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    The AEW shows are also still $10 in the states. It’s FREE if you subscribe to BRLive as a part of a promotion.

    wanna guess what BRLive costs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Yall used to get a free wwe ppv every other month...
    With adverts randomly cutting into the show. With censorship. Utopia sucked balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    you get free healthcare, you can pay 10 of the queen's pounds for a wrestling show
    We pay National Insurance, which directly pays for the NHS and Pensions.

    I mean, it's a wonderful system which I k ow you'd prefer to have, but it ain't free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    With adverts randomly cutting into the show. With censorship. Utopia sucked balls.
    Haha the best one was when Show returned in the Rumble one year, His music hit and it cut to ads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    With adverts randomly cutting into the show. With censorship. Utopia sucked balls.
    Free ain’t free, my guy.

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    Signing up for FITE for All or Nothing gave me free credits so it's free based on that. All 3 shows for £15 isn't bad at all, though I wouldn't be paying for this show for a tenner if that was the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Haha the best one was when Show returned in the Rumble one year, His music hit and it cut to ads.
    I remember @Ringo and @Torn telling me about that. Amazing stuff.

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    Backlash 2000 was worse, really randomly censored. Blood and table bumps gone, but most weapon shots and the Chyna stripping left in. I think they kept the Austin arson attack in as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    The AEW shows are also still $10 in the states. It’s FREE if you subscribe to BRLive as a part of a promotion.

    wanna guess what BRLive costs?
    It's free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    I remember @Ringo and @Torn telling me about that. Amazing stuff.
    In hindsight yes. 13 year old PG was not amused

    - - - Updated - - -

    Then again 13 year old PG was a Big Show mark so what did he know

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    AEW should bring back the crowd throwing trash at heels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Backlash 2000 was worse, really randomly censored. Blood and table bumps gone, but most weapon shots and the Chyna stripping left in. I think they kept the Austin arson attack in as well.
    Royal Rumble 2000 was the first show on Channel 4 and, appaz, the bosses at Channel 4 were horrified at what they saw. Mae stripping and the Foley/HHH match. So the next PPV, Backlash, aired on a 55 minute delay, with the cuts and censorship you mentioned. Then it was Fully Loaded and HHH bled buckets and they clearly just thought 'fuck it' and left it as. I mean, the alternative was cutting the second half of the match, so.

    They also had the rights to Sunday Night Heat and they stuck it on at like 3am every week. They clearly didn't want the product anymore after the very first show.

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    This got me back into the product, despite channel 4s shitness! Was at uni and we all started watching these.

    Backlash 2000 remains one of my all time fave PPVs

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    I'm pretty sure the one thing Real Sex taught me about your part of the world is that they have no issues showing unrated sex acts but take issue with pro wrasslin? Weird but hey whatever man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    AEW should bring back the crowd throwing trash at heels
    For an extra $5 fee at the door, members of the crowd will be handed a limited-edition AEW trash bag full of various garbage to throw at the heels.

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    Well it's over. Jinder Mahal just signed his WWE extension. I don't see AEW making it without that key acquisition. Pretty much no point in them trying to go forward from here.

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    YOU ARE SO HUMOROUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Well it's over. Jinder Mahal just signed his WWE extension. I don't see AEW making it without that key acquisition. Pretty much no point in them trying to go forward from here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    YOU ARE SO HUMOROUS.
    It actually was pretty fuckin funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    YOU ARE SO HUMOROUS.
    You misspelled hung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    You misspelled hung.
    Oh right.

    Hung are so humorous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    Oh right.

    Hung are so humorous.

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    Jinder Mahal is a God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    I'm pretty sure this guy had a 5 star match @ the Tokyo Dome against Kenny Omega.

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    Fuck that is cool. That’s good shit.

