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    thank you for supporting my company

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    i am not 'in the know', but i assume that most of these performers will, indeed, be breathing oxygen while under contract

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuneEdge View Post
    And that justifies executive positions at the company? And the role that Brandi has been given? I don't know about that. Its a dumb business move unless Cody and the Bucks actually had a say in putting themselves in those positions, which would actually make sense.

    We can debate the semantics of who owns the company, what it means to be the CEO, the executive, who calls the shots, etc. But not every company is run the same. The Khans dont have to run the business by themselves. And its not beyond the realm of possibility that the Khan's would merely be taking a back seat and reaping the profits, while letting someone they trust (The Elite) to run the operation.
    I was just commenting on why they would use the Elite brand for the company name. I can't speak on why Cody, the Bucks, and Brandi have those positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    I was just commenting on why they would use the Elite brand for the company name. I can't speak on why Cody, the Bucks, and Brandi have those positions.
    So then what happens when those guys were to part ways with the company? It doesn't make sense to me to name it after this brand unless Cody and the Bucks were an integral part of this operation, and were influential enough to become executives within the company.

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    Jesus I hope some actual news concerning AEW happens soon.

    I could give a shit if Cody walks around with "Executive V.P. in charge of being kick ass" stamped on his face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    thank you for supporting my company
    Thanks for being a douche.

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    do you think they will use ring ropes?

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    I'm praying to GOD that the ring is six sided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    do you think they will use ring ropes?
    Nope: The ropes will be laffy taffy and they’ll be wrapped around the ring posts, which are actually just three 9-year-olds in a trench coat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    I'm praying to GOD that the ring is six sided.
    I'm hoping it's a triangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    I'm hoping it's a triangle.
    I'm sold

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    the ringside area is like a moat

    oh shit that is kinda wcw-ish too i love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Thanks for being a douche.
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    the ringside area is like a moat

    oh shit that is kinda wcw-ish too i love it
    I may need to invest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Let's not forget how well TNT thought of WCW to the point where they were getting the best ratings on TNT and were still cancelled.
    That was AOL not Turner. The worst merger ever. That group of morons is no longer there. TNT is such a perfect spot, I hope they call it Monday Night Otrin or something.

    It also appears Ziggler is tweeting mysterious stuff. So, good for him, because I will never forgive them for not putting more of a spotlight on him after the Survivor Series where he stole the show to end the Authority. Sting helped but that was a star making moment only for Cena giving him an Atta Boy. Fuck them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    That was AOL not Turner. The worst merger ever. That group of morons is no longer there. TNT is such a perfect spot, I hope they call it Monday Night Otrin or something.

    It also appears Ziggler is tweeting mysterious stuff. So, good for him, because I will never forgive them for not putting more of a spotlight on him after the Survivor Series where he stole the show to end the Authority. Sting helped but that was a star making moment only for Cena giving him an Atta Boy. Fuck them.
    I still think they had plans for him and something got fucked up.

    I remember him coming out pointing to his ear and then the back and saying "i hear you... They hear you"

    I was at that survivor series and I really thought that was gonna be the beginning of a push for Ziggler

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    That Survivor Series could have been a giant turning point of not having to deal with Authority figures, Ziggler being a main eventer and Sting being a legend. Instead, it lead to the worst HHH match at Wrestlemania. Honestly, if JR/Cole wasn't a thing, HHH/Sting would be the worst booked Wrestlemania of this century. Ziggler going to AEW makes the most amount of sense since WWE has no idea what to do with him since day one. I am hearing Sasha might be another jumper. That would be huge.

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    sasha and bayley would be good jumps. they really need some names if they want a significant womens divison like they say.

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    May get your wish with Sasha.

    She was posting "Take me with you" gifs @TheRevival the other day

    All the time with that stuff.

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    There's a lot of talent who would thrive in AEW, Sasha Banks is one of them. They're just giving her a push against Rousey but we all know Rousey is going to win and then Sasha will be back to selling hot dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    That was AOL not Turner. The worst merger ever. That group of morons is no longer there. TNT is such a perfect spot, I hope they call it Monday Night Otrin or something.

