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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    He was in FMW between 93 and 94. By the sound of it he was mostly a midcarder who didn't even really do many deathmatches, let alone making a name for himself in them. He's also one of Jericho's oldest friends in wrestling and since he's never done much of note anywhere a lot of people are calling it cronyism.
    kinda figured, since the picture collage aew tweeted had some disposable camera-esque shots. you'd think there would be better ones if he was a big deal.

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    I'm not going to hate on this in terms of "cronyism" because it's life lol. I mean, if you can deliver, then it's all good. Not everyone caught the eye of Eric Bischoff and Vince McMahon back in the day and it's a crapshoot today with so many more wrestlers and so little spots on the national/global platforms.

    A lot of wrestlers have jobs because they know someone. Look at Adam Page. The guy is about as exciting as an empty can of Shasta. I've seen paint dry that got over more than Adam Page. Yet, here he is....

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    Week one: 1,409,000 viewers
    Week two: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
    Week three: 1,014,000 viewers
    Week four: 963,000 viewers
    Week five: 759,000 viewers
    Week six: 822,000 viewers
    Week seven: 957,000 viewers
    Week eight: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
    Week nine: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 10: 851,000 viewers
    Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
    Week 12: 683,000 viewers
    Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
    Week 14: 947,000 viewers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Guess who hasn't tweeted again @Murphy lolz
    Update @Murphy they haven't tweeted since to Decemeber 5th

    Can't wait until they tweet begging people to buy the next PPV.

    I mean they said they would explain why eps were always late, Never did and now radio silence, Why is AEW putting up with this shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Update @Murphy they haven't tweeted since to Decemeber 5th

    Can't wait until they tweet begging people to buy the next PPV.

    I mean they said they would explain why eps were always late, Never did and now radio silence, Why is AEW putting up with this shit.
    What choice do they have? Being serious, what other options and what should/can they even do about it?

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    It’s bloody annoying, but at least, for me at least, I can watch NXT instead. Having that earlier on BT is grand.

    I’ll just plan to watch Dynamite on Sunday nights from now on.

    ITV are shite. Such a shame. If they can’t get it to drop on the Hub on Thursdays, which they clearly can’t, it should have a better slot on ITV4 on Friday nights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    What choice do they have? Being serious, what other options and what should/can they even do about it?
    Breach of contract, Get a network that gives a shit and can deliver. I mean if they (itv) say 9pm thursdays and haven't met this once and have been getting worse (Can be Fri evenings 24 hours after the fact) and now haven't communicated in a month when they promised improvements and explanations there is a serious fucking problem there and they are turning UK fans off and given it's their (aew) secondary market I think maybe they would like to sort it, I appreciate what you were trying to do though.

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    There’s me raving about BT Sport and NXT and the main event is missing.

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    Kenny Omega gets a king's entrance and looks like he just rolled out of bed.

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    The fact that people were fooled by the Moxley-Jericho segment has shown that wrestling may have passed me by....

    Or I watch way too much wrestling.

    Or I'm actually smart, and the AEW fans that were in the building (and online) that bought it, are gullible AF and maybe I should start a wrestling federation.

    Shit, if they fell for that - there's nothing I can't accomplish

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    Private Party have potential. They just need to clean things up and they could be a big part of the division for years to come.

    I don't want to sound too harsh, but Brandi is stinking the place up with this gimmick. I don't know if it's the execution or that she's not nearly as good as she thinks she is.

    I like Sammy the more I see him. He should be part of the Inner Circle long term. There's allot they can do with him.

    I like that they actually worked Daniels botch into a storyline instead of completely ignoring it.

    Even though it was obvious, I really liked the Mox swerve.

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    After about the first month I haven't seen full episodes consistently enough, but did like what I saw with Sammy from the start. It'll be better when they may introduce a secondary title and he could be a good one to put the title on for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    The fact that people were fooled by the Moxley-Jericho segment has shown that wrestling may have passed me by....

    Or I watch way too much wrestling.

    Or I'm actually smart, and the AEW fans that were in the building (and online) that bought it, are gullible AF and maybe I should start a wrestling federation.

