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    We're still seeing talent go to AEW which is good but I think the most telling part is where did the FANS go? What turned them off and what can be done over the next couple years to gain them back? I'm not even talking about ratings I'm talking about live attendance. I mean they're not doing terrible when it comes to big shows and the ppvs.

    Ultimately AEW's biggest downfall right now is their core fanbase. A good chunk live on social media and preach the gospel of Meltzer and people like him. They manifest so many bullshit scenarios so they can play victim it's weird. I think not only do other hardcore fans of wrestling see it but so does the talent. Sometimes getting 900k to work 4 Collisions a year isn't worth the trouble.

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    I'll never forget Andrade going to AEW saying he would be the face of AEW. I like you Andrade but you'll always just be a decent hand. Miro too was fucking funny.

    I wish Cesaro stayed with WWE but he would flounder no matter where he wrestled.

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    The problem with some of the people that kind of bounce back and forth is not that they are not talented but no one is sure what to do with them and they get lost in the shuffle no matter what. They don't stick out quite enough to not get lost in the shuffle. They will always have short bursts and then back to just doing whatever.

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    Cody leaving was the start.

    CM Punk leaving. Being fired is irrelevant, obviously, he's back as a big star in WWE.

    Vince leaving WWE and them becoming essentially hot again.

    Tony Khan trying to run before he could walk, with adding Collision, too many PPVs and the ROH purchase.

    I just don't see a reason to care about anyone or anything in the whole company.

    Jeff Jarrett in 2025, sorry, that will never not be funny.

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    To be fair, Vince was hot while he was in WWE.

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    Donald?

    Ha, Game of Death, got it.

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    I hate Tony Khan. Probably not as much as Triple H, but it's there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveTonyKhan View Post
    To be fair, Vince was hot while he was in WWE.
    That last few years, Vince's involvement seemed to ebb and flow from moderate to intense. Trips was definitely involved a lot. But Vince was definitely lacking consistency, imv.

    Still, I give him a lot of credit for the most successful storyline in modern history-The Bloodline.

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    The way I see it...talent are still coming to AEW. Mercedes came to AEW after Cody and Punk, that was a huge addition for AEW in terms of "name value" and credibilty. Will Ospreay and Okada, despite them not being super big with casual wrestling fans in the US, they have a following and without a doubt 2 of the top wrestlers on the planet. It helps them with drawing in the Japanese wrestling fans, I can't really speak on Ospreay's level of fame in the UK but it seems like he's pretty popular so that helps too.

    Yes we have seen some older folks like The Hurt Business, Edge, but despite the shit I've probably talked about Edge being a moron it's still Edge. No different than TNA grabbing Old Man Nash at 50. Legends in wrestling, especially guys who blew up in the 90's, they'll always be able to draw people in even younger fans that weren't even alive.

    But I do believe like the biggest negative is the fans themselves. Money is the most important and that's why a guy like Shelton Benjamin can be like you know what, fuck these fans that don't want me in AEW I'm going to get paid more than I was in WWE and I'm also going to flip the script and make them cheer me because their all about being Team AEW. "Fuck WWE we don't want them focus on newer cats like Private Party" After they lost, "Hell Yeah Lashley and Benjamin having the best run of their careers!!!" What? lol

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    I love Tony Khan to absolute pieces, but the man doesn't know what to do with talent. If he did, he'd still have CM Punk and not the Young Bucks. I truly believe that he does treat his talent as if they were action figures he used to play with as a child.

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    To be fair, Benjamin and Lashley do feel hella refreshed, and their definitely getting some of the loudest crowd reactions of everyone on the roster.

    Though you can definitely say that it maybe speaks I'll of how well AEW has been at developing/booking some of their more homegrown stars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    To be fair, Benjamin and Lashley do feel hella refreshed, and their definitely getting some of the loudest crowd reactions of everyone on the roster.

