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    WWE Monday Night RAW (Jeff Jarrett vs. Elias) February 4th, 2019




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    JEFF JARRETT VS ELIAS



    Can the former NWA and WCW champion best the young lion? Or will Elias drop one of his greatest hits?





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    WHEN THE MAN COMES AROUND



    Becky Lynch has been invited to RAW by Stephanie McMahon. Will either of them regret this decision?





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    LASHLEY VS BALOR



    Last week, Lashley jumped a wounded and unprepared Balor who was fresh off a mauling by the Beast Brock Lesnar. Now that Balor has time to heal and prepare, can Finn best the bully?





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    KURT ANGLE ADDRESSES HIS FUTURE



    After a devastating loss to Baron Corbin, Kurt Angle has something to say to the WWE Universe. Is it a retirement speech?





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    SASHA/BAYLEY VS. ALICIA FOX & NIKKI CROSS



    Can Sasha & Bayley realized their dream of entering the Ewomenation Chamber, or will the wildest cards in the tournament pull a massive upset?





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    Jeff Fucking Jarett....Jesus Christ. I'd rather see Mojo Rawley stay hyped.

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    Same here. I almost forgot about his segment from last week. I get that sometimes they've got nothinig for people but a one-off at the Rumble would've been enough. Not like WWE has ever beat the dead horse before. Don't we have a poster on here called dead horse? If not we should.

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    Becky and steph could be the next stone cold and vince

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    First we got Stephanie/Ronda, now we have to get Stephanie/Becky.

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    Stone cold becky and steph as vince

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    Will becky do the same thing rollins did 2 years ago and do the contract with wwe has no responsibility if she gets hurt

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    Makes sense with 2 months until Mania. Still don't really trust in WWE not to have Rousey win the match with the crowd shitting on it to end the show.

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    Ronda vs. Ruby Riott @ Elimination Chamber?

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    Meet the jobbers of RAW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    Ronda vs. Ruby Riott @ Elimination Chamber?
    Didn't Ronda already beat Ruby easily on RAW? I seem to remember them jobbing Ruby out to someone, but maybe that was on Smackdown. That doesn't mean they can't do a title match. I'm sure most fans would have forgotten it by now.

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    angle has to have a WM match

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    If anyone could make Father Time tap out, it's Kurt Angle.

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    Again ratings killing corbin on tv

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    Stowman/angle vs Corbin/drew?

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    Dolph & Kurt vs. Boring and Drew?

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    Called it lol

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    Fuck Stephanie. She can't be trusted to do anything right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Didn't Ronda already beat Ruby easily on RAW? I seem to remember them jobbing Ruby out to someone, but maybe that was on Smackdown. That doesn't mean they can't do a title match. I'm sure most fans would have forgotten it by now.
    I mean, if Ronda fights someone at EC, it has to be someone not in the chamber...
    Nia, Sasha and Bayley are all in the chamber...

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    So Raw and Smackdown will be at the same arena in Canada the week AFTER Mania. They got a commercial during Raw tonight that advertised an international superstar shakeup.

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    I wanted double J to do the stroke

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    I wanted double J to do the stroke
    I want Elias to start doing the stroke as one of his signature moves...

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    Is this a joke Finn vs urckel?

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    Do my ears deceive me or is Bobby talking again? It's about time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    I mean, if Ronda fights someone at EC, it has to be someone not in the chamber...
    Nia, Sasha and Bayley are all in the chamber...
    True. There aren't many options. Ember's injured, so we can rule her out.

    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    I wanted double J to do the stroke
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    I want Elias to start doing the stroke as one of his signature moves...
    EC3 was using the move, or a variation of it, in TNA. No idea if that's still going to be his Finisher. We all know how WWE is about wrestlers using the same moves.

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    They're having someone interrupt EC3 so he can't talk just like they did with AJ when he first came in.

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    EC3 is either selling his left arm/shoulder/pec really good or he royally fucked it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Is this a joke Finn vs urckel?

    No, it's the return of midget wrestling.

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    TNA's stealth invasion of WWE continues, with Jeff Jarrett and EC3 joining Angle, Lashley, Hardys, Joe, AJ, Roode, Eric Young, Rhino, etc...

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    Another .Mojo Rawley vignette.

    Cant wait for the big reveal. Intriguing stuff.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    TNA's stealth invasion of WWE continues, with Jeff Jarrett and EC3 joining Angle, Lashley, Hardys, Joe, AJ, Roode, Eric Young, Rhino, etc...
    Abyss, Sonjay...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Another .Mojo Rawley vignette.

