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    Quote Originally Posted by virmicious View Post
    Or seeds are being planted. Brocks contract is up In may after he gets his last big payday in Saudi Arabia. Brock will go where the money is and when you have a billionaire who could drop 10 or 15 million to fire a shot you never know what could happen.
    I'm pretty sure Vince will cut Brock in as a partner before he let's AEW get him.

    He shouldnt. Brock as a draw has diminished down to squat and there is so very little left to do with him. But Vince seems to believe that he needs Brock so that'll be the guy he keeps. Even if everyone else is considered expendable.

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    Cena, AJ and Reigns aren't either

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    They've invested so much money in Brock relying on his crossover appeal that he has to do little work and laughing his way to the bank. Financially, Brock was an overall bad invedtment for them and he's not made that much of an impact.

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    Looks like Pentagon Jr and Fenix are in.

    https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/y...lite-wrestling

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    Penta vs Jericho is a must after All In. Jericho has turned into my favorite middle-aged brawler and I want it.

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    Are the AEW contracts exclusive?

    I find this small show your the bucks are doing fucking brilliant. Especially if it is something AEW can continue to do. Using BTE they can tell stories across multiple indies and multiple platforms.

    Like I mentioned I paid for hell or high water last night purely because the elite was gonna show up. I doubt I was the only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    I'm pretty sure Vince will cut Brock in as a partner before he let's AEW get him.

    He shouldnt. Brock as a draw has diminished down to squat and there is so very little left to do with him. But Vince seems to believe that he needs Brock so that'll be the guy he keeps. Even if everyone else is considered expendable.
    That's Part of it. To drive Brock's price up so high and to get so much perks that it's a trickle down to the rest of the roster. When their contracts come up they will want more or leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Penta vs Jericho is a must after All In. Jericho has turned into my favorite middle-aged brawler and I want it.
    Make it a three way with Omega for the hell of it.

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    Pentagon/Jericho would be great for one of their first big programs once they get weekly TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    Are the AEW contracts exclusive?

    I find this small show your the bucks are doing fucking brilliant. Especially if it is something AEW can continue to do. Using BTE they can tell stories across multiple indies and multiple platforms.

    Like I mentioned I paid for hell or high water last night purely because the elite was gonna show up. I doubt I was the only one.
    From what I've read, they're basically case by case situations.

    People wondered what they were going to do between now and Double or Nothing. It's clear they're going to be barnstorming to help raise the level of the indies, participate in places they haven't been at and probably work on recruiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    That's a huge huge get.

    Pentagon and Rey Fenix to AEW
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Looks like Pentagon Jr and Fenix are in.

    https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/y...lite-wrestling
    Now they're really peaking my interest

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    Jimmy Havoc to AEW.

    Also an "outstanding offer to a current WWE star" has been made.

    I wonder who that might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    Jimmy Havoc to AEW.

    Also an "outstanding offer to a current WWE star" has been made.

    I wonder who that might be.
    Well, they have about 400 wrestlers under contract. So whatever offer they made they probably just violated some law. I am a little curious who it might be just to see what level of interest they are truly expressing and what the talent's status is in the company on the card.

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    Rumour I read was that it's Randal.

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    They clearly couldn't make a direct offer to someone under contract because that's tampering. I imagine AEW doesn't want to be seen as anything other squeaky clean. I saw the Orton thing as well but it was in the context of that he would listen to an offer.

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    Randy Orton doesn't scream at me like someone who work anywhere BUT the WWE. I wasn't shocked about Jericho one bit. He's worked with TNA in the past, he's been working New Japan here and there. He was at All In.

    But Orton IMO is up there with guys like Undertaker and John Cena. Orton has a job for life there, he is financially set for life, his grandchildren will be set for life. It is wrestling though so you never know.

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    This is all an elaborate plan by Vince McMahon so people think they have an alternate to WWE, but not really because Vince is funding AEW, the Khans are just figureheads so no one thinks Vince is involved, but I'm on to you Vince. Just like you sent Hogan to destroy WCW and TNA. Vince truly is a genius and I love it. Cody, Vince, HHH, all keeping tight lipped about it, I admire their dedication.

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    AEW is gonna make a play for Brock. May is gonna be an exciting month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cards4Lyfe View Post
    AEW is gonna make a play for Brock. May is gonna be an exciting month.
    I'm not even excited about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Randy Orton doesn't scream at me like someone who work anywhere BUT the WWE. I wasn't shocked about Jericho one bit. He's worked with TNA in the past, he's been working New Japan here and there. He was at All In.

    But Orton IMO is up there with guys like Undertaker and John Cena. Orton has a job for life there, he is financially set for life, his grandchildren will be set for life. It is wrestling though so you never know.
    Not AEW related but odd you mention the undertaker. Read this morning that he is accepting bookings unrelated to WWE now and had removed any affiliation with WWE from his Twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    Not AEW related but odd you mention the undertaker. Read this morning that he is accepting bookings unrelated to WWE now and had removed any affiliation with WWE from his Twitter
    What kind of bookings though? It would be cool if Taker started making the rounds at some of these comic/wrestling conventions.