    It also appears Ziggler is tweeting mysterious stuff. So, good for him, because I will never forgive them for not putting more of a spotlight on him after the Survivor Series where he stole the show to end the Authority. Sting helped but that was a star making moment only for Cena giving him an Atta Boy. Fuck them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I still think they had plans for him and something got fucked up.

    I remember him coming out pointing to his ear and then the back and saying "i hear you... They hear you"

    I was at that survivor series and I really thought that was gonna be the beginning of a push for Ziggler
    Roman was supposed to end the Authority, but due to his injury, they put Ziggler in his place at SS. Once Roman was good to go, that was the end for Dolph.

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    So Jericho got a bit drunk and started tweeting last night


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    We don't need you either Jericho. Your dream is over. Go enjoy a cruise or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    I'm hoping it's a triangle.
    I hope it’s the double ring Wargames ring but they never use the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    So Jericho got a bit drunk and started tweeting last night

    Not really fair for Jericho to be poking fun at how much of a gut anyone has put on.

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    Remember how one of those podcast assholes, either Conrad Thompson or the dude who hosts with Cornette, got in a Twitter bitch fight with Lance Storm because they were making fun of Chris Jericho's man boobs?

    Yeah... Jericho isn't one to talk about getting out of shape. When you're in a rock band, playing shows and probably drowning yourself in free beer every night, you start to get out of "wrestling shape". If Jericho didn't have the dedication to have the kinds of matches he still does, he'd be a fucking blob by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    So Jericho got a bit drunk and started tweeting last night

    I'm sure it's all fun n games, but it's not a good look for AEW for them to have this clubhouse demeanor when they haven't even got off the ground yet.

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    So...Dean Ambrose.

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    I'd like to see what AEW lets Dean do.

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    My first reaction is not to be so excited about it but that’s just because wwe production has neutered him so much. With creative freedom he’ll probably be pretty great if he goes

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    Besides obviously wanting to see underutilised guys performing elsewhere like AEW, I think I'm more excited about the thought that this might put pressure on WWE to raise their game. Their product is boring as fuck right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuneEdge View Post
    Besides obviously wanting to see underutilised guys performing elsewhere like AEW, I think I'm more excited about the thought that this might put pressure on WWE to raise their game. Their product is boring as fuck right now.
    It's getting better though. Smackdown has been pretty good since TLC and raw is better now than it was and trending in the right direction.

    I think that'd partly a result of AEW

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    Or it's just naturally building to Mania season.

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    Until AEw actually starts gaining WWE talent, or Fox puts the pressure on them, WWE will remain the same.

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    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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    It is broke though from a creative point of view

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    I'd disagree with that. They do some stupid booking but their TV over the last few weeks has been very very entertaining and feeling quite fresh.

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    I mean, it should. If it's not facing football and is heading into its peak season, it should be entertaining and fresh. That doesn't take away from the time before that and the mess that was present during that period. He was a fairly big victim of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeHunt View Post
    I'd disagree with that. They do some stupid booking but their TV over the last few weeks has been very very entertaining and feeling quite fresh.
    So we are basing it on a few weeks? What has been fresh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeHunt View Post
    I'd disagree with that. They do some stupid booking but their TV over the last few weeks has been very very entertaining and feeling quite fresh.
    It should be at this time of year as from Jan to March/April is when they need to get eyeballs on the product

    A lot of the rest of the year is treading water (I am not including NXT here which is great)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    It's getting better though. Smackdown has been pretty good since TLC and raw is better now than it was and trending in the right direction.

    I think that'd partly a result of AEW
    Why? Honest question....

    They don't have a product to base anything off of. I apologize if I'm not in the camp of everything the Bullet Club does=awesome, but I'm just not. I have seen plenty of Cody Rhodes, The Young Bucks, Chris Jericho, Hangman Page, to know that the WWE aren't going "oh fuck with that roster we better finally start putting out a quality product!" And talent blindly going to AEW because of Khan's checkbook smells very familiar.

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    WWE has always been entertaining for me. Sure the sheer volume of output they have seems overwhelming, 3 hour RAWs, 2 hour Smackdowns, 1 hour NXT, 1 hour NXT UK, 1 hour 205 live, 18 hour PPVs, etc. but it's still incredibly fun to chat about and follow. Just don't have the time to watch everything but I'm as big a fan as ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Why? Honest question....