    Though you can definitely say that it maybe speaks I'll of how well AEW has been at developing/booking some of their more homegrown stars
    Refreshed? Benjamin is once again in a tag-team and Lashley went from being a World champion/World title contender to a tag champ in the distant 2nd company. I guess I don't understand what you mean by refreshed other than the cornball AEW sheep response of "They seem to be having fun"

    I mean I'm not shocked the crowd pops for them because they pretend to dislike WWE but every single talent who made their name in WWE=over as fuck. But again, the fans are fucking weird. Shelton even addressed this in his interview with Chris. It's because that geek Max Caster said some shit and like good little sheep you all followed suit because it was an AEW talent speaking ill of a guy who can run circles around pretty much everyone in the company. I mean FFS, they signed Elias. He can't wrestle, can't talk, gimmick ran it's course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveTonyKhan View Post
    I love Tony Khan to absolute pieces, but the man doesn't know what to do with talent. If he did, he'd still have CM Punk and not the Young Bucks. I truly believe that he does treat his talent as if they were action figures he used to play with as a child.
    He's doing what 99% of us do. We just make matches in our head. We don't really understand how to draw a crowd. You can only bank on name value for so long. Or does history not matter? They get compared to WCW because they have so many similarites from being on the same channel, using event names, they even had Super Sting lol. But look at them, look at TNA. Eventually all that name power doesn't mean shit. I said it before, it was proved 25 years ago wrestling is super niche and there's really only room for WWE. Even WCW couldn't really do shit but those 83 weeks. By 1999 it didn't matter that they had Sting, Hogan, Bret, Nash, I mean even Goldberg. They fucked that up but I don't even think he would've really mattered because the WWF were just firing on all cylinders.

    That's why WWE are competiting with Hollywood, Disney, Metallica, they don't truly care what other wrestling companies are doing because WWE has the bubble on lock. If they do anything that seems like they're fucking with AEW it's just part of the business. They're essentially bullying AEW and rightfully so. Don't go on fucking ESPN and call them the Weinstein of Wrestling and then 2 weeks later talk about how you'd love to work with WWE. Don't mention their talent, disrespect their product every week on your tv and maybe you could've had a relationship of some kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Refreshed? Benjamin is once again in a tag-team and Lashley went from being a World champion/World title contender to a tag champ in the distant 2nd company. I guess I don't understand what you mean by refreshed other than the cornball AEW sheep response of "They seem to be having fun"

    I mean I'm not shocked the crowd pops for them because they pretend to dislike WWE but every single talent who made their name in WWE=over as fuck. But again, the fans are fucking weird. Shelton even addressed this in his interview with Chris. It's because that geek Max Caster said some shit and like good little sheep you all followed suit because it was an AEW talent speaking ill of a guy who can run circles around pretty much everyone in the company. I mean FFS, they signed Elias. He can't wrestle, can't talk, gimmick ran it's course.
    I mean, that's mostly what I meant. Like they seem like they have a renewed energy in their performances. Maybe it's just the crowd reaction that makes it feel that way

    I'll admit a lot of AEW fans can act weird about new singers as well as hypocritical. But I also think Max Caster is someone who gets just as much hate as praise from the core fan base these days. Seems like for the last year a lot of online AEW fans have turned on Caster

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    It's just shocking the momentum they had is basically non-existent. I don't even think TNA had the momentum that AEW had to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveTonyKhan View Post
    It's just shocking the momentum they had is basically non-existent. I don't even think TNA had the momentum that AEW had to begin with.
    Everyone for years thought all we needed was another billionaire and boom, another Monday Night Wars. They don't realize there were already wars between Turner and Vince, Jim Crockett and Vince, it wasn't just one day WCW started with Sting, Hogan, Flair, Luger makes a surprise debut and we're off to the races. Now we have Dave Meltzer fanning the flames because he's lost a significant amount of money since the end of WCW which he predicted would happen back in 2001.

    TNA had momentum but not really at the beginning. Once they landed the Spike deal it was like oh shit, maybe we might have a decent #2. Problem is, it wasn't a wrestling fan with a billionaire family in charge. They also didn't have the kind of support AEW has from WBD. You'd rarely see Spike promote TNA but they loved plastering other shit like the UFC and 8000 ways to Die. No different than when they were TNN and used ECW to try to draw motherfuckers to watch Rollerjam.