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    If Randy Orton goes to AEW, Brandi Rhodes better not leave any bags unattended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    What kind of bookings though? It would be cool if Taker started making the rounds at some of these comic/wrestling conventions.
    Wasn't specified.

    I'd imagine that's exactly what he's doing though.

    Maybe birthday parties

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    What kind of bookings though? It would be cool if Taker started making the rounds at some of these comic/wrestling conventions.
    I know he has some speaking tours lined up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    Wasn't specified.

    I'd imagine that's exactly what he's doing though.

    Maybe birthday parties
    If it's birthday parties, fuck yeah. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    I know he has some speaking tours lined up
    Makes sense. He did that weird "Ya Know" sit down with that weirdo pastor who's last glimpse of wrestling was back when Ric Flair was still "Richard Fleihr" lol

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    If I were to change my name to be my same name but a little different, I'd be Judy Asscarrot and my gimmick would be I'm a transgender wrestler who eats carrots to impove their eyesight to deliver precise missile dropkicks.

    I'd also keep a carrot down my pants to use like Mr Socko. You can figure out how I use it on my opponent for yourselves.

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    If I was AEW, I'd throw money at the Rock to make an appearance if they get a TV deal. That would get eyes on their product for sure. Not sure if the Rock is loyal to Vince though. I mean Jericho said he was so your word isn't worth anything these days.

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    Cody was on JR's podcast. Some of the highlights:

    - He said they're scaling the arena for 11,600 in Vegas.
    - They're looking for the juxtaposition in terms of talent rather than going for the household names you would think of. It's not "the new generation" but "this generation" in terms of the talent they are bringing in. The ability of their talent to utilize social media is a factor they are looking at with prospects.
    - The style of their shows: “I tend to skew towards the sporting aspect of the industry. I don’t like to say old school wrestling, I love traditional wrestling. Whether it’s Mid-Atlantic, or Mid South, or Dusty’s stuff with Jim Crockett Promotions, it’s not just old wrestling to me. I think there’s magic in there. The things that people are doing, the competitors are doing, promo men are doing, that’s keeping the suspension of disbelief alive. It’s easy for someone of my generation to go ‘that’s just old wrestling’. There’s so much you can learn from it. It’s unreal."
    - On Kahn: "He wants to put out a sports broadcast. I think pro wrestling is entertaining enough. I don’t think the soap opera element of it has to be turned up to eleven in any way.” Feels like the Bucks' line of thinking with wrestling is a nice counter to what Cody is thinking for wrestling and a good mesh of the styles will be ideal.

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    I'm not a huge Orton fan but they would be smart to go after him if he would be willing to listen to offers.. could you imagine the buzz they would create for their product if he debuted with an RKO outta literally nowhere because no one knew Orton was signed with AEW? Thats shock value.

    Superkicks and RKOs all around.

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    I wonder if WWE has RKO trademarked.

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    I know John Cena has said that were he to wrestle elsewhere he couldn't use the name John Cena, even though that's his real name.

    He'd probably be Randolph Orton Jr. or some shit.

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    That makes 0 sense
    How can you copyright a real name? Like Cody Rhodes isn't his real name so they own the Rhodes character name right?

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    I know people have been waiting for New Japan to shiv ROH in the back for years now, but with AEW now working with AAA and no one ever considering that possibility between NJPW and CMLL can we now put to bed any notion of New Japan working with AEW?

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    the presentation of this event is a lot better than the last one

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    Still pretty cringe.

    Hangman vs The bastard confirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    That makes 0 sense
    How can you copyright a real name? Like Cody Rhodes isn't his real name so they own the Rhodes character name right?
    You can’t. WWE can say that they own licensing for shirts and toys and video games with someone’s real name, but they don’t own it in perpetuity, it’s basically an agreement between the performer and WWE while that performer works for them. WWE can’t tell someone not to use their real name, that’s just not possible.

    Cody claims his legal name is Cody Runnels Rhodes, but he’s known to kayfabe stuff.

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    AEW should try to buy pentagon's theme from LU if they own it

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    Kenny Omega confirmed

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    Hangman vs Pac
    Young Bucks vs Lucha Bros
    SCU vs The chinese
    Kenny vs Jericho

    Not a bad card so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stocky View Post
    Kenny Omega confirmed
    Also as a VP, like Cody and The Bucks.

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    thats a darn good line up so far. wonder what cody will be doing

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    i love that they didnt shill and hype up nyla rose being transgender. they introduce her as part of the women's division and that's that.