    They don't have a product to base anything off of. I apologize if I'm not in the camp of everything the Bullet Club does=awesome, but I'm just not. I have seen plenty of Cody Rhodes, The Young Bucks, Chris Jericho, Hangman Page, to know that the WWE aren't going "oh fuck with that roster we better finally start putting out a quality product!" And talent blindly going to AEW because of Khan's checkbook smells very familiar.
    I doubt we'll see some kind of mass exodus of talent from WWE. It would be unwise for anyone to leave before seeing what AEW has to offer as a product, not to mention the WWE level pay, healthcare, etc. I also doubt Khan is willing to spend the money to sign every WWE talent who's interested. Even if "X" Wrestler wants in, AEW might not be interested.

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    To Mike's point, WWE does not always feel fresh or exciting this time of year. I seem to recall many of us complaining about how shitty and dull mania season was in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Why? Honest question....

    They don't have a product to base anything off of. I apologize if I'm not in the camp of everything the Bullet Club does=awesome, but I'm just not. I have seen plenty of Cody Rhodes, The Young Bucks, Chris Jericho, Hangman Page, to know that the WWE aren't going "oh fuck with that roster we better finally start putting out a quality product!" And talent blindly going to AEW because of Khan's checkbook smells very familiar.
    I said partly because I don't think it's a big reason or even most of the reason.

    Most of why WWE has gotten better recently is probably the fox deal coming up. I know it's wrestlemania season but the last few years wm build haven't been all that good.

    And the fact that there is a US based promotion with deep pockets starting, behind the hottest indy talent in memory has to play in Wwe's mind. You can argue the elite aren't your cup of tea... That's fine but the deal WWE offered the young bucks is insane and unprecedented. It shows wwe knows the value these guys have.

    Again I don't think wwe is shaking in their boots but the combined fact of the TV deal coming up and this promotion starting has to be part of reason the product has turned around. Even if it just means pushing unhappy talent that we enjoy. If Dean really is saying he's leaving and it results in a more interesting dean ambrose on WWE tv... That's partly because aew.

    I mean, the revival getting time on raw has made raw more entertaining for me because I enjoy the revival. Theyre probably on TV because they want to go to AEW.

    I know they say Braun getting pulled from the title match was planned all along but the fact that Finn got the spot right now seems odd too. That made the product more interesting to me and I credit that partly to the threat (however minor) of AEW
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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    So we are basing it on a few weeks? What has been fresh?
    Bryan's character, the women in a prominent position with decent stories, Miz/Shane dynamic is fairly interesting (even if I can't stand watching Shane wrestle), Balor finding his feet. There tons of stuff going on the feels fresh and we aren't just watching the same 3 hours of TV every Monday. The fact we don't know what the Mania Card is going to be at this point says a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    It should be at this time of year as from Jan to March/April is when they need to get eyeballs on the product

    A lot of the rest of the year is treading water (I am not including NXT here which is great)
    Is it really though? I feel like that is the rule of thumb but as RP said last year and for me everything including the build to 30 has been fairly shite.

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    It feels like you're bringing up two very different points.

    It should be the time of the year where the eyeballs get on the product. That's obvious. So they should be attempting to crank things up or present fresh things.
    With that being the case, do they hit the mark in that guaranteed time where things should crank up? No. But that clearly goes to a situation where it's personal preference.

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    Lets add the potential intergender stuff going to the list.

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    I really want to believe in AEW, but this is going to take a long time to really get off the ground. Right now, they have no TV deal, and their first show isn't even until May. That is a while. The company is going to probably lose money at some point, and I just don't know how much passion the Kahns have about the product. WCW was able to survive and was able to pull out of moments where it was going under in the early 90's, because Ted Turner really loved the product, and it was his baby. And once he was removed from decision making with the AOL merger, WCW was fucked. Money, and genuine interest in the business are key factors.

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    Khan is a big pro wrestling fan.

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    Dustin & Greg apparently gave notice to NJPW and are AEW bound.

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    Kenta now too.

    Holy shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I said partly because I don't think it's a big reason or even most of the reason.