    Shit, if they fell for that - there's nothing I can't accomplish
    AEW fans all want to think they're the "smartest" of the so-called "smart" fans, so the fact that AEW swerved people without a swerve is, in itself, a swerve. And that caught a lot of assholes who think they know better, way off guard.

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    So, after a couple weeks of building off of it, was Daniels falling on his head doing that Arabian Moonsault a legit botch, or no? Because I'm still not sure.

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    Suggestions in WON that Matt Hardy will be leaving WWE in March and may well be headed to AEW to revive the Broken Matt character and lead the Dark Order. He's been producing some new Broken Matt vids apparently. I'm all for that. There's more mileage in that character for sure. He was one of the hottest things in wrestling when he went to WWE and they never quite got it right. He'd surely have more creative control over the character in AEW. Not to mention that the Dark Order are currently quite shit. This could save the act.

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    1-01
    Cody vs. Darby Allin opened with 1,074,000
    Second half of Cody vs. Darby Allin lost 105,000 viewers and 31,000 in 18-49
    Riho vs. Nyla Rose vs. Britt Baker vs. Hikaru Shida gained 47,000 viewers including 34,000 in 18-49
    Dark Order promo and beginning of Jon Moxley vs. Trent lost 104,000
    Jon Moxley vs. Trent/Chris Jericho’s offer gained 67,000
    Dustin Rhodes vs. Sammy Guevara lost 13,000
    MJF promo lost 39,000 viewers but gained 9,000 in 18-49
    Young Bucks & Kenny Omega vs. Pac & Pentagon Jr. & Rey Fenix lost 34,000 viewers and 11,000 in 18-49

    Finished with 893,000

    1-08
    Kenny Omega & Adam Page vs. Private Party opened with 1,013,000
    Ending of Omega & Page vs. Private Party/Omega chases PAC lost 69,000
    Riho vs. Kris Statlander/Brandi + Nightmare Collective gained 17,000
    Christopher Daniels vs. Sammy Guevara/Dark Order lost 48,000
    Dustin & Cody Rhodes vs. Pentagon Jr. & Rey Fenix/Arn Anderson gained 28,000
    MJF promo with DDP, BBB, etc. stayed even
    Luchasaurus & Jungle Boy & Marko Stunt vs. Trent & Chuck Taylor & Orange Cassidy lost 44,000
    Chris Jericho's offer with Jon Moxley gained 73,000

    Finished 970,000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    So, after a couple weeks of building off of it, was Daniels falling on his head doing that Arabian Moonsault a legit botch, or no? Because I'm still not sure.
    The more I keep seeing it the more it looks like it was intentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    The fact that people were fooled by the Moxley-Jericho segment has shown that wrestling may have passed me by....

    Or I watch way too much wrestling.

    Or I'm actually smart, and the AEW fans that were in the building (and online) that bought it, are gullible AF and maybe I should start a wrestling federation.

    Shit, if they fell for that - there's nothing I can't accomplish
    Could be they were hoping that Moxley actually did join the Inner Circle. That would have been way more interesting, for me at least.

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    How many times did they repeat the same angle though? We had what, 3 different "Are they going to join?" segments.....All done a little differently but Jesus Christ not by much.