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    This better not turn into RollerJam disparagement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    This better not turn into RollerJam disparagement.
    Tony Kahn should definitely bring back rollerjam. Can be the run in for dynamite or collision.

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    I would be in for that. The cross-promotion would be incredible.

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    Fuck Rollerjam. It's RollerGAMES or bust. Tony probably would do some stupid ass shit like do a "Rollergames" themed Dynamite where he'd have to create another 5 stables which would be great. The only team he'd probably have an issue recreating would be The Rockers.

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    I would pay top dollar to see the AEW stables compete against each other in RollerJamGames. Top dollar, I say.

    Realistically, some would have to combine. The Learning Tree won't have the mobility. They're going to need to hook with a team like Top Flight to get some mobility, and still add from there.

    This won't be a popular opinion, but I think the Undisputed Kingdom does surprisingly well in this, provided Cole can be healthy.

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    Would you pay AJ Francis?

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    What are they selling me?

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    One glaring difference between AEW and every other promotion whether that's TNA, NJPW, is that whenever a talent gets released from those companies it's always "The booker failed them!" With AEW, you could write a Stephen King-length novel with all the talent blaming their fans do. I just keep reading "Black didn't want to do this, Starks thought this was wack, Miro could've done this but he didn't" Is it because we just assume in AEW you get to do whatever you want but everywhere else you have to do what you're told?

    IDK. Doesn't seem like the AEW psychos are coping well anytime a wrestler leaves AEW. They don't want wrestlers to work for/with anyone but AEW. I mean look at Britt Baker. She's a tool no doubt but up until you heard she might leave she at least had the AEW psychos riding with her. Now, they're believing rumors from KONNAN. The guy is in the same boat as Bischoff, Cornette, WWE when it comes to what/who AEW fans loathe and now they believe some shit this guy with no real skin in the game is saying lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    One glaring difference between AEW and every other promotion whether that's TNA, NJPW, is that whenever a talent gets released from those companies it's always "The booker failed them!" With AEW, you could write a Stephen King-length novel with all the talent blaming their fans do. I just keep reading "Black didn't want to do this, Starks thought this was wack, Miro could've done this but he didn't" Is it because we just assume in AEW you get to do whatever you want but everywhere else you have to do what you're told?

    IDK. Doesn't seem like the AEW psychos are coping well anytime a wrestler leaves AEW. They don't want wrestlers to work for/with anyone but AEW. I mean look at Britt Baker. She's a tool no doubt but up until you heard she might leave she at least had the AEW psychos riding with her. Now, they're believing rumors from KONNAN. The guy is in the same boat as Bischoff, Cornette, WWE when it comes to what/who AEW fans loathe and now they believe some shit this guy with no real skin in the game is saying lol.
    It's so annoying the way a lot of them react to that stuff. So many of them that were dick riding Starks were quick to say he wasn't shit when rumors of him not wanting to be there came about.

    I think with Britt, though, the hate really started when the incident with MJF happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    It's so annoying the way a lot of them react to that stuff. So many of them that were dick riding Starks were quick to say he wasn't shit when rumors of him not wanting to be there came about.

    I think with Britt, though, the hate really started when the incident with MJF happened
    It's weird because I remember when Thunder Rosa was getting raked through the coals, oh she's not even that good she's jealous of Britt Baker yada yada. Now it's basically oh she's checked out she's trying to leave. Some of these AEW fans like to manifest negativity so they can be a victim.

    My favorite is reading about how no other wrestling company is under the microscope like AEW. Really???? When was the last time the government stepped in to make sure steroids weren't being used, where is the AEW drug testing policy? Motherfuckers leave for 2 months come back with 40lbs of muscle looking JACKED. I mean even in WWE we haven't really seen anyone violate the Wellness Policy but seriously in 5+ years nobody in AEW has ever failed a drug test? That alone shows that AEW are not even remotely close to being under the microscope. But since Eric Bischoff of all people doesn't love AEW it's under the scope.

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    The Britt heat is weird to me, because of the MJF girlfriend thing. Like this guy's gf if backstage having heat with people, and its all the actual employee's fault?

    or am I reading the wrong twitter dirt sheet summations?


