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    Has to be a new player. No way a veteran revives Virm with no info. Right?

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    Counting is hard.

    Vote Count

    6 - Virm (CWE, Psycho, kdestiny, Pablo, Kev, Grim)
    4 - HHH (Badger, Cewsh, Kotre, Knee)
    3 - Cewsh (HHH, Kev, Stan)

    It will take 9 to reach a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    Has to be a new player. No way a veteran revives Virm with no info. Right?
    Forgive me for asking but could you elaborate on who is new? I know I'm new and this is only my second game but I've had zero interaction with virm here either sticking up for him or condemning him. wardy's new but he's dead. Was Jarrod new? But he's scum and dead also. I think most of everyone else are veterans.

    EBWOP Is Kotre new? (could be wrong on that but don't know much about him other than debate and fiction fight but he seems to know what he's talking about so I don't think it's him).
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    As if to reinforce his newbiness, Badger goes and edits a post

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    In his defense, all he did was add the second line starting with EBWOP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Forgive me for asking but could you elaborate on who is new? I know I'm new and this is only my second game but I've had zero interaction with virm here either sticking up for him or condemning him. wardy's new but he's dead. Was Jarrod new? But he's scum and dead also. I think most of everyone else are veterans.

    EBWOP Is Kotre new? (could be wrong on that but don't know much about him other than debate and fiction fight but he seems to know what he's talking about so I don't think it's him).
    EBWOP

    EBWOP

    EBWOP

    Fuck me.

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    Wow Knee is really good at this game. We should all respect him more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    You implying that I'm Raiden and I fucked up? Virm was not on my radar either way.

    Twas a genuine question. I only know wardy and myself are new for definite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    You implying that I'm Raiden and I fucked up? Virm was not on my radar either way.

    Twas a genuine question. I only know wardy and myself are new for definite.
    No, I think he is at you editing a post.

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    Grim, JP I tried a ninja edit but it didn't work so I put an EBWOP in to try and keep with the rules. Should've put that in a new post.

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    That was for a non cleared person wanting me to out my reads. Shady as fuck.

    Hence


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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Grim, JP I tried a ninja edit but it didn't work so I put an EBWOP in to try and keep with the rules. Should've put that in a new post.
    EBWOP is literally Edit By Way Of Posting... as in you make another post to make an "edit" to your previous post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    That was for a non cleared person wanting me to out my reads. Shady as fuck.

    Hence

    Psycho doesn't have a problem with that though. He's very open with his thoughts while you're all about stats. He's way more town than you are it seems to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Psycho doesn't have a problem with that though. He's very open with his thoughts while you're all about stats. He's way more town than you are it seems to me.
    CWE is town. Almost nailed on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    EBWOP is literally Edit By Way Of Posting... as in you make another post to make an "edit" to your previous post.
    Yeah I know. It was a quick afterthought about Kotre. I should've put it in a new post, put the EBWOP to make clear it was an edit.

    I'll be more careful in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Grim, JP I tried a ninja edit but it didn't work so I put an EBWOP in to try and keep with the rules. Should've put that in a new post.


    GIN! WHERE IS MY FUCKING GIN!

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    We've all done it Badger, it's just putting in EBWOP in there is wonderful.

    It's something wardy actually did last game too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    CWE is town. Almost nailed on.
    I said earlier I don't have a spreadsheet so haven't kept up with all his activities and trackings. He seems more secretive than Psycho.

    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post


    GIN! WHERE IS MY FUCKING GIN!

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    We've all done it Badger, it's just putting in EBWOP in there is wonderful.

    It's something wardy actually did last game too.
    You're obsessed with gin mate! Gin's good, like Edinburgh and Boe gin for example. As long as you're not drinking Gordon's.

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    Badger, why are you staying on HHH when there is a 5 in 7 chance that virm is scum? You have filled the last page and a half of this thread with your usual Badgeresque postings but not actually discussed the current voting situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    Badger, why are you staying on HHH when there is a 5 in 7 chance that virm is scum? You have filled the last page and a half of this thread with your usual Badgeresque postings but not actually discussed the current voting situation.
    Mainly because I questioned him earlier and I was suddenly roleblocked. Then his assumption about Jarrod was wrong. I know the stats you people keep may not show I'm not entirely clear but I'm honestly trying to help it seemed like a weird random roleblock. I haven't voted virm because the Raiden bringing him back thing is a headscratcher. He could very well be scum and won't lose sleep if he's lynched but I'm sticking with my gut feeling on HHH.

