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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    I mean I've listed performers who I like in here. I've listed things I don't like in here. I think it's perfectly fine to discuss these things on a forum designed to discuss but since it's not I guess I'll just keep my thoughts to myself. Sorry for not going 100% fanboy over aew. Guess Nash was right.
    *checking the weather reports for hell, we got an ice age*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    it's definitely the B show
    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    They changed the graphic. I think because people were making fun of how Adam Cole looked. Some people were saying that was his face when Vince told him he was going to be a manager.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    it's definitely the B show
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    Not that there's anything wrong with that.
    Despite WWE and its obvious creative problems, calling Smackdown a B show is a bit harsh. It’s easily more digestible than Raw (not that that is tremendously difficult) but they are generally very good and much better than Raw for longer term match storytelling and though the Bloodline dominate, it has a point.

    In all of WWE’s problems (bearing in mind I haven’t seen SD tonight yet but the card looks action-packed) it is in the most part a generally well-written show. It definitely doesn’t deserve the same haze that Raw gets.

    However in the grand scheme mainstream side of things, it is put across as the “B show” to the casual which is a shame. Raw is and will always be their baby where most of the major stuff happens which is shite and it still is shite except for RK-Bro right now and Damien Priest. Two things they are getting right. Morrison, great babyface potential which they are pissing out the window right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Despite WWE and its obvious creative problems, calling Smackdown a B show is a bit harsh. It’s easily more digestible than Raw (not that that is tremendously difficult) but they are generally very good and much better than Raw for longer term match storytelling and though the Bloodline dominate, it has a point.

    In all of WWE’s problems (bearing in mind I haven’t seen SD tonight yet but the card looks action-packed) it is in the most part a generally well-written show. It definitely doesn’t deserve the same haze that Raw gets.
    He's saying Rampage is the B show. Smackdown is the A show for WWE. Everyone knows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    He's saying Rampage is the B show. Smackdown is the A show for WWE. Everyone knows that.
    I thought they were on about the Raw/Dynamite thing but yeah of course Rampage will be the B show. But they’re damned good at it and had a helluva start but they can’t expect that every week.

    Rampage is like the old school Sunday Night Heat WWF/E had in the Attitude Era. Small but advances storylines and serves its purpose. Of course Punk, Cole, Bryan won’t be on it every week but will get attention from someone.

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    That Slingshot DDT to the outside apron by Andrade to Pac was pretty nuts.

    Pretty good little match these guys are having.

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    It's crazy the mobility Andrade has in dress pants.

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    Ha, exactly.

    That was probably the best Andrade match I've ever seen. Guy had some fire tonight.

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    His last match on Dynamite was good too. I hope he starts destroying jobbers on Dark and moving up the rankings.

    I fully expect to see Flair on Wednesday.

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    Really strong match. Andrade looked great in his debut, whereas PAC looked like money even while losing.

    Interested to see if the rest of the show can carry this momentum well.

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    I'm watching TNT on the Sling app and I just saw I can watch previous Dynamite shows on demand dating back a couple months.

    I guess my Saturday is booked.

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    Glad they’ve dropped the Vicky partnership they had. No offense against her but they had zero in common other than speaking a bit of Spanish. He’s got good vets around him speaking for him.

    Also on the Vicky point, she’s not really added anything for Nyla either. I think this is like the JR thing where even if they are well past their sell-by date, they are doing them favours which is nice of them.

    #harshbuttrue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Really strong match. Andrade looked great in his debut, whereas PAC looked like money even while losing.

    Interested to see if the rest of the show can carry this momentum well.
    his rampage debut? cause this wasn't his first AEW match.

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    I actually have enjoyed hearing JR and Schiavone on the call. Maybe The novelty will wear off but not yet.

    Enjoying Mark Henry tonight too. His voice sounds smooth and confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Despite WWE and its obvious creative problems, calling Smackdown a B show is a bit harsh
    There's always going to be an A show and a B show. You can't have two A shows. That isn't a negative, though. Not on its face at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I'm watching TNT on the Sling app and I just saw I can watch previous Dynamite shows on demand dating back a couple months.
    I would be interested if we could start from the beginning, but that would probably require a new streaming app.