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    If you think about it, wrestling storylines are all repetitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    AEW fans all want to think they're the "smartest" of the so-called "smart" fans, so the fact that AEW swerved people without a swerve is, in itself, a swerve. And that caught a lot of assholes who think they know better, way off guard.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    So, after a couple weeks of building off of it, was Daniels falling on his head doing that Arabian Moonsault a legit botch, or no? Because I'm still not sure.
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    If you think about it, wrestling storylines are all repetitive.
    But if you're trying to do a distinct angle, why repeat it 2-3 times throughout the show? Yes, you can nitpick down to the bone but I'm just saying there was no real variety when it came to the non-wrestling angles they did on this show. They have a couple storylines right now that are the exact same, all this recruiting shit. Nightmare Collective, Inner Circle, Dark Order, is this the AEW draft? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    But if you're trying to do a distinct angle, why repeat it 2-3 times throughout the show? Yes, you can nitpick down to the bone but I'm just saying there was no real variety when it came to the non-wrestling angles they did on this show. They have a couple storylines right now that are the exact same, all this recruiting shit. Nightmare Collective, Inner Circle, Dark Order, is this the AEW draft? lol
    You also have the well under the radar (or completely shelved) angle of Spears and Blanchard trying to recruit a tag team partner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    But if you're trying to do a distinct angle, why repeat it 2-3 times throughout the show? Yes, you can nitpick down to the bone but I'm just saying there was no real variety when it came to the non-wrestling angles they did on this show. They have a couple storylines right now that are the exact same, all this recruiting shit. Nightmare Collective, Inner Circle, Dark Order, is this the AEW draft? lol
    Probably cause it's easier to get people involved if you're in some stable. With only 2 hours of TV a week, talent's not gonna be showcased as much. Stables give people a way to be seen and not forgotten I suppose. And Is he or isn't he joining a group is a good cliffhanger. Seems to have worked as the episode had more viewers tune in to see Moxley's decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Probably cause it's easier to get people involved if you're in some stable. With only 2 hours of TV a week, talent's not gonna be showcased as much. Stables give people a way to be seen and not forgotten I suppose. And Is he or isn't he joining a group is a good cliffhanger. Seems to have worked as the episode had more viewers tune in to see Moxley's decision.
    Right but if that's the only angle between 15-20 people it just seems overdone like a motherfucker.

    IDK if the gain was due to wanting to see his decision or just wanting to see people they actually know and care about. Right now it's the main storyline, pretty much whatever Jericho is doing is the main storyline and he's also the biggest name by a mile.

    So I think that again, if you do the same angle for 4-5 different feuds on one 2 hour show then that shows a real lack of creativity.

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    I's kind of hilarious that they had multiple recruitment angles on one show, and they all failed If they're going to do that, at least have one succeed.

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    If Matt leads the Dark Order, it would become a face stable. I don't know if that's the direction they want to go.

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    I thought the rumor was that they didn't want to hire any more ex WWE guys.

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    The Dark Order is a good idea with poor execution right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I thought the rumor was that they didn't want to hire any more ex WWE guys.
    I'm pretty sure they don't want to come across as they're going automatically going to hire retreads or guys that immediately leave WWE. There's guys/girls that obviously make sense for a variety of reasons that are worthwhile acquisitions if they became available. Matt Hardy would be one, and I tend to think most or all of the EVPs would agree.

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    And it's kind of hard not to find top talent that hasn't worked for the biggest promotion ever. It's like shitting on the CFL for picking up NFL players.

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    Cant wait for Ralphus to join the inner circle.

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    Brian Cage has signed a multi-year deal with AEW apparently. That's a good start to the year. Hopefully there'll be a good few more signings to come.

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    Damn, that's exciting! They don't have too many monsters rights now. However, his wife claims there is no deal

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    I hope this isn't really true. I'm not a big fan of Brian Cage personally. He's solid, and obviously he has an impressive physique, but he's never really appealed to me. Not really sure why. I guess it's a good get for AEW, but I won't be particularly thrilled.

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    i wish cage would tone down the flips and fancy stuff and just work as a hard hitting athletic big man. like a workrate scott steiner. bust out the flips he's capable of doing rarely in big matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    i wish cage would tone down the flips and fancy stuff and just work as a hard hitting athletic big man. like a workrate scott steiner. bust out the flips he's capable of doing rarely in big matches.
    Ah yeah like Steiner back in the early 90's before the super juice and injuries.

    When I see Brian Cage, kinda reminds me of the dude from High Voltage or whatever from WCW Saturday Night.

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    TNT has announced that they have come to terms with AEW on an extension for Dynamite, now going through 2023. What is more interesting is that both AEW and TNT have agreed to launch a second night of programming.

    This is just a guess, but I'm presuming Dark goes off Youtube and just goes to TNT.

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    I've been watching AEW here and there and pretty up to date with the product. Here's a question. Do they have enough main eventers right now to keep things fresh? who would you all say is a legit main guy?

    Jericho, Moxley, Page, Omega, Cody, Pac. Then below them you have Darby Allin, MJF, Hager, Dustin Sammy. The tag division is pretty strong. I feel like they need a few more top guys before things get stale. Maybe that's just me. Are they slowly building towards a Page/Omega program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I've been watching AEW here and there and pretty up to date with the product. Here's a question. Do they have enough main eventers right now to keep things fresh? who would you all say is a legit main guy?

