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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Probably because the Elite is an established brand and All In was such a successful event. Naming it the "Khan Wrestling Federation" does nothing from a marketing standpoint. Cody and the Bucks are the faces of the company and doing most of the promotion, so using their own brand is more beneficial. It will have a stronger connection with fans and other people in the industry. Maybe if Jarrett had gone with "Double J Wrestling" instead of "Global Force" it would have succeeded

    This proves that the Chief Brandi Officer contributed more than just a few tee-shirts.

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    Unless it's called Braun Strowman's Hoss Tossing Wild Wrestling Federation, I will not be tuning in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Probably because the Elite is an established brand and All In was such a successful event. Naming it the "Khan Wrestling Federation" does nothing from a marketing standpoint. Cody and the Bucks are the faces of the company and doing most of the promotion, so using their own brand is more beneficial. It will have a stronger connection with fans and other people in the industry. Maybe if Jarrett had gone with "Double J Wrestling" instead of "Global Force" it would have succeeded
    And that justifies executive positions at the company? And the role that Brandi has been given? I don't know about that. Its a dumb business move unless Cody and the Bucks actually had a say in putting themselves in those positions, which would actually make sense.

    We can debate the semantics of who owns the company, what it means to be the CEO, the executive, who calls the shots, etc. But not every company is run the same. The Khans dont have to run the business by themselves. And its not beyond the realm of possibility that the Khan's would merely be taking a back seat and reaping the profits, while letting someone they trust (The Elite) to run the operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Be careful claiming things are facts that you literally cannot prove, at all.



    She's not even doing that. She does her own social media platforms. For example, the guy who handles the twitter and IG for AEW is Rick Stansfield.
    Yes. He works for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Not sure why you are being so obtuse.
    lol

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    it's truly an amazing quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    Yes. He works for her.
    No, he actually works for Nick Jackson, that's who pays him in Pro Wrestling Tee mystery boxes.

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    So, since AEW was announced ROH signed up Rush and is supposedly gonna sign Luchasaurus. Good to see the pressure being there to get all the top indie guys squared away. ROH, AEW, NJPW, IMPACT, and WWE/NXT are fighting to snatch people up. Obvs ROH and NJPW still work together for now, but I foresee NJPW going to a deal with AEW instead.

    i just remembered that ROH has also signed PCO, Brody King, and fuckin Bandido all in the last month too.
    Last edited by Hero!; January 15th, 2019 at 6:58 PM.

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    I love how they wrote "and Cody"

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    Cause he sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    Sheís not doing either. Sheís handling the social media. Thatís what a brand manager does.
    She also has a masters in broadcast journalism which I am sure lends well to this role and many many others.

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    Jericho talked about AEW on his pod today.

    Jericho said in 2017 that the touring of Fozzy eventually grew to a point where he needed to pick wrestling or touring as more of a primary means of work so he choose touring. Eventually he got the call to pitch the match with Omega at Wrestle Kingdom. Was just going to be a one-off deal and that he was going to get part of the buyrate and gate based on the deal he signed. When he told Vince about the deal, Vince was good with it because even though he was wrestling in NJPW, he was seen as a WWE guy so that would make him a bigger deal when he came back. As he was there, Jericho grew to like the approach of NJPW and how they functioned. He referenced it was more of the wild west in terms of not being so micromanaged and that appealed to him. As that came around, he talked to Gedo and said he wanted to do the New Year's Dash stuff and would do more later. Vince wondered why Jericho did the extra stuff and Jericho said it was a one-off and he'll keep him in the loop.

    Jericho eventually signed a three-match deal and around that time, Vince wanted him to do Raw 25 and they agreed eventually on the parameters of that appearance and then the GRR. The money was enough (top 6 or 7 in terms of a payoff) for Jericho to sign off on it. Jericho said Vince was more apprehensive about hearing about the three-match deal with NJPW. After he told Vince about the deal with NJPW, Jericho said that the match between Taker and Jericho was changed once again to Rusev and Taker.

