That first sentence sounds like Tony should never take advice from you.Originally Posted by Defrost
That first sentence sounds like Tony should never take advice from you.
Really enjoyed the show. Lots of energy and lots of fun. I am all for Danielson being the champ even though I also would have liked to see Swerve go maybe just a bit longer. But now we can just go back to swerve and hangman beating the shit out of each other for many months....
Anyway loved it. Nice to see Ricochet even thought in a like a month he will be just lost in the shuffle.
Where do they go for All Out then? Ospreay vs. Pac and Willow vs. Statlander are set, but where else do they go? Danielson defence (Christian?) or do they park him? Do they go straight into MJF vs. Garcia and (more importantly) Swerve vs. Hangman? Okada vs. Claudio rematch I'm guessing is a definite. Hayter vs. Saraya to get her building for a title shot. 2 weeks between PPV's is pretty crazy but their track record is good.
yeah not a fan of this short gap that they created last year and this year. I bet Christian sits on his shot just for a little bit but I could be wrong. MJF vs Garcia is probably happening. Who knows. Lets see what they want to do.
Hangman vs Swerve is enough
Watching this, missed out on a helluva lot live but already busted the bank with the Clash of the Castle trip. Fucking Nigel returning was a shock and kinda pulled for him to get Danielson/McGuinness again. Shoulda had Lucha turn then IMO but they’re just dragging it out. Pretty anticlimactic end.
Also had no idea Ricochet had even left WWE so yeah that was a surprise too. Speaking of that, that flop over the top rope not touching Okada yet he decided to sell anyway. Whoops!
Overall though very entertaining. Mone/Baker was the weakest IMO, especially that “Eddie” trick by Baker. Surely if the ref came to that conclusion then Mone would have been DQed? Also not a big fan of either of them tbh and early into Mone’s reign so wasn’t as invested.
I thought this Diamond Ring theft was an angle especially when Garcia came out or MJF was lying but no ring so not sure if legit. Fun match regardless.
Overall though great show and great presentation. Loved them doing the “Mr Bean” entrance with Orange in particular.
Sting returning, another thing missed out on live.
Congrats to Danielson as well.
they have loud guardrails
Christian Cage is an asset, 100%. I will always be a mark for him as I always felt like the Christian of my group of friends. (That sounds weird lol)
I just feel like AEW a few times now have positioned him in spots where he absolutely should not be in. Prime example, being the "TNA guy" to beat Kenny Omega who hadn't lost in forever. I have no idea why they are giving him World title shots at this stage of his career. It's weird because him and Jericho are basically on the same path just on different sides of the road and neither should be getting World title shots. That Trios/TNT/FTW spot is perfect. I'm actually shocked it wasn't Hangman or Ricochet. Have we ever seen Ricochet v. Danielson? Feels like the answer is no.
I love the work Christian is doing. I don't mind him getting like a random title shot but the ending of that gauntlet match was a bit flat and we could have gone somewhere else with that like you said. And yeah I don't think he needs to be in any kind of big program for a world title shot at this point him doing stuff on the mid card is fine and helping elevate people and what not unlike whatever the fuck Jericho is doing anymore.
That's the thing, random title shot or if this turns into a program with Danielson I just don't think he's the right guy. If he won a battle royal on tv and got a title shot the next week, sure I guess lol. But he won a gauntlet with some pretty fuckin stellar people including Okada and I'm just like....Imagine Okada winning and then parlaying that into a feud with Danielson which would obviously include the Bucks, tying all that Tony Khan tombstone shit up finally with Elite v. BCC once and for all exploding deathmatch in Japan or whatever.
It'll be a good match regardless but feels kind of a waste. Christian has absolutely been killing it but so has Paul Heyman. The fact Christian can wrestle and Paul can't doesn't change much as Christian/AEW need to figure out a way to give people he's working with the rub. Does anyone give 1 fart about Nick Wayne and LuchaKillSwitch? I would've kept the trios titles on them for a little longer personally.
Yeah I agree he should not have won this match. I wouldn't have minded him getting a random shot in a manner like you said. There so many other ways to go with that match yesterday and people that could have won it.
I think there's definitely an argument that Christian deserves a legacy run before it all comes to an end as he delivers on a high level and has been one of the most consistently over acts ever since turning heel. And I personally liked that he kickstarted Swerve's reign. But like y'all said, the timing really is iffy when there are so many more contemporary wrestlers on the roster that could benefit from that spot.