    Jericho, Moxley, Page, Omega, Cody, Pac. Then below them you have Darby Allin, MJF, Hager, Dustin Sammy. The tag division is pretty strong. I feel like they need a few more top guys before things get stale. Maybe that's just me. Are they slowly building towards a Page/Omega program?
    I would move Pac and Page to lead the second tier. If they're not building towards Page/Omega, they're wasting a lot of time for going to wherever they're going lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I've been watching AEW here and there and pretty up to date with the product. Here's a question. Do they have enough main eventers right now to keep things fresh? who would you all say is a legit main guy?

    Jericho, Moxley, Page, Omega, Cody, Pac. Then below them you have Darby Allin, MJF, Hager, Dustin Sammy. The tag division is pretty strong. I feel like they need a few more top guys before things get stale. Maybe that's just me. Are they slowly building towards a Page/Omega program?
    I'd agree with that last of AEW main event talent. Weird saying Adam Page is a main eventer but we're not exactly talking about WWE or NJPW.

    It does feel like that's the direction, Page v. Omega. IDK, maybe I'm missing something with Page but he just hasn't clicked for me, ever. Going back to the ROH days wearing a John Deere hat. Everything just feels forced. We're supposed to think he's dope because he was in Bullet Club or with the Elite or challenging for the AEW title v. Jericho. And none of it seems to be working, for me at least.

    Just zero personality and an average worker.

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    AEW Renewed through 2023.

    Warner Media orders 'a new AEW series"


    I'm not a fan if this means another show. If they just air Dark or Replace It, that's a better decision.

    I hope they don't have Dynamite, New Show, and Dark.

    They'll run into the same problem WWE has

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    MJF is a main eventer waiting to happen. He's like a more talented Miz. Hager ain't gonna do much as long as he's MMAing. Probably why he hasn't wrestled yet (to my knowledge).

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    Exciting news for AEW. Wonder what the original deal was for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    TNT has announced that they have come to terms with AEW on an extension for Dynamite, now going through 2023. What is more interesting is that both AEW and TNT have agreed to launch a second night of programming.

    This is just a guess, but I'm presuming Dark goes off Youtube and just goes to TNT.
    Meltzer is reporting that it's for four years and $175 million, including an option for 2024 at a hiked up price.

    Looks like my guess was wrong as Dark is staying on YouTube and this is an additional two-hour show on a TBD network (could be TNT, could be TBs, could be TruTV). So there will be two hours of Dynamite, two hours of this new show, and an hour of Dark on YouTube.

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    Do they even need a 3rd show? I guess when half their roster works for 20 other promotions it won't be hard to find bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    MJF is a main eventer waiting to happen. He's like a more talented Miz.
    MJF is fantastic. But he's not on that level yet.

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    The comparison to The Miz is what it is. I can kind of see it, the more I see of MJF the less I see Miz or Jericho or anyone really other than like those James Spader Pretty in Pink type assholes. These little saltine motherfuckers with their trust funds and parents who cover up underage rape.

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    So they're gonna run back to back nights then? Or they put the B show against WWE on Monday or Friday. Saturday they run their PPV's, Sundays are big days for NFL and WWE PPV's. Holy fucking oversaturation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    So they're gonna run back to back nights then? Or they put the B show against WWE on Monday or Friday. Saturday they run their PPV's, Sundays are big days for NFL and WWE PPV's. Holy fucking oversaturation.
    And Saturdays are generally reserved for MMA and boxing so you have to factor that in as well. So that has to be fucking with their ppv buys already.