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    I'm glad not to have Jericho yelling on commentary, and I like Jericho. I still miss Excalibur.

    Andrade continues to upgrade. From Vicky to Chavo and Ric Flair next. Wooooo. Also yeah, his first match was Matt Sydal in July. It was a good match too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    his rampage debut? cause this wasn't his first AEW match.
    Oh that's right, he wrestled Sydal, didn't he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I actually have enjoyed hearing JR and Schiavone on the call. Maybe The novelty will wear off but not yet.

    Enjoying Mark Henry tonight too. His voice sounds smooth and confident.
    schiavone is my favorite part of the commentary, even after two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I actually have enjoyed hearing JR and Schiavone on the call. Maybe The novelty will wear off but not yet.

    Enjoying Mark Henry tonight too. His voice sounds smooth and confident.
    It’s probably good for someone just catching on at first, but his mistakes though endearing at first have happened too often for me. Harsh as this is and as nice as they are to him, he’s like Old Yeller waiting to die and they’ve got plenty on colour who can manage.

    I’d like to remember him for who he was and as nice as they are to him, the more he’s on, the more I tune him out and listen to the others.

    Schiavone is still great though. I love last week how they had Cole acknowledge his friendship with Britt.

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    I really dig Jamie Hayter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I really dig Jamie Hayter
    *BONK*

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    Of course Mox does the good paradigm shift to Caster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Of course Mox does the good paradigm shift to Caster.
    To be fair to the guy, it’s likely a very tricky move to pull off safely all the time. Last week, he possibly realised by instinct (which is good on his part) that it wouldn’t go safely so hence the slight flip. Also Suzuki not a spring chicken and maybe positioning wrong.

    It may not be as much a botch as adjusting for safety.

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    The way he did it last week is basically the Death Rider variation band it used to look good in New Japan. He should probably just stick with the DDT one. It's convincing enough.

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    When is Moxley actually going to get back in the normal mix? Not poo-pooing him working with the NJPW guys but is a bit weird in a way that all this shit is going on around him and he’s working with NJPW guys (which don’t get me wrong a great working relationship).

    I miss his old theme and him being in the normal mix though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I really dig Jamie Hayter
    I was thinking the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    To be fair to the guy, it’s likely a very tricky move to pull off safely all the time. Last week, he possibly realised by instinct (which is good on his part) that it wouldn’t go safely so hence the slight flip. Also Suzuki not a spring chicken and maybe positioning wrong.

    It may not be as much a botch as adjusting for safety.
    he's been doing it for months, to everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    he's been doing it for months, to everybody.
    Gonna hold my hands up to not paying attention to his recent matches. Maybe partly because I miss him in the normal mix and glaze over his recent stuff.

    Again because I miss him in the normal mix. I even miss his previous theme. I get why they do “Wild Thing” but I want him back in the regular storylines because I miss him there going nuts. He should be tearing the Elite’s heads off by now.

    End game most of the time (and forgive me if I’ve missed any where he’s lost) has been Mox going over. Kayfabe-wise, doesn’t seem to be much of a challenge.
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    Good opening match. Both guys worked their butts off.

    How has Pro Wrestling Tees not just put out a white T-Shirt with maybe one speck of a dragon on it or something and called that the official Bryan Danielson tee? My man loves wearing a white tee haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Gonna hold my hands up to not paying attention to his recent matches. Maybe partly because I miss him in the normal mix and glaze over his recent stuff.

    Again because I miss him in the normal mix. I even miss his previous theme. I get why they do “Wild Thing” but I want him back in the regular storylines because I miss him there going nuts. He should be tearing the Elite’s heads off by now.

    End game most of the time (and forgive me if I’ve missed any where he’s lost) has been Mox going over. Kayfabe-wise, doesn’t seem to be much of a challenge.
    what are you even talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    what are you even talking about.
    Essentially I don’t pay as much attention to the Mox stuff now as much when he’s not in the regular storylines. This is not a criticism btw as it’s great but maybe I’m too used to him or missing him kicking the shit out of Omega, MJF et al.