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    My new favorite story going around is that it is almost certain that AEW will have a working agreement with DDT. DDT is working with WWN Mania weekend. Gabe works for WWE. Trips is looking for an in with a Japanese promotion. DDT was their choice it seems like because Gabe brought them in and WWE sponsored their visas. Now they'll be working with AEW which makes sense given that's where Kenny started and that their parent company could buy and sell WWE without batting an eyelash.. So that made me smile.

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    Reports that Ibushi is AEW bound once he gets cleared.

    Also rumors that AEW will be back Chicago labor day weekend.

    Since I can't make double or nothing here's hoping both those are true and Kota vs Kenny happens in Chicago.

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    If it's cold outside, does Ibushi do his best James Hetfield impersonation and say "I'm gonna grab my coat-ah!" and then Kenny is watching Family Guy and the daughter Griffin says something dumb does he shake his head and say, "Oh Meg-ah"?

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    Based on Omega's interview with Meltzer, it sounds like he echoed (to some extent) some of the words Meltzer was reporting about some sense of discourse that was being felt in NJPW when the new management took over. Out of the three options - AEW, WWE, NJPW - it was interesting to hear that he said NJPW was basically last. Sounded like he was pleasantly surprised by what WWE was offering and the direction he was going to have but there was just unlimited potential and no barriers in the way for him with AEW and those were the deciding factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Based on Omega's interview with Meltzer, it sounds like he echoed (to some extent) some of the words Meltzer was reporting about some sense of discourse that was being felt in NJPW when the new management took over. .
    Considering the fact that he and The Bucks planted that story to begin with it would be odd if he didn't echo it.

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    Fenix was apparently stretchered out of a show

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    Fenix was apparently stretchered out of a show

    Apparently they carried him out on a table because they didn't have a stretcher... Fucking indy wrestling.

    Also been reported that he's ok.

    Took a cutter bump bad talk was his neck was possibly fucked. They're saying he needs some time off but he's ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    Considering the fact that he and The Bucks planted that story to begin with it would be odd if he didn't echo it.
    I mean, yeah, but he didn't need to necessarily bring it up this weekend either. While he said he's open to working with NJPW, he didn't exactly give the impression that he is going to be making any additional effort to extend interest on his end.

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    There is a very cynical voice in the back of my head that says that Kenny et al, with the exception of Cody which is interesting, know the esteem with which NJPW is held in by the fans that have gotten them to this point and are trying to make a heel of NJPW. It was so transparent where the stories Meltzer was printing about President Harold were coming from. To the point Tama Tonga outright pointed the finger at them and called bullshit. I mean the dead giveaway in that story was this insinuation that the Japanese guys were almost considering a NOAH like split except for Hiroshi Tanahashi. The only person who could be the Misawa figure and lead such an exodus is Hiroshi Tanahashi. Story made no sense.


    Furthermore on my conspiracy theory there have been these planted stories of how they all still wanted to work in Japan, which btw they haven't announced it yet but there is a working agreement with DDT, yet the Bucks ever since All In could not be bothered to even try and pretend like they had any interest in working for New Japan anymore.

    And furthermore I think AEW is doomed anyway. And they know it. And they're all just gonna milk every dime they can out of the money marks until they fuck off to Vince which explains why Kenny, who is always full of shit and yet is terrible at it, spent so much time kissing WWE's ass in that interview with Meltzer and why the Bucks put over Hunter ever chance they get.

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    Not sure if this was just the allotment for the presale or everything in general, but it appears Double or Nothing sold out in roughly 25 minutes.

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    PWG sells out in less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    There is a very cynical voice in the back of my head that says that Kenny et al, with the exception of Cody which is interesting, know the esteem with which NJPW is held in by the fans that have gotten them to this point and are trying to make a heel of NJPW. It was so transparent where the stories Meltzer was printing about President Harold were coming from. To the point Tama Tonga outright pointed the finger at them and called bullshit. I mean the dead giveaway in that story was this insinuation that the Japanese guys were almost considering a NOAH like split except for Hiroshi Tanahashi. The only person who could be the Misawa figure and lead such an exodus is Hiroshi Tanahashi. Story made no sense.


    Furthermore on my conspiracy theory there have been these planted stories of how they all still wanted to work in Japan, which btw they haven't announced it yet but there is a working agreement with DDT, yet the Bucks ever since All In could not be bothered to even try and pretend like they had any interest in working for New Japan anymore.

    And furthermore I think AEW is doomed anyway. And they know it. And they're all just gonna milk every dime they can out of the money marks until they fuck off to Vince which explains why Kenny, who is always full of shit and yet is terrible at it, spent so much time kissing WWE's ass in that interview with Meltzer and why the Bucks put over Hunter ever chance they get.
    what do you think kenny's beef with new japan was? i can get the bucks not exactly being enthralled with new japan because they were big stars in the US indies but they were never going to be significantly pushed in new japan as a tag team, but it made kenny's career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    PWG sells out in less.
    Cool lol

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    Rumors that Batista is negotiating with AEW. Gosh I hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    what do you think kenny's beef with new japan was? i can get the bucks not exactly being enthralled with new japan because they were big stars in the US indies but they were never going to be significantly pushed in new japan as a tag team, but it made kenny's career.
    I honestly haven't a clue beyond he believes his own bullshit.