    WWE is one thing, AEW is just starting. Imagine if Nitro hit, and then 3 months later you had Nitro, Saturday Night, Worldwide, AND Thunder.....Because we can't forget the other show "Being the Elite". Idk if that's actually part of AEW but I lump it in there. Mind you it's not exactly an hour long presentation or anything but still holy fuck like you said, the saturation is thick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    So they're gonna run back to back nights then? Or they put the B show against WWE on Monday or Friday. Saturday they run their PPV's, Sundays are big days for NFL and WWE PPV's. Holy fucking oversaturation.
    They're not going to do Sunday, Monday, Thursday because of football/Jaguars. I'm dubious in thinking the show will be on TNT. Tuesday is really the only viable partial option because a chunk of Thursday's are taken away because of the NBA and then they eventually take Tuesday too. In addition, Dark is on Tuesday so they either move Dark to another night or pick another night for this new show. Just like the initial thought when Turner and AEW were linked, this new show could wind up on TBS or TruTV.
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    I'm extremely curious as to why they think they need another show. AEW Dark is already pushing it, I imagine the numbers for that show suck. Other than "Well, WWE has a ton of shows" I can't really see the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I'm extremely curious as to why they think they need another show. AEW Dark is already pushing it, I imagine the numbers for that show suck. Other than "Well, WWE has a ton of shows" I can't really see the point.
    Do you mean Turner or AEW in regards to they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Do you mean Turner or AEW in regards to they?
    Well, if the report is that BOTH AEW and TNA are wanting another show, WHY do they want another show? I mean, 25 years ago Ted Turner wanted WCW on Mondays because the WWF were on Mondays. And a lot of decisions in AEW tend to lean towards "What did Bischoff and Ted do during the MNW saga??" So if the idea is that they need more because WWE has more, stupid approach. If it's simply because they feel down the road they'll have a roster too big for 1 show, well shit half the roster isn't even exclusive but it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Well, if the report is that BOTH AEW and TNA are wanting another show, WHY do they want another show? I mean, 25 years ago Ted Turner wanted WCW on Mondays because the WWF were on Mondays. And a lot of decisions in AEW tend to lean towards "What did Bischoff and Ted do during the MNW saga??" So if the idea is that they need more because WWE has more, stupid approach. If it's simply because they feel down the road they'll have a roster too big for 1 show, well shit half the roster isn't even exclusive but it makes sense.
    From AEW's perspective, I see the logic. They're getting more money for a product that they believe they have a decent footing in and they believe they will get better over time.
    From Turner's perspective, I see the logic. They're thinking, "Hey, this thing that many projected would do 400k-500k is almost nearly doubling that." If that's the case, let's find a spot on our family of networks that could use a boost.

    From the macro sense, I imagine both parties are buying into the idea that if someone loves something, they're willing to consume as much of it as you're willing to offer. That's a philosophical mindset so clearly not everyone is going to agree with that line of thinking but I can understand the approach to it.

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    There's an argument that running Smackdown hurt WWE creatively and was a big reason as to why the Raw ratings began to decline. Both an oversaturated market and creative burnout caused by increasing content. Thunder absolutely hurt WCW. Unless it's, say, a concise half hour Being The Elite like show, perhaps at 7.30 ET on a Monday or something, it's going to hurt them before they've really established what the brand is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    From AEW's perspective, I see the logic. They're getting more money for a product that they believe they have a decent footing in and they believe they will get better over time.
    From Turner's perspective, I see the logic. They're thinking, "Hey, this thing that many projected would do 400k-500k is almost nearly doubling that." If that's the case, let's find a spot on our family of networks that could use a boost.

    From the macro sense, I imagine both parties are buying into the idea that if someone loves something, they're willing to consume as much of it as you're willing to offer. That's a philosophical mindset so clearly not everyone is going to agree with that line of thinking but I can understand the approach to it.
    I agree with all of that I just wonder if it's premature. 3 months in, the ratings aren't exactly awesome but maybe in comparison to other shows on TNT they are, idk I don't have cable so I have no clue what is even on TNT other than basketball lol.

    Because the ratings are consistent, usually above 600k every week but the reality is, a lot of that is WWE fans watching AEW in place of NXT then going back and watching NXT after the fact. I would put money on it that the majority, like an extreme majority, are also watching WWE. So that's a shit ton of wrestling just between 2 companies.

