lol "qualifications" to be "chief brand officer", a totally made up thing. her having that position doesn't really make any less sense than the bucks and cody being 'executive vice presidents'; it's their project, they know wrestling and they know how they want to run the company.
I bet Cody books himself to become the first champion.
goodness me you dafty.Originally Posted by Romford Pele
.Dave, as expected, had a ton of things to say about AEW this week in the Observer. I've compiled the most interesting bits here.
They are negotiating with two major cable networks for a live weekly two-hour show
AEW opened picking up sizable talent and there are very serious negotiations with two major cable stations for a weekly two-hour live prime time television show
The Jacksonville show is expected to take place in July, and the third show is expected to take place in Chicago in September
The second AEW show will be during the summer in Jacksonville, with a large percentage of proceeds going to benefit victims of gun violence. There is still a lot to work out for the show, but it will most likely be in July or closely related to that.
The third show, as yet unannounced, is likely to be in Chicago, possibly back at the Sears Center, over Labor Day weekend with the idea of being the anniversary of the first All In, and would also be a PPV show.
They are unlikely to land Mayu Iwatani, but are looking at other Japanese women including bringing in Aja Kong
Women wrestlers from Stardom and other promotions have been contacted. One of the key ones was Mayu Iwatani, who is unlikely to come. ROH, which also has an affiliation with Stardom, paid for Iwatani’s three-year U.S. visa so unless ROH and AWE make a deal, which will be difficult because they are competitors, Stardom feels it would be wrong to have her work against ROH, which also has booked Iwatani for its Madison Square Garden show.
Several Japanese women have been talked about for at least certain dates, including Hall of Famer Aja Kong, but that deal is not believed to be completed. But the Japanese women are being heavily scouted.
Tuesday Night Dynamite probably won't be a thing
While Tuesday Night Dynamite was trademarked and that obviously meant Tuesday was the plan at that time, it is up to the station they sign with and right now Tuesday looks highly unlikely, but two hours of live prime time is still the plan with either deal.
The Young Bucks turned down a very unique deal from WWE
Paul Levesque worked hard at getting all four into WWE. Page was offered main roster money to work NXT, where he’d have been pushed as one of its top stars. The Bucks & Cody were offered strong deals. The Bucks deal was for money roughly the same as WWE champion A.J. Styles, which would have also included BTE being made a regular weekly show on the WWE Network, as well as something I’ve never heard WWE concede on, which was a six-month window where they could have left their three-year contract if they wanted and weren’t happy with their push.
Of course, WWE was fully aware of the Khan deal as this was going down, which was one of the reasons they went so hard in locking up talent of late. The great offer with the six-month window was with knowledge that Khan was not doing the promotion without The Bucks & Cody and signing them would keep them from being opposition. Without them, Khan wouldn’t have the star power and stars of All In, meaning he’d likely not have the openings to everything from television to top talent that was necessary.
Those who work in WWE with knowledge of the deal were certain they wouldn’t turn it down, and outright told me that they would be debuting at the Rumble, and had a Rumble-to-Mania significant storyline. When they made the decision to go to AEW, they remarked that it was mind-boggling that they would ever get an offer at that level, and even more that they were turning it down. But they did roughly 12 hours of talks with Levesque, who they heavily praised in how he handled everything, in particular seeing the comedy aspect in the skit they did where they superkicked Kazarian dressed up as him over-and-over in what was the public turning down of the offer on BTE.
tony khan is apparently going to be the head of creative and playing the vince mcmahon role in that all decisions go through him.
very odd given he has zero experience doing that.
i imagine hangman page ends up being the first champion unless they somehow sign some other huge name cause i dont see them making jericho the first champion of the company.
I imagine it'll be a tournament built with dissension in The Elite, with Hangman turning heel on Cody to win the belt and basically doing the Omega/Cody turf war with the Buck's in the middle. The promotion will get built around Omega if he goes there, but I imagine his first story is Alpha vs. Omega 2. That would be for a later show, maybe costing each other tournament matches or something on the first show. These guys are creative though, I'm sure they've got ideas and angles for the first show regardless of TV. I definitely think you hold off from the bigger matches until they're on the air though, and build to the bigger shows through TV like the old days.
Khan being the head of creative is odd, but perhaps that decision was made due to the optics of Cody and the Bucks booking themselves.
Meltzer apparently said that Kenny already turned WWE down. I think Jericho slipped up in a recent interview and mentioned Kenny's involvement with AEW as well.
yeah, that was one of my first thoughts, as well. i imagine cody and the bucks will have a lot of input into the creative direction and booking of the company, and being able to have khan be the figurehead for it to the public can create a nice buffer zone.
it could just be a rubber stamp position, where effectively the bucks/cody/whoever else maybe will be doing the booking, but khan is the official decision maker in the event of any disagreement, totally off the wall idea, etc.