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    Nice that they continue to bash WWE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Nice that they continue to bash WWE.
    Well "they" isn't exactly correct. It's an unscripted promo from Joey so it's more Joey bashing WWE than "they"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    Well "they" isn't exactly correct. It's an unscripted promo from Joey so it's more Joey bashing WWE than "they"
    I understand, but it's a pre-made video, so someone in the company thought "That sounds great let's keep that in"

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    it's meant to build the story of the match, and it does that well. if you came away from it just thinking that it's an anti-wwe piece, then you are a moron or you just have a shitty new gimmick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    it's meant to build the story of the match, and it does that well. if you came away from it just thinking that it's an anti-wwe piece, then you are a moron or you just have a shitty new gimmick.
    There was definitely some digs at the WWE in that promo so I can understand certain fans who are just completely sick of AEW throwing shade toward the WWE because it's been a very cringey approach for many many years.

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    If I'm a moron or a gimmick poster, so be it, at least I'm not a piece of shit asshole.

    The way it was worded, mentioning "PG", etc. was certainly a dig at WWE. He could have gotten his point across fine without those shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    If I'm a moron or a gimmick poster, so be it, at least I'm not a piece of shit asshole.

    The way it was worded, mentioning "PG", etc. was certainly a dig at WWE. He could have gotten his point across fine without those shots.
    The point of the promo wasn't anti-WWE. It was about Moxley being a shadow of his former self because he couldn't be the real Moxley in WWE.

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    they are also factual elements of his character and part of the match build-up. i don't know why you get so angry and sensitive about it. weird as fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    The point of the promo wasn't anti-WWE. It was about Moxley being a shadow of his former self because he couldn't be the real Moxley in WWE.
    So anti-WWE lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    they are also factual elements of his character and part of the match build-up. i don't know why you get so angry and sensitive about it. weird as fuck.
    Naw dude you are weird as fuck with your constant desire to shit on people's opinions like you have all the answers. Quit being a dork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    at least I'm not a piece of shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Naw dude you are weird as fuck with your constant desire to shit on people's opinions like you have all the answers. Quit being a dork.
    how ironic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    So anti-WWE lol



    Naw dude you are weird as fuck with your constant desire to shit on people's opinions like you have all the answers. Quit being a dork.
    *Shrug* Take it as you will. The promo wasn't meant to be a dig at WWE and is the kind of fodder that should always be used in promos. It wasn't like Janela was cutting a promo saying, "WWE sucks and everyone should come to AEW and watch our show and never watch WWE again.". That's not what the promo was. It used an aspect of real life to fuel the match with Moxley and make it seem like it matters more than just a neat match-up on a piece of paper. anti-WWE was such a small part of it that it's silly for Donald to be bitching about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    how ironic
    ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    *Shrug* Take it as you will. The promo wasn't meant to be a dig at WWE and is the kind of fodder that should always be used in promos. It wasn't like Janela was cutting a promo saying, "WWE sucks and everyone should come to AEW and watch our show and never watch WWE again.". That's not what the promo was. It used an aspect of real life to fuel the match with Moxley and make it seem like it matters more than just a neat match-up on a piece of paper. anti-WWE was such a small part of it that it's silly for Donald to be bitching about it.
    I don't think it's silly. I think it's typical of certain fans and we've seen it a lot these last few days where anyone who speaks ill of non-WWE promotions they're somehow "bitching" but talent from other places like NJPW or AEW are ok......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    ?



    I don't think it's silly. I think it's typical of certain fans and we've seen it a lot these last few days where anyone who speaks ill of non-WWE promotions they're somehow "bitching" but talent from other places like NJPW or AEW are ok......
    I honestly think it's silly on both sides. I don't care about all that.
    I'm talking about right here and now, and I think it's silly to bitch about a damn storyline. If he wants to bitch about Cody destroying HHH's throne or something, be my guest. But this is such a silly nitpick of a small part of an otherwise cool promo. It's no different than when people cut promos saying, "But this is the big leagues. You're not wrestling in a bingo hall any more."

    I don't hear him complaining about that.

