heel teams so make one that matters and then hope to get another face team built in the meantime. Then when one or both of those limbo teams are back, you’re back to being okay, your on ice team of Rusev and Nakamura can resume working, you can make random heel tag teams, and Bryan can go back to a refreshed title picture (whether it’s IC or WWE title).
    Oh so they're CLEARLY looking at this as a short term issue? Based on what exactly? What have you seen in 2 weeks that CLEARLY shows this?

    Big E and Jeff aren't coming back until early next year at the earliest, that's not exactly short term.

    I think for me, Smackdown's tag scene was so hot that now it's so fucking pathetic I can't even imagine the idea of Heavy Machinery as a top team lol. They suck. Every team on Smackdown sucks right now.

    Let's just all agree this was not well thought out. We can sit here and go "Oh well they could create a new heel team and they could do this" They're not going to do any of that. More than likely Vince doesn't want Bryan to outshine the Big Dog and since he can't influence the doctors to keep Bryan from being cleared like they did before, they'll just bury him in the dying division that is Smackdown Live's tag-division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Oh so they're CLEARLY looking at this as a short term issue? Based on what exactly? What have you seen in 2 weeks that CLEARLY shows this?

    Big E and Jeff aren't coming back until early next year at the earliest, that's not exactly short term.

    I think for me, Smackdown's tag scene was so hot that now it's so fucking pathetic I can't even imagine the idea of Heavy Machinery as a top team lol. They suck. Every team on Smackdown sucks right now.

    Let's just all agree this was not well thought out. We can sit here and go "Oh well they could create a new heel team and they could do this" They're not going to do any of that. More than likely Vince doesn't want Bryan to outshine the Big Dog and since he can't influence the doctors to keep Bryan from being cleared like they did before, they'll just bury him in the dying division that is Smackdown Live's tag-division.
    Their two anchors or two viable options are on the shelf. That means they have to bridge the gap until then. Nothing being booked now represents long-term thinking. I’d love to hear your suggestion as to how it is showing that.

    I didn’t say HM would be a top team. I just said they would be elevated, as long as they’re booked well. That’s the goal.

    Just to be clear, according to all reports, E had a torn meniscus....which is basically a two-month rehab. So again, my thought process still can play out.

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    Nikki Cross is officially in for Alexa (I sneezed and got another concussion) Bliss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Nothing being booked now represents long-term thinking. I’d love to hear your suggestion as to how it is showing that.

    Just to be clear, according to all reports, E had a torn meniscus....which is basically a two-month rehab.
    Shit I thought it was his ACL.

    Nothing being booked now shows me anything other than they don't know what the plan is. Long term or short. I'm not the one saying it's CLEARLY a short term booking plan. IMHO, Daniel Bryan should not be in this situation at all. And we don't know how long he'll be in it. The lack of depth shows that he could be there for awhile.

    I've said from the jump this was stupid. It could last for a month, 19 months, it's dumb as hell and I don't need patience to know how the WWE works. Especially with random tag-team booking.

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    Yeah E's not gonna be out that long. He even joked about being out until 2022 and needing go-go gadget legs. He'll be back soon. When he comes back, him and Woods will be a boost at least.

    I'm half glass full when it comes to Bryan. He's had amazing matches and feud at the top like with HHH and Kofi so I can live without him being in the main event for a while and see what Kofi does with others. Plus him giving back to help others in a different role for a while is intriguing.

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