What baffles me is reading that people in WWE though for sure that they wouldn't turn down the offers they made. I mean it might just be me, but I've always thought of Cody, Bucks, Omega, etc. as Anti-WWE people and would never go there.
Hubris
There's that but there's also some sincerity since the idea of the six-month out does seem like it could be out of the norm as a provision they would offer.
few people are anti-anything that will pay them millions of dollars.
Why?
Would she have that job if Cody wasn't there?
Would Cody have the job if she wasn't there?
Cody's been up front and honest about his wife has given him the strength to initially leave WWE and then to pursue his idea and dreams. He wouldn't be Exec. VP. now without her.
Perhaps she wouldn't be CBO without him, but they've helped each other to this point, not only one helping the other.
There wouldn't be a company if both weren't there. Its an irrelevant question.
If I bankroll a wrestling company then I'm booking it. You would all do the same.
I wouldn't, because booking Braun Strowman to win every title isn't good business for the masses.
I would love a Jim Cornette-led group of "old school wrestlers" invading the promotion.
possibilities: Silas Young and Beer City Bruiser, The Revival, Moose, Jack Swagger, Nick Aldis
have you not been keeping up? this is their company. there was no convincing needed to get anybody to sign or to sweeten the pot. they started a company and have taken positions in that company. there's nothing else to it.
It is relevant as Cody is the star.
not a huge fan of cody, but pretty pumped for this
Okay, but she’s part of that act. Genuinely confused what you’re trying to prove with this line of thought.
probably should get out the wittle itty bity spoon and feed him info in easily digestible parts
Shut up.
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I am saying that essentially she has been thrown a bone here because they really needed Cody.
sorry man, just looks like you have little idea about this start-up and look pretty foolish. was just giving cewsh some advice, as he was also confused as to why you are looking so foolish.
it's almost like you intentionally miss points.
it is cody's company, along with the bucks and stuff. she is an influence in his life and part of Being The Elite. she is part of the start-up. you are acting like Khan is just starting this up on his own and hiring people, which isn't really happening here. cody, the bucks, etc all have come up with this idea of a company, and found a backer in Khan. it is their company. they are running the show. how you don't understand that is kinda weird.
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We can put this under because RP detests women in power
As Matthew said, they ARE the company. Brandi handles the branding, Matt Jackson’s wife handles the merchandising. I’m not sure you understand what is going on here. Brandi has been handling Cody’s brand and marketing for years.
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Khan is head of creative, so he is running the show
okay so you are deliberately missing points, got it.
Khan's the financial backer of a project that Cody and the Young Bucks created. That doesnt take away from the fact that this is still Cody's thing and he can probably do whatever the hell he wants with it. You make it sound like this is a company (owned entirely by someone else) that hired Brandi, just so they could lure Cody in.
awwwww shit the rune is loose
It had to be said. I couldn't help it.
that is why we need you around man. your take no prisoners approach with the suave nuance of a humble intellectual and the vigor of a hunting dog looking for a fallen duck
So you came into this thread, where we're discussing a promotion built in the image of the Elite, which includes Brandi Rhodes, to argue how the Elite are not in charge and specifically Brandi Rhodes is not qualified for her job and was only given it to please Cody Rhodes. I got that about right?
Man, you can fuck alllllllllllll the way off with that shit.
Fucking right off then.
Off you must fuck.
Right off then to fucking.
Cheers Wedge Mark 2. Right back at ya
Your act is so, so tired. Comparing me to Wedge is such a weak insult, man.
Cewsh >>>>> Wedge
Oh bore off. I raised a legitimate point and you told me to fuck off. Do one.
I think we should be at the point where Cody wouldn’t be where he is without Brandi and vise versa.
Tony Khan, while technically the man backing this thing, is a fan of wrestling and not really much more than that. He surely will give input, but he won’t be the driving force behind this thing.
Cody wouldn't be where he is without Vince McMahon.
Cody wouldn't exist without Dusty
What exactly was your point? That women can’t be executives based on merit?
There it is
What merit? What has she done to merit this position?
Would you appoint someone with next to no experience in a senior role in a company like that?
Do you have trouble reading? Because Cewsh literally mentioned a handful of posts ago how she has been handling his and her branding for the past few years.
You make it seem like she has been completely incompetent since leaving WWE
I hardly think making a few t shirts is the same thing
Yeah, you are right. All she was doing was making a couple of t shirts. Nothing else at all. My bad.
I thought she basically did a LOT of the same work with Cody and the Young Bucks to make "All-in" PPV event the huge success that it was. But since she's a woman, she can't possibly be allowed any credit for any of her work.
She did make them sandwiches.
Vince gave Stephanie a role in his company.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Donald again.