    That’s not a knock on them, but I just can’t get into that. Selfish on my part but I prefer him to go back to the regular every week AEW guys. Especially now with the acquisitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Good opening match. Both guys worked their butts off.

    How has Pro Wrestling Tees not just put out a white T-Shirt with maybe one speck of a dragon on it or something and called that the official Bryan Danielson tee? My man loves wearing a white tee haha.
    Just a white shirt with a picture of hard man nips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Just a white shirt with a picture of hard man nips.
    #1 seller

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Essentially I don’t pay as much attention to the Mox stuff now as much when he’s not in the regular storylines. This is not a criticism btw as it’s great but maybe I’m too used to him or missing him kicking the shit out of Omega, MJF et al.

    That’s not a knock on them, but I just can’t get into that. Selfish on my part but I prefer him to go back to the regular every week AEW guys. Especially now with the acquisitions.
    he faced kojima and suzuki in the last week. he faced nagata back in may. everybody else has been AEW guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    he faced kojima and suzuki in the last week. he faced nagata back in may. everybody else has been AEW guys.
    Yeah true and maybe not expressed myself totally well as an aware and did enjoy the tag stuff with Kingston.

    Main event title picture him not being in it at this point after being a feature for so long. Maybe just not still not quite used to him taking a small step down (the theme thing is my personal thing, I loved the old one so much and headbang to it) but yeah thatís beside the point.

    As great as what heís doing now (and maybe partially due to my ignorance of NJPW and his history with those guys) but what heís doing now, thereís nothing recent thatís made me sit up and go ďHoly shit, he might actually lose to this guy!Ē Apart from the dirty Omega title loss (deliberately leaving out the death match fake explosion match as less said about that the better), decent tag stuff with Kingston but nothing about him in singles says heís beatable at the moment.

    No doubt it will happen and I do enjoy overall what is going on. This is just a small petty thing on my part. Love what theyíre doing otherwise. Maybe a bit too protected lately but I can also see why as well.

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    I think it's fair to say Moxley hasn't been a part of any meaningful stories with AEW guys since he came back from break.

    That said, I also think it's fine. Moxley is probably loving wrestling the New Japan guys and is mostly there to pop the crowd and send the live crowd home happy while they focus on the new signees and some of the up-and-comers. I think that's fine as long as they find a meaningful program for him by Revolution or Double or Nothing. Not really interested in running Mox/Omega back any time soon and I think I prefer Eddie getting the TNT Title from Miro, so I'm not sure what his next in-house feud should be, though. Would be kind of cool to see him put over Ricky Starks after he inevitably does the job to Punk.

    I'm also down for something big like a full program with Tanahashi or one of the top players from New Japan, but I'm not holding out for that unless they're really going to dig into a deeper feud with Suzuki/Archer.

    As sort of a closer, I think it's fine using Moxley the way they are from a business/booking standpoint, but I could see how it's disappointing if you're in Badger's position who, if I'm not mistaken, started watching AEW more recently and loves Mox. But if you were there from early on, Mox was all over AEW so much the first year and a half that I'm ok with him taking a backseat and popping the crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I think it's fair to say Moxley hasn't been a part of any meaningful stories with AEW guys since he came back from break.

    That said, I also think it's fine. Moxley is probably loving wrestling the New Japan guys and is mostly there to pop the crowd and send the live crowd home happy while they focus on the new signees and some of the up-and-comers. I think that's fine as long as they find a meaningful program for him by Revolution or Double or Nothing. Not really interested in running Mox/Omega back any time soon and I think I prefer Eddie getting the TNT Title from Miro, so I'm not sure what his next in-house feud should be, though. Would be kind of cool to see him put over Ricky Starks after he inevitably does the job to Punk.

    I'm also down for something big like a full program with Tanahashi or one of the top players from New Japan, but I'm not holding out for that unless they're really going to dig into a deeper feud with Suzuki/Archer.
    No doubt he is and maybe just me being selfish. I’m just attuned to him seeing him at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Yeah true and maybe not expressed myself totally well as an aware and did enjoy the tag stuff with Kingston.