    Anywho...
    I like the thought of Black back in WWE. Trips was always a big fan. I am not sold on Ricky Starks there.

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    It's interesting to listen to Eric B talk about AEW. At times, he will kind of mildly defend some of the things, but it's also a bit like he is getting frustrated, and can come across to me like he wants to see them push WWE in a different way.

    My armchair psychologist license is fully engaged as I say this.

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    I love Tony Khan, but he's never going to rival WWE. It looked promising at the beginning, but so many of these companies start that way and fizzle out. The honeymoon phase is over for AEW.

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    Now they move into the honeydew phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    It's interesting to listen to Eric B talk about AEW. At times, he will kind of mildly defend some of the things, but it's also a bit like he is getting frustrated, and can come across to me like he wants to see them push WWE in a different way.

    My armchair psychologist license is fully engaged as I say this.
    He sounds like he's talking about his son and watching his son make the same mistakes he made. They very similar. Super arrogant, tons of money, no clue what the fuck they are doing. I fucking hated Eric Bischoff until I read his book. Then I finally understood where he was coming from so I only hated him a little bit.

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    I love Tony Khan, but sometimes I wonder why he would let talent like Aleister Black, Rusev, and John Starks go.

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    The fact those are the only people he's let go is a problem.

    I'm still not convinced there wasn't some kind of trade made between WWE and AEW. The timing just seems too coincidental. I guess we'll find out tonight if Cedric shows up and rejoins the Hurt Business and the Good Bros 2 sweet their way into jobbing to the Deathriders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveTonyKhan View Post
    I love Tony Khan, but sometimes I wonder why he would let talent like Aleister Black, Rusev, and John Starks go.
    He's never respected John Starks since game 7 vs. Houston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    The fact those are the only people he's let go is a problem.

    I'm still not convinced there wasn't some kind of trade made between WWE and AEW. The timing just seems too coincidental. I guess we'll find out tonight if Cedric shows up and rejoins the Hurt Business and the Good Bros 2 sweet their way into jobbing to the Deathriders.
    I’m just imagining Tony Khan and HHH sitting in the floor and trading wrestler like baseball cards.

    Tony: I’ll trade youuuu… Penta, Malakai and Ricky forrrr… Cedric and the Good Bros!
    HHH: Works for me.

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    I love Tony Khan, but I wish he'd tell Samoa Joe he's better off in WWE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveTonyKhan View Post
    I love Tony Khan, but I wish he'd tell Samoa Joe he's better off in WWE.
    No, WWE used Joe worse than TNA which I didn't think was possible.

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    Vince McMahon used Samoa Joe incorrectly.

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    Nobody has used Joe incorrectly. The problem is for the last 20 years that guy has not been reliable. He's constantly hurt. It's crazy to think Mick Foley went out of his way to try and get WWE to sign Punk and Samoa Joe and Joe turned it down for TNA. Just think had he gone with Punk. They might've been able to get 4-5 years out of him.

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    NXT Joe was fucking awesome.

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    I always felt like NXT Joe should've been given a year long run. But this was the era where things started to get weird. I feel like once Robert Roode won the title, NXT started to slowly go downhill with the rapid decline being the Undisputed Era/Ciampa/Gargano era.

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    Joe/Moxley could be a fucking money match right now. Instead they have him get thrown through a wall by Jericho, sell it then in a stable squashing jobbers on Dynamite this week.

    Speaking of Jericho…I know he can do comedy but yeah as if the Orange Cassidy jacket feud wasn’t bad enough, that Bandido showdown shit…wtf?

    I mean there’s giving back to help the young guys then there’s that. He does it too much..also see Action Andretti getting a win over him which has gone nowhere really.

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    I don't think anyone really benefits from working with Jericho anymore and that pains me to say, as he's always been one of my favourites. I guess Big Bill is getting something out of it, but his stables haven't really created much in the past so I expect that will fizzle.

    I know it's not new but it really struck me this week how everyone travels in packs. Like everytime I looked up there's another group of two or three folk slapped together. I mean the trios division should be absolute fire in theory.