Also the fact he just got through a Trios match and still won (with assistance) but yeah it really deflated the match for me with the calibre and surprises we got as well as the fact they’ve been teasing this Lucha turn forever but they keep swerving the other way.
If he won the shot in different circumstances then yeah I could get behind it but this just wasn’t the time.
Christian had a legacy run when he beat Kenny Omega. You can count on maybe 1 hand and a finger on how many people have beat Omega since AEW's inception. That's like getting a dub over Roman Reigns during 2020-2024. You also have to look at how young AEW is but they have guys like Jericho, Danielson, Samoa Joe as World champions. MJF is the only World champion who was under 30 and his reign fucking sucked but still. If Christian wins the title it's like man, and we thought it was a problem when Hogan, Flair, and Savage were winning WCW titles in their early 40's lol.
I think I would be cool with it as a transitional reign with one or two big highlight matches, but now is not the time for that with Bryan already probably serving that role.
I don’t expect him to win the title, at least not now anyway. I’m curious if this is some sort of 4D chess game where Lucha costs him when the title is on the line but still the whole thing feels dragged out.
I think Ospreay pulling the double champ act and being the one to beat Danielson again would go over huge though. They might even have an International title tournament if he is kayfabe forced to relinquish it as AEW loves their tournaments certainly lol.
I think I'd rather they cement Osprey's legacy with the International Title and build him up for a big World Title run next year between All In and Forbidden Door.
I think it should be Swerve, Hangman, or Darby to take the belt off Bryan probably, but I'm also open to surprise options(like my pipe dream of Takeshita)
How long did the PPV run?
Not including the pre-show, 4 hours.
TBF that is pretty good. I will say I will take AEW pre-show where there are matches for an hour or two than WWE's three hours of welcome to the show and a billion ads. I think Luchasours will stop the cash in as this is a long game for him. Then we should not see Christian with a title match ever again, same goes with Edge. Even though Edge/Bryan has some unfinished business, but that is WWE business which AEW needs to stay away from. Ricochet was used badly in WWE compared to his talent. WWE viewed him as a midcard and convinced their fanbase that is all he was. I think he will do well in an AEW that seems to be going through a transition period where there are more chances for him to rise than in WWE. I will say even if I am right about Luchasours I do think there were still better options than Christian like Page or Okada or Nigel Fucking McGuiness.
AEW can't help themselves from staying in WWE business though.
This is true. Khan as much as he tries to say they are the better product is a fanboy at heart and can’t resist the WWE callbacks at times.
Not disagreeing, just saying if you do Edge/Bryan, bring it up once and then let it go....
because he doesn't act like AEW is in a bubble. he incorporates most wrestlers entire careers into their stories, and i wouldn't want it any other way.
Depends on the context and who’s doing it. Rhodes doing a Spinaroonie is a fun call back as he has obvious history with Booker. Britt doing an Eddie…not so much especially as it doesn’t make logical sense as Mone should have been DQed if the ref saw it that way. Plus Caster taking cheap shots, inside jabs in his raps.
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britt doing the eddie was really just to contrast mercedes using the three amigos and veing heavily influenced by eddie. it was a spot put i just so commentary could go 'mercedes not the only one who studied eddie guerrero.'
with that said, the chair spot was absolutely stupid, since as you say, it could have easily just caused a DQ and let mercedes retain.
the max caster stuff is just a battle rap staple. he pulls references from everywhere. he had an EDL reference in his all in rap, for fuck's sake!
I get that and maybe I wasn’t clear, but it’s more like when stuff happens in WWE then Caster raps about it in the same week.
He’s definitely not the worst example but just saying Khan could ease back a bit on the WWE stuff at times.
i just don't think it's as rampant as some people make it out to be that it needs to be 'eased back.'
WWE aren’t entirely innocent either on this tbf as they’ve done thinly veiled shots too although AEW have been doing it for years. Not so rampant now but still there at times.
Like I say it’s about context. Old school references by WWE wrestlers who worked in the company now and again is fine. Cheap heat/low hanging fruit shots at the other company...it’s not a channel switcher for me or anything but still kinda annoying (this goes to WWE as well).
Really just answering to Donald’s original point, it does happen a fair bit
WWE is less in a bubble these days. They showed Chris Jericho in that Kevin Owens package on Smackdown last week after all.
Vince would never have let that happen.