    Main event title picture him not being in it at this point after being a feature for so long. Maybe just not still not quite used to him taking a small step down (the theme thing is my personal thing, I loved the old one so much and headbang to it) but yeah that’s beside the point.

    As great as what he’s doing now (and maybe partially due to my ignorance of NJPW and his history with those guys) but what he’s doing now, there’s nothing recent that’s made me sit up and go “Holy shit, he might actually lose to this guy!” Apart from the dirty Omega title loss (deliberately leaving out the death match fake explosion match as less said about that the better), decent tag stuff with Kingston but nothing about him in singles says he’s beatable at the moment.

    No doubt it will happen and I do enjoy overall what is going on. This is just a small petty thing on my part. Love what they’re doing otherwise. Maybe a bit too protected lately but I can also see why as well.
    the deathmatch was great besides the dud ending.

    he was literally beat clean by lance archer a month and a half ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    the deathmatch was great besides the dud ending.

    he was literally beat clean by lance archer a month and a half ago.
    I will concede on Lance Archer as that was a shock result/great match which I briefly forgot about.

    Deathmatch also great but unfortunately that ending just killed it for me. It was definitely great but the ending just took the right stuffing out of me that I can’t rewatch it knowing the ending.

    Still do very much like Mox but hope he gets a longer feud soon in the long run.

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    One thing we never got (which probably will happen at some point) is Mox vs MJF II so Mox can set the record (or MJF set the record straight) so we get a rubber match.

    Bryan, Punk obvious. There’s Christian, Darby (another go-around), Jungle Boy (maybe they fought, can’t remember). Mox vs Jericho
    II (technically never got his rematch), Mox vs Cassidy et al etc. Wardlow another one.

    While Mox is enjoying his stuff and good partnership with the NJPW guys, just can’t get invested. I like the drama, story side of things and maybe lack of familiarity with NJPW guys is just taking me out of his stuff (currently).

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    Please don't diss aew badge. It's uncalled for.

    Great show! Counted 33 superkicks and 21 suicide dives in less than an hour!

    For real though - good match between Andrade and pac. My only complaint is they are more worried about spots than actual outcome of the match or the flow. So you are telling me out of all those high impact moves Andrade nailed Pac with what finally put the nail in the coffin was a shot from an iPad to the middle of his back from Chavo. Andrade did impress though. I'm fine with the spots but get a bit more realistic with them.

    Sting and darby was fine for what it was.

    Women's trios was fine as well. I reckoned this would have been a spot to get over in ruby without an actual loss but it's looking like she will remain undefeated in any match format until Brit.

    "Main event" match was just to build bpj up some more for mjf to get some street cred back for his loss. Seems aew loves to out people over in their hometown. Plus mjf needs to be built back up for punk. I will admit I'm looking forward to their sparring on the mic.

    Are they hinting omega is going to turn down Bryan for a match? Wouldn't be the worst idea. Bryan could make a 6 month or more program of running thru the elite if they wanted.

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    If they want to go a little more long term with Bryan getting a shot at Omega, it would be great for Omega to force the rankings system on him saying he has to earn his spot(could even play it up as "listening to the fans"), and so Bryan just starts wrestling both nights a week against different opponents to warm him up to the roster and have him climb the rankings to face Omega.

    But I'm also fine with a "Strike while the iron is hot" approach.

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    100% I don't want a new guy gunning for the title without first racking up wins. Ruby did it by winning a battle royal so that is fine although she will rack up wins before the big match.

    I don't want Kenny giving up another loss before he faces hangman. I wasn't a fan of Christian beating him first but it happened.

    Hangman needs to come back and fix the Dark Order and beat Kenny so they elite can be a separate storyline from the world title.

    Once Kenny loses the belt then loses to Bryan and starts loosing his other belts Adam Cole takes over the elite and we can have our 3 v 3 Civil War Kenny/Good brothers vs Cole/Young Bucks

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    Iíd have Bryan go through the Elite and earn a title match and at the end, Hangman Page comes back and demands the title shot he deserves. Then you do Bryan/Page, bryan puts Page over and then Page beats Kenny for the title.

