All Elite Wrestling

[VHS]

I can see that if AEW had the ability to unlock that potential but since they never figured out what to really do with her for 3 years I don't think they cared. If they did, they would've tried harder I think. That's not really a knock on them. TK flat out said he likes to take people who have a following and put them on a bigger stage if possible. How many original concepts have we seen in AEW? What wrestler can you go "AEW created everything about them"? Next part isn't related to anything you're saying just wanted to be clear.

I think this is more about the brand. WWE transcended pro wrestling 35 years ago no one will ever be the next WWE or even a real competitor. Nobody in the real world cares if Edge shows up tonight or if Jade leaves AEW for WWE. Most people didn't even know Cody Rhodes had been wrestling this whole time.

Yeah, it's pretty much AEW having this precious stone in their possession, but they either didn't know how to crack the outer shell or... they didn't know what they had. AEW's had a reputation for acquiring larger than life figures and just squandering them in record time. Say what you will about Punk, but AEW showed they are unable and incapable of holding onto someone like him. Now Jade's gone and their precious stone will be in someone else's hands, more capable hands? Time will tell. If Jade has it in her to learn and sharpen herself into the super star she can be, then AEW's loss will indeed be WWE's immense gain.

It's going to take time, but this is pro wrestling. It's all about time.

[Badger]

The range of the WWE women’s division blows AEW’s apart really so can see her maybe feeling stagnant. She’ll get better competition and grow but if Jade can’t learn from WWE’s women then it really will be down to her failing but yeah she has upside.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah, it's pretty much AEW having this precious stone in their possession, but they either didn't know how to crack the outer shell or... they didn't know what they had. AEW's had a reputation for acquiring larger than life figures and just squandering them in record time. Say what you will about Punk, but AEW showed they are unable and incapable of holding onto someone like him. Now Jade's gone and their precious stone will be in someone else's hands, more capable hands? Time will tell. If Jade has it in her to learn and sharpen herself into the super star she can be, then AEW's loss will indeed be WWE's immense gain.

It's going to take time, but this is pro wrestling. It's all about time.

I agree. You have to think about how people come to AEW and then they just feel like another body.

The range of the WWE women’s division blows AEW’s apart really so can see her maybe feeling stagnant. She’ll get better competition and grow but if Jade can’t learn from WWE’s women then it really will be down to her failing but yeah she has upside.

I agree. If you can't elevate your game with the talent in WWE men and women, you only have yourself to blame. With AEW like I said, I feel if they were really wanting her to reach that next level they would've taken her out of the TBS title picture or had her work with bigger names in the company like Britt, Saraya, etc. Not just hanging out in the midcard.

[Morrison]

Based off her potential, as you said, it is a loss. Considering now that her potential will be harnessed in WWE, it will be AEW's loss.



See above.

there is no guarantee she meets that potential, though. she had daniel bryan training her and had the whole non-wwe wrestling world available to her for additional training and learning and improving. there are reports that wwe are coming up with main roster shit for her, so she could be bypassing nxt. i don't know that she gains that much ground in wwe outside of getting their massive marketing and hype teams involved, which aew couldn't compete with.

[Defrost]

Winning with the Kawada style Powerbomb was awesome

[Psycho666Soldier]

Winning with the Kawada style Powerbomb was awesome

Yeah I appreciated that. Kinda surprised Excalibur didn't catch it.

Eddie long deserved it.

[Donald]

Sucks mox looks to have a concussion. That driver looked brutal. Hopefully aew bans those types of moves in the future.

[Donald]

Also I get why the ref didn't count to three cause that wasn't the plan but it looked weird to see.

[Morrison]

Sucks mox looks to have a concussion. That driver looked brutal. Hopefully aew bans those types of moves in the future.

shut up.

[Badger]

Apparently from what’s been reported, he was actually concussed during the pre-match brawl and wrestled the whole match concussed.

It seems he’s going to be okay though.

[Nash Diesel]

shut up.

This company is a fuckin clown show.

[Nash Diesel]

Apparently from what’s been reported, he was actually concussed during the pre-match brawl and wrestled the whole match concussed.

It seems he’s going to be okay though.

Yeah because all these years of listening to wrestlers and athletes in general talking about the effects of concussions=he's going to be okay though. The fuck he is lol.

I swear when it comes to AEW everything we've learned that is bad for the sport just goes out the window.

[Donald]

Moxley sounds like he's hard headed so I wouldn't be surprised to see him wrestling again in a couple of weeks.

[NeseToTheFace]

shut up.

lol

[Nash Diesel]

When Morrison was young he developed an imaginary friend who would come in at night and pee in his mouth. Now he bounces between the 2 personalities in an effort to keep the old days of Rajah alive. I'm actually shocked he didn't tuck his penis like Simon and others and just hide out in the R-Fed threads.

[Badger]

Yeah because all these years of listening to wrestlers and athletes in general talking about the effects of concussions=he's going to be okay though. The fuck he is lol.

I swear when it comes to AEW everything we've learned that is bad for the sport just goes out the window.

Well obviously not okay okay but from what’s been reported, it’s a minor concussion but he made it out on his own power.

Just quoting the report.

[Badger]

Anyways rest of the show. Great opener with Eddie/Claudio. Probably favourite of the night.