    I'm not great at being concise and often have quick second thoughts right after I post. That's the Badgeresque way!

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    EBWOP plus I'm passionate about the game. Hope I got that right!

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    Badger, if you want to campaign for HHH, that's one thing. But you gotta look at the fact that without enough votes, no one gets lynched. If you look at the evidence provided, Virm is at least just as likely to be scum. It's basically down to virm and HHH at this point, and Virm has more steam. Let's nail one and we can consider HHH with more info instead of getting nowhere and voting neither.

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    Don't let Raiden influence your decision Badger. He had no info. Virm is the right Lynch here. Then we can get info on others tonight. We cannot have a no lynch here.

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    Okay fine. I'll buy a ticket on this train.

    Unvote

    Vote virm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I said earlier I don't have a spreadsheet so haven't kept up with all his activities and trackings.
    Who I am should be obvious. If someone wants to call me out as a liar, I will gladly unvote Virm and lead a Lynch on 100% guaranteed scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    Who I am should be obvious. If someone wants to call me out as a liar, I will gladly unvote Virm and lead a Lynch on 100% guaranteed scum.
    I'm sure I'll figure it out if I read back enough. For all the helpful info you do generally provide, I got a bit antsy when you gave me the squinty eyes after I asked you who you thought Raiden was. You seem very sure saying that about virm though so I'll roll with it.

    Raiden wasn't that great in the actual game anyway. Couple of good moves but generally slow. Liu Kang, Scorpion and Sub-Zero all the way!

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    Virm can't be Raiden. Anyone else is still possible. Despite me thinking it was a new person, anyone could have done it.

    Except me.

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    And I always preferred Killer Instant to MK.

    Jago FTW!

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    It takes 9 to lynch and we have 9 town left. Show your town hood by VOTING VIRM.

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    I've read what happened after the revival over breakfast, which I hadn't when I reposted my vote last night.

    Unvote

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    HHH is next

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    That is a lynch!

    Vote Count

    9 - Virm (CWE, Psycho, kdestiny, Pablo, Kev, Grim, Badger, Kotre, Cewsh)
    2 - Cewsh (HHH, Stan)
    1 - HHH (Knee)

    The lynch was completed at 8:14 am, less than 45 minutes before the end of the phase. That was a jam packed day.

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    Night Three

    Life was returned to him, he could not believe it. The warmth of the pool, its life giving powers flew through ever cell of his being, the elation of being brought back almost overwhelming.

    Virm could not believe his luck. Another chance to do what he needed to do.

    He saw the mob come his way and reached out for their help. He was still weak following the reformation of his body and no doubt they had been sent to aid is his rescue.

    The first blow confused him, leaving his jaw broken. The blade that next cut into his midsection left a white hot pain. Watched on in a daze as his left arm was ripped off, his right leg severed by many different blades.

    It took less than 30 seconds before Virm was killed again. He hadn’t even said a single word.

    Virm has been killed.

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    A new night, a new target. Jacqui sent her men off into the night.

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    It is now the Night Three. Please do not have any game related discussion. Those with roles active for tonight have 48 hours to PM me.

    Living Players

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    Cewsh
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    Dead Players

    BBF has entered permanent death. He was Triborg – Neutral Jester
    Wardy has entered permanent death. He was Sub-Zero - Town Vanilla
    Jarrod has entered permanent death. He was Baraka - Mafia Cannoneer
    Rip has entered permanent death. He was Bo Rai Cho - Town Day Vig
    Virm
    Last edited by JP; January 12th, 2019 at 9:03 AM.

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    You still have Rip listed as alive rather than being... well RIP

    Hope that doesn't count as game discussion.

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    By the way, mad props to JP for this game so far. A ton of detail in this one. Really enjoying it.

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    All roles in, guessing about an hour until posting.

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    Day Four

    While it wasn’t the role she had wanted, Jacqui could not question the skill of the men placed under her command. Once again they had dragged their quarry back in time that she could get an entire night’s interrogation.

    From the holding cell, Badger looked up, waiting to see what came his way.