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    According to AEW Propaganda Minister, oops, I mean Dave Meltzer they had plans for Kenny vs Kota and Golden Lovers matches in the future that won't be happening now because Kota is signed full time to NJPW.

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    AEW prob told Ibushi “no neck bumps” and he refused. New Japan prob tossed in some fireworks and a tiny bicycle as a signing bonus too.

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    Defrost going hard after AEW

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    Defrost SHOOTS HARD on DAVE MELZTER and THE ELITE

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    I spend too much time on twitter.

    Honestly though the people who should be scrutinizing this, like Dave, are very much not. I get the excitement for it. If anyone gets wanted an alternative to WWE it would be me. It's just that there are a ton of red flags here that are not getting talked about. They are spending a ton of money with nothing coming back right now expect one live show in Vegas in a couple of months. Again according to Dave they're offering six figures to guys most haven't heard of. There has yet to be a tv deal announced. There are rumors about the Turner Networks or ESPN, but if they didn't show that much interest in WWE on their tv stations why would they in this start up that has the track record of one show drawing a fraction compared to an ever dwindling WWE viewership on WGN and appearances on ROH and NJPW tv that did comparable numbers albeit with a lesser tv station situation. I could see them wanting them for their streaming platforms, but that's not getting the job done for what their mission statement is supposed to be.

    Then there is the Elite guys themselves. You know the ones with the vague corporate titles. Cody is his father's son, but the other 3 have no poker face whatsoever. I've had my suspicions with this thing for a while, but that interview with Kenny where he spent an inordinate amount of time putting over how much better WWE is than New Japan coupled with the last several months of the Jacksons damn near publicly fellating HHH at every opportunity has me convinced the plan is to soak the Khan's for everything they can get then go to WWE.

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    I was curious by Omega's comment where he said the idea of basically having someone control him in the WWE was intriguing to him. I don't think he truly understands the machine that is the WWE. He might actually like working there. I don't know enough about his career to think about what he wouldn't be able to do in the WWE other than every match wouldn't be 60 minutes+. Outside of that.....

    AEW is for sure a mystery. I think a lot of marks for those involved should lower their expectations but ultimately I'm digging it. More wrestling the better imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Rumors that Batista is negotiating with AEW. Gosh I hope not.
    Can't see that one. He is WWE through and through. He is probably using the interest to leverage a better deal and fair play to him

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    I have to see all of this to believe it. Not a single person I've heard RUMORED to be part of anything with AEW has come to be true. Those that are associated seemed to be either obvious (Omega) or a pretty good shock (Jericho).

    I think Khan is going to learn firsthand like Eric Bischoff, only worse, that you might be a fan, you might know business, but the wrestling business is not for the fans. And it sure as fuck isn't the same as your dad buying you basketball teams and wrestlers. I'm waiting for Richard Pryor to pop out of a box wearing Spider-Man pajamas.

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    Dean Ambrose could be a game changer if he goes there.

    Former WWE champ, main event talent and in his prime. Not many of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Dean Ambrose could be a game changer if he goes there.

    Former WWE champ, main event talent and in his prime. Not many of those.
    But what does AEW have to offer that he is looking for? He's made it crystal he's not in this any longer for the cash. He's one of the highest paid talents in the WWE, his wife works with him, etc. It's the art that he's longing for and I don't know if he looks at AEW and sees that. I don't see how any wrestler can look at AEW and see anything more than what wrestlers saw when TNA started, $$$$$$$$$ with a lighter schedule. Right now if you sign with AEW you only have to work 1 date in 2019 lol.

    But if we toy with the idea of Dean going, the guy delivers wherever he's at so I have no fear that he'll be awesome. Something with him and Kenny Omega or even Cody Rhodes=amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    But what does AEW have to offer that he is looking for? He's made it crystal he's not in this any longer for the cash. He's one of the highest paid talents in the WWE, his wife works with him, etc. It's the art that he's longing for and I don't know if he looks at AEW and sees that. I don't see how any wrestler can look at AEW and see anything more than what wrestlers saw when TNA started, $$$$$$$$$ with a lighter schedule. Right now if you sign with AEW you only have to work 1 date in 2019 lol.

    But if we toy with the idea of Dean going, the guy delivers wherever he's at so I have no fear that he'll be awesome. Something with him and Kenny Omega or even Cody Rhodes=amazing.
    I mean AEW certainly seems to be a place that would offer more creative freedom than WWE

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    Definitely the creative thing for Ambrose.