    Cant wait for the big reveal. Intriguing stuff.

    As long as he comes back hype I'll be happy.

    Mojo is going to make a ton of money for WWE one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    As long as he comes back hype I'll be happy.

    Mojo is going to make a ton of money for WWE one day.
    They'll have to go back to wrestling like in the Golden Era for that to happen.

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    Missed the Mojo Rawley appearance. If someone finds a video, do post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    TNA's stealth invasion of WWE continues, with Jeff Jarrett and EC3 joining Angle, Lashley, Hardys, Joe, AJ, Roode, Eric Young, Rhino, etc...
    Sounds like the makings of a pretty good stable

    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    As long as he comes back hype I'll be happy.

    Mojo is going to make a ton of money for WWE one day.
    I really hope these vignettes go somewhere. WWE has to start delivering when they build someone up like this. I wonder...with the rumor that Lars Sullivan's debut was postponed due to panic attacks, did Mojo get his spot? The timing seems pretty convenient

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    Someone is taking Ambrose off the leash before he leaves.

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    If Becky is being compared to Austin, it's a very weak imitation. Becky will never have the Austin level bad assery.

    Then again Austin wouldn't work in today's world.

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    Happy to see Strowman in a program with Angle against Corbon and McIntyre. It makes my heart warm.

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    EC3 is going to flop. How can anyone cheer the guy? He's an obvious heel.

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    Just at the part of A Moment of Bliss, and here's my thoughts:

    I enjoy Alexa's theme song.
    I enjoy EC3's entrance.
    Nia Jax is terrible.
    I'm amazed Tamina is still around.
    Dean Ambrose, as much as I dislike him, will be missed. I think partly because "Where's EC1 and EC2" sounds like something I'd say.

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    I should probably watch this live huh

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    Ambrose has been on fire the last two weeks on the mic. You wonder why they didn't let him do this all the time. Such a shame.

    It's sad seeing him lose in 3 minutes to a new comer. Also, people know he's leaving so does beating him really do anyone any good?

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    Good on Heavy Machinery getting two No. 1 Contender matches within a week after winning against The Ascension. This four-way match was a rehash of Smackdown last week but it was beyond obvious that Raw is trying to make more with less in terms of the tag division. They need to really look to revamp that division with the shakeup.

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    Still trying to figure out why the NXT call ups are appearing on both shows and get to pick which show they want to be on? And why does it make sense for Heavy Machinery to lose one contender's match only to get another one the following week?

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    I am glad that I fell asleep early. From the few "highlight" clips this seemed like a disappointing Raw all around.

    Steph "suspending" Becky is lazy writing and I think it hurts Steph's character. Steph is supposed to be smarter, and to be doing what's best for business.

    Road Dogg still can deliver on the mic, but he doesn't belong in the ring anymore. I never found Jeff Jarrett remotely entertaining years ago, so while I respect what he's done, and I will grant that he moves better in the ring than many his age, it kind of reminds me of the last year of Flair's run, with the saggy man boobs. While Elias is now supposedly a heel, I am glad he can still do what got him over - rip on the local area. Portland is not good enough to have an NFL team.... While Elias got the win, I am fearing that this JJ/Dogg stuff will drag on a few more weeks.

    Who did Balor piss off to be saddled with Rush?

    The Raw tag division is in complete shambles.

    Bliss is entertaining but she shouldn't be drooling over EC3 - she has unfinished work with Braun. I liked her little shot at Mickie - hope it leads to something

    I didn't find Nia as annoying as usual, until she dropped the "you know what?" line - which brings back terrible Brie Bella memories - but at least Brie is hot. Dean was the best part of that segment. He knows he's being buried on the way out, but he will still steal the show anyway.

    In the main event, Braun got dq'd for not being the legal man and making contact with the legal man. If that's a rule, why was Drew permitted to break up the pin attempt a few moments earlier?


    At least next week we get to see Brooke/Nattie.
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    Still trying to figure out why the NXT call ups are appearing on both shows and get to pick which show they want to be on? And why does it make sense for Heavy Machinery to lose one contender's match only to get another one the following week?
    It's the New WWE.

    Im hoping Angle's retirement Angle ends with a retirement soon. He's slower than Andre was wrestling Jake with the snake at this point.

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    If you told me 20 years ago I'd be seeing Kurt Angle and Jeff Jarrett wrestling on RAW, I'd have laughed. Partly because I wouldn't have known who Kurt Angle was since he debuted in November 1999, and also because Jeff Jarrett was nothing more than a midcarder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    I'm intrigued by this. I mean I doubt it's going to amount to much because of him being limited in-ring, but his character should be to change what he's doing every 2-3 months and just have new vignettes and make an appearance or two and disappear again. I can't wait for Mojo Rawley, Life insurance scammer.