What is the point of this? You clearly don’t know much about this topic, and have been proven wrong a few times now. Either you’re really leaning into some kind of woman hating thing here or you’re just fucking about.
Brandi’s work speaks for itself, man.
What was Brandi's role in WWE? Some sort of announcer?
Ring announcer and backstage interviewer.
what merit do cody or the bucks have to justify being executive vice presidents of a company?
this is what happens in start-up companies. the people starting the company take on roles and positions within their company. if i was to start up my own company i would certainly be in charge of it as the CEO, but im not going to be hired as CEO off the streets for anybody elses company. it is part of the appeal of creating something on your own, that you get to be in charge of every aspect you want to be involved in and have that autonomy, but the risk is great. why are you not understanding any of this?
This is a start-up with a financial backer. Cody, Brandi, the Young Bucks, Khan,...none of them are "qualified" today to run the company they hope this will become. Putting together a really great event is not the same thing as running an ongoing promotion, any more than marketing that event is the same thing as marketing that promotion.
Like a lot of start-ups, they'll succeed because their talents and ability to adapt outpace their current level of experience.
I hope they're all successful.
Does your poor attempt at being a feminist constantly trying to white knight yourself ever work? "some kind of woman hating thing" For fuck's sake is it that difficult to understand nepotism?
Her work speaks for itself....What work?
Well she has been a pretty entertaining valet for Cody.
I'm surprised he doesn't spell it Codi.
Not certain what ‘suitable experience’ doing some pretty good but not great wrestling has provided Cody with to be Vice President of a company either.
Funny how being alright at wrestling qualifies one for Vice President but actually doing some branding work ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT qualify Brandi for her role.
not that it even matters in this scenario, but i got curious and went and looked up what brandi's backround is. she's got a master's degree in broadcast journalism from the university of miami, has appeared in national ad campaigns, modeled, created her own swimsuit line and is part of the WAGS atlanta cast on E! shes spent a great deal of time working on image and personal brand conscious skills and projects. it's literally zero surprise that she would be in that position in a start-up.
No it doesn't. Tell me what she has done exactly to be Chief Brand Officer? What has she actually done
Also, people quoting modelling and being on reality TV as reasons for it
No women hating here at all, I think she has been thrown a bone here for Codys sake.
And lets stop all of this start up nonsense as well. Khan isn't just a backer. He is CEO and he is also dictating the contracts and who will be paid what
I have no doubt that Cody and the Young Bucks will take a lot of the creative work but it will all be run past Khan. He is much more than a backer.
I can't wait for actual new news to come so this bickering can stop...
IT'S HIS COMPANY HE CANT BE THROWN A BONE FFS.No it doesn't. Tell me what she has done exactly to be Chief Brand Officer? What has she actually done
Also, people quoting modelling and being on reality TV as reasons for it
No women hating here at all, I think she has been thrown a bone here for Codys sake.
And lets stop all of this start up nonsense as well. Khan isn't just a backer. He is CEO and he is also dictating the contracts and who will be paid what
I have no doubt that Cody and the Young Bucks will take a lot of the creative work but it will all be run past Khan. He is much more than a backer.
It is Khan's company you weapon
From Wikipedia
All Elite Wrestling, LLC is an American professional wrestling promotion. The promotion was founded by entrepreneurs Shahid and Tony Khan, the owners of the National Football League's Jacksonville Jaguars football team
When everyone is saying one thing and you another, possibly have a rethink, yeah?
why are cody and the bucks executive vice presidents of a company? all of them are high school grads that never went to college. they are high ranking executives of this company how?
You’d think being called All ELITE Wrestling would give you a hint on whose project this is.
Nope.
They might be vice presidents but they aren't running it. It is like giving an actor on a TV show an exec producer credit, doesn't mean shit. Khan is still CEO, he signs the cheques and decides who is paid what.
The fact the name has elite in is neither here nor there.
ND is bang on the money here
You’ve not answered his question though. Why would Khan give Cody and the Bucks such an important role when they have no prior experience in that area? Unless of course they played a part in the formation of this company itself.
And also why would Khan start up a company and name it after someone else?
You can cling onto the semantics of who actually “owns” the company on paper but this company wouldn’t exist without The Elite’s involvement. If Khan wasn’t involved, they would’ve continued their search for another financial backer and the project would’ve lived on.
If you created a project on The Apprentice that Alan Sugar chose to invest in, he’d probably want to be the CEO of the company even though it was your creation. This idea isn’t out of the ordinary.
I don't think you know how start ups work.
If this whole thing is Khan's idea or creation, explain why he's given Cody and the Bucks executive roles. And why's it named after someone else's brand?
Doesn't matter who's idea it is. It matters who is in charge
But if Khan is in charge, why has he given Cody and the Bucks an executive role? Why's this so hard to answer?