    I stand by my theory that AEW is going to wind up on a Turner network, that network being TruTV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I mean AEW certainly seems to be a place that would offer more creative freedom than WWE
    You keep saying things like they are facts. You thought that the WWE product was getting better during Mania season because of AEW. Now you're saying it CERTAINLY seems to be a place that would offer more creative freedom.....That's a very general statement to make as in, pretty much every promotion is more relaxed than the WWE.

    But what have you seen on AEW t.v. that showed you....oh wait....

    I mean if creative freedom is being able to show up and give someone a package piledriver on the stage, sure. But we literally have nothing to base that opinion on in terms of production from AEW.

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    I'm kind of hoping AEW becomes the Fyre Festival of pro wrestling.

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    I guess you have to base it on what the Cody and the Young Bucks have done to build their brand at this point.

    They have already said they have a clear strategy (focus more on wrestling, wins and losses, long term booking) and part of that must be based on what wrestling fans want as an alternative to WWE. What is more unclear is how the business model will work

    You are right, there are many different things that need to happen for AEW to be a success. I guess from a talent point of view though, this would send a big message if they could get Ambrose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Can't see that one. He is WWE through and through. He is probably using the interest to leverage a better deal and fair play to him
    i dont think batista really needs leverage. he's been highly outspoken about the wwe product since his last run ended and has felt disrespected multiple times by the company. he's talked about how much he hated the creative process during his last run, having to wait outside vince's office so you could go in and argue over creative and the anxiety that built up. he loved putting over the shield and building them up and hated seeing them break up right after all that work was put in. he said he would only ever go back if certain conditions were met cause he never wants to deal with what happened last time behind the scenes.

    he also talked about how he thinks writers and talent in WWE are scared of losing their jobs so they dont take chances or push back. AEW gaining momentum and being seen as a legit place to go that has legs could do a lot for the talent, and could be something batista sees as worth contributing towards.

    so i do not doubt he has another match there, but i also wouldnt be surprised to see him actually consider AEW. he took a chance in hollywood cause he wanted to bet on himself and be inspired creatively and he succeeded. the creative aspect of pro wrestling is something he feels is lacking in WWE, and the lure of more freedom in AEW could be enticing.
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    For every suspicious or skeptical glance at AEW, you can easily make the counter argument for how it could work. It's a germ of an idea right now. The thing that works in its favor are not minimal. This isn't being funded by money that's uninformed and is just going to sit back and let the workers do what they do but it's also not a situation where it appears that the money is not going to micromanage everything to have it the way they want it to be.

    Yeah, someone can say that the wrestling business is not for the fans but the people running this are fans of the business. They love it and based on actions and their words, it appears like they feel the business has bogged down the industry. Many people view WWE as a company that is a Disney or whatever. Not to that scale, but a business that has a hook and tries to cater to everyone. I feel like AEW's hook is it's a wrestling company that caters to people who love wrestling. They're not trying to get out of their lane or overstep their boundaries, they're not trying to say they're here to take over WWE, but they're just looking to be an alternative. If anything, they're doing what Impact and MLW should have been doing from the jump but they're either completely unknown to the masses or had way to many failed incarnations and have to wash that away. The difference between those companies and what AEW has available is a understandable vision and "indie" star value. There's no denying that The Bucks have been able to monetize their success. I've heard jokes about how AEW is just a t-shirt company right now. That's a joke but it also suggests a level of truth because they are successful at getting people to buy their merchandise. They're obviously littered throughout the crowd at WWE events so that shows they've got an audience there that's willing to support them financially. That's a big win in light of trying to use their YouTube show as a means of showing support. That's the argument WWE tries to use for foreign markets but they clearly haven't figured out how to monetize that. The Bucks have shown they've got that AND merchandise at a scale. Their audience does that because the performers show they're doing this for a love of the business and an appreciation of the fans. If the fans weren't there, there's nothing there. The performers understand that and want to show their appreciation by doing the best they can to provide a product that excites the audience and makes them want more.

    Something that feels like it should work in their favor is the idea of less is more. WWE is clearly showing they're not making as much money as they were in the past with their house shows. They're clearly using TV money as a means to drive their business now from a cash flow standard. That works in AEW's favor. Their workers are going to be able to keep doing indie dates and that's not income that's coming at a cost for AEW because they're not running the shows and taking on the cost to run them. We're already seeing a sense a success at being able to continue to escalate the scale of the shows they're going to run for PPV-like events and the demand is still there. That works if they produce quality content and then build off that with a TV deal. To me, it still seems like TruTV (part of Turner) makes a ton of sense. The money is obviously going to be the intriguing aspect but if it's even just a fraction of what WWE made on their deals, that's got to provide ample footing to cover the costs AEW is taking on right now with contracts and etc. Then with a network like that, the bar is so low so you've got a chance to make a strong dent in the ratings and then bubble up.