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    i want them to strike when the iron is hot and run the biggest matches they can to aggressively take the fight to WWE in the ratings. that would be my approach right now. i'd book omega/danielson for the NYC show already. find out what your real ceiling is.

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    AEW has so many new debuts and have done such a good job of building their own stars, there are dozens and dozens of fresh main-event level match ups, they don't need to hold any of them too close to the chest and jealously protect them for PPVs, because there are tons of them.

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    I'd be booking Danielson, Moxley and Kingston vs. Omega and the Young Bucks for that show, with Danielson pinning Omega. I like the title hierarchy in AEW where title matches are earned. Then you run that at the PPV. Hangman match can wait, would bring him back on the card after Full Gear in his hometown. Then you do a long and proper build to Omega and Hangman at Revolution.

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    Meltzer ratings for All Out:
    HFO/Best Friends & Jurassic Express: 3 Stars

    Miro/Eddie Kingston: 4 Stars

    Jon Moxley/Satoshi Kojima: 4 Stars

    Britt Baker/Kris Statlander: 4 Stars

    Young Bucks/Lucha Brothers: 5.75 Stars

    Women's Casino Battle Royale: 3 Stars

    MJF/Chris Jericho: 3.75 Stars

    CM Punk/Darby Allin: 3.75 Stars

    Paul Wight/QT Marshall: 1 Star

    Kenny Omega/Christian Cage: 4.25 Stars

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    rating omega/christian above punk/darby is totally nuts, but it's meltzer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Meltzer ratings for All Out:
    HFO/Best Friends & Jurassic Express: 3 Stars

    Miro/Eddie Kingston: 4 Stars

    Jon Moxley/Satoshi Kojima: 4 Stars

    Britt Baker/Kris Statlander: 4 Stars

    Young Bucks/Lucha Brothers: 5.75 Stars

    Women's Casino Battle Royale: 3 Stars

    MJF/Chris Jericho: 3.75 Stars

    CM Punk/Darby Allin: 3.75 Stars

    Paul Wight/QT Marshall: 1 Star

    Kenny Omega/Christian Cage: 4.25 Stars
    Meltzer must love them young bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    If they want to go a little more long term with Bryan getting a shot at Omega, it would be great for Omega to force the rankings system on him saying he has to earn his spot(could even play it up as "listening to the fans"), and so Bryan just starts wrestling both nights a week against different opponents to warm him up to the roster and have him climb the rankings to face Omega.

    But I'm also fine with a "Strike while the iron is hot" approach.
    That sounds counterproductive to Bryan working less dates, which I’m sure is something he was interested in as a sales pitch talking point during contract negotiations lol.

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    Wonder if he'll finally give Danielson a five star match now that he's in AEW. I know it's one guy's opinion, but his love in on modern wrestling does confuse me. In the last 10 years he's rated 91 matches 5 stars or more, with the previous 30 years or so covering 98. Bret Hart has the same as Michael Elgin. Lars Sullivan has more than Bryan Danielson. WWE has 14 in its entire existence and AEW has 8 in 2 and a half years. It's a bit mad the trends he goes on. I literally cannot fathom either enjoying or finding better, say, that NXT ladder match over a Rock/Austin or Danielson/McGuinness.

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    Everything there is pretty reasonable except Punk/Darby and Omega/Christian. I'd swap the two, personally.

    Also maybe overrated on Bucks/Lucha Bros, but it was easily the best match of the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Everything there is pretty reasonable except Punk/Darby and Omega/Christian. I'd swap the two, personally.

    Also maybe overrated on Bucks/Lucha Bros, but it was easily the best match of the night.
    The Mexican stand off super kick fest and the ending made the match not a 5 star for me. Mad respect for the spots they did though. Some were crazy.

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    Observer says Bryan Danielson's contract is for 3 years.

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    Eddie Kingston & Jon Moxley vs Lance Archer & Minoru Suzuki for Grand Slam. I'm surprised we're not getting the Miro rematch there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Eddie Kingston & Jon Moxley vs Lance Archer & Minoru Suzuki for Grand Slam. I'm surprised we're not getting the Miro rematch there.
    that sucks. maybe they do the eddie/miro rematch on the taped rampage from there. i think eddie winning the title with some kind of mox involvement, so that miro pivots immediately to a non-title feud with mox would be the best of all worlds. can involve miro somehow during the dynamite tag match to explain why mox corners kingston for their rematch.