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    It was happening again. Despite himself, Scorpion could not prevent a smile from passing over his...face? Once more he had a target and once more somebody had also had the same thought, preventing that target from doing anything that night.

    So once again, while Jax stopped Kotre in his tracks for the night, Scorpion sneaked up while the distraction he caused caught Jax’s eye and marked Kotre.

    “More, this is is good”, he though to himself while his way clear. “They will all know what I know.”

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    Another night, another reason to be afraid. Lui Kang needed another hiding spot, another person to gain his protection from, for it was clear to all he had none left to offer himself.

    Tonight, Kev would be that ward.

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    The communication he was receiving back from HQ let him know the operation was going about as well as planned. They had taken down the Tarkatan and the suicidal Lin Kuei. Stryker was very happy with how things were going.

    It was his job to try and bag them another. So once more he got to work, HHH in his sights.

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    Quite frankly, Nightwolf could not believe their luck. Two nights, only one casualty in either, that due to bad luck rather than a targeted strike.

    Hoping this seemingly divine intervention would continue, he set his healing magic onto CWE for the night.

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    As he cowered there in the dark the thought just raced round and round and round in his head, never stopping. He would never be safe, he would never have peace. His destiny was to die over and over and over. He could see it now, playing before his eyes, what had happened before and what would happen again.

    Lui Kang knew it was inevitable.

    But, the Well of Souls! Why had he not thought of this before? It would sustain him! He had no need to leave its warm embrace. Just let him lie there for eternity, one with the ancient magic. Doing nothing. Just, at peace.

    Knowing he had precious few seconds before being caught Lui Kang sprinted in the direction of the Well. Ignoring anything else around him he just ran and ran and ran until his destination was in sight. It was with such relief as each step got him closer.

    Without breaking stride he leapt feet first into the pool.

    If only Lui Kang had listened as intently during his spiritual training as he had during his physical.

    The liquid of the well, while acting as life giving mana to the newly awoken, acted as a vicious acid to the living, preventing potential misuse from tyrannical and despotic individuals.

    The pain was indescribable. Lui Kang’s body engulfed, immediately beginning to dissolve; skin, bone, blood all adding themselves into the mixture. On instinct he opened his mouth to draw breathe and scream, only to fill his lungs with the fiery liquid.

    Cewsh, nothing left, blind from his eyes melting, deaf from his ear drums being washed away, only pain remaining, prayed for the end to come quick. There was one tiny crumb of comfort in the back of his head, what was left of it. He was never coming back.

    Cewsh has entered permananet death. He was Lui Kang – Town Hider

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    It is now Day Four. You have 48 hours to come to a majority decision. With 14 players it takes 8 to reach a majority.

    Living Players

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    Stan
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    Badger
    Kangus
    Judas
    Psycho
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    Grimario

    Dead Players

    BBF has entered permanent death. He was Triborg – Neutral Jester
    Wardy has entered permanent death. He was Sub-Zero - Town Vanilla
    Jarrod has entered permanent death. He was Baraka - Mafia Cannoneer
    Rip has entered permanent death. He was Bo Rai Cho - Town Day Vig
    Cewsh has entered permananet death. He was Lui Kang – Town Hider
    Virm

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    Kotre has 1 town role available. However...

    Vote Kev

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    Don't have too much time to catch up and fill my spreadsheet right now, but I think it's obvious what happened to Cewsh.

    Vote Kev

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    Also, if no kill happened again, then I think Kotre is definitely dirty.

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    Also, Kotre's nailed on non-town. Based on my assumptions, he's either The Outsider or Scum. Still could potentially be Scorpion, but based on his language, I doubt that.

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    That's based on the fact that he talked about Raiden like he didn't know a revive was happening. So I highly doubt he's Raiden.

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    Scorpion acted and he was blocked. He's either scum or 1 town role.

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    Correction: he can't be Scorpion because Scorpion was active.

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    What CWE said.

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    I guess Badger could be the blocked scum, too, but he has two potential town roles. The one potential town role for Kotre is highly unlikely. One of the two is almost guaranteed to be scum.

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    I missed that yesterday Psycho. Kotre is nailed on scum or the Outsider.

    Block him again tonight after we off Kev please.