    In terms of what they can offer, they're enlisting talent that has a strong social media presence, knows how to use it, and is creative. These are people that are working indie promotions and stuff of that ilk. That means these are companies that are relying on the talent to make the most of what they offer (in-ring work, promos, merchandising, etc. etc.). If those talents have shown an ability to do that, why not let them do that for you? Why would you get in the way of someone who is successful and competent? That's where the creative freedom comes in. You're going to be able to keep doing what you're doing, with a spotlight and you're going to have the chance to rub shoulders with top-tier talent and learn from them. Ideally, you would think AEW wouldn't micromanage these people. It's the dream of what everyone says: give them bullet points of what you want and let them deliver their message THEIR way. Then you work to help refine or calibrate it to fit if there's hiccups.

    All the talk of the lifers and questioning if AEW is an option makes sense because what's being described of what AEW sound incredibly appealing for whatever your need is. Exposure, money, less dates, more freedom? It's there for you if this works. It doesn't even have to be 100 percent efficient to provide that. Obviously the massive hurdle is getting it to work but you have a lot going for you if you do.

    There are clearly obvious risks and drawbacks that can come of it. There's going to be an incredible give and take process that comes around when the TV deal comes in terms of how much and how often. Do you do weekly, bi-weekly, monthly? One hour is safe to assume, but does the network want two? If it's two, is that too much? That is where I feel the real trial and error is going to come. Otherwise, they've got something that haspotential to work as long as their instincts were strong and they brought in the right type of people and don't get consumed in the business aspect of wrestling.

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    For many, many years people have always said that if someone was going to truly be competition to Vince they needed that Mark Cuban money lol. They always forget about the last time that happened and how short of a time span that was. But it's cool, at least there's hope.

    I just don't understand how matter of fact some of these comments are when AEW hasn't proven anything. People were pretty gassed up about Lucha Underground, now that company after the honeymoon phase, they're struggling to stay relevant where they could barely find funding to do the latest season. I'm just saying....Instead of acting like AEW are established, we need to sit back and wait. Enough of thinking everything you dislike about the WWE will work for AEW, enough of thinking WWE left enough of a gap for someone else to swoop in and take where they're lacking....Until we actually see something of substance beyond signing their friends and giving them executive titles lol, there's nothing BUT hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    You keep saying things like they are facts. You thought that the WWE product was getting better during Mania season because of AEW. Now you're saying it CERTAINLY seems to be a place that would offer more creative freedom.....That's a very general statement to make as in, pretty much every promotion is more relaxed than the WWE.

    But what have you seen on AEW t.v. that showed you....oh wait....

    I mean if creative freedom is being able to show up and give someone a package piledriver on the stage, sure. But we literally have nothing to base that opinion on in terms of production from AEW.
    I'm basing it on BTE and All In and what I've heard from the elite in regards to how they look at booking wrestling.

    I think that's a pretty good idea of how AEW is going to run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    For many, many years people have always said that if someone was going to truly be competition to Vince they needed that Mark Cuban money lol. They always forget about the last time that happened and how short of a time span that was. But it's cool, at least there's hope.

    I just don't understand how matter of fact some of these comments are when AEW hasn't proven anything. People were pretty gassed up about Lucha Underground, now that company after the honeymoon phase, they're struggling to stay relevant where they could barely find funding to do the latest season. I'm just saying....Instead of acting like AEW are established, we need to sit back and wait. Enough of thinking everything you dislike about the WWE will work for AEW, enough of thinking WWE left enough of a gap for someone else to swoop in and take where they're lacking....Until we actually see something of substance beyond signing their friends and giving them executive titles lol, there's nothing BUT hope.
    That Khans have more money than Cuban so that's great, right?

    They haven't proven anything and they're going to have mistakes. The big thing is, that's okay. They're going to have growing pains but there's plenty of reasons to believe that it could go well for them. There's plenty of reasons to believe it could go wrong. Based on what we're seeing, it's promising. I'd rather look at it more optimistically than pessimistically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I'm basing it on BTE and All In and what I've heard from the elite in regards to how they look at booking wrestling.

    I think that's a pretty good idea of how AEW is going to run.
    That's a fair point.

    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    That Khans have more money than Cuban so that's great, right?

    They haven't proven anything and they're going to have mistakes. The big thing is, that's okay. They're going to have growing pains but there's plenty of reasons to believe that it could go well for them. There's plenty of reasons to believe it could go wrong. Based on what we're seeing, it's promising. I'd rather look at it more optimistically than pessimistically.
    I think Turner did too at one point. Shit wasn't Cuban part of Ring of Honor getting on HDnet? That was cool.

    Oh I'm definitely looking at it from a glass that's half full but not filled with the greatest liquid known to man. Sometimes I think people just get a little too excited whenever something promising comes up in wrestling. And I understand why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post

    I think Turner did too at one point. Shit wasn't Cuban part of Ring of Honor getting on HDnet? That was cool.