One person doesn't just run a company. Vince McMahon has an executive team reporting to him, this is standard corporate practice.
Not sure why you don't understand that
tony kahn has already said they are managing the company and its events.
still does not answer why they got these titles. these arent honorary titles. there are no other 'legitimate' VP'S doing all the heavy lifting instead of them. do you think tony kahn has just 'thrown a bone' to all these guys by giving them important sounding titles but no actual power or input with decision making?
And just what were Stephanie's other than "My Daddy owns the company"?
?..if you say hanging out with wrestlers long enough...then, she qualifies too.
From what I gather, Stephanie has worked her way up in the company. Started in merchandise, etc.
Yeah she was on the phones at the beginning
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I don't doubt he is looking to them for creative. But Khan still runs the company
yet you just said one man does not run a company...
Not sure why you are being so obtuse.
Cody and the Bucks are there for the creative side. Khan runs the business. But Brandi Rhodes had no experience with either
The trolling from people like @Morrison is on another level. lol.
400 posts so far about the semantics of Brandi Rhodes' title. Those going to her defense are bored as fuck lol.
being a wrestler in the wrestling business does not qualify you to be an executive vice president in a company. if they were there just for their input on creative they would have titles relating to that, not corporate positions in the hierarchy. your whole thing is merit and qualifications, yet you have no problem skirting around the lack of those for some titles and positions.
brandi is a trained wrestler that has been in the business since 2011. she's been neck deep in creating cody's character and brand since they got their releases from wwe. your dismissal of her is so fucking weird. she was involved with the creation and promotion and execution of all in every step of the way.
they only signed nick jackson to make matt jackson happy
Don't buy it. Simple case of nepotism here sorry.
dont know if this was a jokey response to matthew, but I'll just respond like it was towards me. it doesnt matter if you buy it, it doesnt change the actual facts of the work she has put in.
She’s not doing either. She’s handling the social media. That’s what a brand manager does.
Be careful claiming things are facts that you literally cannot prove, at all.
She's not even doing that. She does her own social media platforms. For example, the guy who handles the twitter and IG for AEW is Rick Stansfield.
Do you not understand the question? I get that a company has a team, and the team consists of executives. But why has this billionaire chosen Cody and the Bucks for the job? If Brandi has no qualities or qualifications, why does she also have a job? Why have the Khan's, who're businessmen that own multiple major franchises, not gone and hired more highly qualified people with the experience to work for their respective roles?
You could find someone to help with branding to an extent but this is still pro wrestling. WCW is proof as to what happens when a bunch of suits and ties pretend like they know more about pro wrestling than the people who are actually in the business.
The reality is we don't really know what duties Cody and the Bucks will have. This promotion is literally in it's infancy. No t.v., only 1 real show planned, some random merch here and there. I can't imagine Cody is going to be responsible for this make believe health insurance Khan is claiming they'll provide "certain talent".
haha you said duties
This is all something we'll just have to wait and see unfold. Cody and the Bucks are basically banking on themselves to "do it right", and not let it go down the way it did in WCW. The problem with WCW wasn't the fact that they had the "inmates running the asylum". The issue was that those people had their own agenda and didn't put the betterment of the company first. ECW was famously run by the talent behind the scenes too, and that wasn't ever attributed as a reason for its downfall. That's not me saying its the best way to run a business, but I don't really see it as a major issue.
I just want to see what happens with their venture. Personally I can already imagine this potentially having an impact on the industry over in the US, even if the company itself doesn't grow into a credible competitor for Vince.
For example, if they're claiming that women are getting equal pay (as in a top female talent is paid like a top male talent, as explained by them), then not only does it become an attraction for hiring talent, but it puts pressure on WWE to do the same. Kinda like how WCW's guaranteed contracts for Hall and Nash changed the game everywhere including WWE.
I'm not going to compare this to WCW, but I am going to compare this to TNA. Wrestler starting a promotion Jeff Jarrett/Cody Rhodes, backed by money Panda Energy/Khans. etc. etc.
Wrestling has always been run by the inmates. The problem with WCW wasn't the talent, it was the Turner suits and then the merger brought in a whole different set of suits. WCW was never a wrestling promotion like the WWE, it was always a t.v. show first. Just like TNA, and if AEW can pull off what TNA has over the last 17 then it's a major success. Despite TNA's downfalls, they're still around.
Probably because the Elite is an established brand and All In was such a successful event. Naming it the "Khan Wrestling Federation" does nothing from a marketing standpoint. Cody and the Bucks are the faces of the company and doing most of the promotion, so using their own brand is more beneficial. It will have a stronger connection with fans and other people in the industry. Maybe if Jarrett had gone with "Double J Wrestling" instead of "Global Force" it would have succeeded
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