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    I won't lie. I want to see a Macho man Elizabeth type angle play out where Lana shows up to rescue miro from his evil ways and he turns face.

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    The Macho Man and Miss Elizabeth will be haunting your ass for that suggestion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Wonder if he'll finally give Danielson a five star match now that he's in AEW. I know it's one guy's opinion, but his love in on modern wrestling does confuse me. In the last 10 years he's rated 91 matches 5 stars or more, with the previous 30 years or so covering 98. Bret Hart has the same as Michael Elgin. Lars Sullivan has more than Bryan Danielson. WWE has 14 in its entire existence and AEW has 8 in 2 and a half years. It's a bit mad the trends he goes on. I literally cannot fathom either enjoying or finding better, say, that NXT ladder match over a Rock/Austin or Danielson/McGuinness.
    The problem is the stock we put in to Meltzer's opinion at the top of the mountain. He's just as biased as any other fan. I think there needs to be a line drawn where we go ok, this isn't Eddie Van Halen ranking the best guitarists of the modern era every month in Guitar World. This is a superfan who just so happens to have a very similar opinion to what is good/bad about wrestling as many others.

    So when you see him not giving the WWF 5 stars between HBK/Taker HIAC and Punk v. Cena, but he'll give every other match with The Young Bucks 5 stars....

    Does Kurt Angle have any 5 star matches? I don't think so if I remember the last time we all talked about who has/hasn't been given one by the Mr Stone of wrestling news (Blankman reference motherfuckers)

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    I don't think Dave was every a WWE guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I don't think Dave was every a WWE guy.
    He really wasn't. He would always give Hogan and others backhanded compliments. That's why he was so adamant about proving the announced attendance numbers weren't true.

    Props to him. He cultivated a following the same way Star Wars I'm sure has a Dave Meltzer that they all follow or a group of them that the fans trust with their children lol.

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    I'd love to hear what a neutral party says about AEW and WWE matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    He really wasn't. He would always give Hogan and others backhanded compliments. That's why he was so adamant about proving the announced attendance numbers weren't true.

    Props to him. He cultivated a following the same way Star Wars I'm sure has a Dave Meltzer that they all follow or a group of them that the fans trust with their children lol.
    His name is Dave ironically enough. Dave Filoni that is.

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    At least Meltzer doesn't wear a cowboy hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I'd love to hear what a neutral party says about AEW and WWE matches.
    I don't think such a thing exists unless you were to ask a non-wrestling fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I don't think Dave was every a WWE guy.
    he and Vince just can't get along because they argue over whose biceps are bigger.

    Dave likes Tony Khan because he's scrawny.
    Last edited by Hero!; September 13th, 2021 at 4:37 PM.

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    Between Punk, Cole, and Danielson joining AEW in the past few weeks, I'm actually excited to watch wrestling again. Haven't cared much about WWE in two years or so but so far AEW has me hooked again.

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    I make a point to watch Dynamite and Rampage. I am going to try to start watching Dark and Dark Elevation again. I do not always watch Raw and Smackdown. Try to watch NXT but not that they are changing it I may not. I am still a WWE fan but AEW is where it is at right now in my view.

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    I hope Wyatt shows up in AEW cause that might get me to tune in.

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    Some of these memes about "The Suzuki Incident" are pretty funny.












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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    I make a point to watch Dynamite and Rampage. I am going to try to start watching Dark and Dark Elevation again. I do not always watch Raw and Smackdown. Try to watch NXT but not that they are changing it I may not. I am still a WWE fan but AEW is where it is at right now in my view.
    Do you know how many times they've changed NXT?

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    Honestly couldn't tell you. I was not always a fan of NXT. I got into it in more recent years and thought it was better than Raw and Smackdown a lot of the time.

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    There were definitely times over the last 3 years, where NXT was my favorite wrestling show.

    Now for WWE, I have Smackdown, then NXT, then RAW.