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    that is a cool promo. the production and sound quality was a bit shit though.

    why are these guys feuding though? whats the backstory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spedizzo View Post
    that is a cool promo. the production and sound quality was a bit shit though.

    why are these guys feuding though? whats the backstory?
    That's the thing. There isn't a lot. Essentially, both are just known for deathmatch style wrestling so it was booked as a sort of dream match. I assume they've traded some barbs on the YouTube series', but adding this later in this one promo made it seem more personal. And that's why I think to take away, "Oh, Janela was just shitting on WWE" from the promo is to miss the entire point.

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    one criticism i will level against AEW is how they're treating their world title. the way they've gone about it really doesn't make it feel like a big deal. adam page was in a geek match on the first show and doesn't look to be doing anything really attention-getting until his title match with jericho. i don't think any of it will matter much once they get on TV with a strong champ (jericho) already crowned, but they could have done this a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I honestly think it's silly on both sides. I don't care about all that.
    I'm talking about right here and now, and I think it's silly to bitch about a damn storyline. If he wants to bitch about Cody destroying HHH's throne or something, be my guest. But this is such a silly nitpick of a small part of an otherwise cool promo. It's no different than when people cut promos saying, "But this is the big leagues. You're not wrestling in a bingo hall any more."

    I don't hear him complaining about that.
    If we're talking about RIGHT HERE AND NOW, why bring up some hypothetical promo that you think he may or may not complain about?

    Your example makes absolutely no sense lol. So he's "complaining" about a promo being anti-WWE, but he should also complain about a promo that's PRO-WWE? Lol. what the fuck? That's probably why he's not complaining if say Roman Reigns tells Tommy Dreamer that the WWE isn't a bingo hall it's the big leagues.............Because Donald agrees with Roman because it's a PRO WWE COMMENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    If we're talking about RIGHT HERE AND NOW, why bring up some hypothetical promo that you think he may or may not complain about?

    Your example makes absolutely no sense lol. So he's "complaining" about a promo being anti-WWE, but he should also complain about a promo that's PRO-WWE? Lol. what the fuck? That's probably why he's not complaining if say Roman Reigns tells Tommy Dreamer that the WWE isn't a bingo hall it's the big leagues.............Because Donald agrees with Roman because it's a PRO WWE COMMENT.
    My point is a comment like that in a promo is anti-Indy. It's meant to belittle everything the performer did outside the promotion. And it's common use in promos that make feuds feel like they have more weight. While some real feelings might be involved, the point isn't about being anti-Indy, it's about how it plays a part in the conflict between two wrestlers. And that's great storytelling. To overlook that to say, "But fuck Roman for saying the Indies are shit" is just missing out on a good piece of wrestling entertainment.

    Donald's free to enjoy whatever he wants, and I know he's actually given occasional praise to AEW. But that won't stop me from thinking his comments about a 2-minute promo are petty as fuck.

    But at this point, I'm arguing with someone else about a comment that someone else made, and I think that's dumb. So add more if you want Nash, but I'm moving on.

    AEW IS GREAT AND IS GONNA KILL WWE YOU GUYS OMG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    My point is a comment like that in a promo is anti-Indy. It's meant to belittle everything the performer did outside the promotion. And it's common use in promos that make feuds feel like they have more weight. While some real feelings might be involved, the point isn't about being anti-Indy, it's about how it plays a part in the conflict between two wrestlers. And that's great storytelling. To overlook that to say, "But fuck Roman for saying the Indies are shit" is just missing out on a good piece of wrestling entertainment.

    Donald's free to enjoy whatever he wants, and I know he's actually given occasional praise to AEW. But that won't stop me from thinking his comments about a 2-minute promo are petty as fuck.

    But at this point, I'm arguing with someone else about a comment that someone else made, and I think that's dumb. So add more if you want Nash, but I'm moving on.

    AEW IS GREAT AND IS GONNA KILL WWE YOU GUYS OMG
    But why would Donald complain about an anti-indy promo?

    At this point it's evolved a little more into just the whole idea that too many companies rely on trying to bury WWE and some fans do get annoyed with it. So if they read a little too deep into a promo where they in fact knocked the WWE, then don't just chalk it up to Donald being a bitch about it.