    Either way, I'll watch lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    There's an argument that running Smackdown hurt WWE creatively and was a big reason as to why the Raw ratings began to decline. Both an oversaturated market and creative burnout caused by increasing content. Thunder absolutely hurt WCW. Unless it's, say, a concise half hour Being The Elite like show, perhaps at 7.30 ET on a Monday or something, it's going to hurt them before they've really established what the brand is.
    I could see that argument but I wonder when they're talking about. Raw had it's biggest ratings in 2000 I believe, after Smackdown debuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I agree with all of that I just wonder if it's premature. 3 months in, the ratings aren't exactly awesome but maybe in comparison to other shows on TNT they are, idk I don't have cable so I have no clue what is even on TNT other than basketball lol.

    Because the ratings are consistent, usually above 600k every week but the reality is, a lot of that is WWE fans watching AEW in place of NXT then going back and watching NXT after the fact. I would put money on it that the majority, like an extreme majority, are also watching WWE. So that's a shit ton of wrestling just between 2 companies.

    Either way, I'll watch lol.
    It very well could blow up in their face, like FB just alluded to as a potential pitfall. Most of the EVPs have been openly saying in interviews that it was more work than they anticipated and now they've got to double it. That's sure as hell lacking promise, haha. I like a lot of what they're doing but they're getting in their own way with a lot of it, too. Just have to see if it will all click. The big win is they've been given more rope to be able to figure it out. I imagine the idea to create the second show is absolutely premature but that seems to be the going cost of Hollywood business. Sequels in movies can be announced after a successful opening weekend (whether the movie was projected to do very well or exceeded expectations).

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    one of the complaints i have about dynamite is that there is very little room for things to breathe. they want to have decent length matches that showcase the talent to appease the 'sports-centric' approach, which means a lot of story and character work gets left behind, feeling rushed or relegated to other avenues like social media and youtube. getting an extra hour or two, on network tv, without a brand split and a much smaller, more focused roster compared to wwe, could allow them way more room to grow and improve the content.

    the two hours of dynamite per week has been pretty solid the majority of the three and a half months it's been on the air, but i have wanted more time for promos and segments and video packages. this extra show could help to accomplish that, if they choose to go that way.

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    Or it'll spread an already thin roster even thinner because they have to fill content in for another 1-2 hour show. And do they have the roster for it to make it appealing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I agree with all of that I just wonder if it's premature. 3 months in, the ratings aren't exactly awesome but maybe in comparison to other shows on TNT they are, idk I don't have cable so I have no clue what is even on TNT other than basketball lol.

    Because the ratings are consistent, usually above 600k every week but the reality is, a lot of that is WWE fans watching AEW in place of NXT then going back and watching NXT after the fact. I would put money on it that the majority, like an extreme majority, are also watching WWE. So that's a shit ton of wrestling just between 2 companies.

    Either way, I'll watch lol.
    AEW is up 82% over what was in that time slot before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    AEW is up 82% over what was in that time slot before
    Awesome. I only watched TNT for Nitro, NBA, and Joe Bob Briggs. Never really knew what they offered if it wasn't tied in to Nitro (Xena, Witch something, Hercules, Robin Hood)

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    Damn right brother

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    Can't say I'm happy they're already planning another show, but if it helps advance more storylines, then it could be worth it. It doesn't need to be 2 hrs, 1 would be enough. However, I worry that instead of getting 1 big ratings number every week, they're going to get 2 smaller numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Do they even need a 3rd show? I guess when half their roster works for 20 other promotions it won't be hard to find bodies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    There's an argument that running Smackdown hurt WWE creatively and was a big reason as to why the Raw ratings began to decline. Both an oversaturated market and creative burnout caused by increasing content. Thunder absolutely hurt WCW. Unless it's, say, a concise half hour Being The Elite like show, perhaps at 7.30 ET on a Monday or something, it's going to hurt them before they've really established what the brand is.
    I'm hoping they go this route.

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    does the extension deal include a new sound crew

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    Watching this as it airs for the first time in a while. I love how they always open the show with a really hot match.

    Edit: Whoops, wrong thread.
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    statlander looks so bad in this match

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    I don't know who came up with the idea for Sammy to use Bob Dylan style cue cards, but it's brilliant for the screen in screen.

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    this 6 man tag rules, best match on the show for sure.

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    Well that match was quite decent

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    main event was really, really good. those two have great chemistry. nice to see a fast paced workrate style match on AEW that's all about really well executed moves rather than fake looking, overly complicated spots.