People dragging Britt for her performance on Sunday. Then others defending her talking about how serious her injuries were and how she even came back early and what not. Then people dragging Brit reminded those defending her how she dragged on Thunder Rosa hard during the time she was gone due to injury. Love it.
I saw a clip of Paige vs. someone, Mariah maybe? and it was...just awful. Then again Paige hasn't always been a great wrestler.
I'm not the biggest Britt fan, and the more I hear about her as a person, if any of it is true, she seems kind of shitty. But her match with Mercedes was fine. I'd say good even, just not up to the par of a lot of other stuff on the show. The amount of discourse there has been about how she sucked in that match is ridiculous compared to the actual performance.
That said, I definitely hope she stays nowhere near the titles for a while after this. There's almost an entire roster of women I'd prefer to see in the spotlight before her.
Suddenly, I want to see Mox do a monster heel run at the top with a new spin on his old gimmick as he tries to tear AEW back down to the basics
Is he going after the four pillars? Starting with Allin?
I'm assuming it's something similar to that. If the rumors are true/manipulated to make Mox seem upset about the growing over-production in AEW and feeling like everyone needs to get it pounded out of them, it would make some sense that he's misguided/correct in thinking that it's the pillars' fault.
Either way, I'm interested to see where it goes.
Also, All Out is already shaping up to be an awesome blood feud card. It's still kinda crazy to me that I've been in Chicago since 2020 and have yet to go, but this might end up being one of the best to finally be going.
I just hope it's not an NWO type storyline haha.
Remember when CM Punk was cutting promos about her now being one of the four pillars? And people were taking it seriously (as much as they want to deny it now).
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I think there is a strong argument she belonged there simply because at the time she was the only woman who had a stand out character that consistently got big reactions.
But I also think in the last year or two, the division has been filled with stronger women both in the ring and that can deliver as characters at least on par with her. She was definitely a pillar of the foundation, but she's currently being demolished in favor of more sturdy pillars.
AEW's mistake was trying to label people who never drew a dime as "pillars" before they actually became pillars. You not only put an extreme amount of pressure on these 4 young men but then you have to go above and beyond to DEFEND them to an extent. Nobody out there asking why one of the 4 pillars on tag champs on ROH with Goldust? Nobody wants to admit Jungle Boy is never going to be over. That leaves MJF and Darby. MJF died when they turned him babyface and Darby is almost an attraction at this point. The pillars are Moxley, Jericho, Omega, and Cody. Those were the 4 strongest names in the company at the start that drew the fans in.
With all that said....Punk calling Britt more of a pillar than MJF or whatever he said there was a little truth. I'd agree that she was more important than Jungle Boy and Sammy without a doubt. Anyone who has watched AEW knows that she was never that good in the ring and it was mostly character work. And even now she's still one of the best women on the roster but when you're a company who prides itself on "Oh I just bought a shiny new toy" and you have so many toys now, the OGs are going to take a backseat. Now it's basically if you're not showing your ass and dripping in sex appeal and talking about taking a shit on Tony Schiavone, do AEW fans even care?
Willow Nightingale is right there proving those last few sentences wrong.
Good for Danielson. One of my top 5 favorite ever dudes in the biz. He deserves every bit of success.
i don’t see why one other than Willow’s Prey taking that belt off him.
My comment left a few exceptions to the rule but even Willow is an afterthought. She's on the pre-show in a goofy as fuck match that made everyone look like a joke. So I don't know if even she's the exception to the rule. Right now I think AEW fans hate women's wrestling more than they ever have and rightfully so. The one good angle (Toni Storm/Mariah) was based around weird incel perv fandom the same people who love Riho and give women 5 stars for pouring blood out of their heads and ass.
Willow’s a good worker but as of now lacking that aggressive edge.
Jamie Hayter having returned might be the best bet for Mariah having that edge but it’s something they need to build to. Doing it now would be too early.
I think also part of the problem is AEW just don’t have the same time that WWE does as regards to the women getting decent TV time.
There is talent there too but yeah the stories do suffer a bit too.
The thing is they've been getting more time and it's just exposing how terrible the division truly is. Motherfuckers that love AEW were swinging their dicks like crazy when Tony shelled out all that loot for Sasha Banks and she has more go away heat now than X-Pac, Charlie Haas, and Hugh Morrus have combined.