Jericho/Sammy had a couple of mistakes like that kick in the corner that fell short but otherwise solid. LOVED the Jericho/HBK Mania callback!

HLA in Toni/Saraya lol.

Pissed myself at Roddy Strong again and even moreso at the MJF/Bret parody “I’m adopted!!” Solid match with classic scumbag shenanigans.

[Tyrone]

When Morrison was young he developed an imaginary friend who would come in at night and pee in his mouth. Now he bounces between the 2 personalities in an effort to keep the old days of Rajah alive. I'm actually shocked he didn't tuck his penis like Simon and others and just hide out in the R-Fed threads.

I bet there's a few dudes here who drink their own piss

[Nash Diesel]

I counted 7 nods to something WWE did last night it was mind blowing. Especially after reading Tony Khan say he works 80 hours a week. I assume that's watching 80 hours of WWE on Peacock looking for the next big idea!

[Donald]

They should start parodying the IcoPro commercials next.

[NeseToTheFace]

I bet there's a few dudes here who drink their own piss

Don't knock it until you try it man. Not saying I did but hey if he enjoys that kinda thing good for him .... I guess. Like that dude who parks his car to have staredowns with people in other cars. Internet tough guys.

[Nash Diesel]

I do hope Mox isn't seriously hurt. I just read the other day that El Hijo Del Viking cat had a botch that put him in a wheelchair the other night. HOpefully he's doing ok.

[Donald]

Yeah you don't wish anyone to get injured at all, regardless of how you feel about them. I think some talent need to tone down their work. You should want to be able to walk 10, 20 years down the road.

[VHS]

The Mox stuff was a little scary, but I'm glad to hear he made it out on his own power. Was it the dive off the stage from Fenix that wuzzled him? After the first piledriver, I think the ref thought Mox would just kick out because that wasn't the finish, but after the second they probably had already called an audible. That second one looked bad too though. Fuck. Regardless of the severity, concussions are always serious.

Hope it's a wakeup call for all parties.

They should start parodying the IcoPro commercials next.

this

[Nash Diesel]

When people in AEW seemed to get knocked the fuck out and concussed on a weekly basis I don't think it's going to be a wake up call for anyone. This is the company that still gleefully employs Jeff Hardy.

[Mazer]

Regarding Jade Cargill- It's a loss to me.

Jade was one of their most featured females prior to her release. She was a home-grown talent. The backstage comments were that she was eager to learn. I think I'm higher on Jade's most recent mic work than some here, but I think she's got charisma. She was highly promoted and every time I saw, ripped the company well. Possibly the best look of anyone in the company.

I can see the argument that you might not miss her if she missed a show . But honestly, how many people on AEW isn't that true of?

5?

[Nash Diesel]

I just don't think AEW sees their talent like WWE sees certain talent. I think with some of us we're thinking about Jade being more than a wrestler but a crossover star and how much easier that will be working for WWE than AEW. You don't see AEW hiring people with that mentality.

[Mazer]

I just don't think AEW sees their talent like WWE sees certain talent. I think with some of us we're thinking about Jade being more than a wrestler but a crossover star and how much easier that will be working for WWE than AEW. You don't see AEW hiring people with that mentality.

That's entirely possible. Who knows what goes on in the AEW planning room. For all we know, it changes with what Khan has for breakfast. I feel like they did at least make some efforts on that front with Cody. Another person who had charisma and a good look.....who AEW stans didn't appreciate sufficiently.

I completely get behind the argument that currently that AEW or WWE will rarely be impacted by the loss of one talent in any significant way. So, from that perspective, I get the "not a loss". And agree, Hell, Cody Rhodes is one of the biggest stars in the world right now, a huge success, and it could be argued that him leaving didn't really "hurt" AEW that much.


From another perspective f -over the last year and a half or so- I think she improved the segments she was on, was a strong presence, and one of their biggest female stars. I don't think the women's division is going that well, and I think she made it better, and actually had the potential to improve it more.

[Nash Diesel]

That's the thing. AEW, like everyone else, doesn't really look at their product and their talent like the WWE. That's a Vince McMahon thing and he's really the only one to truly master it. WCW couldn't even do it. Promoters just take what is getting over elsewhere and position it accordingly. VKM took that approach to the next level, learning from his father's mistake with the whole Hogan/Thunder Lips debacle. But Vince also has a knack for dictating who can do what so there are limits even in WWE. The women's division in AEW is so poorly booked it's not really a win or lose situation. You're just kind of there until Statlander gets hurt or Britt has to spell.

[Eddie Brock]

I'm torn. On one hand I can't blame Jade for going to WWE and grabbing that bag, and there are plenty of matchups there that would be great to see.

But I also feel like there's more she could do in AEW before making the inevitable jump to WWE. Namely, a longer program with Statlander, maybe a babyface run, and then a run with the Women's belt. She could be the dragon at the top of the division hoarding the gold and waiting for the next woman the company wants to elevate up the card.

I'd much rather see Jade with some more experience and seasoning show up in WWE, and another year in AEW would be the way to do it. But, as someone who likes Jade, I'm happy with either option. I think with training at the PC she'll do well.

[Mazer]

Just watching Dynamite.

Kingston may have the worst chops in the business

[Badger]

Just watching Dynamite.