    Most of why WWE has gotten better recently is probably the fox deal coming up. I know it's wrestlemania season but the last few years wm build haven't been all that good.

    And the fact that there is a US based promotion with deep pockets starting, behind the hottest indy talent in memory has to play in Wwe's mind. You can argue the elite aren't your cup of tea... That's fine but the deal WWE offered the young bucks is insane and unprecedented. It shows wwe knows the value these guys have.

    Again I don't think wwe is shaking in their boots but the combined fact of the TV deal coming up and this promotion starting has to be part of reason the product has turned around. Even if it just means pushing unhappy talent that we enjoy. If Dean really is saying he's leaving and it results in a more interesting dean ambrose on WWE tv... That's partly because aew.

    I mean, the revival getting time on raw has made raw more entertaining for me because I enjoy the revival. Theyre probably on TV because they want to go to AEW.

    I know they say Braun getting pulled from the title match was planned all along but the fact that Finn got the spot right now seems odd too. That made the product more interesting to me and I credit that partly to the threat (however minor) of AEW
    I'll be honest, I don't think the product is all that great. What stands out that's awesome on Raw and Smackdown?

    Blindly attributing anything you personally find entertaining to AEW, no matter how big or small, is very odd to me. Again, I don't think WWE has been anything above what they normally have been.

    I don't see any correlation between Finn Balor getting Braun's spot and the "threat" of AEW. Where was the threat a year ago when Jinder lost to AJ a week before SS? How about when AJ lost a week before the last Survivor Series? That is no different than what we saw with Finn.

    I'm actually curious as to what you parts of the show you think are a positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I'll be honest, I don't think the product is all that great. What stands out that's awesome on Raw and Smackdown?

    Blindly attributing anything you personally find entertaining to AEW, no matter how big or small, is very odd to me. Again, I don't think WWE has been anything above what they normally have been.

    I don't see any correlation between Finn Balor getting Braun's spot and the "threat" of AEW. Where was the threat a year ago when Jinder lost to AJ a week before SS? How about when AJ lost a week before the last Survivor Series? That is no different than what we saw with Finn.

    I'm actually curious as to what you parts of the show you think are a positive.
    I get what you're saying so maybe it is personal. I've enjoyed raw more since the AEW announcement. Maybe it's led to me reading into stuff happening on raw and smackdown in relation to AEW and that's given me more enjoyment.

    In general though if you asked most smarky fans they would say raw has been more entertaining since the McMahon shakeup thing. Me personally correlating that with AEW could very well be just that... Personal but to me it makes a ton of sense.

    As for what I've found more entertaining. Seth Rollins push, Finn's push, more revival, the McMahons being neutral(ish) authority, Daniel Bryan's heel turn. Fuck I've enjoyed silly production shit they've done because its different. Angel's flashback interview, the next callups, I even enjoyed the silly. Mandy rose shit including the hokey as fuck hotel scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I get what you're saying so maybe it is personal. I've enjoyed raw more since the AEW announcement. Maybe it's led to me reading into stuff happening on raw and smackdown in relation to AEW and that's given me more enjoyment.

    In general though if you asked most smarky fans they would say raw has been more entertaining since the McMahon shakeup thing. Me personally correlating that with AEW could very well be just that... Personal but to me it makes a ton of sense.

    As for what I've found more entertaining. Seth Rollins push, Finn's push, more revival, the McMahons being neutral(ish) authority, Daniel Bryan's heel turn. Fuck I've enjoyed silly production shit they've done because its different. Angel's flashback interview, the next callups, I even enjoyed the silly. Mandy rose shit including the hokey as fuck hotel scene.
    Some of that stuff happened well before the AEW announcement.

    I get it, people want some type of Monday Night War situation to happen. They think the threat of AEW is something more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Some of that stuff happened well before the AEW announcement.

    I get it, people want some type of Monday Night War situation to happen. They think the threat of AEW is something more.
    All of that had happened since it became pretty obvious AEW was coming. Not that it's all in relation.

    You asked what I've seen from WWE that I have liked that was making the product better, that's stuff I've enjoyed.

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    I also don't want or expect some Monday night war but you belittling AEW's impact already is as ridiculous as people saying AEW is going to put WWE out of business.