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    Why do we know Cewsh's role right away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    Why do we know Cewsh's role right away?
    My guess is because he died from hiding. Much like Bo Rai Cho's death, his role's mechanics prompt an immediate reveal.

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    Which lends even more to the idea that he died from hiding behind Kev, not from some kind of kill.

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    Because if Raiden resurrected Cewsh, he could confirm too easy? My guess.

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    OK.

    Vote Kev

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    There is one town role you're forgetting.

    Vote Kev

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    Signed, sealed, delivered really

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotre View Post
    There is one town role you're forgetting.

    Vote Kev
    If you're talking about Sonya, you're language concerning her around the time of the game event speaks otherwise.

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    Looks like I was right on one guy at least.

    Vote Kev

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    I don't know what's going on.

    Vote Kev seems to be the trend though.

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    Just to be clear.

    Vote Kev

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    Honestly guys, do not do that

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    I'm not quite sure why after hiding behind me he dies

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    Just so we have a little time to discuss things. I'll hammer when everyone is ready.

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    I am all for jumping on this given Cewsh' death BUT why would JP write up "Lui Kang hides behind Kev" then "Lui Kang dies"... that's a straight up mod writing "Kev is the bad guy", basically.

    The hider role is a hard one because you are meant to leave subtle clues as to who you suspect so you hide behind them, clear them and if you die, people go "oh shit, hider guy wrote this"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    The only person I’m sure of is Rip. The rest of the list goes, in order, HHH, Psycho, Knee, end of list.
    Then his last game related post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
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    Vote Virm

    HHH is next

    Are we 100% nailed on with Kev?

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    I really want to bold HHH there

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    Shang Tsung can shape shift. Any chance someone can change into other people and it not show in the write up? So Cewsh hid behind "Kev" but it was really HFR? Or some other scum.

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    Unvote.

    Just getting back from speech competition so I'm gonna take a look at things when I get settled, but the transforming angle is interesting.

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    CWE and Grim made good points. We have 48 hours and should discuss this more.

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    I've never heard of the role but it's here:

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...e=Shapeshifter

    I'd investigate me and welcome that or a roleblock or just about anything at this point to prove that I'm a force for good.

    It looks damning though as well because I have been anti-Cewsh this whole time

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    If Raiden could have revived Cewsh and he then said "I didn't target Kev".

    Makes sense why he is dead dead and not possible for revival. So if you don't go Kev for the obvious info in the write up, who? Kotre and his 1 or 2 at best town roles? Badger blocked with no Goro sighting? Any Dees on HFR, Stryker? Psycho or Grim for still being alive?




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    4 - Kev (Psycho, Judas, Kotre, Jordo)

    It takes 8 for a majority

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    Wait a second.

    Something's not right here.

    When the hider dies. We never get the poster name of who they hid behind before they ended up dying. Otherwise that just gives away a scum. This train went way too quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    I've never heard of the role but it's here:

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...e=Shapeshifter

    I'd investigate me and welcome that or a roleblock or just about anything at this point to prove that I'm a force for good.

    It looks damning though as well because I have been anti-Cewsh this whole time
    This post screams inactive godfather to me.

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    Hence my unvote Pablo.

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    I look ridiculously scummy, I just went through my old voting patterns and have been on the pro-lynch train for Cewsh for the majority of this game. Ugh.

    I don't have any info. I think I can say that safely without giving away who I am and won't be able to provide insight.

    I wonder if someone disguised themselves as me because I read fairly clean (as in, if you look at the previous write-ups, I've yet to actually be involved in any phases [perhaps my character has been though] because noone has targetted me so I look like a safe bet.)

    This is confusing, but if I was investigated, would I still flip town? even if the shapeshifter/disguiser imitated me again (it's hard to actually accumulate information on this role as everything I've googled reveals no interaction with a hider role)?

    The other thing that I don't know why noone has stated though is that Cewsh flipped as a normal town hider, not a weak town hider - from what I read in the write-up is that the hider only dies when they hide behind scum and are weak. Weak hider is a common variant but wouldn't that be specified?

    That's all according to here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hider

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    Kev might not be clean. But I think lynching him because of Cewsh dying is a mistake.

    The fact he wasn't revealed as a weak hider doesn't mean anything. We typically don't find that level of detail out until the end when JP reveals the mod notes.

    I think we need to look elsewhere.