    Oh I'm definitely looking at it from a glass that's half full but not filled with the greatest liquid known to man. Sometimes I think people just get a little too excited whenever something promising comes up in wrestling. And I understand why.
    Isn't HDNet now AXS? If so, then yes because he owns AXS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Nope, first mistake they make they're done.
    Well....I could honestly see something like that happening especially if they're wanting to cater so heavily to the super mark fanbase. Now that they can't just slap on a Bullet Club shirt to get someone over and have to really try, it'll be interesting to see how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I'm basing it on BTE and All In and what I've heard from the elite in regards to how they look at booking wrestling.

    I think that's a pretty good idea of how AEW is going to run.
    that's nothing, though. that was a one-off event with a card that didnt have to be relevant to whatever happened the day after it. BTE is good, but can that translate to a tv show and an entire roster? saying you believe in the sport aspect of pro wrestling and want long term booking is easy, but executing it is another thing entirely. they've never had to juggle all these things at once, all day, everyday, ad infinitum.

    it's good to be optimistic, but there really is little evidence available to the public that says they can pull this off to the level they want to. and that's okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    that's nothing, though. that was a one-off event with a card that didnt have to be relevant to whatever happened the day after it. BTE is good, but can that translate to a tv show and an entire roster? saying you believe in the sport aspect of pro wrestling and want long term booking is easy, but executing it is another thing entirely. they've never had to juggle all these things at once, all day, everyday, ad infinitum.

    it's good to be optimistic, but there really is little evidence available to the public that says they can pull this off to the level they want to. and that's okay.
    I was taking about AEW allowing their talent to be creative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I was taking about AEW allowing their talent to be creative
    But aren't you basing that opinion on what morrison is talking about you said you were basing it on? BTE, All In, right?

    Like I said, literally no other promotion has the creative lock on their talent like the WWE so you could honestly say any promotion outside the WWE will give you more creative freedom. But how do we know that's a good thing under AEW's umbrella?

    I mean, the answer to someone not being entertaining in the WWE isn't always going to be "Well if they had the freedom...." Look at PAC. Who gave a fuck about PAC other than what he could do in the ring? The guy is 100x more interesting these days and that's largely in part to the WWE tapping into something he couldn't find himself.

    It's a wait and see type situation and I hope they smash it out the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    For many, many years people have always said that if someone was going to truly be competition to Vince they needed that Mark Cuban money lol. They always forget about the last time that happened and how short of a time span that was. But it's cool, at least there's hope.

    I just don't understand how matter of fact some of these comments are when AEW hasn't proven anything. People were pretty gassed up about Lucha Underground, now that company after the honeymoon phase, they're struggling to stay relevant where they could barely find funding to do the latest season. I'm just saying....Instead of acting like AEW are established, we need to sit back and wait. Enough of thinking everything you dislike about the WWE will work for AEW, enough of thinking WWE left enough of a gap for someone else to swoop in and take where they're lacking....Until we actually see something of substance beyond signing their friends and giving them executive titles lol, there's nothing BUT hope.
    I think everyone was under the assumption that LU was going to a wrestling promotion, but it turned out to be a TV Show. That must have hurt it in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    But aren't you basing that opinion on what morrison is talking about you said you were basing it on? BTE, All In, right?

    Like I said, literally no other promotion has the creative lock on their talent like the WWE so you could honestly say any promotion outside the WWE will give you more creative freedom. But how do we know that's a good thing under AEW's umbrella?

    I mean, the answer to someone not being entertaining in the WWE isn't always going to be "Well if they had the freedom...." Look at PAC. Who gave a fuck about PAC other than what he could do in the ring? The guy is 100x more interesting these days and that's largely in part to the WWE tapping into something he couldn't find himself.

    It's a wait and see type situation and I hope they smash it out the park.
    You're both making a bigger discussion of what I said than what we were talking about.

    The convo started by saying what do they have to offer Dean...i said that judging from what I've seen from BTE they appear to be somewhere that would allow Dean to be creative with his art.

    I didn't argue its going to work just that it's something they offer to Dean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    You're both making a bigger discussion of what I said than what we were talking about.

    The convo started by saying what do they have to offer Dean...i said that judging from what I've seen from BTE they appear to be somewhere that would allow Dean to be creative with his art.