    When Jericho won the IC title and then called Vince to pitch and IC title versus IC title match. Vince wasn't sure how that would work out and when Jericho brought it up again he never heard back from Vince. Jericho brought up the cruise to WWE and eventually NXT was given the first pitch and they passed. He got close with the Young Bucks at that time. A group text started being built, with Cody being involved. Jericho's agent brought up Tony Kahn and an idea Kahn was thinking about and Jericho took the meeting (he kind of mentioned that then just didn't follow up on that).

    Cody asked if Jericho would do All In even though he knows "Piper doesn't work in Portland" knowing that Jericho likely wasn't going to work in North America. WWE gets its TV deal and Vince asks for Jericho to work in Saudi Arabia again. Jericho asked about how much he was going to get paid and never heard an answer back. Since he didn't hear back, he went back to listen to the pitch from Cody and the Bucks about All In. He flew from Little Rock to Chicago and then back for his show, and the jet was chartered by Kahn. He brought up another meeting with Kahn a few weeks later when Fozzy was having a show in Jacksonville. Once he heard more about Kahn and the business acumen, Jericho became more intrigued. The initial offer blew his mind but he also figured WWE would eventually match the offer. After the cruise was successful, he wondered if it was even worth it to go back to WWE because he didn't really know what they'd pitch for a return and he was having fun working with the eventual AEW guys. The look he was establishing in NJPW didn't fit with what WWE was likely expecting from him and that made him unsure if it was a good idea to go back to WWE. He also pondered doing some Impact dates around this time but Kahn's offer was the most captivating offer.

    He said he felt like AEW was showing him respect and showing him that they have a lot of expectations for him. The fact that he was going to be relied upon and challenged felt like it was another piece of the puzzle that make him excited about AEW. It's an exclusive deal with AEW but still has an out where he can do things with NJPW but nothing has been set in regards to them yet. He gave WWE a chance to make an offer but he never really got a major offer but things ended amicably. Jericho still likes Vince and considers him as a friend.

    Jericho talked about the infrastructure and how people are too green to know how to do the jobs they're doing. He cited how Vince wasn't fully experienced when he took over. Jericho knows that the Kahn's can handle a big business because of what they're currently doing. He knows that Cody and the Bucks will be successful. Cody left WWE so he knows in some ways how they run a machine and his father was his father. For the Bucks, Jericho saw how they built things from the ground up and brokered a deal with Hot Topic and created a revolution of sorts. The young, creative minds and money backing them really makes it exciting. He believes that the TV deal will ultimately be a big one.
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    Excellent stuff.

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    You're a middle-aged man trying to hold on to your youth by hanging out with Cody and The Young Bucks, Jericho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    You're a middle-aged man trying to hold on to your youth by hanging out with Cody and The Young Bucks, Jericho.
    If that were the case, what exactly is wrong with that?

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    Nothing I'm just bitter about him leaving WWE.

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    I don't know why you're so bitter, Donald. It might give competition, but it's not like AEW will put WWE out if business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Nothing I'm just bitter about him leaving WWE.
    Ahh I used to be like you when I was a fan of WCW, I was like 9 at the time though! Grow up Donald for crying out loud! Haha

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    Doubtful I ever will. I'm just gonna continue trucking through life like the fucktard I am

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    Donald for potty 2019.

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    Whoever does the POTTY next year, call Donald "Doald" and he's guaranteed to get in the top two. Some people call it the Sion Strategy.

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    Jungle Boy has signed with AEW. For those unfamiliar: he is the son of actor Luke Perry. He’s been working for two years and recently got a break on a GCW show, where he blew everyone away. Crazy athletic and tons of potential. Gonna be one to look out for.

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    Never heard of him so I looked him up on youtube. Seems to be a pretty standard flippy indie wrestler.



    Upon further investigation this video appears to be over a year old so he could be way way better now.

    Cool look though and based purely on that and his dad I could see him being fun in BTE therefore fun in AEW.