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    And it said Rip was a vig and not a desperado. But how did he die? Or MOD is evil is how.

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    For example we need to figure out what the hell Scorpion is doing when he's marking these people.

    I thought at first maybe that it was like a poison. But knee is still alive so that seems less likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    For example we need to figure out what the hell Scorpion is doing when he's marking these people.

    I thought at first maybe that it was like a poison. But knee is still alive so that seems less likely.
    Unless he only poisons town.


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    That wouldn't make sense, He'd have to be able to get rid of scum somehow as well.

    I keep going back to the posts Grim quoted. Where Cewsh said the next one was HHH. It's possible the shape shifter is playing havoc and that's why we saw Kev.

    Just the flavour text of how Cewsh died is a very tough read.

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    Spreadsheet people, what possible town could HHH be again?

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    Survivor who wins with scum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Spreadsheet people, what possible town could HHH be again?
    At work on a smoke break. Give me 10 minutes and I'll answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Spreadsheet people, what possible town could HHH be again?
    He can be any role except Stryker unless I have completed butchered my sheet.

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    Yeah I realise that if I ask someone to investigate me and I flip town to them there's also the suspicion of being the GF, but the odds of me being that compared to being town are low.

    But apart from my voting of Cewsh I don't think my votes have been consistently allegiant to really anyone apart from wanting to rid the world of the seemingly scummy Cewsh :/

    As for me I'm torn between Badger, HHH and Kotre.

    Badger was roleblocked and there was no kill, Kotre has claimed Sonya - but HHH's also been consistently against Cewsh, his voting patterns throughout this whole thing have been suss as anything, stuck up for Jarrod earlier (after all, who wouldn't want to try and keep their canonneer's stored kills).

    Vote HHH

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    That's purely on the last night btw when he was investigated.

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    HFR - Raiden, Jax, Cassie, Sonya, Johnnie, Nigthwolf, or Jacqui.

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    Damn.

    Alright I need to think on it.

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    I'm leaning Kotre. Someone talk me out of it.

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    I am not 100% on HHH. He's definitely felt off all game, particularly on the Jarrod lynch... and if Cewsh had straight up died hiding behind a CHARACTER, I would be all over it based on those two messages. However, the death write up doesn't appear to be anything like "the hider hid behind a bad guy", so unless JP is going over the top in flavourtown, I don't know if it's as simple as that.

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    PS someone find a good Guy Fieri pic for flavourtown, plws.

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    Could Kev have a night kill as town and Cewsh didn't die because Rip was basically vanilla at night? Just speculation at this point.

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    Maybe old Badger was right when he said he was roleblocked after accusing HHH? If he killed me out of fearsurely that would be too obvious? Also I was right on him when Jarrod got revealed but I can see why you all went for virm and I did eventually join you on that. Surely that suggests I'm not blocked scum.

    Since there now could be doubt on Kev being scum now and he has just voted HHH, I'm gonna go back to whatI've been saying all along.

    Vote HHH

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    Alright, I've read up on all the posts this phase so far. So Kev could definitely be a red herring. If we don't lynch Kev, I think Kotre is the right hit. By saying there's one more town role he could be, he's basically admitting that he's not Raiden or The Outsider. I'm gonna thoroughly read the write-up, double check my spreadsheet, and scour over Kotre's posts to see what I can deduce about who he can and can't be. Badger's up there as likely scum as well, and if Cewsh actually hid behind HFR, then that's probably a good hit. At the exact moment, the order of priority for me is Kotre, HHH, and Badger. Only reason I'm not gung-ho on Badger is I still get general town vibes from him, and he was targeted mafia N2 when it wouldn't have been the best move to block their own.

    Another thing to consider is Stryker checked out HHH. If there's no one outright defending him this phase, he's practically confirmed unless he's The Outsider.

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    Add Knee for me. Unless someone has something solid to clear him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotre View Post
    I guess Sonia's showing what she can do.

    I'd been thinking she was a backup, but evidently not.
    This was said before the game events were posted.

    Kotre can't be Raiden or Sonya, by the tracker's word can't be Cassie, and has been eliminated from every other role due to basic spreadsheet info. And essentially by his own admission, is not The Outsider.