Kingston may have the worst chops in the business

I love the match don’t get me wrong but yeah be barely tickled Claudio about fifty times. It was like a bad gif.

If you’re going to do a good chop, at least rear back and gie it some welly! Chops are overused as a plot device I feel but at least rear back and earn that WOOOOOO!!!!!

[Nash Diesel]

I'm torn. On one hand I can't blame Jade for going to WWE and grabbing that bag, and there are plenty of matchups there that would be great to see.

But I also feel like there's more she could do in AEW before making the inevitable jump to WWE. Namely, a longer program with Statlander, maybe a babyface run, and then a run with the Women's belt. She could be the dragon at the top of the division hoarding the gold and waiting for the next woman the company wants to elevate up the card.

I'd much rather see Jade with some more experience and seasoning show up in WWE, and another year in AEW would be the way to do it. But, as someone who likes Jade, I'm happy with either option. I think with training at the PC she'll do well.

I agree but they should've done all of this a year ago. She should've already been women's champion by now. She should've had programs with Toni Storm, Saraya, Britt Baker, but AEW for whatever reason didn't want to go that route. The other issue is that she wasn't getting any better. Honestly, even if she did get to work with some of the higher placed talent the matches would've been bad because the best worker AEW has in that division is a girl who can barely keep her neck in tact. The rest are pretty bad. She had to go to WWE. Hell even TNA would've been a step up in competition because of the caliber of women who work there compared to AEW.

[Donald]

AEW seems to be about dream matches rather than caring about any storylines. Just put two guys together and have a match. There's no investment.

[MTR]

They do that a lot but that is also playing into the audience they have that want that stuff. Just give us the match.

[Nash Diesel]

I would say 99% of the non-WWE wrestling companies focus on just trying to win over Dave Meltzer and the story takes a backseat. That's why most of AEW's storylines are based on what talent did in other companies. Imagine if every time you saw a movie with Christian Bale they would try to incorporate and continue a story from the Nolan Batman trilogy because of how popular they were? That's AEW. TK has said it himself, he takes people who were big elsewhere and puts them on his platform. Very similar to what WCW used to do. Not giving anyone an excuse as it's lazy booking but again it goes back to how WWE does their thing and how everyone else does their thing.

Everyone is out there trying to get clout from the WWE and their fans, their investors, etc. So when CJ Perry and Miro are ANOTHER cuckhold storyline and when Dolph Ziggler shows up to give that Deadpool/Zack Morris 4th wall nod to the WWE their fans will be like oh shit they just gave a nod to that WWE storyline!! They must be so fucking cool.....

But this approach is what makes it easy to follow everyone outside the WWE. You really don't need to be invested in a single AEW storyline because their stories are very basic. If it's not a nod to the trinity-WWE/ECW/WCW then it's simply "I want to be better than you" And that's totally fine. That's what drew me into Japanese wrestling as a kid in the 90's when I had no clue what the fuck was going on-and you didn't have to it was just about rivalries and being the best. You never saw any bullshit with Kenta Kobashia wanting to fuck Takada's wife lol.

[Murphy]

That's what drew me into Japanese wrestling as a kid in the 90's when I had no clue what the fuck was going on-and you didn't have to it was just about rivalries and being the best. You never saw any bullshit with Kenta Kobashia wanting to fuck Takada's wife lol.

Same as that, my man. Used to love getting my Japanese tapes from a tape trader in 1997/98ish.

Shinya Hashimoto, Koji Kanemoto, Jushin Liger, Dr Wagner Jnr - Good times. Wish I still had those tapes, actually.

[Donald]

I havea Japanese death match DVD compilation somewhere. Got it for Christmas one year. I think it was one of those "Oh he likes wrestling let's get him this" type gifts. But man I'm a WWE fan, not a wrestling fan.

[Peter Griffin]

I had a bushido video once, Dunno where from.

[Nash Diesel]

Same as that, my man. Used to love getting my Japanese tapes from a tape trader in 1997/98ish.

Shinya Hashimoto, Koji Kanemoto, Jushin Liger, Dr Wagner Jnr - Good times. Wish I still had those tapes, actually.

Shout out to the wrestling mags of our era.

I havea Japanese death match DVD compilation somewhere. Got it for Christmas one year. I think it was one of those "Oh he likes wrestling let's get him this" type gifts. But man I'm a WWE fan, not a wrestling fan.

10+ years ago they used to have these Japanese death match ppvs with like 5-6 random matches that were pretty awesome. I think I have all 10 volumes.

[Donald]

Kinda crazy that Tony let Cargill go. Maybe with Edge being rumored for AEW, it'll be an even trade.

[Nash Diesel]

lol.

I'm probably one of the only people who doesn't care one bit if Edge shows up in AEW.

[Mazer]

imagine if every time you saw a movie with Christian Bale they would try to incorporate and continue a story from the Nolan Batman trilogy because of how popular they were?
.

If someone wants to make American Psycho 2, but build it off of Batman.....I'm in.

[Mazer]

On a more serious note (Lance Storm voice), I am legitimately in for an Edge vs. MJF feud.

[Donald]

If someone wants to make American Psycho 2, but build it off of Batman.....I'm in.