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    Show ordered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spedizzo View Post
    that is a cool promo. the production and sound quality was a bit shit though.

    why are these guys feuding though? whats the backstory?
    Mox used to be the Internet deathmatch indie scene guy who would cut these great shakes can promos. Janela has “quit” deathmatch wrestling, but he’s very well known for his penchant to build up to these deathmatches where he takes insane bumps (look up he and zandig going off a roof). The story here is that Janela is the “bad boy” of wrestling these days who does all the cigarette smoking and cutting his own style promos - a lot of the shit Mox used to do. Now that Moxley is back, Janela doubts that Mox still has that violent drive that used to make him Jon fucking Moxley and Mox is ready to prove to Janela, and the world, that he’s more than the wacky Ambrose character and that he’s still one sick son of a bitch.

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    I don't know where to post this, so this feels like the best place

    I do not see the appeal of Flip Gordon, at all.

    at all.

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    Be careful about a negative opinion about something, you'll be told you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    I don't know where to post this, so this feels like the best place

    I do not see the appeal of Flip Gordon, at all.

    at all.
    Hes pretty slow for a cruiserweight.

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    Thats not at all what happens to you and you know it. Stop playing the victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Hes pretty slow for a cruiserweight.

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    Thats not at all what happens to you and you know it. Stop playing the victim.
    makes even less sense since almost all the negative opinions about the wwe he sees he tries to minimize by saying it's just people trying to 'be cool' by hating on them. the passive aggressive moping is not only lame, but hypocritical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    I don't know where to post this, so this feels like the best place

    I do not see the appeal of Flip Gordon, at all.

    at all.
    Donít recall ever seeing him, but I donít get Orange Cassidy. Fuck that shit.

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    Orange Cassidy when he’s actuay wrestling is very, very good. Much better than Flippy Gordo.

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    I'll never understand the appeal of Flip Gordon. He's your everyday Indy wrestler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Don’t recall ever seeing him, but I don’t get Orange Cassidy. Fuck that shit.
    At least he has controversial schtick, so I get not seeing appeal. Flip is just boring and generic in every instance I've ever seen him.

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    Should be a good show tonight. Looking forward to it.

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    I think we're at an interesting discussion point now for the company.

    We've see one legit show, one semi cross branded show, and a benefit show. Do we feel better or worse about the prospects of AEW for the next year and beyond?

    Just a quick look at pros and cons:

    Pros
    - The wrestling is showing promise of being very good. They provide nice diversity in terms of talent and the actual outline or flow of matches when you go across the card.
    - They're willing to try different things in terms of venues and production themes.
    - There's plenty of potential with their developing performers. MJF, Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy, Darby Allin amongst others are under the radar performers that have a chance to build over time.
    - Joshi performers are a nice element that provide further depth to a relatively thin division.
    - Tag team wrestling is definitely a strength for them.

    Cons
    - Production still seems to be an issue. The finish of Fight for the Fallen was so clunky and really a bad look.
    - Commentary. They need to move Marvez to a backstage or ringside act and use him in that role. Otherwise, Excalibur is solid and JR should be passable in his role.
    - Booking can still be remotely questionable right now when it comes to timing out matches.
    - Ancillary storytelling through backstage segments or interviews leaves a lot to the imagination at this point. They're not really using it.

    For now, I think there's still enough good to outweigh the bad and they've got foundational pieces that can lead to upward growth. Again, it's just going to be a matter of if they can get a viewership, maintain it, and build on it.

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    For me it's still too early. As a wrestling fan of 30+ years, I've seen so much that it's hard to gauge where a company will be down the road based on 3 shows. We need to see the weekly show, we need to see the rivalries. They have the benefit of social media, websites, etc. that can help establish talent, rivalries leading up to October when they debut on TNT so that's good.

    Then we can see what kind of company they want to be. Are they going to be sports entertainment and tell stories and build their tv show based on the WWE blueprint....Or will they try to stay more along the lines of NOAH or New Japan where there's not a lot of emphasis on "acting" so to speak. For example, I don't remember the last New Japan show where a big dude flipped over a semi in protest to the NJPW authority figure lol.