    The revival (one of the best tag teams in the world) asked for their release days after AEW launched. Dean fucking Ambrose isn't going to resign. Kenta has quit. A ton of WWE talent have changed their Twitter names to their real names in the last few weeks.

    I don't see how all of that can be a coincidence

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    Revival yes,Ambrose is still a question mark to me and I would assume KENTA will go to Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I also don't want or expect some Monday night war but you belittling AEW's impact already is as ridiculous as people saying AEW is going to put WWE out of business.

    The revival (one of the best tag teams in the world) asked for their release days after AEW launched. Dean fucking Ambrose isn't going to resign. Kenta has quit. A ton of WWE talent have changed their Twitter names to their real names in the last few weeks.

    I don't see how all of that can be a coincidence
    A lot of WWE have talent over the last 2 years or so have started to change their social media to their real names. Even Braun Strowman did it.

    What I'm saying is you are jumping the gun and trying to convince yourself (and others) that AEW is already shaking the boots of a multi-billion dollar worldwide company when they haven't done shit. They literally haven't done anything that Vince hasn't seen before and do you really think that they're tripping about a handful of talent they rarely used when they have the biggest roster with the most depth of any promotion?

    Out of those names, Dean Ambrose is the biggest loss but he's replaceable. It's sad to say that, he's one of my favorites, but what would be missing when he's gone? They didn't give you anything to miss.

    Wrestlers come and go, product is good one day, shitty the next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    A lot of WWE have talent over the last 2 years or so have started to change their social media to their real names. Even Braun Strowman did it.

    What I'm saying is you are jumping the gun and trying to convince yourself (and others) that AEW is already shaking the boots of a multi-billion dollar worldwide company when they haven't done shit. They literally haven't done anything that Vince hasn't seen before and do you really think that they're tripping about a handful of talent they rarely used when they have the biggest roster with the most depth of any promotion?

    Out of those names, Dean Ambrose is the biggest loss but he's replaceable. It's sad to say that, he's one of my favorites, but what would be missing when he's gone? They didn't give you anything to miss.

    Wrestlers come and go, product is good one day, shitty the next.
    Agree to disagree. I think it's part of the reason WWE has been more enjoyable lately. Even if that's just in my head, for me it has made things more entertaining.

    Maybe I'm playing fan fiction in my head or reaching to connect shit but a lot of it seems cut and dry to me.

    Can just agree that what the elite has done to raise stock in indy wrestling, and what Cody has done in particular has shown that guys can forge their own path and still make good money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    Agree to disagree. I think it's part of the reason WWE has been more enjoyable lately. Even if that's just in my head, for me it has made things more entertaining.

    Maybe I'm playing fan fiction in my head or reaching to connect shit but a lot of it seems cut and dry to me.

    Can just agree that what the elite has done to raise stock in indy wrestling, and what Cody has done in particular has shown that guys can forge their own path and still make good money?
    I think we have to look @ AJ Styles and the Bullet Club. Without the Bullet Club, I'm not sure if anything the Bucks, Cody, etc. do matters to the extent that it does. But I think AJ showed the boys you didn't truly need TNA or WWE if you were good enough, and Cody showed just how good the Bullet Club dust is when it's sprinkled on you.

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    Cody created his own buzz before the Bullet Club stuff though, didn't he? The big thing was his list of matches he wanted to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Cody created his own buzz before the Bullet Club stuff though, didn't he? The big thing was his list of matches he wanted to have.
    His buzz was no different at that time than a lot of talent that left. I remember John Morrison had buzz, even Sandow had buzz. But once Cody aligned with the Bullet Club, which I believe wasn't too long after he left the WWE, he was able to ride on that wave. Hell he did it just now....I don't know a lot of CODY fans, but I know a lot of ELITE fans. The true elite, Omega and the Young Bucks. That's not to say Cody hasn't delivered, he has for sure. But he owes a lot to the Bullet Club. Many do. Even AJ Styles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I think we have to look @ AJ Styles and the Bullet Club. Without the Bullet Club, I'm not sure if anything the Bucks, Cody, etc. do matters to the extent that it does. But I think AJ showed the boys you didn't truly need TNA or WWE if you were good enough, and Cody showed just how good the Bullet Club dust is when it's sprinkled on you.
    I don't really think AJ should get the credit. He did all that then came to WWE. AJ def gets credit as making the bullet club cool and getting it over so in a way he gave the bucks the platform, but I don't really think AJ should get the credit of dudes seeing they don't need WWE.