I think you mean American Psycho 3, as there is already an American Psycho 2

American Psycho 2 - Wikipedia

[Peter Griffin]

You'll be telling me there's a Bad Santa and National Lampoons Christmas vacation 2 next.

[Donald]

The only thing I remember about Bad Santa 2 was Kathy Bates was in it.

[Nash Diesel]

I think for me with Edge is I was never a big fan to begin with. So I have no real desire to see him work with anyone even in WWE right now. His career feels like it should've ended at Mania with the win over Balor ending the big feud with JD. I just don't see it as anything other than the same old shit with AEW. I can literally envision every interaction that could happen. MJF praises Edge's career while indirectly shitting on his wife, kids, and mentions his neck. We get a throwback to 30 years ago with Christian and the Hardyz. Maybe a decent tag match with FTR.

It's just like...why bring him in? He's 50+, the epitome of Mr. Glass, it's not going to elevate the product or the ratings. And Edge has nothing to prove idc if his best friend is there. Did he go to TNA? That would've been a more understanding jump than now because now it's obvious why he's going there. He thinks he can squeeze a few million out of a mark.

[Mazer]

I think you mean American Psycho 3, as there is already an American Psycho 2

American Psycho 2 - Wikipedia

I ignore thar

[virms]

Kinda crazy that Tony let Cargill go. Maybe with Edge being rumored for AEW, it'll be an even trade.

Cargill is smart. She knows wwe will build her brand to the next level. AEW is a good wrestling alternative but it's no where near on par woth the entertainment side of things and the machine wwe has behind it. Now with the whole tko merger I think possibilities have skyrocketed even more. We will just have to wait and see on that. They've already created a big buzz on her just by her signing when she's still really green and new. She's getting damn near Ronda hype and she's not really done anything in her career to warrant that.

[MTR]

still working my way through Dynamite. You know who has come a long way since joining AEW. Julia Hart. She has improved greatly in the ring. Her character with the House of Black has become one of my favorite parts of the stable. She is only 21. I feel like she could end up being a star in the future. Not sure if they are going to have her go over Statlander on Sunday or not since Statlander is finally getting the push they have been wanting to give her.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I think it's too soon to have her get the gold, and AEW has the problem of sort of pushing people into a title picture position with minimal build and there's a tinge of that. But I think her work over the last couple weeks with Brody King covering for her mic weakness has been working well. Here's hoping if they aren't deciding to pull the trigger, they have her get some solid angles to work with over the next few months.

In general I think AEW has been headed in a better direction story wise. I like that we're getting more singles feuds with important people that's not overprotective and think we're seeing the rest of the card fill out. Collision has helped out a lot with that. Not everything is perfect, and there's still some decisions I disagree with, but overall it feels like the product is starting to iron out some of its booking weaknesses.

[MTR]

I think the TBS title is good for Hart but I would have waited on this because I just don't see them putting her over Statlander and I don't want her to lose momentum. Plus I also just would have waited a while longer before putting gold on her because she is doing fine without it.

[Donald]

We're all that excited that Edge is in AEW, huh?

[Nash Diesel]

We're all that excited that Edge is in AEW, huh?

I wish I was a big fan of Edge but I never really go into him. Some of the stuff he's done was cool don't get me wrong but I was never on the train. So to see him go to AEW at this stage in his career it's just kinda like watching Ric Flair in TNA as opposed to Hulk Hogan coming to WCW. We're not going to see this guy win the World title. I'm hoping he doesn't win the TNT title but you never know.

I would've been more concerned with someone like Seth Rollins coming over than someone who has had the career Edge has had. Nothing he'll do in AEW will trump his WWE career but that's ok. We'll get a handful of quality matches out of him and who even knows what his contract is going to be like. He was on WWE tv less than Roman Reigns so I imagine A-he's getting at least 7 figures and B-the same super light schedule.

[MTR]

At the media scrum or whatever they call it after the show last night Tony and Edge said he is going to be full time.

I am interested to see some of the match ups that we have never seen before for sure. He is still in good shape so lets see what we get.

[Nash Diesel]

After every single WWE match he had some serious injury so let's hope he can hold up with the AEW style. I vote for him to wrestle Fenix.

[MTR]

He will speak this week and then wrestles Luchasaurus the following week. Lets see if he holds up.

[Donald]

I'm sure his dream match would be Copeland/Christian vs. FTR.

Old school vs. not as old school.

[MTR]

I'm sure his dream match would be Copeland/Christian vs. FTR.

Old school vs. not as old school.

Yeah I am sure he would love to do that match.

[Donald]

I had a dream the other night that Tony Khan hired the entire nWo stable, but since that was over 25 years ago, most of them came out with walkers or canes. It was his response to WWE hiring Jade Cargill

[Nash Diesel]

I just feel like it would've been cooler to do something unrelated to Christian. Some fans are using Edge/Christian's relationship as some end all be all excuse as to why he signed with AEW. We know why he signed, any smart person knows it was #1-for the money. Everything else, dream matches, ending his career with a guy he hasn't worked a program with since 2001, feeling like he was "free" and it was like when he was Adam Impact wrestling in front of 10 people in Nova Scotia. All that is just to make the die-hard WWE fans who like him feel at ease as best as he can for them.