The most over women's storyline was disguised as some 50's classic when it was just one of those Skinemax parodies. And I fucking loved it too lol. But that's what I'm saying. Sky Blue. Took 400 pics of her ass getting posted by AEW dorks for her to get a push. Where's Julia Hart been? Why is Athena STILL in Ring of Honor if she's supposedly the shit?
My favorite is they're still trying to make Ronda Rousey's homegirl a thing. I mean, at first we didn't know her, didn't want to know her, now we know her and I'm wishing we never knew her. Always hated her way before wrestling.
That’s a fair question re Julia Hart. Where is she?
Sasha an obviously work, just can’t stand her as a character.
Abadon however for example is an intriguing character and could be pushed more as a threat.
Julia is out with injury. Shame because that bascially stalled Sky Blue
Honestly surprised that Athena hasn't shown up here and there in AEW to work a program. I feel like she has to be running out of people on the ROH side.
The argument I've seen is that Athena is ROH to build up the women's roster over there but she comes across as a shark in a goldfish bowl. She's not even that good but in comparison she shines.
Beyond Billie Starkz who is even over in ROH to build from? I stopped really reading results sometime ago and just pick up bits and pieces of what is going on.
I mean haven't they had Nyla and Shida challenge her for the title. That is not really building a division.
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I know Queen Aminata is someone they've been building up there, having some standout matches with Starks and Athena. Leyla Hirsch and Diamante also just had a feud that was pretty well received from what I read. I mostly only see occasional highlights and watch some of the PPVs, though
ROH 2024 is WWECW. If you're on that show it's not because you're there to build anyone up or make the show better it's simply you are a body and you're going there because we have a show to do.
I'll say this, as long as Athena is making more money than she was in WWE she can say it's been worth it.
Don’t insult WWECW like that. That show was fuckin awesome
Not seen All In yet, but see that ITV4 in the UK showed it free to air 4 days after the event. Pretty sweet. Especially as I wasn't going to order it because I was going away that day and knew I'd see all the spoilers before I got back. So will check this out this week. Really looking forward to it.
But, as has been discussed in here already, Christian as the number 1 contender? Again? At his age and stage, and with a stacked roster as it is, I don't get it. I sighed loudly when he was announced as Swerve's first challenger just a couple of months ago. And I've always loved Christian, he's awesome.
Guess there's a lot of internal interest in Danielson and Christian. And to be honest, I don't recall a match between the two, so.
As to Ricochet, guessing he wants to have some fun over there and fair play for betting on himself. I too feel he'll be lost in the shuffle within weeks and he had a nice spot in WWE. Ah well, we shall see.
hell yeah. the best wrestling of the overall dire year 2009.
Although Dismember to Discember was not one to remember lol.
Oh dear God he is actually suing
They had a match on Collision in 2023, and faced each other a few times in singles matches in WWE, but yeah like you I don't recall any of them haha.
Do I have to check my newsfeed?
I did.
Every time Independent contractor comes up in a lawsuit, I watch with interest.
This should be interesting. However AEW does let their talent work the indies and cons and all that stuff. So not quite the level of WWE contracts which lets be honest WWE wrestlers are not independent contractors. Either way should be interesting to see how it plays out
What is he claiming is the breach of contract again? Been a minute since I've read about this drama.
Firstly Defrost yes we get it you are taking credit for Kelly leaving or something, Maybe add some context to a post next time though.
Secondly I was confused when googling as I thought Andrew and Tristan Tate where backing Kelly for some reason
Reading that threw me off too until I remembered that the Tate Twins were Dalton's original boys lolFirstly Defrost yes we get it you are taking credit for Kelly leaving or something, Maybe add some context to a post next time though.
Secondly I was confused when googling as I thought Andrew and Tristan Tate where backing Kelly for some reason
I agree that they've ateast got that.
There's still the ongoing relationship, control status, and this is one of the most subjective areas for interpretation in employment law.
I've been through a few challenges with companies, and have always been found in compliance. But talking with the auditors etc.....it can.get really fucking arbitrary.
Ok, well TV matches are a dime a dozen and nobody watches Collision.
To my knowledge, there has never been a programme between the two, that's more accurate.
It's no different than WWE it's just that AEW is so much smaller than WWE they are more willing to let their talent go do indies and cons more frequently. WWE also likes to have a much tighter stranglehold on their roster which has always been a double edged sword for me. I think of Razor asking Vince to let him go to Japan for 6 weeks and make some side money and Vince saying "As soon as you leave I'll need you hear" And for a guy on Razor's level I can see that being true but think about all these years where the talent were just being hoarded. There was a time where WWE had a large roster and they would spread everyone out on all the shows including the smaller shows like Metal, Velocity, etc.