    I didn't argue its going to work just that it's something they offer to Dean
    You said it would certainly offer more creative freedom than the WWE and that was it. It became a bigger discussion simply because you hadn't given any real insight. Just like when you claimed AEW were the reason why you thought the WWE were giving us a better product while completely missing that usually it's the norm for the path to Mania to be some of the better shit they'll give us. Why that is I have no idea lol. But then it took about 3-4 posts for you to elaborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    You said it would certainly offer more creative freedom than the WWE and that was it. It became a bigger discussion simply because you hadn't given any real insight. Just like when you claimed AEW were the reason why you thought the WWE were giving us a better product while completely missing that usually it's the norm for the path to Mania to be some of the better shit they'll give us. Why that is I have no idea lol. But then it took about 3-4 posts for you to elaborate.
    Ya I'm a bit of a twat lol

    I didn't miss that it's wrestlemania season btw. I definitely acknowledged that when we bickered before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    Ya I'm a bit of a twat lol
    lol it's ok. I mean it's like I've told every single woman in my life: I'm not Professor X, I'm not even Dion Warwick, I can't read minds!


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    Someone (was it you?) asked what they have to offer Dean... I said they appear to be more creatively free, then told you why.

    Then Morrison acted like I'd said AEW's booking is going to be better for everyone no matter what.

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    I picture AEW going to war with WWE, and AEW's like "We've got the Young Bucks, Cody, Omega, what you got", and WWE says, "We've got a Braun", and then AEW gets these hands.

    Someone make my fantasy come true.

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    He's right about everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    Someone (was it you?) asked what they have to offer Dean... I said they appear to be more creatively free, then told you why.

    Then Morrison acted like I'd said AEW's booking is going to be better for everyone no matter what.
    Yes, you told me why, but it was very generic. Then after I asked what you were basing that opinion on you responded with BTE, All In. Not sure why you're trying to explain what you already confirmed. That you weren't clear at first, and then elaborated when I asked.

    If you don't like the attention generic comments bring then don't say things so matter of fact because people are going to want to know where you're coming from and then when you answer, they have the right to respond. That's the whole purpose of a message board. Not just your opinion and then boom end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    I think BG Maverick and I just might become best friends.

    He's right about everything.
    You're definitely misguided, lol, but thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Yes, you told me why, but it was very generic. Then after I asked what you were basing that opinion on you responded with BTE, All In. Not sure why you're trying to explain what you already confirmed. That you weren't clear at first, and then elaborated when I asked.

    If you don't like the attention generic comments bring then don't say things so matter of fact because people are going to want to know where you're coming from and then when you answer, they have the right to respond. That's the whole purpose of a message board. Not just your opinion and then boom end of story.

    I know but me and you had reached a point when you understood my point (even though I'd been vague).

    Then Morrison dove in talking about AEW's ongoing booking and that wasn't what I had established I was talking about with you. Then you doubled down on what he was saying.

    I've probably made this convo more meta than need be but I'm at work.

    What does AEW offer Dean?

    I think they offer him the ability to control his own character and do things he wants to do. I don't know if that's a good thing for Dean because I don't know AEW's exact booking and how they will operate when it becomes a week after week promotion. What I know is that as of now everything they've done they've allowed talent to be themselves and put forward the character they want to be.

    I don't say all that as a way to argue either of you but, because I've been vague and short, just as a way to answer questions you and Morrison both asked me about my opinion on this subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I know but me and you had reached a point when you understood my point (even though I'd been vague).

    Then Morrison dove in talking about AEW's ongoing booking and that wasn't what I had established I was talking about with you. Then you doubled down on what he was saying.

    I've probably made this convo more meta than need be but I'm at work.

    What does AEW offer Dean?

    I think they offer him the ability to control his own character and do things he wants to do. I don't know if that's a good thing for Dean because I don't know AEW's exact booking and how they will operate when it becomes a week after week promotion. What I know is that as of now everything they've done they've allowed talent to be themselves and put forward the character they want to be.

    I don't say all that as a way to argue either of you but, because I've been vague and short, just as a way to answer questions you and Morrison both asked me about my opinion on this subject.
    But here's the thing...You don't know. 1 show (ALL IN) does not define a creative team or how they'd be booking even for the short term. You threw out BTE, but that's usually centered around the Bucks, Cody, and Hangman Page and it's not even a for sure representation of how AEW will look.

    Why? Because they haven't done anything but put on a couple pressers and 1 show about 9 months ago. That required 7 different promotions, a 3 day fanfest, as well as the god CM Punk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    But here's the thing...You don't know. 1 show (ALL IN) does not define a creative team or how they'd be booking even for the short term. You threw out BTE, but that's usually centered around the Bucks, Cody, and Hangman Page and it's not even a for sure representation of how AEW will look.

    Why? Because they haven't done anything but put on a couple pressers and 1 show about 9 months ago. That required 7 different promotions, a 3 day fanfest, as well as the god CM Punk.
    OK so regarding AEW all we have to go on is All In, BTE, and podcast interviews. That's it. All of those things point to the elite guys wanting to give the wrestlers creative freedom.

    Literally everything they've done points to them wanting to do that.

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    The creative thing is a good question. The assumption is Cody is the booker, but as far as I've seen nothing has been confirmed on that side.

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