    I hadn't really thought about it until just now but the BTE thing really adds a super cool layer to AEW. If they continue doing it its a cheap easy way to get people to know and fall in love with unknown guys.

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    You pulled up a highlight video, which is of course, only gonna show his top moves out of context. His match at Janela’s LA Confidential was a real show-stealer and for being a 2-year-in no-name, Jungle Boy rocked the house, I promise you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    You pulled up a highlight video, which is of course, only gonna show his top moves out of context. His match at Janelaís LA Confidential was a real show-stealer and for being a 2-year-in no-name, Jungle Boy rocked the house, I promise you.
    Didn't mean to sound like I didn't believe you or anything. Twas just trying to find something to represent him quickly a bit.

    Look is fucking awesome though.

    Look at this bastard


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    Jungle Boy is great. Met him a couple years ago and had no idea he was Luke Perry's boy. He's been busting his ass and every time I see him he shows he's been learning and learning and learning. He'd be great at AEW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    Didn't mean to sound like I didn't believe you or anything. Twas just trying to find something to represent him quickly a bit.

    Look is fucking awesome though.

    Look at this bastard

    Hello.

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    Revival, Maria and Mike Kanellis rumoured to be asking for their releases.

    Has to be for this surely?

    Apparently WWE are fearful for the Revival in particular. Maybe they shouldnt have booked them like shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Hello.
    My new favourite wrestler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Hello.
    Youre a POTTY winner now mate, the boys come up and say hello to you.

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    So Cody knows his stuff because of his father?

    Thats rather funny recent revisionist WWE history because Daddy was quite well know before Vince gave him a job for running wrasslin promotions into the ground and owing the boys money left and right.

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    Meltzer is also reporting that WWE has told some indy talent that if they can show WWE their offer on paper WWE will match it/double it if they sign immediately with WWE.

    Sounds like a bullshit Meltzer report but still. Pretty interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    So Cody knows his stuff because of his father?

    Thats rather funny recent revisionist WWE history because Daddy was quite well know before Vince gave him a job for running wrasslin promotions into the ground and owing the boys money left and right.
    That's a pretty foolish comment to make. Cody may not be the most talented in-ring performer when it comes to technical wrestling moves, but his matches are still very entertaining, because he knows how to tell a story. This is a guy who got paper bags over, he even got his mustache over ferchrisakes. He, his wife Brandi, and the Young Bucks put together the successful All-in show, despite not having a stellar superstar line-up. They challenged themselves to do better, they are betting on themselves. Based on your comment, you seem to be under the impression that Cody learned NOTHING from his father - or that Dusty learned nothing from his own failures. Don't you think its possible, if not likely, that Cody learned from his father's mistakes as well? Dusty learned a lot over the years, and he helped teach an incredible number of today's performers learn perhaps the most important thing when it comes to rasslin - how to get any crowd to react the way you want them to. Cody knows this perhaps better than anyone his age.

    Cody and his wife/friends will undoubtedly make some mistakes along the way, and they have certainly bitten off a lot more if they are eventually planning to put together a weekly TV show. Sure, they haven't proven themselves yet, and they will have a tough road ahead of them. But they haven't failed yet. It should be fun to watch how this plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    That's a pretty foolish comment to make. Cody may not be the most talented in-ring performer when it comes to technical wrestling moves, but his matches are still very entertaining, because he knows how to tell a story. This is a guy who got paper bags over, he even got his mustache over ferchrisakes. He, his wife Brandi, and the Young Bucks put together the successful All-in show, despite not having a stellar superstar line-up. They challenged themselves to do better, they are betting on themselves. Based on your comment, you seem to be under the impression that Cody learned NOTHING from his father - or that Dusty learned nothing from his own failures. Don't you think its possible, if not likely, that Cody learned from his father's mistakes as well? Dusty learned a lot over the years, and he helped teach an incredible number of today's performers learn perhaps the most important thing when it comes to rasslin - how to get any crowd to react the way you want them to. Cody knows this perhaps better than anyone his age.