I just wonder now if WWE will continue to be even more relaxed with letting talent do things outside the WWE bubble while still representing WWE. AEW isn't really any different than all these other promotions they just have more money, which is why they pay their talents a shit load of money and they don't work indies or do cons. It seems AEW has kind of relaxed on letting their talent work outside AEW, even affiliates.
I think you can say WWE sending people down to TNA is working the Indys at this point. Even if its their Z level talent while WWE is getting TNA's best talent and using them to put over their low tier talent on NXT.
Is it AEW's thing to have Champions come out first? Its been a couple of weeks since I first noticed but on this week's Dynamite, both Okada and Mariah May both entered first.
I straight up forgot Deonna Purrazzo until today. Hopefully she'll get a chance to work with Mercedes or Mariah before too long.
If you have Brian Danieson on commentary, why noask ask about Moxley's status in the BCC? (as an aside, in AEW Shafir was the worst advert for the WWE performance centre, but she may have found her niche as Moxley's Chyna)
Uh, Hangman, I think that's first degree arson according to the Washington state legislature: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.48.020
It’s okay in the wrestling world! See also Orton setting the Wyatt house on fire, Kane and Paul Bearer lighting graves on fire etc lol
Swerve won't press charges as he gets to fight the man in A STEEL CAGE instead. Classic pro wrestling goodness.
It's a banger of a card, though I am kind of worried about what Hanger and Swerve have planned. Going to be an absolute bloodbath.
quite like the look of the card tonight. could do without the tag match but everything else i'm pretty excited for. it's not too long either! imagine if tony gave us a three hour ppv. one can dream ...
tonight's card is STACKED~.
Some fun matches to be there live for last night, but tonight is about to be wild. As long as more than 1 or 2 matches don't completely shit the bed, this could end up being the best AEW PPV of all time.
Whatever the case, I'm excited.
Main event was suitably disgusting. Only detraction was the weak bladejobs. Hangman going back then turning away was perfect - to him, this is now over. He burned the man's family house down and definitively, finally, beat him. That celebratory scream said it all. The rivalry was one sided and Hangman had to become worse than Swerve to beat him. Yet still, mercy at the end by simply stopping. That's it. But for Swerve, it likely isn't. He has to go further still to beat his career rival.
Talk about having options for Danielson - blood feud with Moxley, a Hangman focused on the title, Okada if the Elite still chase the big prize, MJF who beat him at his own game, Ospreay the last to beat him in a singles match. Moxley at Wrestle Dream looks likely, but I wonder if Mox and Darby's thing happens there instead? It's good that they've recovered after feeling pretty cold after the Punk drama - could do with a good couple of teams getting heated other than that everything is positioned well.
Don’t think asphyxiation was the most tasteful thing they could’ve done though. Why not just beat him down?
I am fine with it. It sold the fact that Mox is willing to kill Bryan. I loved Wheeler's reaction. Also WCW did the plastic bag back in the 90s, this is nothing new. All these Ex-WWE guys out there and the Shane rumors, feels like an Invasion is brewing. This maybe the bloodiest PPV ever put on from a major promotion since ECW. It makes sense as this PPV has had more blood feuds going into it than WWE has with a PPV called Bad Blood in a few weeks. I was not a fan of Willow losing as the AEW's women division really needs a babyface going after the titles. Toni is not a real babyface just a delusional heel who the fans like. Queen Amerita is not a known fact as someone who could realistically challenge Mariah. I just love both women and I was hoping Willow can end this feud with Kris, however I think Kris probably ended it. I guess Swerve is taking time off so, it makes sense for Hangman to win. Hangman does seem to be on an island out there, but that is fine, because he can be put in the Elite story or in feud with someone new.
I was a fan of the cage match, including the Thumbtack Jack spot with the needle, but the ending was right up there with Seth Rollins v. The Fiend HIAC. When was the last time we saw a doctor stoppage in a cage match....?
The BCC turn on Danielson was way the fuck past overdue and was super corny. This stable should've died when Regal left as it was already the shits. I fucking love Jon Moxley but whatever the fuck is going on right now is arguably the worst angle in wrestling. And the fact he's apparently pulling information from a movie about Neo Nazis and he's in the main Neo Nazi role.....Looking like a fucking Neo Nazi ffs.....See, I've hated the BCC because it never needed to happen. Mox and Danielson should've been feuding and Regal would take a side.