    AJ's path isn't the path I'm talking about. AJ established himself in TNA an then New Japan and then came to WWE. AJ followed the same tried to true "WWE is the goal" path that has been established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    His buzz was no different at that time than a lot of talent that left. I remember John Morrison had buzz, even Sandow had buzz. But once Cody aligned with the Bullet Club, which I believe wasn't too long after he left the WWE, he was able to ride on that wave.
    Right, I was just questioning if you meant he didn't generate anything prior to the affiliation because the list was something that was generating interest. I'm fine if you're equating it to the others rather than saying he had nothing going for him before affiliating, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    His buzz was no different at that time than a lot of talent that left. I remember John Morrison had buzz, even Sandow had buzz. But once Cody aligned with the Bullet Club, which I believe wasn't too long after he left the WWE, he was able to ride on that wave. Hell he did it just now....I don't know a lot of CODY fans, but I know a lot of ELITE fans. The true elite, Omega and the Young Bucks. That's not to say Cody hasn't delivered, he has for sure. But he owes a lot to the Bullet Club. Many do. Even AJ Styles.
    This is all true. I'm not a Cody mark whatsoever. Honestly the only match of his I think I'll ever remember was against aldis at all in and that's mostly because I was there and the story of the match was dope.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Cody is amazing on BTE though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I don't really think AJ should get the credit. He did all that then came to WWE. AJ def gets credit as making the bullet club cool and getting it over so in a way he gave the bucks the platform, but I don't really think AJ should get the credit of dudes seeing they don't need WWE.

    AJ's path isn't the path I'm talking about. AJ established himself in TNA an then New Japan and then came to WWE. AJ followed the same tried to true "WWE is the goal" path that has been established.
    Well then technically Cody didn't forge his own path. He was in the WWE from the time he was 18 years old for 10 years. He had 10 years of working for the biggest wrestling promotion of all time, he has the fucking last name of a wrestler who deserves his own Mt Rushmore of wrestling and a brother who is a legend in his own right.

    But because AJ was in TNA of all places and then New Japan, then came to the WWE when he didn't have to....? AJ didn't HAVE to come to the WWE. He can say it now that he's there, but before that, he would flat out say he doesn't need the WWE to feel complete. If he did, he wouldn't have turned them down 4-5 times over the years.



    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Right, I was just questioning if you meant he didn't generate anything prior to the affiliation because the list was something that was generating interest. I'm fine if you're equating it to the others rather than saying he had nothing going for him before affiliating, lol.
    No I'm saying he benefited greatly, more than he would have without the association. Nothing wrong with that.

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    Yeah Greg mighta burned a bridge there. Can’t say I’m sad to see all the gaijin leaving tho. Tag divisions are gonna be bare as fuck, but this opens a lot of opportunity for native Japanese and Chase Owens.

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    I don't remember anyone talking that much about Cody after he left WWE. He was just doing his thing on the Indies and shaking off the WWE label. Only hardcore fans who went to shows had anything positive to say about him. It wasn't until he went to New Japan and hooked up with the Bullet Club/Young Bucks that he became a thing. They definitely gave him a platform to establish his own brand that he wouldn't have had otherwise. However, I would say the relationship has been mutually beneficial and Cody has helped the Bullet Club gain more recognition in the US and has now become the figure head for the opposition to WWE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post

    Out of those names, Dean Ambrose is the biggest loss but he's replaceable. It's sad to say that, he's one of my favorites, but what would be missing when he's gone? They didn't give you anything to miss.

    Wrestlers come and go, product is good one day, shitty the next.
    I think that's the whole point. They didn't give us anything to miss.

    That's on them. There's wrestling all over the place right now, and WWE is the biggest and greatest ever, obviously and they'll keep printing money.

    This is kind of looking like major record labels to me. The artists know they can start their own Fat Wreck Chords or Psychopathic, and do it their own way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    I think that's the whole point. They didn't give us anything to miss.