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    Joey Janela and Mel are some of the worst wrestlers I have seen.
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    Outside of the meh wrestling in the female tag match, that felt like a pretty solid episode. Not ideal to have the finish of a match in the midst of a replay, which is taking up the bigger box in the picture-in-picture setup. You hate to see that, lol. Liked the first and last match of the evening quite a bit.

    Part of me is just rolling with the assumption they beat Moxley up like they did and he had the eyepatch just so he could have the pirate feel for the cruise next week.

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    Honestly, I'd be cool with AEW making their second show a TV ready version of Being The Elite.

    Maybe do a series of sit down interviews, personality profiles, segments about new wrestlers, seeing how guys train, seeing some stuff about backstage and production.

    Just a weekly package show, that occasionally shows some Dark matches. They'd have a perfect platform to do a two-hour hard sell pay-per-view pre-show. They'd have a platform during Christmas or New Years to do a "Best Of" or an awards show. At the end of 2020, they could use the second show to induct someone into the first annual AEW Hall of Fame. Turn it into angle; induct Cody Rhodes and have Cody, during his speech, announce that he's stepping out of his executive role and he's only going to be a wrestler. But because of that, all deals he had previously are void. So, in 2021, Cody's on a different deal and not beholden to anything from the past contract. So he can challenge Chris Jericho for The World Title again, in 2021, at *insert pay-per-view name here*.

    There's a million things they could do with another two hours of TV time that aren't just having more matches in more arenas.

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    Yeah, for me, the roster is too thin as things are now, let alone adding another show. I've already stopped watching Dark myself.

    I'll wait until more details are known. I'd be ok with the aforementioned TV version of Being The Elite, with the odd Dark match thrown in.

    This company needs to walk before it can run.

    That said, excellent news with the extension with TNT for Dynamite.
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    enjoyed the show. everything, besides the women's tag, was pretty good. opened up hot, and kept up a good pace.

    expecting the hangman/omega breakup to happen next week. why were the bucks mad that hangman tagged himself in? is he not allowed to want to win the match? makes the bucks look like some crybabies.

    even the dark order segment was good. which they usually are when it doesn't include the actual dark order themselves.

    sammy/mox was my motn

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    I got grumpy old man during the opening tag match. See Baron Corbin for how I felt about it.

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    I love AEW Dark’s booking style. It feels like they’re just pulling names out of a hat and pairing them up on a booking sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    I got grumpy old man during the opening tag match. See Baron Corbin for how I felt about it.
    I saw Meltzer respond to that, saying the opening match of NXT was exactly the same.

    I'm yet to see either show yet. Tonight, if it's all there, I'll catch NXT on BT. Unless Dynamite is up on the ITV Hub nice and early. What do you think @Peter Griffin?


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    Two notes:

    Whenever speaking on it, Meltzer kept referring to the new show being one hour. He never said one or two-hour show, kept saying one hour. He noted that the show will probably be taped on Wednesday.

    Tony Maglio of The Wrap, who was pretty prominent in announcing the AEW to Turner deal originally, spoke with Turner President Kevin Reilly. Reilly said that the show will, in fact, be AEW Dark (so that matches the one-hour description). He said that it will be weekly but may not be 52 weeks a year. "We're taking 'Dark' and then re-adapting it for TNT," Reilly told Maglio. He continued to say that they will embellish Dark and add things that are more of the 'Road to' docu-styling.

    If they keep it on TNT, the only real night that makes sense (based on what Reilly said and what Khan has said) is Friday.

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    according to Keller that female match was one of the worst match/segment in a long time.

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    They should suspend women's wrestling on this show until they land some actual talent.

    It's terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    according to Keller that female match was one of the worst match/segment in a long time.
    I'm not sure if I would go that far but it wasn't good. I highly doubt there's been a week where the women were in serious contention for being a standout portion of an episode but there's likely been multiple instances where they've been in contention for being the worst part of an episode. Statlander looked promising at first but I haven't been that impressed the last two weeks. Some of the stuff caught on camera that she was trying to do early in that match last night was really bad. Is the pool of available talent in America that bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I'm not sure if I would go that far but it wasn't good. I highly doubt there's been a week where the women were in serious contention for being a standout portion of an episode but there's likely been multiple instances where they've been in contention for being the worst part of an episode. Statlander looked promising at first but I haven't been that impressed the last two weeks. Some of the stuff caught on camera that she was trying to do early in that match last night was really bad. Is the pool of available talent in America that bad?

