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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    what the fuck are you old people talking about, who is that
    Its right up your alley Hero.

    Frankly, I'm disappointed. I'm tempted to call you a stupid daikini, but I am not sure if that's right for you.

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    is this shit on streaming?

    that skull guy looks cool

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    So overall, Rampage beat the 30 min smackdown overrun in the demo. Becky/Sasha lost to Punk/Sydal, but interestingly enough Bunny vs Ruby tied with the contract signing.

    I think they're head to head again for a bit this week? So, let's see what gets thrown out there this week, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    is this shit on streaming?

    that skull guy looks cool
    Disney+

    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    So overall, Rampage beat the 30 min smackdown overrun in the demo. Becky/Sasha lost to Punk/Sydal, but interestingly enough Bunny vs Ruby tied with the contract signing.

    I think they're head to head again for a bit this week? So, let's see what gets thrown out there this week, lol
    Out of respect for those of you from your era who were raised with the whole "everyone gets a trophy" mentality I just want to try and old chant from back in the day:

    SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
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    AEW lost. Smackdown won. Smackdown on a channel not very many people even have. Rampage already has a reputation. Where did the 500k fans go that tuned in for Punk? They literally lost half a million viewers in a matter of weeks. That's crazy. For a company who's hardcore fanbase prides itself on praising ratings like 800,000-1.2 million, where's that energy now? Instead it's "The key demo" What a joke. What was it 0.32 v. 0.34...? Just take the L with all that money he's got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    what the fuck are you old people talking about, who is that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Disney+



    Out of respect for those of you from your era who were raised with the whole "everyone gets a trophy" mentality I just want to try and old chant from back in the day:

    SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
    SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
    SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
    SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
    SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
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    SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
    SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
    SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*

    AEW lost. Smackdown won. Smackdown on a channel not very many people even have. Rampage already has a reputation. Where did the 500k fans go that tuned in for Punk? They literally lost half a million viewers in a matter of weeks. That's crazy. For a company who's hardcore fanbase prides itself on praising ratings like 800,000-1.2 million, where's that energy now? Instead it's "The key demo" What a joke. What was it 0.32 v. 0.34...? Just take the L with all that money he's got.
    Rampage's half hour beat Smackdown's final half hour purely in viewers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Rampage's half hour beat Smackdown's final half hour purely in viewers
    Old man yells at cloud

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    Chants never last that long either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Rampage's half hour beat Smackdown's final half hour purely in viewers
    So?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Old man yells at cloud
    You could learn a thing or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    So?
    So that was the head to head part.

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    So your argument is moot. You said Smackdown beat Rampage, but when they were actually going head-to-head with WWE's biggest segments of the night, AEW outdid them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    So your argument is moot. You said Smackdown beat Rampage, but when they were actually going head-to-head with WWE's biggest segments of the night, AEW outdid them.
    LOL remember the other day when you tried to say you don't have an excuse for everything....here you are.

    Here's my argument: Smackdown beat Rampage. Slice it up however you want Man of 1,000 Excuses, but they lost.

    Again, you don't make excuses yet here you are trying to slice it up. Anything to try and make AEW seem like they never do anything less than WWE lol. For fuck's sake.

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    You same AEW marks propped up AEW beating Raw in the key demo like it was a real victory. Like I said, anything to make it seem like AEW always has the drop on WWE.

    I can't wait for the non-excuse making quitter Psycho666 (oh edgy!) to make another excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    So your argument is moot. You said Smackdown beat Rampage, but when they were actually going head-to-head with WWE's biggest segments of the night, AEW outdid them.

    shhh facts have no place in an argument with ND

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    shhh facts have no place in an argument with ND
    The fact that Smackdown beat Rampage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    The fact that Smackdown beat Rampage?
    you don’t know how to read and that’s ok

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    For the thirty minute that the two programs were head to head, more people watched aew


    i know, numbers are hard and you’re not that bright, but you should probably stop acting like a petulant child because you’re wrong.

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    10-10:15: 363,000 vs. 272,000
    10-15-10:30: 293,000 vs. 293,000


    Full 30 min: 328,000 vs. 282,500


    can anyone good at math tell me which numbers are larger this is so hard and difficult to figure out

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    The other day you guys were bragging about Dynamite beating Raw in the 18-49 demo.