    I fell out of AEW for about 8 months. I've enjoyed the last month, but that's not really long enough for a definitive ranking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
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    EDRONES VS AEWSEXUALS

    I hate it

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    With AEW dynamite, you don't need bluchew


    bluechew save 10% with code major at checkout.

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    I don't remember that ad.

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    And this is why I still love punk.

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    Loving AEW definitely got me back into wrestling. Went from just reading results of WWE to watching AEW haven't missed a show since it started. Even legally purchased their latest PPV on Fite as its the only way to watch Dynamite and Rampage in Australia. Hopefully Kevin owens and Sami find their way to AEW wouldn't mind a gargano but understand if he stays with WWE.

    AEW isn't perfect. Sometimes they run the same finish or same story on the same show.
    Audio issues.
    Some of their big gimmick stuff has been botched - Death match ring explosion.
    I'm not a fan of Dan Lambert it might be a bit too early in AEW run to call their product shit on air haha.
    PAC's travel issues are proving to be an issue as he gets something going then he misses a month because of travel.
    Matt Hardy managing 3 tag teams is a bit much I would have limited it to Matt and Private Party
    They could stand to trim a bit of their roster these are guys I just don't want to see on Dynamite Hybrid2, The nightmare factory + QT, Big Swole, Emi Sakura, Alex Marvez, Vicki Gurrrero, abadon, Big Show.

    Before AEW I was more of a mainstream WWE guy so I didn't know most of the roster but they got me hooked. Love the tag division The Acclaimed and Varsity Blonds are getting primed for a top run. Their last PPV was so good and the big debuts are only going to propel them forward. They just need to fix up a few issues and they are definitely going to stick around for a while. I keep coming to this thread to have a chat about AEW but it seems half the chat always seems to be people fighting not even talking about AEW.

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    Is Punk going to be on commentary for the whole show or just til something happens with Team Taz?

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    Loving AEWs roster now. Their depth now is so scary its unreal. Only their womens division is weaker than WWEs I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Loving AEWs roster now. Their depth now is so scary its unreal. Only their womens division is weaker than WWEs I would say.
    They need some IInspiration.
    https://twitter.com/CassieLee/status...469808647?s=19

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    Wow I'm so excited for this show I was about to go to Candyman but not now. Moxley/Kingston v. Ever Rise (hopefully the main event) will be a banger. A lot of talking going on which is cool and holy shit, is that Archer v. Suzuki?? God damn I hate Shawn Spears though. I hate Tully too. Man they suck. Poor Darby and MJF go from top tier legends to this nonsense.

    TNT ran an ad the other night showcasing all the African-American heavy shows they have now and when it was AEW they literally showed 2 people: Jade Cargill and the dude from the Bucks lol. Not even a shot of Scorpio Sky. I think they did show Jade pinning Red Velvet. My buddy was like, "Was that dude holding the championship from the Bucks?" I said yep he goes "So they just tried to make it like AEW had diversity showing him but where was Shaq??" No Powerhouse Hobbs or as we old people call him Ice Train 2.0

    WWE just crowned it's 2nd black world champion in a row and the only time a black person gets a title or even a push in AEW is when the white man is the focal point. Even Jade Cargill has to have a Steve Corino lookin bum with her just to get tv time.

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    If Frankie Kazarian wins clean by pinfall or submission tonight I'll watch every Dynamite, Rampage, Elevation, Dark, and PPV moving forward.

    If Shawn Spears wins I'll run around my house 2 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    If Frankie Kazarian wins clean by pinfall or submission tonight I'll watch every Dynamite, Rampage, Elevation, Dark, and PPV moving forward.

    If Shawn Spears wins I'll run around my house 2 times.
    Frankie Kazarian the Elite hunter or whatever he calls himself is a fucking terrible gimmick. Especially for him. It's literally gone nowhere. If they want to make his gimmick matter, beating Adam Cole in Cole's first match in AEW would be tremendous. That's not even from a "Fuck you Adam Cole" mindset. That's from a "let's make everyone matter in this company" You can't be the guy taking down The Elite if you never. take. them. down. Ever.

