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    We're still seeing talent go to AEW which is good but I think the most telling part is where did the FANS go? What turned them off and what can be done over the next couple years to gain them back? I'm not even talking about ratings I'm talking about live attendance. I mean they're not doing terrible when it comes to big shows and the ppvs.

    Ultimately AEW's biggest downfall right now is their core fanbase. A good chunk live on social media and preach the gospel of Meltzer and people like him. They manifest so many bullshit scenarios so they can play victim it's weird. I think not only do other hardcore fans of wrestling see it but so does the talent. Sometimes getting 900k to work 4 Collisions a year isn't worth the trouble.

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    I'll never forget Andrade going to AEW saying he would be the face of AEW. I like you Andrade but you'll always just be a decent hand. Miro too was fucking funny.

    I wish Cesaro stayed with WWE but he would flounder no matter where he wrestled.

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    The problem with some of the people that kind of bounce back and forth is not that they are not talented but no one is sure what to do with them and they get lost in the shuffle no matter what. They don't stick out quite enough to not get lost in the shuffle. They will always have short bursts and then back to just doing whatever.

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    Cody leaving was the start.

    CM Punk leaving. Being fired is irrelevant, obviously, he's back as a big star in WWE.

    Vince leaving WWE and them becoming essentially hot again.

    Tony Khan trying to run before he could walk, with adding Collision, too many PPVs and the ROH purchase.

    I just don't see a reason to care about anyone or anything in the whole company.

    Jeff Jarrett in 2025, sorry, that will never not be funny.

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    To be fair, Vince was hot while he was in WWE.

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    Donald?

    Ha, Game of Death, got it.

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    I hate Tony Khan. Probably not as much as Triple H, but it's there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveTonyKhan View Post
    To be fair, Vince was hot while he was in WWE.
    That last few years, Vince's involvement seemed to ebb and flow from moderate to intense. Trips was definitely involved a lot. But Vince was definitely lacking consistency, imv.

    Still, I give him a lot of credit for the most successful storyline in modern history-The Bloodline.

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    The way I see it...talent are still coming to AEW. Mercedes came to AEW after Cody and Punk, that was a huge addition for AEW in terms of "name value" and credibilty. Will Ospreay and Okada, despite them not being super big with casual wrestling fans in the US, they have a following and without a doubt 2 of the top wrestlers on the planet. It helps them with drawing in the Japanese wrestling fans, I can't really speak on Ospreay's level of fame in the UK but it seems like he's pretty popular so that helps too.

    Yes we have seen some older folks like The Hurt Business, Edge, but despite the shit I've probably talked about Edge being a moron it's still Edge. No different than TNA grabbing Old Man Nash at 50. Legends in wrestling, especially guys who blew up in the 90's, they'll always be able to draw people in even younger fans that weren't even alive.

    But I do believe like the biggest negative is the fans themselves. Money is the most important and that's why a guy like Shelton Benjamin can be like you know what, fuck these fans that don't want me in AEW I'm going to get paid more than I was in WWE and I'm also going to flip the script and make them cheer me because their all about being Team AEW. "Fuck WWE we don't want them focus on newer cats like Private Party" After they lost, "Hell Yeah Lashley and Benjamin having the best run of their careers!!!" What? lol

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    I love Tony Khan to absolute pieces, but the man doesn't know what to do with talent. If he did, he'd still have CM Punk and not the Young Bucks. I truly believe that he does treat his talent as if they were action figures he used to play with as a child.

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    To be fair, Benjamin and Lashley do feel hella refreshed, and their definitely getting some of the loudest crowd reactions of everyone on the roster.

    Though you can definitely say that it maybe speaks I'll of how well AEW has been at developing/booking some of their more homegrown stars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    To be fair, Benjamin and Lashley do feel hella refreshed, and their definitely getting some of the loudest crowd reactions of everyone on the roster.

    Though you can definitely say that it maybe speaks I'll of how well AEW has been at developing/booking some of their more homegrown stars
    Refreshed? Benjamin is once again in a tag-team and Lashley went from being a World champion/World title contender to a tag champ in the distant 2nd company. I guess I don't understand what you mean by refreshed other than the cornball AEW sheep response of "They seem to be having fun"