    That's on them. There's wrestling all over the place right now, and WWE is the biggest and greatest ever, obviously and they'll keep printing money.

    This is kind of looking like major record labels to me. The artists know they can start their own Fat Wreck Chords or Psychopathic, and do it their own way.
    The record label thing is fucking spot on.

    AEW is the Insane Clown Posse.

    That's a hilarious sentence and I don't mean it as a shot like it might read to some.

    That's still a really fun sentence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    I don't remember anyone talking that much about Cody after he left WWE. He was just doing his thing on the Indies and shaking off the WWE label. Only hardcore fans who went to shows had anything positive to say about him. It wasn't until he went to New Japan and hooked up with the Bullet Club/Young Bucks that he became a thing. They definitely gave him a platform to establish his own brand that he wouldn't have had otherwise. However, I would say the relationship has been mutually beneficial and Cody has helped the Bullet Club gain more recognition in the US and has now become the figure head for the opposition to WWE.
    I mean, sorta but not really. He was working WCPW, IMPACT, and ROH and was in NJPW within 4 months of hitting the indies. He was never really quiet post-WWE. He spent his 90 days at home, posted his list, and immediately started doing big matches at NEW with Kurt.

    Joining the BC definitely helped him to become a mega-star without WWE, though. He took The Elite from a group within the BC and brought all his business acumen from Dusty and coupled it with this years of working in the big leagues. Cody definitely benefited from going to New Japan, but him leaving WWE helped to elevate the indies as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Khan is a big pro wrestling fan.
    That is good. Well, I hope he can stick with it, instead of just pulling out and withdrawing it, when it doesn't make the kind of profit that he likes.

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    pretty sure if he was worried about making insane profits he wouldn't have started a wrestling company to begin with. his family are billionaires who own an NFL and premier league team. he started the company by asking cody and the bucks if they wanted to change the business.

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    I do wonder how many people are opting out of contracts to go to AEW without being contacted by AEW. I think KENTA will go back to Japan. After the AEW Exodus, he can be a giant star there. I don't see Ambrose going to AEW either. I get the feeling, he is burned out and may coast for a year following a band around with a rather annoyed Renee. I do think the Revival want out. As much as I love Hawkins and Zack being a team, I am not sure the Revival views it as a big deal. Honestly, I expect more people coming out of ROH than WWE.

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    I dunno if it's necessarily them opting out for AEW as much as it is, "I can make a pretty good living without WWE."

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    I could see Dean fucking off for a bit but if he wants creative freedom AEW feels like it'd be a fit. Renee posting "no guts no glory" makes me think he plans to bet on himself though so... Who knows.

    Kenta I'm really not sure about. I'd imagine AEW wants him but I don't know much about the guy really. Noah is still around and I'd imagine new japan would love to have him too... But I'm not sure how that relationship it.

    Selfishly I want him in AEW because I've never got to see badass Kenta besides the bit on 205

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    The news about Dean Ambrose wanting to leave WWE in a few months has caused a ripple effect in the company and they are clearly worried about wrestlers going to All Elite Wrestling.

    On PWInsider Elite, Mike Johnson reported that there was a lot of buzz backstage at SmackDown Live as wrestlers were called into rooms because the company wants to extend their deals.

    Here is what Johnson said about what went down backstage at SmackDown:

    “After the Dean Ambrose news came out on late Monday/early Tuesday, there was a buzz of activity backstage at SmackDown as anybody who had a contract that was coming up in the next year or two was pulled into rooms and spoken to by management about signing longer form deals. All the wrestlers were sitting around looking at each other and going ‘would you look at this? this is crazy!'”

    Johnson continued, “there definitely was the realization that people could potentially leave to go to AEW. WWE might have been paying attention before to it and monitoring it as Triple H said but there was definitely a cause and effect between Dean Ambrose making the decision that he is leaving and that news coming out and everyone buzzing about it and then yesterday at SmackDown people being spoken to about deals.”

    All of the wrestlers asking for releases in recent weeks is not a coincidence. Mike Kanellis, Maria Kanellis, Hideo Itami, and The Revival have asked for releases. Itami is the only one being granted his release because he is moving back to Japan and Ambrose will be a free agent after the end of April.