    Smackdown had more viewers than Rampage. Smackdown lost 60% of their audience moving to FSN and Rampage still couldn't get a decent rating. They had a 13% increase, wow.

    I just don't see why you guys pretend like you're about one thing and then change it up when AEW doesn't pull it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    LOL remember the other day when you tried to say you don't have an excuse for everything....here you are.

    Here's my argument: Smackdown beat Rampage. Slice it up however you want Man of 1,000 Excuses, but they lost.

    Again, you don't make excuses yet here you are trying to slice it up. Anything to try and make AEW seem like they never do anything less than WWE lol. For fuck's sake.
    I'm just pointing out where your argument obviously falls short. No excuses needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I'm just pointing out where your argument obviously falls short. No excuses needed.

    numbers hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I'm just pointing out where your argument obviously falls short. No excuses needed.
    It didn't fall short. Who had more viewers? Smackdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    numbers hard
    I've read your posts about educating, it's scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    It didn't fall short. Who had more viewers? Smackdown.
    Not when viewers had to choose which show they wanted to watch live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Not when viewers had to choose which show they wanted to watch live.
    More people watched Smackdown live than they did AEW. Is this even a real conversation right now??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    More people watched Smackdown live than they did AEW. Is this even a real conversation right now??
    It is, surprisingly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    It is, surprisingly
    How difficult would it be for you to not make an excuse for AEW?

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    See my comments on Bobby Fish

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    Amazing that so many people watched Rampage live when at the exact same time they could have been watching that extra half hour of Smackdown. Huge win for AEW.

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    https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/sta...il92SmnjQ&s=19

    This is the holy shit moment that wasn't on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    See my comments on Bobby Fish
    What about them?

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    The Martin/Black match was really good. The nod at the end was an unnecessary but fun touch.

    I definitely laughed when Punk made the comment about Serena's hair.

    The comedy was probably more memorable to me than the actual match between the trios. Like the teasing they did between Britt and Ana. It's a good progression for both of them and has added sizzle based on the implication of who they're dating and the different level of animosity that can be created by that. It can be good to utilize that as long as you don't beat the viewer over the head with it.

    Miro's promo was really good and used his message in a warped perspective now. Shame he's not in the tournament but I'm guessing that's fitting for the narrative he's using now.

    Page needed to deliver a money promo to give his character direction, address his absence, and set the stage for the road ahead and he really delivered. They've got time to build off that and it's safe to say that the promo established a very strong foundation for his reintroduction.

    Good grappling for the main event.

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    I don't understand the World title eliminator tournament one bit. Why is Moxley wrestling #10? Why is Danielson wrestling Rhodes? It would be one thing if these were matches to get IN to the tournament and then you'd have a pretty good 8-man tournament. Who knows....maybe #10 will win it all and throw everyone off.

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    Too many people that shouldn't lose right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Too many people that shouldn't lose right now.
    I agree with this. Its going to be interesting to see how AEW handles managing these competing priorities over the next 3-6 months. Hard to keep as many people that separate in the long-term.

    I enjoyed this week's programming quite a bit. I didn't enjoy this week's Tony Kahn interview statements, too much of a weird ego vibe right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Too many people that shouldn't lose right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I agree with this. Its going to be interesting to see how AEW handles managing these competing priorities over the next 3-6 months. Hard to keep as many people that separate in the long-term.

    I enjoyed this week's programming quite a bit. I didn't enjoy this week's Tony Kahn interview statements, too much of a weird ego vibe right now.
    So you put lames in the WORLD TITLE ELIMINATOR to avoid someone taking a loss?

    That's a huge problem with AEW. Too many padded records. Quality over quantity is something they need to really think about.

    The ratings don't lie. Rampage lost over half their audience. Dynamite hasn't really grown beyond what we all expected when NXT moved to Tuesdays. When they do put on a heavy card, it doesn't really move the needle but at least it's better than watching Sting beat up the youth or Moxley v. some nobody.