It just feels a little too late for "OMG Edge is somewhere other than WWE!" reaction from me. Had he returned to AEW instead of WWE several years ago, maybe. He was gone for so long and the reason behind him being gone didn't exactly make me excited for the long term. I popped when he came back, blew my mind to see him and then to see him win the following year, go on to Mania, who had that on their 2021 bingo card? Maybe had he joined his BFF to TNA 15 years ago that would've been crazy. In no way am I diminishing what this means for AEW. This isn't Shelton Benjamin this is Edge. Take age out of the equation and you have a big name in the wrestling bubble. You have a guy that is WWE through and through with a huge fanbase that will want to see what he's doing in AEW IDGAF what they tell you. They already watching AEW and vice versa.

[mth]

Disappointed he's not Sexton Hardcastle...

[Donald]

At least we have Dalton Castle

[Nash Diesel]

At least we have Dalton Castle

This guy was one of my favorite wrestlers.

[Donald]

This guy was one of my favorite wrestlers.

Did you see him on Celebrity Family Feud? Hysterical. His teammates were David arquette, jungle boy, and some others I can't recall. From a couple years ago now

[virms]

Maybe it's just me but the Jade Cargill signing to WWE seemed to be more buzzworthy and definitely had tons more news stories than Edge coming over. Perhaps it's the wwe machine or perhaps Edge just isn't that big of a name. #christianforever

[Donald]

I think it's because aew has been painted as the place to be, WWE is evil etc etc. So for people to leave aew and come to WWE, its changing that view.

[VHS]

Maybe it's just me but the Jade Cargill signing to WWE seemed to be more buzzworthy and definitely had tons more news stories than Edge coming over. Perhaps it's the wwe machine or perhaps Edge just isn't that big of a name. #christianforever

WWE announced she signed, while AEW kept it mostly quiet. Would explain why.

[Donald]

I mean it's been common knowledge edge was going to aew for months

[virms]

WWE announced she signed, while AEW kept it mostly quiet. Would explain why.

Typically when a big star jumps ship to another brand the wrestling sites and communities have a big day with lots of headlines and discussion. I saw a few articles, basically the same ones on each site. To me there was a lot more excitement when moxley, Christian, byran came over and Edge is definitely the bigger star over everyone minus (maybe) Bryan.

[Morrison]

probably because the mjority of his wwe return stunk.

[Mazer]

Edge has been rumored for quite a long time now. This wasn't a surprise.

But they still kinda tried to make it one.

[Nash Diesel]

I think it's because Edge has already had a career. He's doing a seniors tour at the expense of a billionaire mark. That's why he's already saying the corny Tony Khan scripted nonsense like "I felt free!" and "I felt like when I was in the indies as Adam Impact!" AEW doesn't really know how to market people. They sign people who either have a strong buzz on the underground or already established in WWE and hope for the best. Which you would think with the names they have on the roster it would be getting them more fans but then you realize the household names they have are all old dudes from the Monday Night Wars. The biggest name they have not from that era is Moxley and he's not a household name imo.

We just have to remember, Edge came to AEW and said it felt like when he wrestled in front of 14 people in Scarborough. Jade came to WWE because she had bigger dreams than what AEW can provide.

[Nash Diesel]

A good question popped up on social media: Is Edge the biggest signing? I think it comes down to 4 people: Jericho, Edge, Punk, and Moxley. Anyone else I'd need to hear the argument. For me I would probably say CM Punk. I think the fans longing for his return for so many years and it finally happening was pretty huge. Everyone else we had seen recently some just a month ago in WWE main eventing Smackdown. But I also think we can revisit this question a year from now and maybe Edge is the biggest acquisition depending on what he actually does. Working with Christian doesn't scream awesome to me it screams "Tony is going back to his 2000 eWr e-fed booking again"

[Donald]

Considering edge was talking to aew 3 years ago, it's not really shocking. It would be shocking if Lesnar, Cena, the rock...one of those part timers showed up in AEW.

[Nash Diesel]

It is crazy how WWE basically, imo, greenlit Edge's return just so he wouldn't go to AEW. Which makes you wonder.....What changed? Maybe he wasn't happy that Judgement Day went above and beyond expectations without him involved? Maybe the rumors that Danielson inserted himself into the Mania 37 match because he was on SD creative really did piss Edge off? It felt like he was given so many big wins that simply wanting to end his career with Uncle Jay just seems so fake. Just be real about it Adam impact. That's what sells tickets not reminiscing about the gym Don Callis booked you and Terry Gerin to wrestle back in the day lol.

Because here's the facts about AEW. How many ppvs have they done where we talk about the actual ppv and not something non-wrestling related? Wembley and WrestleDream (with a blatant WrestleMania design ripoff) were overshadowed. WrestleDream was a tough ppv to watch holy shit I fell asleep during Danielson/ZSJ not because that match was boring it was because how boring the entire show was and it took forever.

[Mazer]

Maybe he thought he would get one more run. Maybe WWE knew if the initial comeback was on AEW, it would be a huge deal. Now that he's been back enough for some of the novelty to wear off, WWE puts less of a dollar sign to him.

From all accounts, 3 of his best friends work for AEW (Christian, FTR). Maybe if the money was close, that was a factor. Might have wanted to work with some guys he'd never worked with before, and just try different people in charge. After decades with same company, that wouldn't be crazy.

Could be a small percentage of everything we both listed.