    Cody and his wife/friends will undoubtedly make some mistakes along the way, and they have certainly bitten off a lot more if they are eventually planning to put together a weekly TV show. Sure, they haven't proven themselves yet, and they will have a tough road ahead of them. But they haven't failed yet. It should be fun to watch how this plays out.
    No, not foolish because the context it
    was made in is as if being the Son of Dusty Rhodes gives you some inside edge in running a wrestling company because of Dusty's history and I'm simply pointing out that Dusty's history in running wrasslin company's is in running them into the ground so how's that an edge? The guy had to be pulled out of the poorhouse by Vince at 55, so that's hardly the most endorsing resume when saying "He's learned from hisfather".

    So hows that being foolish?

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    I don't know how it's been presented that he has an "inside edge" when it comes to help run a wrestling company. Did Triple H have an edge when it came to starting up NXT? No, but he went to meetings, observed, took things away that were positive, made his own judgments on what could be better, and has a good group around him. Just because Cody is the son of Dusty doesn't mean he's got the inside track to success but it certainly can't hurt his cause. It's ultimately up to him to make use of that knowledge. Even if he does to the greatest degree, that doesn't guarantee success. It doesn't guarantee failure because he doesn't pure experience in the field he's going to be in.

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    Its foolish because you are completely ignoring the fact that Dusty learned from his prior failures, and went on to become one of the best teachers that the WWE ever had. Why do so many of today's top performers give Dusty a lot of credit for helping them?

    What you are saying about Dusty's early work is akin to suggesting Paul Heyman should never be given any credit for the early Smackdown success, nor any of Brock Lesnar's success, because Heyman failed with ECW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I don't know how it's been presented that he has an "inside edge" when it comes to help run a wrestling company. Did Triple H have an edge when it came to starting up NXT? No, but he went to meetings, observed, took things away that were positive, made his own judgments on what could be better, and has a good group around him. Just because Cody is the son of Dusty doesn't mean he's got the inside track to success but it certainly can't hurt his cause. It's ultimately up to him to make use of that knowledge. Even if he does to the greatest degree, that doesn't guarantee success. It doesn't guarantee failure because he doesn't pure experience in the field he's going to be in.
    Welllll Triple H did have an edge with starting up NXT. It wasn't like he went from wrestler to the head of NXT. He has been under Vince's wing since 1996. Well before NXT became a thing Triple H was learning everything he could, business side, production side, talent relations. Trips had almost 20 years of experience with everything that makes the WWE work before they turned NXT into what it is today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Welllll Triple H did have an edge with starting up NXT. It wasn't like he went from wrestler to the head of NXT. He has been under Vince's wing since 1996. Well before NXT became a thing Triple H was learning everything he could, business side, production side, talent relations. Trips had almost 20 years of experience with everything that makes the WWE work before they turned NXT into what it is today.
    Yes, that's to a higher degree but it still really centers around being a sponge and soaking up all the information you possibly can. Who is to say Cody hasn't been doing that? Yes, it's different because Triple H had the direct line of contact and Cody probably didn't, but it's not like he can't look and ask around. He's also been to a bunch of independent companies since he's left WWE and probably saw a lot of things that worked well and didn't work well. I'm not saying it's a carbon copy situation but the core or crux of it centers on gathering intelligence. What you do with it is entirely up in the air.

    My main point was that Cody has insight from his father and the companies he's been in. That doesn't mean he exactly has a dramatic inside edge to success. It just means he's got information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Revival, Maria and Mike Kanellis rumoured to be asking for their releases.

    Has to be for this surely?

    Apparently WWE are fearful for the Revival in particular. Maybe they shouldnt have booked them like shit
    there is zero chance wwe is fearful about losing the revival.

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    Eh. I'm sure Vince isn't exactly clutching the family pearls and having palpitations, but I also don't think they want a world where people see they can go another US Based promotion and do better than they can at WWE.

    Particularly if the money is close.




    But out and out "fear" seems strong.





    I guess "WWE is somewhat concerned about losing the Revival" doesn't make good copy.