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    https://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/de...ger-contracts/

    If this is actually true then it does suggest that there's reason to believe Ambrose is headed to AEW rather than disappearing from wrestling altogether like has been suggested.

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    I know AEW doesn't want to be the place for ex-WWE stars, but they'd be foolish not to pick up Ambrose. He has an established fanbase and there's going to be buzz about what he does next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    I'm sure it's all fun n games, but it's not a good look for AEW for them to have this clubhouse demeanor when they haven't even got off the ground yet.
    lol.. It's wrestling.

    And that one tweet will no doubt have VKM reaching into his pockets for a few(million) dollars more for Brock to retain the Universal title to the delight of all.

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    Of course they'll pick him up if he wants to go there. No doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer-Belly View Post
    I know AEW doesn't want to be the place for ex-WWE stars, but they'd be foolish not to pick up Ambrose. He has an established fanbase and there's going to be buzz about what he does next.
    They should definitely want to pick up big names from wwe. They’d be nuts not to want Ambrose. Let him be an edgy heel and let him do some hardcore matches to generate buzz.

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    There's a difference to WCW eventual line of thinking of poaching to what AEW could or should be thinking. I mean, if they show an eventual track record of success and someone like Zack Ryder is still floundering in WWE, there could be some hubris shown from AEW to suggest they can sprinkle their magic dust and then build someone up. Ambrose is someone completely different. He's still at an ability to where he can work and not be washed in terms of performing. He's a marketable name in the wrestling industry. At the time of his departure, Cody fit more in the Ryder scenario than Jericho scenario but he bubbled up. Ambrose fits more in the Jericho scenario in terms of equity to the core audience and the ability to be a player. This is a guy who was an integral part to the most impactful group of this generation for WWE. If he was in a main event story, you felt like he belonged. If he was floundering, it was mainly because they didn't have anything worth a damn for him. He matters.

    If you're grabbing quarters and hoping to turn it into a dollar, you might get there but it'll take time. If you've got the ability to get that dollar and can turn it into a five dollar or ten dollar bill, you've got potential on your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Khan is a big pro wrestling fan.

    there isn't anything he khant do.

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    I hope AEW is a touring company, I'd like to see some of their shows live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    They should definitely want to pick up big names from wwe. They’d be nuts not to want Ambrose. Let him be an edgy heel and let him do some hardcore matches to generate buzz.
    I'm curious if AEW is going to allow blading. Ambrose can succeed without it, but his Jon Moxley character was obviously pretty violent. Something similar to his FCW character would work.

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    It wasn't even that he was violent it was that he represented real shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer-Belly View Post
    I'm curious if AEW is going to allow blading. Ambrose can succeed without it, but his Jon Moxley character was obviously pretty violent. Something similar to his FCW character would work.
    considering Cody's blatant blade job at all in id imagine theyre at least open to it.

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    they better do blood

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    If not blood maybe they can go with peanut butter

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    I don't know where else to post this but I'm watching come hell or high water because there has been some buzz that there might be some AEW stuff.

    Rey Fenix almost just killed some fans with a missed dive.

    Fucking bonkers.

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    Oh boy out come to bucks to meet the lucha bros in the ring.

    Fucking hell tell me you signed pentagon

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    Fucking hell the indy tour the bucks have been doing with the elite is God damn brilliant.

    I paid ten bucks to watch this.

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    That's a huge huge get.

    Pentagon and Rey Fenix to AEW

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    The Fenix bump I mentioned including Joey Janela with a fantastic call.

    https://streamable.com/dy20o

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    My first reaction to that spot is it's fucking stupid, but after thinking about it for a second it's realistic. Wrestlers are gonna go for shit like that and totally whiff sometimes. Why not plan the fuck up? The call makes it even better.

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    Wait watched it again. Botchamania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    So Jericho got a bit drunk and started tweeting last night

    Or seeds are being planted. Brocks contract is up In may after he gets his last big payday in Saudi Arabia. Brock will go where the money is and when you have a billionaire who could drop 10 or 15 million to fire a shot you never know what could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    That's a huge huge get.

    Pentagon and Rey Fenix to AEW
    this has me really excited! Pentagon is one of my favorites.

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