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    I think it will be easier for AEW when they have their weekly show. Then we can get behind the wrestlers because we will know who they are, their backstory and motivations. Right now, for me, and I had this problem with the Evolve show I watched on Saturday, was it was just two guys I haven't heard of fighting. The only matches that interested me were the ones that involved familiar talent. I'm excited to learn more about talent, and that will make the big PPV shows even greater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I think it will be easier for AEW when they have their weekly show. Then we can get behind the wrestlers because we will know who they are, their backstory and motivations. Right now, for me, and I had this problem with the Evolve show I watched on Saturday, was it was just two guys I haven't heard of fighting. The only matches that interested me were the ones that involved familiar talent. I'm excited to learn more about talent, and that will make the big PPV shows even greater.
    Exactly! I have no issues with watching a wrestling match between people I'm not familiar with but it doesn't hurt to have a little backstory to go along with it. Unless it's literally just a match to have a match. But at least I would know the characters involved.

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    I would say that Evolve show did a much better job of outlining characters and motivations compared to what AEW has done within a given show. AEW does take advantage of social media to build things up but not so much during the actual show. Also, their buy-ins have not been that good in terms of trying to suggest someone who casually came across it on YouTube needs to get B/R Live or whatever to actually watch the show. The things on the buy-ins have been well below par to the actual shows.

    Also...I really wouldn't put it past WWE to use this as a soft opening of sorts with Evolve and the Network. It's been rumored for so long, in the addition of tiered pricing. But the long game would be that FS1 gets NXT and there's competition on Wednesday nights and Evolve takes over NXT's slot on the Network. In this hypothetical, I would assume Takeovers still remain on the Network but the weekly shows go to FS1.

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    There is so much content on the Network, the last thing I personally want to deal with is a company that's the farm league to the farm league. Half the show consisted of talent already in the WWE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    There is so much content on the Network, the last thing I personally want to deal with is a company that's the farm league to the farm league. Half the show consisted of talent already in the WWE.
    The issue I had with the Evolve show was the main event. Do you really think WWE would have Tozawa win the NXT title, when to the best of my knowledge he has never bene on NXT? I would have rather seen Drew Gulak vs Tozawa and Cole vs Riddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    The issue I had with the Evolve show was the main event. Do you really think WWE would have Tozawa win the NXT title, when to the best of my knowledge he has never bene on NXT? I would have rather seen Drew Gulak vs Tozawa and Cole vs Riddle.
    That's what I was thinking. Those matches made zero sense. They were cool to see but made no sense.

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    Is Chris Jericho still good? I haven't seen him since he last appeared in WWE, I guess it was the Greatest Royal Rumble. I know he's pushing 50. I'm guessing the thought process is having a recognizable name to pull viewers in, but I hope they don't put the world title on him. I think I heard he's got a gut going on, which is fine I suppose because we all have one.

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    He's embracing more of a brawler, working outside of the ring approach. Certainly alleviates some of the concern of working a more technical match but he's still capable in the ring.

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    AEW having their first World champion come down to Adam Page or Chris Jericho is a very odd decision if you ask me. And we've discussed why quite a bit but oh well lol. Jericho is a very recognizable name and the AEW fanbase for the most part has a ton of respect and love for Jericho. I can respect why he would be in this position.

    Adam Page on the other hand.......I don't really ever hear a lot of buzz for the guy. He doesn't have much of a personality, his wrestling ability is average, and he looks like average. Plus, where are his fans? HIS fans. Not the fans of Bullet Club or AEW, but Adam Page fans. Where are they? So you're willing to put the belt on a guy IMHO just to do something way out of left field.

    Remember when NWA-TNA came about and the last 2 men that battle royal for the new NWA World champion came down to was Ken Shamrock and Malice aka the Wall? Yeah this is what it reminds me of. But at least the NWA belt wasn't a brand brand new championship. So having Ken win it, and then lose 2-3 weeks later, it wasn't that big of a deal I guess but it was still fucking strange.