    I mean I'm not shocked the crowd pops for them because they pretend to dislike WWE but every single talent who made their name in WWE=over as fuck. But again, the fans are fucking weird. Shelton even addressed this in his interview with Chris. It's because that geek Max Caster said some shit and like good little sheep you all followed suit because it was an AEW talent speaking ill of a guy who can run circles around pretty much everyone in the company. I mean FFS, they signed Elias. He can't wrestle, can't talk, gimmick ran it's course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveTonyKhan View Post
    I love Tony Khan to absolute pieces, but the man doesn't know what to do with talent. If he did, he'd still have CM Punk and not the Young Bucks. I truly believe that he does treat his talent as if they were action figures he used to play with as a child.
    He's doing what 99% of us do. We just make matches in our head. We don't really understand how to draw a crowd. You can only bank on name value for so long. Or does history not matter? They get compared to WCW because they have so many similarites from being on the same channel, using event names, they even had Super Sting lol. But look at them, look at TNA. Eventually all that name power doesn't mean shit. I said it before, it was proved 25 years ago wrestling is super niche and there's really only room for WWE. Even WCW couldn't really do shit but those 83 weeks. By 1999 it didn't matter that they had Sting, Hogan, Bret, Nash, I mean even Goldberg. They fucked that up but I don't even think he would've really mattered because the WWF were just firing on all cylinders.

    That's why WWE are competiting with Hollywood, Disney, Metallica, they don't truly care what other wrestling companies are doing because WWE has the bubble on lock. If they do anything that seems like they're fucking with AEW it's just part of the business. They're essentially bullying AEW and rightfully so. Don't go on fucking ESPN and call them the Weinstein of Wrestling and then 2 weeks later talk about how you'd love to work with WWE. Don't mention their talent, disrespect their product every week on your tv and maybe you could've had a relationship of some kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Refreshed? Benjamin is once again in a tag-team and Lashley went from being a World champion/World title contender to a tag champ in the distant 2nd company. I guess I don't understand what you mean by refreshed other than the cornball AEW sheep response of "They seem to be having fun"

    I mean I'm not shocked the crowd pops for them because they pretend to dislike WWE but every single talent who made their name in WWE=over as fuck. But again, the fans are fucking weird. Shelton even addressed this in his interview with Chris. It's because that geek Max Caster said some shit and like good little sheep you all followed suit because it was an AEW talent speaking ill of a guy who can run circles around pretty much everyone in the company. I mean FFS, they signed Elias. He can't wrestle, can't talk, gimmick ran it's course.
    I mean, that's mostly what I meant. Like they seem like they have a renewed energy in their performances. Maybe it's just the crowd reaction that makes it feel that way

    I'll admit a lot of AEW fans can act weird about new singers as well as hypocritical. But I also think Max Caster is someone who gets just as much hate as praise from the core fan base these days. Seems like for the last year a lot of online AEW fans have turned on Caster

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    It's just shocking the momentum they had is basically non-existent. I don't even think TNA had the momentum that AEW had to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveTonyKhan View Post
    It's just shocking the momentum they had is basically non-existent. I don't even think TNA had the momentum that AEW had to begin with.
    Everyone for years thought all we needed was another billionaire and boom, another Monday Night Wars. They don't realize there were already wars between Turner and Vince, Jim Crockett and Vince, it wasn't just one day WCW started with Sting, Hogan, Flair, Luger makes a surprise debut and we're off to the races. Now we have Dave Meltzer fanning the flames because he's lost a significant amount of money since the end of WCW which he predicted would happen back in 2001.

    TNA had momentum but not really at the beginning. Once they landed the Spike deal it was like oh shit, maybe we might have a decent #2. Problem is, it wasn't a wrestling fan with a billionaire family in charge. They also didn't have the kind of support AEW has from WBD. You'd rarely see Spike promote TNA but they loved plastering other shit like the UFC and 8000 ways to Die. No different than when they were TNN and used ECW to try to draw motherfuckers to watch Rollerjam.

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    This better not turn into RollerJam disparagement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    This better not turn into RollerJam disparagement.
    Tony Kahn should definitely bring back rollerjam. Can be the run in for dynamite or collision.

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    I would be in for that. The cross-promotion would be incredible.

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    Fuck Rollerjam. It's RollerGAMES or bust. Tony probably would do some stupid ass shit like do a "Rollergames" themed Dynamite where he'd have to create another 5 stables which would be great. The only team he'd probably have an issue recreating would be The Rockers.

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    I would pay top dollar to see the AEW stables compete against each other in RollerJamGames. Top dollar, I say.

    Realistically, some would have to combine. The Learning Tree won't have the mobility. They're going to need to hook with a team like Top Flight to get some mobility, and still add from there.

    This won't be a popular opinion, but I think the Undisputed Kingdom does surprisingly well in this, provided Cole can be healthy.

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    Would you pay AJ Francis?

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    What are they selling me?

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