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    Jericho should have been used to put AEW on the map, which he did, then retire. He should be the lead trainer in the back, helping the younger talent. There's no reason for him to still be wrestling. He's delusional that he thinks he still has something to contribute. You've had your time, we appreciate all of your work, but you're diluting it at this point.

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    It's hard for me to say "This guy needs to retire". I don't know what that person's life situation is, their mental state is, or anything else. And to some extent, if a person can get paid for doing something they love....


    But for Khan....Jericho in a match is not good TV anymore. He's not in great shape, and some night he's just ......straight up wrestlecrap bad. Look, I'm turning 47 soon, and trying to play soccer against guys in their 20s and early 30s in a comp soccer league. Not that something like is anywhere near being a pro wrestler, but the point is.....sometimes I'm just shit now. I could have 3 solid games, and drive in one night....and just be fucking slow on everything. Bad reaction time, moving sluggish. Drive home and think "I need to hang it up".

    Jericho is getting more and more to the "some times he's going to be trash, and there's nothing he can do about it"/

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    Jericho was the most 50/50 booked wrestler in WWE history. Then for like 10 years he would dip and out and usually just lose. So when AEW decided the top 2 choices were Jericho and Hangman, it was a mistake. It should've been Kenny Omega v. Jericho with Omega winning.

    I will say this about Jericho. At least he's in the midcard. It's bad enough we have all these old blonde dudes from the 90's lingering in the title picture (Edge, Christian, Jarrett) so dropping Jericho down a couple rungs, smart.

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    Don't even get me started on Jarrett.

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    Could be worse.....I heard Eddie Kingston is trying to come back 4-5 months early. I can't wait for that World title run of Temu Kobashi chops and Great Value level strong style suplexes.

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    I can't wait for Jarret and Kingston to trade the World Title around for a bit.

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    Various news and rumors site saying Josh Alexander headed to AEW.

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    I won't front and say I know enough but what I have seen I'm not exactly sure if I should be hyped or not.

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    I was kind of hoping he would go to the WWE. He is really good. Granted he would probably get lost in the shuffle in either place after the initial hype. He was a main player for TNA and I think can definitely be a upper midcard/main eventer wherever he goes. Whether that happens or not we shall see

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    I love Tony Khan, but I wouldn't sign Josh Alexander.

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    I want to see Alex Hammerstone in WWE/NXT. I know we saw a little of him and Oba Femi which was cool but if we're going to bring in an "Alex" that would be my choice.

    Honestly I feel like AEW needs to continue trimming the fat but I know TK isn't about releasing talent and I can respect that. He's just shot himself in the foot with having so many wrestlers. Seriously, what does this dude offer? I'll have to dive more into his TNA world title run that lasted for almost a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
    I don't think anyone really benefits from working with Jericho anymore and that pains me to say, as he's always been one of my favourites. I guess Big Bill is getting something out of it, but his stables haven't really created much in the past so I expect that will fizzle.

    I know it's not new but it really struck me this week how everyone travels in packs. Like everytime I looked up there's another group of two or three folk slapped together. I mean the trios division should be absolute fire in theory.
    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveTonyKhan View Post
    Jericho should have been used to put AEW on the map, which he did, then retire. He should be the lead trainer in the back, helping the younger talent. There's no reason for him to still be wrestling. He's delusional that he thinks he still has something to contribute. You've had your time, we appreciate all of your work, but you're diluting it at this point.
    Nothing really to be gained in-ring wise yeah agree. Lead trainer he might be fine, however he is larger than life so an on-screen wise could also do very well as a mouthpiece/manager with occasional physical involvement.
    Last edited by Badger; Yesterday at 3:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I want to see Alex Hammerstone in WWE/NXT. I know we saw a little of him and Oba Femi which was cool but if we're going to bring in an "Alex" that would be my choice.

    Honestly I feel like AEW needs to continue trimming the fat but I know TK isn't about releasing talent and I can respect that. He's just shot himself in the foot with having so many wrestlers. Seriously, what does this dude offer? I'll have to dive more into his TNA world title run that lasted for almost a year.
    He's strong as a bull and charismatically gifted too. He was dong a Tyler Durden type persona for a while that helped strap a rocket to his back on the independent scene, a lot of it on the West Coast scene.

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