[Psycho666Soldier]

It is crazy how WWE basically, imo, greenlit Edge's return just so he wouldn't go to AEW. Which makes you wonder.....What changed? Maybe he wasn't happy that Judgement Day went above and beyond expectations without him involved? Maybe the rumors that Danielson inserted himself into the Mania 37 match because he was on SD creative really did piss Edge off? It felt like he was given so many big wins that simply wanting to end his career with Uncle Jay just seems so fake. Just be real about it Adam impact. That's what sells tickets not reminiscing about the gym Don Callis booked you and Terry Gerin to wrestle back in the day lol.

Because here's the facts about AEW. How many ppvs have they done where we talk about the actual ppv and not something non-wrestling related? Wembley and WrestleDream (with a blatant WrestleMania design ripoff) were overshadowed. WrestleDream was a tough ppv to watch holy shit I fell asleep during Danielson/ZSJ not because that match was boring it was because how boring the entire show was and it took forever.

I actually thought WrestleDream was a killer show tbh. Most of the matches delivered, we got Swerve getting a meaningful victory after a solid feud with Hangman, Bryan/ZSJ and Eddie/Shibata killing it, Julia getting a spotlight match without hotshotting her into the title(hopefully with some patient but relevant follow-up), the TNT Title main eventing after some good rehabbing from Christian, and then capped it off with Edge showing up. Even if you don't care about Edge(I'm kinda mixed on what exactly he'll bring to the table myself), the show was not only really good bell to bell, but has showcased a lot of talent in matches that were built and mattered beyond just being wrestlers the crowd likes put against other wrestlers the crowd likes just for the sake of it.

Also, I'm pretty sure the thing that changes with Edge is that he's done most of what he can really do in WWE at this point short of another world title reign. I'm sure the money plays a big factor, but it's a new environment with a host of wrestlers he's never interacted with, and regardless of how much greed or ego might play into it, I don't think it's like Edge didn't have other reasons for the move.

[Nash Diesel]

Maybe he thought he would get one more run. Maybe WWE knew if the initial comeback was on AEW, it would be a huge deal. Now that he's been back enough for some of the novelty to wear off, WWE puts less of a dollar sign to him.

From all accounts, 3 of his best friends work for AEW (Christian, FTR). Maybe if the money was close, that was a factor. Might have wanted to work with some guys he'd never worked with before, and just try different people in charge. After decades with same company, that wouldn't be crazy.

Could be a small percentage of everything we both listed.

I just think that if you were going to make that move why wait 3 years? You knew what you were getting yourself into going back to the WWE and I'll buy that there were people in WWE he probably wanted to mix it up with i.e. Styles, Balor, Roman, Seth, etc. But let's just call it like it is. Cool, his best friend he hasn't worked with in over 22 years is in AEW. Cool, FTR is there. But again, why do the typical "I feel free/I'm indi-riffic too guys!" type bs? Just say it. We all knew when he posted that corny ass video on his porch he was going to AEW. Now he's a robot mark too it's sad.

I actually thought WrestleDream was a killer show tbh. Most of the matches delivered, we got Swerve getting a meaningful victory after a solid feud with Hangman, Bryan/ZSJ and Eddie/Shibata killing it, Julia getting a spotlight match without hotshotting her into the title(hopefully with some patient but relevant follow-up), the TNT Title main eventing after some good rehabbing from Christian, and then capped it off with Edge showing up. Even if you don't care about Edge(I'm kinda mixed on what exactly he'll bring to the table myself), the show was not only really good bell to bell, but has showcased a lot of talent in matches that were built and mattered beyond just being wrestlers the crowd likes put against other wrestlers the crowd likes just for the sake of it.

Also, I'm pretty sure the thing that changes with Edge is that he's done most of what he can really do in WWE at this point short of another world title reign. I'm sure the money plays a big factor, but it's a new environment with a host of wrestlers he's never interacted with, and regardless of how much greed or ego might play into it, I don't think it's like Edge didn't have other reasons for the move.

I'm not saying Edge didn't have other reasons I'm saying why be a mark about it? Why do the whole "I felt free!" like wtf does that even mean? You came back from the grave and main evented WM, won the Rumble to get there. Just say you came here for the money. Dude was gone for like 10 years practically everyone in the business today hasn't wrestled Edge.

I wasn't impressed with the ppv. I can't really tell the difference between AEW ppvs and their weekly shows. I mean what was the point of MJF v. the Wyatt Wannabes? Why is your World championship not being defended? Quality should matter. Where was Saraya? Why were there only 3 women booked on this show and one was Renae Moxley?

I think my least favorite part of the entire show and this hurts to say because I've always been a fan of Christian even during this weird cheap heat run he's having in the lower card....but they have Inoki's family out there because remember, this was a tribute to Inoki, and then they show Christian there watching with a smirk like wow....That's how you honor Antonio Inoki is with some Russo TNA 2002 shit? Not to mention the one guy on the entire card who had any real affiliation with Inoki was on the fuckin prelims against a guy who couldn't even beat Eddie Kingston.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I just think that if you were going to make that move why wait 3 years? You knew what you were getting yourself into going back to the WWE and I'll buy that there were people in WWE he probably wanted to mix it up with i.e. Styles, Balor, Roman, Seth, etc. But let's just call it like it is. Cool, his best friend he hasn't worked with in over 22 years is in AEW. Cool, FTR is there. But again, why do the typical "I feel free/I'm indi-riffic too guys!" type bs? Just say it. We all knew when he posted that corny ass video on his porch he was going to AEW. Now he's a robot mark too it's sad.