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    That rumor that WWE will match or double AEW's offer is fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    there is zero chance wwe is fearful about losing the revival.
    See main page

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    I doubt they care about losing the Revival, but they are fearful that this will lead to other talent also asking for their release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    See main page
    i read the story yesterday on Reddit. they are not fearful about losing the revival. they don't want talent going to another company with buzz right now, but nobody is scared they might lose them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I doubt they care about losing the Revival, but they are fearful that this will lead to other talent also asking for their release.
    they've got nothing to fear about that. they just won't be granting releases early anymore, their asses are covered by contracts. talent can pull a neville and sit at home or keep performing until it ends.

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    I think it's talent specific. Revival? Probably or possibly not. Hardyz (one or both)? I'd imagine that would certainly move more towards the scared category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I think it's talent specific. Revival? Probably or possibly not. Hardyz (one or both)? I'd imagine that would certainly move more towards the scared category.
    of course there's talent they're concerned about losing. the only reason they're giving a shit about the revival at all right now is cause of this shake up stuff.

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    They clearly have botched the Raw side of the tag division to a much higher extent. It seriously took me a good minute or two to figure out who the champions were. The Revival came in hot when they got called up and then injuries really got them off the rails. I think what's happened is they got neglectful of the division in more severity after that, much later on they figured they had to finally push AOP because they got called up, saw it wasn't working, find a transitional champion, and then circle back to The Revival. I'm guessing they're seeing how the division is ultimately playing out, got bored, and became more interested in doing stuff with The Bucks thus asked for their release.

    They seemed like the most obvious tag team to leave to go to AEW.

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    It's not even remotely close to being a secret that Vince is not high on straight up tag-teams. He'd rather push 2 singles guys as tag-team champs. But then you look at Smackdown, which imo a big draw of that brand is the Usos and whoever they're facing (New Day, Bar, Club, Pool, Bathroom, all the good teams). On Raw though it's just pitiful how poorly those teams are treated. Especially AOP. Just....wow

    AEW probably don't have any intention on beefing up their roster unless they have something major planned i.e. television. I could see them going after talent like Revival more than the Hardyz for example. The Hardyz would be doing it out of the kindness of their heart not for a WWE-level paycheck.

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    Which makes you wonder...who was pushing for a women's tag team championship?

    On AEW: My random two guesses for TV - TBS or the CW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Which makes you wonder...who was pushing for a women's tag team championship?

    On AEW: My random two guesses for TV - TBS or the CW.
    Probably a collection of people and since they're going to be part of both SD and Raw I could see this being something that is a sign of Vince taking a step back a little more and more as time goes by.

    CW? Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Probably a collection of people and since they're going to be part of both SD and Raw I could see this being something that is a sign of Vince taking a step back a little more and more as time goes by.

    CW? Interesting.
    Cody clearly has a relationship of some kind with Amell so there's some dots to connect. Doesn't seem like a major stretch to suggest the people watching stuff on CW would turn away from watching wrestling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Cody clearly has a relationship of some kind with Amell so there's some dots to connect. Doesn't seem like a major stretch to suggest the people watching stuff on CW would turn away from watching wrestling.
    His relationship with Stephen Amell may or may not translate into some sort of connection of getting AEW on the channel that is essentially the birthplace of Smackdown. But it'd feel more like when WWE were on SyFY and I'm not sure if pro wrestling would fit into the CW's format outside of it being "fantasy"

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    The rumour was that a deal with a Turner network is basically done. I think pretty much everything that guy said was happening has happened so there may be some truth to it.

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    Other than TNT, TBS and CNN, what are other Turner networks?

    Edit: just looked. Calling it right now, it ends up on TruTV. Skews younger and everyone loves Impractical Jokers.

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    Sal and Q love them some wrestling.

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    Funny thing is, TBS shows reruns of Impractical Jokers I believe.

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    TNT or TBS would obviously be a home run for them.