    This is what he said to be more accurate.

    (Keller’s Analysis: Mark that one down as an early contender for WORST NATIONALLY TELEVISED MATCH OF THE 2020’s. I don’t look forward to the match that unseats this embarrassment.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post

    This is what he said to be more accurate.

    (Keller’s Analysis: Mark that one down as an early contender for WORST NATIONALLY TELEVISED MATCH OF THE 2020’s. I don’t look forward to the match that unseats this embarrassment.)
    Well, okay. Considering we're two weeks in on 2020, what a bold statement lol.

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    Anyone else excited that Taz has signed a multi-year deal with AEW?

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    Based on the match quality up to this point, it really seems like AEW should have held off on debuting a Women's Division until they got a deeper roster. Unfortunately, they'll look bad if they suddenly pull these matches from the show, so we're going to have to wait it out.

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    Week one: 1,409,000 viewers
    Week two: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
    Week three: 1,014,000 viewers
    Week four: 963,000 viewers
    Week five: 759,000 viewers
    Week six: 822,000 viewers
    Week seven: 957,000 viewers
    Week eight: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
    Week nine: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 10: 851,000 viewers
    Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
    Week 12: 683,000 viewers
    Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
    Week 14: 947,000 viewers
    Week 15: 940,000 viewers

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    according to Keller that female match was one of the worst match/segment in a long time.
    that spot where statlander did that awful superkick from the apron that looked like her leg barely twitched, and followed it up with a moonsault that missed by a mile, was one of the worst exchanges i've seen in wrestling in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Week one: 1,409,000 viewers
    Week two: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
    Week three: 1,014,000 viewers
    Week four: 963,000 viewers
    Week five: 759,000 viewers
    Week six: 822,000 viewers
    Week seven: 957,000 viewers
    Week eight: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
    Week nine: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 10: 851,000 viewers
    Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
    Week 12: 683,000 viewers
    Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
    Week 14: 947,000 viewers
    Week 15: 940,000 viewers
    i wonder what accounts for this ratings rebound. re-focusing the shows on jericho/moxley and cody/mjf?

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    there has been more darby allin too, who was sort of missing for a while for a couple weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    that spot where statlander did that awful superkick from the apron that looked like her leg barely twitched, and followed it up with a moonsault that missed by a mile, was one of the worst exchanges i've seen in wrestling in a long time.

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    i wonder what accounts for this ratings rebound. re-focusing the shows on jericho/moxley and cody/mjf?
    Ddp obviously

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    thinking about how the guys in AEW might be who have some responsibility for moving ratings, man is it striking how much i DONT think of kenny omega and the young bucks in that category. cody, jericho, moxley, MJF, even samy guevara, darby allin, dustin rhodes, feel like bigger stars to the promotion right now.

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    Omega's picking up steam again.

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    I kinda feel like Omega is purposely taking a backseat. A mix of burnout from NJPW and giving other people a chance to be on top while he can work programs with Mox, PAC, Page, and the tag division to help fill out the midcard more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I kinda feel like Omega is purposely taking a backseat. A mix of burnout from NJPW and giving other people a chance to be on top while he can work programs with Mox, PAC, Page, and the tag division to help fill out the midcard more.
    He said he is (to help better the younger or newer talent), so you would be correct lol.

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    I won't lie, when I saw AEW were calling this shows "Bash At The Beach" and it was set in California, I'm kind of disappointed this wasn't set up on an actual beach somewhere.

    If they want to be WCW, go all the way, right?

    AEW Dark could have been a "Women of AEW Bikini Special" one week. Exclusively on Youtube.

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    According to WON, Marty was going to be revealed as the leader of the Dark Order but when ROH offered him a much improved deal and he decided to stay, that whole angle has been on the back burner.

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    Now they should reach out to Marty Jannetty

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