I'm not saying Edge didn't have other reasons I'm saying why be a mark about it? Why do the whole "I felt free!" like wtf does that even mean? You came back from the grave and main evented WM, won the Rumble to get there. Just say you came here for the money. Dude was gone for like 10 years practically everyone in the business today hasn't wrestled Edge.

I wasn't impressed with the ppv. I can't really tell the difference between AEW ppvs and their weekly shows. I mean what was the point of MJF v. the Wyatt Wannabes? Why is your World championship not being defended? Quality should matter. Where was Saraya? Why were there only 3 women booked on this show and one was Renae Moxley?

I think my least favorite part of the entire show and this hurts to say because I've always been a fan of Christian even during this weird cheap heat run he's having in the lower card....but they have Inoki's family out there because remember, this was a tribute to Inoki, and then they show Christian there watching with a smirk like wow....That's how you honor Antonio Inoki is with some Russo TNA 2002 shit? Not to mention the one guy on the entire card who had any real affiliation with Inoki was on the fuckin prelims against a guy who couldn't even beat Eddie Kingston.

I mean, that's fair, but I also don't expect Edge, in a semi-kayfabe interview, is just gonna be like, "I came for the money." Unless he's going heel that seems like a quick way to kind of shit on any Goodwill you have.

I'll agree the Inoki honoring part felt more like a pretty bow on what was otherwise a decidedly AEW PPV. But I also don't think every single championship needs to be on every PPV, especially if they defended them recently at a big show(like is the case with both Saraya and MJF). Why not highlight the TBS champion instead and get Max on the card for the ROH titles?

Swerve/Hangman, FTR/Aussie Open, Christian/Darby, Danielson/ZSJ, and Statlander/Hart were all well built matches with real stakes, regardless of personal taste for any of them(I'm still kind of eh on Aussie Open, but the spot was earned). Kingston/Shibata didn't have a lot of time to build, but has some natural build in how they've interacted over the last couple months, is a match most fans will be excited for, and at least carried the spirit of classic puro wrestling. I could see an argument for the Callis/GoldJerElite and Starks/Yuta matches being filler, but they were both good matches and the latter served the purpose of getting Starks a PPV win after losing to Danielson. And I'm not really thrilled about the Bucks winning, but at least the four-way match wasn't something just completely thrown together at the last minute.

In that sense, I don't think there's much wrong with giving a new team that's getting some momentum a spot against MJF. And you say "quality should matter," but I don't see how this is devoid of quality? The majority of the card had stakes and had build, something that has been a problem with AEW PPVs for a while. I mean, if it's not for you because you don't personally care about who was involved or the storylines focused on, fair enough. But this is a rare example where I don't think lacking a world title match or the women's title ruins the star power or the focus of this show.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't expect to convince you that this was a great show nor do I want to because different opinions make the world go round. But for me, as far as delivering on match quality, building and playing out stories with stakes, and overall good booking decisions, this has been one of the best in a while to nail all of them pretty evenly.

[virms]

I do think a part of edge leaving is he is getting 100% creative freedom. While you would think he had that in wwe, he didn't. Things he wanted to do in JD he wasn't Lloyd to do, he tried to bring gangrel in when he s doing his brood thing and wasn't allowed to do that. Also, pretty sure I remember his return match woth Orton they weren't allowed to do some spots that wanted. Combine that woth the money, working with Jey again and a chance to stretch his legs with new opponents, I can see why he decided to try aew. Edge probably thought he was in taker, Austin, rock and cena level status with wwe and realized after the last run he wasn't. So aew just seems like the logical choice.

[Donald]

Damn you Lloyd

[mth]

Been watching some AEW clips lately and holy shit, Toni Storm is the best thing going right now.

[Peter Griffin]

She is great, Coming out to God save the king at Wembley

Talking of I've seen this stuff about 85,000 tickets distributed altogether, something like 83 paid but 73 through the gates, who the fuck are these 10k people buying tickets and not going? Or am I missing something (good chance)

[Badger]

She is great, Coming out to God save the king at Wembley

Talking of I've seen this stuff about 85,000 tickets distributed altogether, something like 83 paid but 73 through the gates, who the fuck are these 10k people buying tickets and not going? Or am I missing something (good chance)

Co-signed!

That was immense!

[Morrison]

She is great, Coming out to God save the king at Wembley

Talking of I've seen this stuff about 85,000 tickets distributed altogether, something like 83 paid but 73 through the gates, who the fuck are these 10k people buying tickets and not going? Or am I missing something (good chance)

likely wholesale ticket purchases, resellers or scalpers. tickets were bought but never made it to a customer that actually wanted to go to the event, for whatever reason, like a scalper asking too high a price or group packages not being bought up and then not being broken back down into individual tickets in time, etc.

[Peter Griffin]

Ahhhh OK, I mean scalpers deserve everything they get but it's still a damn shame.