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    Watching the Tony Khan interview post-Fight for the Fallen, and twice now he's name-dropped Champaign, IL as the place he grew up, which is where I currently live. That's crazy to think, but it also makes so much damn sense the more I see this dude.

    A more relevant and hilarious tidbit from the interview was that he got the idea for the venue set-up from the WTF episode of South Park
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    this video is great. very nice recap of some FFTF stuff by big tony schiavone, and that hangman vingette was fantastic. very, very simple, but made me feel any kind of way about page for the first time ever. him ripping the stitches out was badass.

    the spears interview was good. i loved that they filmed it in some executive suite at the jags stadium instead of some tight, dimly lit room like WWE does for the michael cole sit-down stuff. bright and open. i really liked JR here, though spears part felt very much like he was cutting a wrestling promo, whereas JR was very casual and conversational. but the point they were trying to get across worked well, and spears bringing in tully blanchard at the end was a nice surprise.

    i hope we can expect more of this kind of stuff heading forward and onto the weekly tv.

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    I kind of get the feeling the Road To shows have been more of a taste of what we can expect from the TV shows, at least as far as the backstage, non-arena stuff. I'll have to give this one a watch soon. Sounds like good stuff.

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    AEW's willingness to give anybody a shot is great. And terrible.

    Darby Allin? Good.

    A guy with no legs who looks like a sack of potatoes in a battle royal? Bad.

    Jungle Boy? Good.

    Jimmy Havoc? Fucking terrible.

    You get the idea.

    Alex Marvez still looks like a hostage reading a prepared statement at gunpoint every time he's on camera. Excalibur would be great if they'd just take the mask off. Announcers don't need gimmicks. Its stupid. Jim Ross is a good anchor and a good lead guy for the younger dudes and the terrorist hostages reading prepared statements under the penalty of death. Keep him, he's good.

    AEW has the potential to take on WWE in terms of budget and presentation. In terms of wrestling, they're there. They just need to cut down on the worst habits of their booking, ditch the WrestleCrap bullshit (Sunny Kiss, the pocket dumb fuck, the sack of potatoes, the librarians, the stupid cunt with the baby oil) and focus on all the shit that works. They're 99% of the way there. Its the 1% of the stupid shit that's going to make them look like idiots and lose them viewers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    AEW's willingness to give anybody a shot is great. And terrible.

    Darby Allin? Good.

    A guy with no legs who looks like a sack of potatoes in a battle royal? Bad.

    Jungle Boy? Good.

    Jimmy Havoc? Fucking terrible.

    You get the idea.

    Alex Marvez still looks like a hostage reading a prepared statement at gunpoint every time he's on camera. Excalibur would be great if they'd just take the mask off. Announcers don't need gimmicks. Its stupid. Jim Ross is a good anchor and a good lead guy for the younger dudes and the terrorist hostages reading prepared statements under the penalty of death. Keep him, he's good.

    AEW has the potential to take on WWE in terms of budget and presentation. In terms of wrestling, they're there. They just need to cut down on the worst habits of their booking, ditch the WrestleCrap bullshit (Sunny Kiss, the pocket dumb fuck, the sack of potatoes, the librarians, the stupid cunt with the baby oil) and focus on all the shit that works. They're 99% of the way there. Its the 1% of the stupid shit that's going to make them look like idiots and lose them viewers.
    In Excalibur's defense he is just sticking to Lucha tradition. He used to be a wrestler so that's why he still dons the mask.

    And what do you mean announcers don't need gimmicks? Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler are probably the most iconic duo in pro wrestling broadcasting. Notice how Lawler fell off once he ditched the King attire and JR is ass without his hat.

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    AEW is trying too hard to be "inclusive" but wrestling only works when the wrestlers are "must see".

    I don't care if you are bisexual, asexual, a dinosaur, two gendered, 1 gendered, a weird spectrum-changing gender. just be good at wrestling.

    I dont need to see a mexican, a woman, a black person, a gay person, a disabled person, a japanese person, a canadian, a british guy, an american, a russian, and a furry on every show. Can't leave anyone out.