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    There was realistically no way for Rampage to keep that ratins audience. Punk was something that most people wanted to see live. It was one of the few things that could significantly cut into recordings. I'm not sure that the decline in total viewership isn't less than traditional ratings suggest.

    That said, Tony Kahn is making weird flexes on ratings that exist inside margin of error.

    There's a level of specificity in these ratings arguments that are asinine. Ratings are estimates. And increasingly imprecise. They're arguably less relevant now than social media tracking. The thing is, those numbers are not readily available to the public, so 90s logic and availability makes us overinflate. Of course, they are also easy to point to by company reps on social media and investor calls.

    Its going to be interesting to see what happens when the model changes.


    https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/nie...gs-1235069796/

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...ts-1235010407/

    https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/nie...us-1234970113/

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    I don't get these demograph ratings. So Smackdown gets more viewers but because AEW gets more in a certain age category they claim it as more.

    Doesn't make sense to me. Do people outside of that bracket not count like?

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    AEW will claim anything as a win. It's like listening to die hard supporters of Hillary Clinton. Only here in this thread it's die hard supporters of Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    I don't get these demograph ratings. So Smackdown gets more viewers but because AEW gets more in a certain age category they claim it as more.

    Doesn't make sense to me. Do people outside of that bracket not count like?
    The 18-49 male demographic is among the most valuable to advertisers. Its viewed that people in this category have some level of autonomy in their purchasing decisions, but are more less likely to have established brand loyalty.

    Like in the last 20 years, I've had toyotas, kias, fords, and a lincoln as vehicles. I will likely not go through as many different auto companies in the next 20 years.

    Advertisers expect I'll be less likely to flip companies as I get older. And often they're right. So they want to get me before I buy my 3rd apple product, and therefore never allowed to consider the specs on a competing product again.

    So shows with higher ratings in that demo can sell ads at a higher rate for shows that have the exact same viewership at different demographics.



    Which still is kind of a weird thing for companies or fans to flex on.

    Although I kinda have enjoyed Jericho calling himself a demo god anyway. What can I say? I can't stay mad at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    I don't get these demograph ratings. So Smackdown gets more viewers but because AEW gets more in a certain age category they claim it as more.

    Doesn't make sense to me. Do people outside of that bracket not count like?
    During the 30 minutes the 2 programs were head to head, more people watched AEW. Nothing to do with demographics. For the other 2 hours when Smackdown was on TV and AEW was not, Smackdown had more viewers.

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    Tony Khan is definitely in tool mode with how much he's boasted about this stuff lately.

    The important thing for me isn't so much AEW beating WWE but more that the closer they get, the more likely they are to sustain as competition and keep support from the network and all that jazz. Not only is that good for AEW, but I feel the more successes they have, the more WWE will feel pressured to give a full effort with their product regularly.

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    I'm a big believer in competition there as well.

    And honestly, I'm not a brand loyalist. I agree with Yes Movement Daniel Bryan "American Dragon" Danielsen. There's too much tribalism among fans.


    Like its fucking emotionally challenging to be both enjoying Roman Reigns' heel run and the potential for Hangman Page to go over Kenny Omega?


    And yes, I legitimately get more worried about the long-term sustainability the more I hear Tony Kahn talk. hopefully, as the inevitable bumps come his way, he brings it back in.

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    I think he's just playing off of the buzz and the idea that all publicity is good.

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    I don't get the fascination. I would enjoy talking someone who was in their 30's, 40's during the Monday Night Wars. Everyone of my older relatives or friends' siblings who were older, none of them watched wrestling. They knew The Rock, Stone Cold, nWo, but they also knew other shit that was popular-didn't mean they watched it. Obviously you look in the crowds and you see these people but were they truly brand loyal or were they just loyal to sports entertainment?

    That's why you'll hear Eric and Bruce talk about how it wasn't 9-10 million fans watching Nitro and Raw it was more like 7 maybe 8 million and a lot of channel surfing.

    I just think some fans get caught up in the mob mentality, like they're part of the company the same way I'm sure straw hat guy and Faith No More guitarist in the ECW crowd were.

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    If you watch WWE or any company and all you can think of is "I can't wait to shit on the other company when this is over!" You have a mental issue. It's weird.