[Romford Pele]

A good question popped up on social media: Is Edge the biggest signing? I think it comes down to 4 people: Jericho, Edge, Punk, and Moxley. Anyone else I'd need to hear the argument. For me I would probably say CM Punk. I think the fans longing for his return for so many years and it finally happening was pretty huge. Everyone else we had seen recently some just a month ago in WWE main eventing Smackdown. But I also think we can revisit this question a year from now and maybe Edge is the biggest acquisition depending on what he actually does. Working with Christian doesn't scream awesome to me it screams "Tony is going back to his 2000 eWr e-fed booking again"

Bryan? Should be in that conversation.

It is a good call on Punk as he was probably the most over with the AEW fanbase and it is also a big Mid-West stronghold. I would probably have Edge as No.2. Was probably the 2nd biggest star after Cena for a few years in WWE.

[Murphy]

I say Punk was the biggest, all considered. Edge may well be 2.

Arguments could be made for any of the others as number 2 though, I'd say.

[Donald]

Bryan? Should be in that conversation.

It is a good call on Punk as he was probably the most over with the AEW fanbase and it is also a big Mid-West stronghold. I would probably have Edge as No.2. Was probably the 2nd biggest star after Cena for a few years in WWE.

Nah, I'd say Edge was 4 or 5, behind Triple H, Randy Orton, Undertaker.

Edge is a big fish in a small pond in AEW. Let's hope he can better the other talent.

[Murphy]

Edge is a big fish in a small pond in AEW. Let's hope he can better the other talent.

RVD was a big fish in a small pond in ECW. AEW ain't that small of a pond.

I used RVD as en example, in that he'd outgrown ECW long before he left, not that he was some sort of megastar.

I'm intrigued by what Copeland brings to AEW. My interest has been waning for some time with the company, so this has peaked my interest, somewhat.

Haven't seen Dynamite yet, will watch tonight.

[Nash Diesel]

RVD was a big fish in a small pond in ECW. AEW ain't that small of a pond.

I used RVD as en example, in that he'd outgrown ECW long before he left, not that he was some sort of megastar.

I'm intrigued by what Copeland brings to AEW. My interest has been waning for some time with the company, so this has peaked my interest, somewhat.

Haven't seen Dynamite yet, will watch tonight.

AEW is a small pond compared to where Edge has been not just the last 3 years but 99% of his career. AEW isn't a regional territory obviously but nothing they've done is going to make me go "Yeah Edge is now somewhere on par with the WWE" They're a small competitor like Faygo v. Pepsi.

The RVD comparison makes no sense. Now had you used someone like Terry Funk as an example that would've made way more sense as he was this top guy for 20+ years and then decides to go to ECW for a few. Funk was a big fish in a small pond.

[Donald]

Wrong thread

[Nash Diesel]

Ricky Starks and Big Bill defeat FTR for the tag-team titles.

Other than FTR's battles with The Briscoes I fail to see what the fuck they were thinking leaving WWE.

[Murphy]

AEW is a small pond compared to where Edge has been not just the last 3 years but 99% of his career. AEW isn't a regional territory obviously but nothing they've done is going to make me go "Yeah Edge is now somewhere on par with the WWE" They're a small competitor like Faygo v. Pepsi.

The RVD comparison makes no sense. Now had you used someone like Terry Funk as an example that would've made way more sense as he was this top guy for 20+ years and then decides to go to ECW for a few. Funk was a big fish in a small pond.

Smaller than WWE, sure. That's obvious. And yes, Funk is a better comparison. Age too.

Ricky Starks and Big Bill defeat FTR for the tag-team titles.

Other than FTR's battles with The Briscoes I fail to see what the fuck they were thinking leaving WWE.

Attendance looked rough for AEW Collision on Saturday. That show is struggling, hard. But seeing as it was seemingly only created because of Punk, I have no sympathy.

As to FTR, WWE weren't doing much with them on the main roster, so I can see why they left. In AEW/ROH, the use of them has been inconsistent, but they have had a fair few stellar outings and working all over in different companies clearly appealed to them. That said, I'd like to see them have a decent last run in WWE.

[Mazer]

Ricky Starks and Big Bill defeat FTR for the tag-team titles.

Other than FTR's battles with The Briscoes I fail to see what the fuck they were thinking leaving WWE.

FTR worked a lot of bad comedy on the main roster. Even if AEW has room to better by them, this is one where I don't question why they might want to leave. I don't see them as having a big WWE run in the Bloodline era.

[MTR]

Ricky Starks and Big Bill defeat FTR for the tag-team titles.

Other than FTR's battles with The Briscoes I fail to see what the fuck they were thinking leaving WWE.

They have had some great matches since leaving the WWE. They have had runs with the tag titles twice. They were the IWGP and AAA tag champs. Yes were booked badly during part of the belt collecting run they did but overall they have been way better off in AEW than in WWE where injuries kind of hampered them a little bit and then got stuck in bad comedy shit. They had hype moving up from NXT to main roster and then yeah beyond the stint with Orton they were not taken seriously.

I hate that they got squashed after great match with Bullet Club and what not during this reign but sounds like there was an injury involved.

[Donald]

Are FTR unde rlong term contracts? Would be cool to see them redebut in WWE alongside Punk, if of course the rumors are true.

[Nash Diesel]

When isn't there an injury involved with FTR?