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    I think Frankie is just around to put people over. He had a good run 2 years ago with SCU.

    Scorpio just tries too hard and it shows. They tried to push him before when he had the match with Jericho and no one cared. Same with the brass ring match. Both his theme and the men of the year theme are bangers though.

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    They should give the gimmick of someone "killing the elite" to a talent that isn't just there to job and make others look good. Imagine if Stevie Richards was the Evolution killer lol. I just want to see more done with that gimmick because it is pretty cool, the only downside the cannon fodder for the Elite is Nakajima and Cutler....I'd rather slit my wrists up and down with a spoon than watch those 2 wrestle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Loving AEWs roster now. Their depth now is so scary its unreal. Only their womens division is weaker than WWEs I would say.
    They really need a developmental program for the women, very badly. Every woman on the roster should go train with Dustin Rhodes for a few months. He helped develop a lot of the WWE women in his last few years there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    They really need a developmental program for the women, very badly. Every woman on the roster should go train with Dustin Rhodes for a few months. He helped develop a lot of the WWE women in his last few years there.
    Dude he's terrible. Did you see that match with Black? And that's just the most recent example. If the training ground is lead by Dustin Rhodes and QT, I have no faith in the future.

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    Dustin might be at a point where he's a better trainer than performer.

    I am training my daughter in cross country and track, and have empathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Dustin might be at a point where he's a better trainer than performer.

    I am training my daughter in cross country and track, and have empathy.
    Dustin seems like someone who despite having a great career, probably isn't a good coach. Michael Jordan isn't a coach for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Dustin seems like someone who despite having a great career, probably isn't a good coach. Michael Jordan isn't a coach for a reason.
    I am not on board with your MJ and Dustin Rhodes comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Frankie Kazarian the Elite hunter or whatever he calls himself is a fucking terrible gimmick. Especially for him. It's literally gone nowhere. If they want to make his gimmick matter, beating Adam Cole in Cole's first match in AEW would be tremendous. That's not even from a "Fuck you Adam Cole" mindset. That's from a "let's make everyone matter in this company" You can't be the guy taking down The Elite if you never. take. them. down. Ever.
    Yoshi Tatsu was the "Bullet Club Hunter" in New Japan wasn't he? Feels like kind of a knock off on that deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Dude he's terrible. Did you see that match with Black? And that's just the most recent example. If the training ground is lead by Dustin Rhodes and QT, I have no faith in the future.
    I liked the match with Black. What was wrong with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    They should give the gimmick of someone "killing the elite" to a talent that isn't just there to job and make others look good. Imagine if Stevie Richards was the Evolution killer lol. I just want to see more done with that gimmick because it is pretty cool, the only downside the cannon fodder for the Elite is Nakajima and Cutler....I'd rather slit my wrists up and down with a spoon than watch those 2 wrestle.
    Imagine giving someone a demon gimmick that represents them going to a dark place that gives you the strength to overcome and win but they job you out when you bring it back for the 1st time in 2 years

    Show looks stacked as always. Flair posted a pic of him and Sting together backstage at an aew show.

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    I just wonder if WWE will take ric out of the opening now and forever when he joins aew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I am not on board with your MJ and Dustin Rhodes comparison.
    So you don't consider Dustin Rhodes the Michael Jordan of AEW? What is wrong with you???

    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    Yoshi Tatsu was the "Bullet Club Hunter" in New Japan wasn't he? Feels like kind of a knock off on that deal.
    I forgot about that. Terrible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I liked the match with Black. What was wrong with it?
    Everything. The match even existing for one. How about that sweet powerslam spot? Or the botched drop down punch? The match was terrible. The fact I even answered you just took away all your tokens for Sept.

    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    Imagine giving someone a demon gimmick that represents them going to a dark place that gives you the strength to overcome and win but they job you out when you bring it back for the 1st time in 2 years

    Show looks stacked as always. Flair posted a pic of him and Sting together backstage at an aew show.
    Yes that first part makes total sense now thank you for loosely connecting Demon Balor to Adam Cole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    I just wonder if WWE will take ric out of the opening now and forever when he joins aew?
    We can only be so fortunate.

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