    Unvote

    Before I catch up on the rest, Kotre or HHH are a much more sure hit than Kev. I'm already leaning Kotre more and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    Add Knee for me. Unless someone has something solid to clear him.
    I had been pondering this. One thing I noticed is Jacqui seems to be either X-Shot or every night. Jacqui shows up on N2 and N3. Knee is blocked on N1. Unless we believe that her role is submitted as part of the day phase and therefore can't be blocked, that could be a clear for Knee.

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    Oh, and I don't remember exactly who it was(was it @Pablo Diablo)? Scorpion is almost certainly an arsonist. We've learned JP's pre-game flavor gave heavy hints to the roles. Scorp talked about fire, and is now marking people. What that means is at some point in the game, he can ignite all those he marked and kill them.

    I will be baffled if he's not an arsonist.

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    It was happening again. Despite himself, Scorpion could not prevent a smile from passing over his...face? Once more he had a target and once more somebody had also had the same thought, preventing that target from doing anything that night.

    So once again, while Jax stopped Kotre in his tracks for the night, Scorpion sneaked up while the distraction he caused caught Jax’s eye and marked Kotre.

    “More, this is is good”, he though to himself while his way clear. “They will all know what I know.”
    JP, this last line: is that Scorpion or Jax talking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I had been pondering this. One thing I noticed is Jacqui seems to be either X-Shot or every night. Jacqui shows up on N2 and N3. Knee is blocked on N1. Unless we believe that her role is submitted as part of the day phase and therefore can't be blocked, that could be a clear for Knee.
    These are from the end of the day phases... with the flavour happening at night with the targets involved.

    Jacqui had sent the order out hours ago and it was with a ping of satisfaction she looked on at the prisoner being taken out the transport and into the holding cells. She would get her answers, one way or another.
    A new night, a new target. Jacqui sent her men off into the night.
    That doesn't help answer your question about it being blocked, but it does make it look like it is day submitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    These are from the end of the day phases... with the flavour happening at night with the targets involved.




    That doesn't help answer your question about it being blocked, but it does make it look like it is day submitted.
    Might also answer why Jacqui didn't act night 1. Maybe they turn in the role on night for the following night?

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    Knowing he had precious few seconds before being caught Lui Kang sprinted in the direction of the Well.
    From the write-up. The bit about a few seconds before being caught...do we think that's flavor because of Liu Kang's paranoia, or would that somehow be indicating that he hid behind scum and that's what led to his death? This is less of a "is Kev town or scum" question and more a confirmation that Cewsh died because he hid behind the wrong person.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    These are from the end of the day phases... with the flavour happening at night with the targets involved.




    That doesn't help answer your question about it being blocked, but it does make it look like it is day submitted.
    That's why I was thinking it's probably day submitted. Though, if it's a variation of the Jailkeeper, surely it'd be too OP to be invulnerable to blocks, right?

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    I know we read a LOT into JP's flavour, but I think that one might just be paranoia, not something else. Maybe?

    And unblockable jailer role would be insanely OP, agreed. Unless it's X-shot or if they were blocked, the role might work some other way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    I look ridiculously scummy, I just went through my old voting patterns and have been on the pro-lynch train for Cewsh for the majority of this game. Ugh.

    I don't have any info. I think I can say that safely without giving away who I am and won't be able to provide insight.

    I wonder if someone disguised themselves as me because I read fairly clean (as in, if you look at the previous write-ups, I've yet to actually be involved in any phases [perhaps my character has been though] because noone has targetted me so I look like a safe bet.)

    This is confusing, but if I was investigated, would I still flip town? even if the shapeshifter/disguiser imitated me again (it's hard to actually accumulate information on this role as everything I've googled reveals no interaction with a hider role)?

    The other thing that I don't know why noone has stated though is that Cewsh flipped as a normal town hider, not a weak town hider - from what I read in the write-up is that the hider only dies when they hide behind scum and are weak. Weak hider is a common variant but wouldn't that be specified?