    But Judas is right, Tru could be a really good fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Funny thing is, TBS shows reruns of Impractical Jokers I believe.
    I haven't seen that, but I have seen like a local FOX or ABC affiliate show it randomly at like 6 AM. Super random.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I haven't seen that, but I have seen like a local FOX or ABC affiliate show it randomly at like 6 AM.
    Oh shit maybe that's what it was and I just thought it was TBS.

    Butttt after googling "Impractical Jokers TBS" it looks like Joe and Sal are part a show on TBS called Misery Index

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Oh shit maybe that's what it was and I just thought it was TBS.

    Butttt after googling "Impractical Jokers TBS" it looks like Joe and Sal are part a show on TBS called Misery Index
    Yeah, they're all supposed to be part of a game show for TBS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    TNT or TBS would obviously be a home run for them.

    But Judas is right, Tru could be a really good fit.
    Obviously it'd be great to be on TNT but I imagine it's harder to carve out a steady slot on that network due to their own content and then NBA coverage on Thursdays.

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    Let's not forget how well TNT thought of WCW to the point where they were getting the best ratings on TNT and were still cancelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Sal and Q love them some wrestling.

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    Sal and Q are at WWE TV events quite a bit, sitting behind commentary. Those two also interact with a lot of WWE people on social media. Not sure on if it was all four, but I know for sure Q and Sal were on Jericho's cruise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Let's not forget how well TNT thought of WCW to the point where they were getting the best ratings on TNT and were still cancelled.
    Its a lot different market today than 15+ years ago. The ratings for scripted tv series had not taken as steep of a decline back then. A lot of the people in charge are gone.


    But obviously TNT seems like a bit of a stretch. Anything where a majority of households have access to the channel and they could get a decent timeslot is a huge win.



    C'mon Netflix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Let's not forget how well TNT thought of WCW to the point where they were getting the best ratings on TNT and were still cancelled.
    There was a lot more going on there than TNT doesn't like wrestling.

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    Dolph Ziggler contract is expiring. Surely he must be tempted

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    If you really want to show off Dolph, go to AEW and bring all your non-existent WWE fans with you.

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    I thought Dolph was ready to get out of the game and work on his acting/comedy career?

    So if you're the WWE do you give the Revival a push and hope that makes them happy but risk them going out and not doing shit because they want to be released, or do you shelve them for the remainder of their contract?

    I hope AEW takes off. Just reading through this thread has me excited for what could be, more excited about wrestling than I've been in at least a year if not longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    There was a lot more going on there than TNT doesn't like wrestling.
    Like what? Everyone who matters has straight up said that one feller flat out said he did not want wrestling on TNT and boom, he got his wish. It had nothing to do with ratings, money, it was all about what someone wanted on the channel and they didn't feel wrestling fit. People want to sensationalize certain aspects because they don't find suit and ties interesting in comparison to Kevin Nash and Eric Bischoff "burying" the company, but it wasn't that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    I thought Dolph was ready to get out of the game and work on his acting/comedy career?

    So if you're the WWE do you give the Revival a push and hope that makes them happy but risk them going out and not doing shit because they want to be released, or do you shelve them for the remainder of their contract?

    I hope AEW takes off. Just reading through this thread has me excited for what could be, more excited about wrestling than I've been in at least a year if not longer.
    It's just a matter of what they want: keep them or ditch them. If you're WWE, you make good over the next 3-6 months and hope that gets them to change their mind, or you just completely shelve them. I imagine they'll go with the former. If they're professionals or want to give the appearance that they are, The Revival will do what is asked of them. That only helps when you move on to the next employer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    It's just a matter of what they want: keep them or ditch them. If you're WWE, you make good over the next 3-6 months and hope that gets them to change their mind, or you just completely shelve them. I imagine they'll go with the former. If they're professionals or want to give the appearance that they are, The Revival will do what is asked of them. That only helps when you move on to the next employer.
    This is very true. I don't think the WWE keeps them around because why keep guys who are obviously disgruntled around other employees if those guys will make no secret of the fact they don't want to be in the company? Could be very bad for morale. Having dudes standing around in catering doing nothing but talking about how much they hate the company, etc. On the flip side, WWE could not shelve them and instead turn the Revival into a joke, doing any number of stupid things as "punishment" but what message does that send to the rest of the locker room?