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    You'll never look at Orange Cassidy the same way again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    You'll never look at Orange Cassidy the same way again.

    On the flip side:
    https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/...3zO71hNfg&s=19

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    Those versions both suck balls. This is the only persona he should be known for, the all powerful Fire Ant:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I think he's just playing off of the buzz and the idea that all publicity is good.
    He might be. He also might be James Dolan who thinks his dad's success makes him successful.

    But the whole "WWE watches AEW at NXT, we JUST CONCENTRATE on OUR SHOW', but also "I have more money than WWE and I can't wait to kick their ass straight up"


    Ultimately, its all a wash as long as AEW continues to put out a wrestling show I enjoy.

    But it seems like he's going to become a bit of card. Or maybe not. This is AEW's biggest spotlight. He might chill with thime.

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    He's not stupid, let's just make that perfectly clear. He's a super mark. When people watch AEW they need that anti-WWE rhetoric. They need Dan Lambert so they can pretend to boo the naysayers, the Jim Cornette's, the Russo's, whoever the fuck.

    See, 25-30 years ago, Vince McMahon would've been right there on Twitter, on the the Canadian talk shows, taking a shit on Tony Khan. In a way he still is, remember that line about how he said he would keep providing them talent? That was brilliant. Vince is just too old to truly give a shit about another wrestling company because despite demos and tv ratings, AEW doesn't have the global presence and that's fine. I don't know if that's Tony's goal.

    5 years from now will Tony Khan even be running AEW?

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    It's like watching ECW back in the day. I wasn't into Bischoff releasing the results of Raw, it honestly didn't bother me because A-I didn't know if he was lying and B-you can't get a real feel of the product by reading results.

    But ECW were ruthless, even when they were in business with the WWF at the time. And I think a lot of people tuned in to listen to Shane Douglas or Taz take a shit on Ric Flair, HBK, Vince, Hogan, etc. Whatever was mainstream, whatever was #1-fuck 'em.

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    Tony's gonna end up being the next Feinstein.

    You heard it here first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Tony's gonna end up being the next Feinstein.

    You heard it here first
    When I first read this, I saw it as Weinstein.


    I thought that he's a bit out there, but I'm not sure that we go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    When I first read this, I saw it as Weinstein.


    I thought that he's a bit out there, but I'm not sure that we go there.
    You were not alone in your first read assessment, ha.

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    Although, I do want Psych to now dive deeper into his Feinstein theory.

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    So is Khan going to get a #metoo moment? Or am I thinking of someone else?

    Psycho, how can you have such incredible taste in rap music (Going to see my favorite rapper GZA) yet act like such a jabroni? I guess I should ask myself that same question........

    From now on I will no longer shit on you.

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    Feinstein isn’t better then Weinstein, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    So is Khan going to get a #metoo moment? Or am I thinking of someone else?

    Psycho, how can you have such incredible taste in rap music (Going to see my favorite rapper GZA) yet act like such a jabroni? I guess I should ask myself that same question........

    From now on I will no longer shit on you.
    You're thinking of Weinstein (as we all were). And not Feinstein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    I'm glad it's finally official. Now if only Garcia had better taste in rap. Westside Gunn fucking sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I'm glad it's finally official. Now if only Garcia had better taste in rap. Westside Gunn fucking sucks.

    what about Austin gunn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    what about Austin gunn
    He's aight. I know you don't really watch Sammy's vlog but I think you'll like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    He's aight. I know you don't really watch Sammy's vlog but I think you'll like this.
    I do and I am excited. Always happy to see more Luchadors working in the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    You're thinking of Weinstein (as we all were). And not Feinstein.
    Oh I'm well aware of who is who. I thought maybe I was confusing Rob Black from XPW with Rob Feinstein (Founder of Ring of Honor/RF Video for those who don't know) but I just googled the Feinstein situation. He got Chris Hanson'd trying to meet a 14 year old boy.

    The thing with Tony is I don't really see him being about this life forever. He'll dip from AEW before Vince dies.

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    I was not aware of that Feinstein situation.

    Psycho has taken us to a dark place today.

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