Willow/Stat....whatever lol
MJF/Garcia....lame.
Honestly this whole show was just pretty lackluster. It needed all the blood and horror to make up for lackluster angles and mid wrestlers. The best match was hands down PAC v. Ospreay. Love watching guys like that who prove that you don't 100 guys that flip and no sell when you just need the top tier guys available like these 2, Ricochet, Kenny Omega. Fuck the rest. They'll stand out more .
Just because it was done once doesn’t make it any less controversial. They could’ve easily accomplished that without it. Moxley’s got a bulldog choke for a submission finisher, could’ve just slapped that on him after a beatdown.
As far as the show overall, I agree that PAC/Ospreay was definitely MOTN. Perry/Danielson was fine but yeah no-one gives Perry a chance in that. I actually enjoyed MJF/Garcia too. Garcia seeing scummy MJF coming at the end got a great pop. 4-way was okay but yeah could never get into Okada losing. I’m curious as to who’s gonna take it off him at this point. Willow/Kris feud has just gone on too long and pedestrian. Shida/Mone..ehh predictable. Doesn’t help I’m just not into the Mone character either. The action was good in PAC/Yuta and the Bucks but the ref kinda take liberties with the double teams in these matches lol. Cage match was unique with the grill (and needle) stuff.
Bit of a mixed bag of a show.
Not seen it yet, but I would have been uneasy watching Hanger and Swerve live, knowing they were going to do some mad shit.
AEW seems like an accident waiting to happen. Will probably be Darby.
Still enjoy AEW on the whole and it's important that they stick around, but Tony Khan appears to be quite the fool.
So what was the point in Danielson no selling the European uppercut? The shock of the betrayal just numbed him to the pain?
Apparently there was a backstage fight during this PPV, as is tradition.
I also want to chime in and say that just because ECW was a thing in the 90's for a few years doesn't mean fans who watched that were only watching to see what wild shit New Jack or Ballz Mahoney were going to do. There's a reason ECW never made any money, never became a real contender, and needed Vince McMahon's help from time to time.
ECW made money. It all went to Paul's pocket. ECW was shut down as soon as Vince got inkling that he could buy WCW. He wanted to be the only game in town and he was until AEW came about. People bitch that AEW is too storyline centric like WWE. When they do something that is not WWE, people bitch. AEW is stuck in this weird place right now most of it due to hiring Punk. They put on all these great wrestling matches and no one cares. They do controversial stories and people clutch their pearls. They are in this don't run fast or don't go too slow with the IWC. Yet, they are going to sign a huge deal, so again the IWC doesn't matter. I am fine with the blood, but they do have to state before hand this is going to be a borderline hard R show. That is the only suggestion I have for this besides Willow should have won.
Racist
ECW never turned a profit. Listen to anything Paul Heyman, Bubba, Taz, Dreamer, the list goes on of how expensive everything was. He couldn't pay talent because he had to spend money to do tv but then he couldn't spend money on touring because he had to pay the talent. It was a vicious cycle and that's why he needed Vince's help from time to time.
99% of AEW's fanbase is the "IWC". Nerds that only know cable tv wrestling and pretend because they google someone they're smart. What's the saying, it's for the sickos? Well.....Again, there's a reason ECW isn't around. There's a reason FMW died. There's a reason you don't see that level of brutality and nonsense in mainstream wrestling on a consistent basis. People can talk about the Attitude Era...what about it? How often did anyone but Mick Foley do extreme stuff in WWF? You rarely saw it in WCW. The hardcore division was almost pure comedy in both companies. When did fans start pretending everything until AEW came into existence was universally accepted? Bad angles, spots, gimmicks, shock value bullshit is very hit or miss and usually it's a miss.
Think of this way....Not every fan reacts the same way. Controversial stories aren't automatically great. Using popular angles that actually got over as an excuse as to why something in today's product should be loved as well is dumb.
The IWC is not really the same thing as it was in 2010. You watch wrestling at all or click anything, it's on your feed. people comment on twitter, reddit, etc. And it's not like back then where there were sites like here, TPWW, etc all with ongoing, long-form conversations. Now you have news, and largely people responding to trolls and quick bits.