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    If Prichard is right, then McMahon wanted to get rid of people who didn't want to be there in the past. Who knows what it is now. Could be more hardball. PAC is another reference point as well. IIRC, he wasn't injured or anything, he was just disgruntled. So they were able to use contractual situations to keep him on ice, I believe. It just drags the process out even more. I think people in the locker room can see what's going on but they might not be able to fully relate it to them because there's different circumstances at play. I think WWE will push them and see what they're gathering from The Revival in terms of how they're feeling and then act accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    If you really want to show off Dolph, go to AEW and bring all your non-existent WWE fans with you.
    Lol. So so bitter Donald!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    Other than TNT, TBS and CNN, what are other Turner networks?

    Edit: just looked. Calling it right now, it ends up on TruTV. Skews younger and everyone loves Impractical Jokers.
    Got to be one of the least funny shows on the tv for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeHunt View Post
    Got to be one of the least funny shows on the tv for me.
    MikeHunt, window licker, IDIOT=doesn't like low brow comedy shows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post

    So if you're the WWE do you give the Revival a push and hope that makes them happy but risk them going out and not doing shit because they want to be released, or do you shelve them for the remainder of their contract?
    I referenced Prichard's take from the past and it was brought up by Conrad on this week's Something to Wrestle episode.

    "Sometimes it's just the relationship with Vince and how you present yourself, how you deal with things all along the road. If you always were there doing your job, never any problem or anything like that, and you are nice about asking, he'll do it. Sometimes if he thinks that he has something for you that's going be big or something that he feels is going to be right for you, he'll ask you to hang on and we'll try something else. I mean, as crazy as it is, sometimes it depends on the mood, it just depends on when you ask and who you ask."

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    Cody was interviewed by an ESPN reporter for AEW. Full interview is here, but here's a few of the more talked about aspects I took interest from:

    What are some of the specific job responsibilities that fall under your role as executive vice president role with AEW?
    CR: I am the executive vice president of talent, live events and creative. And that is the job I share with Matt and Nick. It's basically an extension of All In. I don't want to hang out in the past, but it is what we did for All In. It's recruiting talent, it's licensing talent, it's coordinating everything from stage design to scaling the MGM Grand Garden, which is what I was doing on my phone right before we started speaking. This is my dream job. I am doing it all currently. Recruiting talent, talking to talent, making deals, underwriting the contracts -- everything that is under the purview of that job and more because we are a startup.

    How will your creative approach be similar to your father and how will it be different?
    CR: My dad was executive producer at WCW and was the booker for Jim Crockett Promotions. I learned so much from being his son. I'll be honest -- I don't like when other people say it, but I can say it -- I learned from the things he did right and I also learned from the things he did wrong, because he had to live with them for a good portion of his career. A lot of it is on the board criticism, but I've seen that and I feel like I know what to stay away from and know which direction to go.

    One thing we are trying to do here is let guys go out there and play their music like they are going to play it. If I invest in a talent like, let's say MJF [Maxwell Jacob Friedman] for example, it's not my job to micromanage you. My job is to put a spotlight on you. I've seen your set of skills. We looked into you. We recruited you. I'm just using him as an example. Somebody like that, if you are paying them to be on your show, let them go out there and play their own song. Don't give them a new lyric sheet. Don't give them a new instrument. And that's the type of wrestling I grew up on.

    If we look at the heyday of WWF in the late '80s and the type of wrestling that I love dearly, those were grown men who knew what the direction was, they got a finish, they got a time, and they went out there and delivered what they delivered. It wasn't something that was micromanaged. Maybe slightly consulted or massaged, but they were the stars, so why micromanage them? We will not be micromanaging anybody.