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    "Will you go see a doctor?"
    "Noooo!"
    "You're suspended!"

    Just as cringey as when Vince decided to kayfabe suspend Reigns before his Mania match with Brock.

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    Hope she stays suspended. Much rather see anyone else face Ronda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    "Will you go see a doctor?"
    "Noooo!"
    "You're suspended!"

    Just as cringey as when Vince decided to kayfabe suspend Reigns before his Mania match with Brock.
    I mean technically she should get suspended. I don't see the issue with it. The only issue I see storyline wise is Becky not being able to understand the point Stephanie was trying to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I mean technically she should get suspended. I don't see the issue with it. The only issue I see storyline wise is Becky not being able to understand the point Stephanie was trying to make.
    Therein lies my main issue, made Becky look a bit stupid rather than tough.

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    A majority of the women's roster don't look tough or haven't been booked to be tough. Having people lose frequently does nothing for their characters. If you really want to build Becky up as tough, after years of fighting and losing to people like Carmella, the IIconics, etc. etc., then just simply calling her "The Man" isn't going to do it. She shouldn't have been put in a championship match against Asuka to lose. They should have had someone like Nia or Carmella or anyone really face Asuka and take the loss. Becky should have entered the Royal Rumble as #1 - #10 and eliminated some big names like Bayley, Charlotte, Sasha Banks, and Dana Brooke along the way. I don't know about you, but the only time I thought that Becky would look good against Ronda is when she was a bloody mess, however concussions derailed that and here we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    A majority of the women's roster don't look tough or haven't been booked to be tough. Having people lose frequently does nothing for their characters. If you really want to build Becky up as tough, after years of fighting and losing to people like Carmella, the IIconics, etc. etc., then just simply calling her "The Man" isn't going to do it. She shouldn't have been put in a championship match against Asuka to lose. They should have had someone like Nia or Carmella or anyone really face Asuka and take the loss. Becky should have entered the Royal Rumble as #1 - #10 and eliminated some big names like Bayley, Charlotte, Sasha Banks, and Dana Brooke along the way. I don't know about you, but the only time I thought that Becky would look good against Ronda is when she was a bloody mess, however concussions derailed that and here we are.
    Agreed. They've been leaning into the sympathy/underdog route a bit heavily with Becky.

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    I still don't know what the real appeal is with Becky to be honest. I am trying to like her as much as everyone else but I don't have much of a reason to. Her basically entering the rumble at number 30 doesn't make me like her any more that i did before the rumble. Her choosing Rousey instead of the person that made her tap isn't very endearing either. I will cheer her over Rousey but that's by default.

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    I'd agree with a lot of that, but I wouldn't exactly call Dana Brooke a big name. The bigger problem is that there are too many ladies on the roster that aren't ready and/or have nothing to do that can help them develop a character.

    Becky got herself massively over despite two years of terrible booking. Asuka had everything pulled out from under her after she jobbed to Charlotte and Carmella, then she did nothing for 6 months, but she somehow remained over despite terrible booking.

    Sasha has been wasted with her on/off feud/friendship with Bayley - who is very over-rated in the ring, and average at best on the mic.

    Ember Moon getting hurt is just a shame.

    Charlotte is so much better than almost everyone else, but she knows in order for a division to truly succeed, they have to have believeable challengers. The shame is that she is capable of doing so much more than she's being asked to do in the ring.

    I'd like to see her interact more outside the ring with some of her challengers, to help give us a reason to care about some of these other roster ladies.

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    I know, I threw Dana Brooke in there as a joke. She is still my favorite woman's wrestler, but I realize she's leagues below a majority of them.

    I'm kinda hoping they pull a Roman/Lesnar on us, where everyone is assuming Becky will win and then have Ronda win.

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    I'm really confused by Lio Rush hate in here.

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    Lio Rush is magnificent. I really enjoyed his match with Finn Balor. I only can imagine the hate has to do with his yelling "Lashley! Lashley! Lashley" which is deemed annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Therein lies my main issue, made Becky look a bit stupid rather than tough.
    I don't think it made her stupid. I think it exposed her paranoia or insecurities.