You're discussing low and high information fans, counter-culture and traditional fans, and company loyalists. There's certainly some overlap on those venn diagrams. But it's definitely not the IWC that gave us the 5 moves of doom, and Cena's workrate discussions. It really is not the same world for consensus views. Back then, the overall trends were easier to see. Now, it's harder as a few trolls have more bandwidth on a feed....as it's not really discussion. Leads to people thinking opinions are more prevalent than they are.
So Christian wins a gauntlet to get a World title shot. Now Fletcher and Ospreay have won a tag-team gauntlet to get a tag-title shot against the Bucks.
What's sad about AEW's tag division is for the first 2 years maybe I felt it was one of those glaring differences between WWE and AEW at the time. I felt like ok here's another wrestling promotion doing what WWE doesn't do consistently-showcase the tag-team division. But then again, I still hated that Omega and Hangman were tag champs when there were 10-12 other actual teams. I get why they did it, they had a 2-3 year story pre-planned with Hangman but it was still dumb. But the entire division didn't suffer like it has been.
How many fucking people have a title shot now against Danielson lined up?
PS-The nerds online that were swearing MCMG were coming to AEW every other week, I'm hearing they're NXT bound. DX.
They have been WWE bound for a while but right after the gauntlet match was announced all the sudden people were convinced was going to show up and win and challenge the Bucks.
Christian has basically a money in the bank thing and Darby is the only other one with a shot lined up. Supposed to be at Grand Slam but guess they decided to move it to do this whole thing with Moxley only to say we are getting Danielson vs Nigel at Grand Slam. If he is medically cleared Darby should get his shot. Sigh
I am guessing Fletcher like turns a solid heel on Osprey at their shot though. Shame to do it this way though when you have teams that could use a boost by getting a shot at the Bucks.
Fan theory I saw is that Danielson wants Darby to retire him in Washington at Wrestle Dream so they pivoted away from the match at Grand Slam. So they get the Nigel match in and give Darby something to do with Moxley in the meantime. Darby wins but short reign due to Christian cashing in at some point. Not a bad theory but not sure it will play out that way.
It all sounds like panic booking. I'll die of laughter if they put the World title on Christian. Again, I've said it here, I love Christian but it's like with Samoa Joe. Why? Why are these guys getting a World title run? Joe had no business being champion, that should've been Wardlow's spot. Christian has no business being anywhere near a World title.
I think we are seeing a Christian reign coming and he doesn't need it. He is doing fine with what he is doing. But yeah I think we are getting it.
I'm for a short christian reign. yeah, he doesn't actually 'need' it, but he's been fantastic with this heel turn, and has managed to keep it entertaining and just when you think he may have reached a plateau, he says some new out of pocket shit. he's in a perfect position as a character and viable enough as a competitor to do one of these transitional reigns. it'll be a nice feather in his cap to have been a world champion is WWE, TNA and AEW.
Perry hits the busaiku knee to finish Lio Rush and not one of the three commentators called it. As in, clearly going after Danielson. It's the little things.
Anyway, Guevara and Ricochet was really fun and Grand Slam is shaping up quite nicely.
Hopefully they can shift a few more tickets with the announcement of Danielson and McGuinness and Darby and Mox. AEW shows are really struggling at the moment and surely smaller venues is the short-term fix.
Christian is killing it as a shock value midcarder that shouldn't result in a World title run. But it's AEW. They don't really have any history so being a WWE/TNA/AEW champion means what right now? People always be trying to manufacture AEW as this company who has all this legacy and prestige based on.................?
I love The Beast Mortos. That is all.
He's one of my fav parts of AEW right now. Hoping he keeps getting TV Time and good matches and by early next year he starts getting in real feuds/title matches
Beast is fuckin awesome. The mask, the frickin spinning dive he does, and every time he throws his hands up every time he hits a movie…. Love it all. Corny AF, but damn he’ll knock your block off.
AEW have put (by the looks of it) all of the ROH McGuinness vs. Danielson matches up on YouTube. They had such great chemistry back in the day. Bit surreal that a match that happened first in an armory in Cleveland is happening at the stadium that hosts the US Open final. I hope they do it justice. 15 years almost to the day of the last match. Bryan obviously went on to be a huge star but if Nigel doesn't fail his medical it's a huge what if. He was a much better Wade Barrett, and potentially falls into that spot and has more success as he'd have excelled bell to bell with Cena and Orton. Glad that he has been able to get into condition to get a huge Wembley pop and a big televised main event for a top company.
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