    Stupid

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    JUST ANNOUNCED:

    AEW will air LIVE every Wednesday night on TNT from 8PM ET to 10PM ET starting October 2. And the first show is in DC!

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    Can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greebull View Post
    JUST ANNOUNCED:

    AEW will air LIVE every Wednesday night on TNT from 8PM ET to 10PM ET starting October 2. And the first show is in DC!
    Very exciting. They're smart. Wednesday is really the only night they could fuck with. Monday/Tuesday are not in their best interest RIGHT NOW. Thursday is a hot night for prime time and the weekends fucking blow.

    Although correct me if I'm wrong, by this time SD will be on Friday's on Fox so maybe Tuesday wouldn't have been that bad.

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    It would have been a problem with Turner because they will air NBA on Tuesday's during the second half of the season. Monday probably wasn't ideal because they don't want to go right against Raw, same for Friday. So that really only left Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    It would have been a problem with Turner because they will air NBA on Tuesday's during the second half of the season. Monday probably wasn't ideal because they don't want to go right against Raw, same for Friday. So that really only left Wednesday.
    Ah yeah NBA on Turesdays, forgot about that. Wednesday works out great for them imo. Maybe some kids might be at church that night but other than that, Wrestling on Wednesday=fuck yeah. NXT, NXT UK, and AEW on the same night? Dope.

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    Very cool. Definitely looking forward to this.

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    If Lex Luger doesn't show up unannounced it'll be a flop.

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    As for right now, I'd probably watch NXT live and then watch AEW later. To be honest, I probably wouldn't watch either live but NXT would get the first view. Can easily change over time, but that's how I'm looking at it...not that anybody cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    As for right now, I'd probably watch NXT live and then watch AEW later. To be honest, I probably wouldn't watch either live but NXT would get the first view. Can easily change over time, but that's how I'm looking at it...not that anybody cares.
    haha. I care!

    Having the luxury of being able to watch NXT whenever I want is probably what will keep me watching AEW live and then NXT after. Now, if they move NXT to FS1 then that will be a tough call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    haha. I care!

    Having the luxury of being able to watch NXT whenever I want is probably what will keep me watching AEW live and then NXT after. Now, if they move NXT to FS1 then that will be a tough call.
    Lol, thanks.

    Next to nothing in terms of episodic wrestling is getting a live watch from me but I’ll generally watch shortly after something starts and catch up. I was making my outline regardless of FS1 or not. I do think NXT is going to FS1 and it’s just a matter of when. Regardless of 1 or 2 hours for NXT, it’d still get my first viewing for Wednesday wrestling. Need to see more from AEW and the actual TV product before considering switching the order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Lol, thanks.

    Next to nothing in terms of episodic wrestling is getting a live watch from me but I’ll generally watch shortly after something starts and catch up. I was making my outline regardless of FS1 or not. I do think NXT is going to FS1 and it’s just a matter of when. Regardless of 1 or 2 hours for NXT, it’d still get my first viewing for Wednesday wrestling. Need to see more from AEW and the actual TV product before considering switching the order.
    See I think if I don't give AEW the benefit of the doubt right off the bat and don't watch it live (considering I have no clue if they'll have past episodes on some on-demand type service), then I'll never be totally into it. I'm just like that. Like with these fucking Marvel movies. I couuldn't just go to Black Panther and call it good lol. I'd have to go back and start with Iron Man or whatever was first. Or not fuck with it at all.

    We're too old.

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    so far for the first 10/2 tnt show is

    Cody vs Sammy Guevara
    Young bucks and Kenny Omega vs Chris Jecicho and two mystery partners

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    Geriatricho says we won't believe who his partners are. Probably Knobs and Saggs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Geriatricho says we won't believe who his partners are. Probably Knobs and Saggs.
    Jericho's pretty slick so I'm thinking we're not even thinking outside the box enough. The Outsiders? Or maybe it's 2 guys that aren't even a team. Maybe we're looking at Jon Moxley, who attacked Jericho so people would be like "Whoa I thought they hated each other?", and maybe John Morrison as a "wtf" moment.