    You mentioned at the rally in Jacksonville that you would like to apply the way the Hollywood treats talent to the wrestling industry. Can you give some specifics as to how that might play out?
    CR: You talk about acting and how they treat their talent, my favorite actor was my dad, who was a pro wrestler. It didn't matter whether it was 4,000, 14,000 or 40,000, he put on a performance on the same level as any TV or critically acclaimed film presentation. He did that. Wrestlers who are able to do that should be treated the same as the actors in the world who are able to that, too, but that's a long road, admittedly.

    The first thing you've got to do is up the price point. You've got to pay your wrestlers more. And to old-timey, carny promoters who say, "Oh, that's going to put you out of business," I disagree with that. I think if you have a proper merchandising and branding arm behind your brand, that you can absolutely supplement that income as well if you're able to provide genuine content that matches sizzle with substance. We did it once with All In and we plan to do it again with Double Or Nothing.

    We want to make this a better world for wrestling fans by making it a better world for wrestlers. So the first step you have is you up that price point and you take care of your wrestlers more. The more that happens, we can continue to go.

    A union in pro wrestling -- and that's this thing that people say all of the time, and they don't realize it -- a union in pro wrestling would put pro wrestling out of business. But, with that said, we should be actively working towards some sort of body, and this is outside of what I'm talking about with AEW and as me in the executive role, but we should actively be working to have the happiest talent you can possibly have. Whether that starts as a talent feedback system, or a players' league, or some sort of body where there's a complete, transparent communication between those in the office and those in the locker room.

    That's massively important, especially when you are traveling the world. I think taking those steps, even if they are baby steps, is great.

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    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Why?
    The things they're talking about are so unrealistic at this stage that even talking about it is a death sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    The things they're talking about are so unrealistic at this stage that even talking about it is a death sentence.
    I think their key to survival is to not try to compete with WWE. WCW tried, failed. TNA tried, failed. I don't think ROH or whatever hipster indie feds there are never tried to compete and that's why they're still around. I think if AEW is more like those, they will be successful because they have the financial backing. However I read one headline earlier that said "Khan wages war against Vince McMahon with AEW" I don't know if that's just piss pour journalism trying to capture readers or if that's the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Like what? Everyone who matters has straight up said that one feller flat out said he did not want wrestling on TNT and boom, he got his wish. It had nothing to do with ratings, money, it was all about what someone wanted on the channel and they didn't feel wrestling fit. People want to sensationalize certain aspects because they don't find suit and ties interesting in comparison to Kevin Nash and Eric Bischoff "burying" the company, but it wasn't that at all.
    I understand your point. I've heard everyone talk and I listen to bischoff weekly.

    I guess I just don't personally buy that as the sole reason WCW got cancelled. Maybe I'm being dense but everything else had to of play into it.

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    If anyone could be bothered to look up the Wilfreds debate I did about the downfall of WCW they'd know the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post

    The basic rule of business is there must be competition? The basic rule of business is to put out a better product that more consumers want to spend money on than your competition. Forget this nonsense about your Competition and Markets Authority or your Competition Regulator.

    The basic rule of business is to win at your business.

    And what Vince McMahon did was hardly monopolize the industry. He became the largest promoter in the history of the sport, but he also turned it into what he knew it could be: a GLOBAL POP CULTURE PHENOMENON, which, by the way, included competition, more eyes on the product, and more opportunities for talents including the burgeoning scene we see today.

    Remember these guys?


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    WCw was bleeding money, so it definitely wasn't just the sagging ratings. Bischoff only could secure funding if WCW stayed on Turner's airwaves, but they wanted to get that bad tadte out of their mouth.

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    I assume they must have this costed as I doubt the Khan's would find it otherwise

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    no. he definitely just agreed without any knowledge of how money will be used

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    LOL!

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    i am not 'in the know', but i assume that most of these performers will, indeed, be breathing oxygen while under contract

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    no. he definitely just agreed without any knowledge of how money will be used
    Given the long history of money marks in wrestling this sounds about right actually

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    not my company

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    Thank god

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    you'd watch anyway, marky mark

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