    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I still don't know what the real appeal is with Becky to be honest. I am trying to like her as much as everyone else but I don't have much of a reason to. Her basically entering the rumble at number 30 doesn't make me like her any more that i did before the rumble. Her choosing Rousey instead of the person that made her tap isn't very endearing either. I will cheer her over Rousey but that's by default.
    I think it's somewhat based on the fact she's been overlooked to some extent after she won the championship on Smackdown. She lost it to Bliss and was kind out of out of the picture after that. Different priorities were set and she just had to make due. I think the fans felt that was a disservice to her and stood up for her. What I will say is that since the first few weeks after Summerslam, I'm not really sure they've done a lot to really add to her appeal on TV. I don't think they've necessarily hurt the appeal in a large quantity but the idea of making her more appealing hasn't been present.
    Last edited by BGMaverick; February 5th, 2019 at 3:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I don't think it made her stupid. I think it exposed her paranoia or insecurities.
    It would be nice to see them book her as more confident leading up to Mania though. Still think they're slightly tugging on the heart strings here. I think Becky and Rousey could be booked in a better direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    It would be nice to see them book her as more confident leading up to Mania though. Still think they're slightly tugging on the heart strings here. I think Becky and Rousey could be booked in a better direction.
    I think last night was Stephanie was weird but I think she's looked more than confident when she's verbally talked about Ronda or been face to face with her. She was smirking whenever Ronda talked last week, so that came across in terms of confidence. She knows she can beat Ronda, but she's suspicious that people are going to get in the way of that opportunity.

    Whether it's seen as stupidity, insecurity, or paranoia, last night didn't necessarily help the presence of Becky as well as it should have. They need to spin it towards more defiance and unwilling to be denied by the challenges set up in front of her. That's clearly not going to happen in the short term because this injury angle is what they're going with, but being defiant and confident could be her hooks when it eventually becomes a triple threat.
    Last edited by BGMaverick; February 5th, 2019 at 3:24 PM.

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    Agree they could book it better. The build so far has been fine. Them pulling back a little to pace things up to Wrestlemania is fine also. Still got two PPVs to get through and I don't think you really need more than four more weeks to build the intensity up to get to the show. They'll be alright.

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    Stephanie: Are you going to see a doctor?

    Becky: Hell no I'm not going to see a doctor!

    And then had Becky tackle Stephanie to the ground and throw some punches. Once security gets her off, have Stephanie get on the microphone and say "You're suspended indefinitely!"

    Would have worked better instead of Becky just shaking her head no.

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    and of course we have to get the intergender nonsense with Becky beating up a bunch of men for no reason

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    Of course Steph has to look good and no-nonsense too. No Becky beating for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I'm really confused by Lio Rush hate in here.
    Lio Rush is GOLD. Love him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I think it's somewhat based on the fact she's been overlooked to some extent after she won the championship on Smackdown. She lost it to Bliss and was kind out of out of the picture after that. Different priorities were set and she just had to make due. I think the fans felt that was a disservice to her and stood up for her. What I will say is that since the first few weeks after Summerslam, I'm not really sure they've done a lot to really add to her appeal on TV. I don't think they've necessarily hurt the appeal in a large quantity but the idea of making her more appealing hasn't been present.
    I agree that they haven't hurt Becky. Unfortunately, most of what they've done is by the numbers. Her segments aren't must see as she mostly repeats the same things every week. There's also a disconnect between what she posts on twitter and what she says on TV. It feels like she reading from a script.

    In comparison,
    look at what Daniel Bryan's been doing. He's gone above and beyond what was expected of him with this heel run. You know allot of what he's saying comes from his own personal feelings. I have no idea what Bryan will do from week to week, so I look forward to it.

    I think there's a better character WWE could be developing with Becky, but they clearly have a path they want her to follow. I've been a fan of her since 2015, so I hope that she can carve out her own legacy and not be remembered as the female Steve Austin.


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    I know wrestlemania is months away but we need to take you out of the match now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    and of course we have to get the intergender nonsense with Becky beating up a bunch of men for no reason
    Just 'empowering' women and attempting to catch up with 25 years of Hollywood social engineeering......

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Lio Rush is GOLD. Love him.

    Yes, because .Lashley was SO good without Lio.

    More not managers or whatever you call them. Now!

    and some factions to please while they're at it...
    Because what do big bullies do? Form gangs...

    gangs beat up and intimidate helpless heroes.

    Its always worked in wrestling.

    a lot better than this nonsense they do every week with random strangers suddenly becoming bff's for a few weeks then Becoming strangers again who never cross pathes in the locker room and act like they never knew each other after being out in the ring acting like a team.

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    Your wavering sarcasm makes it hard to know which of your points are sincere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Your wavering sarcasm makes it hard to know which of your points are sincere.
    I'm still trying to figure out what it's to do with Lio.

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