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    I'm prepared to be underwhelmed because Jericho has been underwhelming since DON.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I'm prepared to be underwhelmed because Jericho has been underwhelming since DON.
    To be fair, what exactly has he even done since Double or Nothing? A bunch of Fozzy shows and beating up Adam Page.

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    The beatdown was nothing new, the promo at Fight for the Fallen was unscripted (as he boasted) and you could tell because it was bloated/rehashing the promo within the promo, and he meandered again on BTE. His gimmick is fine, but he’s not nearly impressive as a talker right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    The beatdown was nothing new, the promo at Fyter Fest was terrible, and he meandered again on BTE.
    Well yeah I mean people getting beatdown in wrestling isn't exactly groundbreaking after 60 years and running lol.

    I need to watch BTE. I never have time to and when I do have time I forget about it and check out something like 83 weeks instead. I wasn't negative to the promo @ Fyter Fest, but I'm also not a big Jericho guy. A lot of people hold him to a very high standard, he's shelled out some turds both on the mic and in the ring. I didn't start liking him until he started the 2nd feud with HBK and he had the new trunks and short hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Well yeah I mean people getting beatdown in wrestling isn't exactly groundbreaking after 60 years and running lol.

    I need to watch BTE. I never have time to and when I do have time I forget about it and check out something like 83 weeks instead. I wasn't negative to the promo @ Fyter Fest, but I'm also not a big Jericho guy. A lot of people hold him to a very high standard, he's shelled out some turds both on the mic and in the ring. I didn't start liking him until he started the 2nd feud with HBK and he had the new trunks and short hair.
    I’d say what he did with his NJPW or even All-In attacks were a nice or relatively fresh spin. Both mask gags played off the fact it had to do with his opponent or the attacked person had just faced a person who had that mask.

    It just feels like he thinks he needs to keep talking because he knows he can. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I felt like he could the FF promo twice in the span of one go lol. It was kind of funny that he presented himself as a big deal and probably inadvertently showed he was beside a convenience store or gas station to cut his BTE mailbag promo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I’d say what he did with his NJPW or even All-In attacks were a nice or relatively fresh spin. Both mask gags played off the fact it had to do with his opponent or the attacked person had just faced a person who had that mask.

    It just feels like he thinks he needs to keep talking because he knows he can. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I felt like he could the FF promo twice in the span of one go lol. It was kind of funny that he presented himself as a big deal and probably inadvertently showed he was beside a convenience store or gas station to cut his BTE mailbag promo.
    My boss met Bill Murray at a gas station and it wasn't some Back to the Future 2 pimp shit lol.

    And the masks....I imagine there would be people going "oh he did the mask thing AGAIN? How original....." Win some you lose some. I have faith in Jericho delivering here. Even if it's something out of left field like Lance Storm and Dean Malenko.

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    I don't think this boom that people are thinking about is going to happen. It had it's peak, and I don't think it's going to rise again. AEW may start out strong, no doubt about it, but ratings will drop after a month or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I don't think this boom that people are thinking about is going to happen. It had it's peak, and I don't think it's going to rise again. AEW may start out strong, no doubt about it, but ratings will drop after a month or two.
    The problem is we're anticipating something that can't be predicted. Just like WWE trying to mold a Rock/Steve Austin level star with Roman Reigns for example. They think catching lightning in a bottle is like catching a beach ball.

    The thing with trying to attach AEW to a wrestling boom is that they're unproven. At least WCW had all that NWA history intertwined and a presence in the industry for many years on TBS leading up to the debut of Nitro. It's also a totally different era in terms of how we digest what we watch. So I think the definition of a "wrestling boom period" should also be redefined because 24 years ago when the MNW started you didn't have any options other than cable tv to watch Nitro and Raw.

    Now....the platforms are much more diverse and convenient. Not to mention, pro wrestling isn't the only major niche form of entertainment. That's why it was so strong in certain periods in the past.

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    aew on tnt locations for weeks two and three announced. week two in boston, week three in philly. i'll definitely be trying to go to the philly show.

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