    That's all according to here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hider
    I just wanted to respond to this to say that basically every hider we've used on these forums as been a "weak" hider, but that modifier has never been declared by my memory. In fact, the link you showed says the weak variant is the original version of a normal hider. So even though it might not be because he hid behind you, I'd be willing to bet the hider works that way, and nothing else really explains Cewsh's death since there was no mafia targeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    And it said Rip was a vig and not a desperado. But how did he die? Or MOD is evil is how.
    Perhaps he specifically didn't call it a desperado so we wouldn't immediately look at whomever Rip was talking about targeting. Or early hypotheses about having limited kills or something of that nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    I am not 100% on HHH. He's definitely felt off all game, particularly on the Jarrod lynch... and if Cewsh had straight up died hiding behind a CHARACTER, I would be all over it based on those two messages. However, the death write up doesn't appear to be anything like "the hider hid behind a bad guy", so unless JP is going over the top in flavourtown, I don't know if it's as simple as that.

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    If we had Quan Chi in the game, I could believe that Bo Rai Cho and Cewsh were the results of some suicide magic, but unless The Outsider is behind it, there's no one else in the game that would logically have an ability like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    Could Kev have a night kill as town and Cewsh didn't die because Rip was basically vanilla at night? Just speculation at this point.
    Was thinking about this while I was away from the game. While it could explain why Cewsh didn't die behind Rip, the only other role that could potentially have a kill is Sonya if Cassie doesn't count as having a kill. And I just don't see Sonya being a vigilante. Perhaps The Outsider? But in that case, we still wouldn't necessarily want him dead(as I'm presuming he's just a survivor).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Maybe old Badger was right when he said he was roleblocked after accusing HHH? If he killed me out of fearsurely that would be too obvious? Also I was right on him when Jarrod got revealed but I can see why you all went for virm and I did eventually join you on that. Surely that suggests I'm not blocked scum.

    Since there now could be doubt on Kev being scum now and he has just voted HHH, I'm gonna go back to whatI've been saying all along.

    Vote HHH
    To be fair, we still don't know Virm's role, so until that reveal, no one's officially clear for voting him. But to be completely honest, you weren't the only one looking against HHH. Grim and Cewsh had also made as much very clear. So if they were to roleblock someone out of fear, you wouldn't be the only candidate. So I don't think that's why it happened.

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    Ok, I'm starting on my re-read of Kotre's posts, and this one's interesting:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotre View Post
    It stated that her alarm didn't go off. I'm with Psycho, reads like a motion detector. Shockingly, people that aren't in the game don't tend to target other players.

    I echo the thoughts that Bo is a dayvig. I'm not seeing a pattern with his kills yet, but we've only got two data points so far. Could be pretty much anyone, and unless he's got phenominal reads or we have a daydoc/blocker he's going to cause some major collateral damage. By which I mean, please don't elbow me in the throat!

    I don't think the reasoning for Jarrod's lynch was very strong. A roleblock hitting on the same night as a no-kill from Mafia could easily be coincidence. The scum could have chosen to not kill, in the hopes that it would cause us to mislynch. Or, if I can indulge in some flavour text tasting and float a theory...



    What if one of the scum has a role that allows him to kill multiple people in one night. Why mention that detail otherwise? Wouldn't be balanced for that to exist without some tradeoffs, like not being able to kill every night. Food for thought...

    Then again, his defence of "I can't say who I am but I'm absolutely town" came off like straw clutching of the highest order. We'll find out at he end of day 3, I guess.

    With how fast shit's been happening today, I'm not going to cast my vote just yet. I'm fucking tired, I'll parse over the next page of drama and if anyone catches my eye, I'll submit my vote at lunch or some shit.
    Here, he makes a clear plea to not be elbowed in the throat(something that you might want to avoid saying as scum, as you sound guilty), hypothesizes over Jarrod not being a strong lynch AFTER he's already dead, then drops some flavor about Baraka's role to explain why mafia might have held off on a kill. Could be a rookie mistake, but would he give us this much info as scum before the theory had really been floated by anyone else?

    That said, the only potential non-scum roles he could be, he's mentioned in posts as if he's not them (Sonya and Raiden, and to an extent The Outsider), so I guess no matter what, he's making fake-out posts. So this is probably an irrelevant line of thinking I should drop, but I wanted to at least see if anyone else had an opinion on it.

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    Ok, I've gone over Kotre's posts. I am dead certain he's not Sonya or Raiden.

    Vote Kotre
    @Kotre, I have a question for you, and only one answer can prompt me to unvote. And no, this won't be breaking the rules and get you modkilled.

    Are you town or non-town?

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