I made condescending jokes about All Out pre-show.Originally Posted by Nash Diesel
So hopefully that helped.
I made condescending jokes about All Out pre-show.
So hopefully that helped.
I might need a source for it later. I actually do want to see Bryan/Starks
I heard @Badger saw the owner of AEW going down an escalator at Wembly. Badger told me it was Khan descending.
I'm sure Zoey would win.
My tony khan puns missed you in joke thread.
From what he said on the scrum, he likes the idea because All In coincided with a UK holiday and All Out he sees as sort of a Labor Day weekend event, and that he has enough faith in his roster for it to work.
He wants to continue doing it that way, which I think is still ultimately a mistake. But to his credit, it worked this time.
Miro/Hobbs is worth it for the chants in the least.
The real answer: He doesn't have to worry about making money to pay his talent and other employees because he is a billionaire. A real one.
Someone said this guy was all about eWr or e-feds like that and I can totally see it. I loved eWr back in 2001-2002. Very fun simulation.
Very similar to TNA. Only the Carters weren't Khan rich so when they realized the 15-20 ppvs they were doing a year (12+those weird gimmick ppvs) were only getting like 10-15,000 buys they basically told Dixie and co. "no more" and Impacts became special edition shows. Tony doesn't have to worry about that so having 2 shows on ppv back to back doesn't seem too out of whack. I'm thinking in hindsight he probably made enough money between the 2 shows that it doesn't really matter.
If all the things to worry about with AEW, money is not it. Seriously, they have had one of the largest gates in sports history and people think they are going bankrupt, because of Punk or Collision having a small audience the week college football starts or a number of other reasons. AEW is more financially stable than TNA has ever been. I would argue once the WWE takeover happens this week or next, its just another asset in a giant company. Sometimes after a while people get bored with those things and move them or lose them. I don't see that happening with WWE, because they are still a cash cow even though they are losing Fox money all over the place.
Danielson and Starks and Hobbs and Miro ruled. Takeshita and Kenny was great too.
Haven't seen the last 2 matches yet.
Missed Collision last week also. Is Danielson out of the BCC now and a face? Has that been explained at all yet?
Never would’ve thought a month or two ago I’d be saying Roddy Strong’s character work would be the best part of Dynamite. But it really is, he plays the whiny ex so perfectly.
“ADAAAAMMM!!!!”
The sit down with the nerdy glasses, neck brace dissing his parents attempting to gain sympathy. He’s found the perfect character.
Bryan said they ride the line when needed, and that he was only really seen as a good guy because he was defending Steamboat, someone who he respects and idolizes to the highest degree both IRL and in-character. So it's not a split from the BCC nor is it necessarily a face turn as much as Bryan doing what Bryan would have done regardless of alignment.
I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say this company would be going bankrupt. I've heard the ratings will tank. They lost 100,000 viewers when TK announced the firing of CM Punk. Literally turned the fuckin show off for one dude.
AEW is more financially stable than TNA which I pointed out. The Carters are rich but not Khan rich. Khans own the Jaguars, who have sucked the majority of the time they've owned the team so that right there tells me it's not about being the best, it's not about anything other than being able to say "I own this" Which is typical of rich folk, I'd be the same way.
I don't like Swerve's crew at all but I like where's coming from telling Page that Page don't seem like he wants that spot. Swerve is lacking something and I don't know what. Maybe it's simply a matter of the 2 main companies I've seen him in he was never really given much to work with and it was usually in the midcard. So I'd like to see him get a top shelf push but IDK if he will truly get it.
I love Prince Nana... Nana stays
That dude is the epitome of "I know someone that's how I have a job"
A master bumper though. He even bumped for toilet roll.
He's no Tamina.
I'll always have love for Prince Nana. I feel like The Embassy has consistently been one of the more underhwleming stables in ROH history, with one of its best runs mostly being a vessel to make Ciampa a star(No disrespect to Jimmy Rave). But Nana just has this certain air about him that always amuses me.
Here's hoping Swerve and Mogul Embassy can make something more meaningful with a Hangman feud. I've always liked Swerve, but I agree with Nash that his output wasn't fully hitting, and I think a part of that has been booking. This has potential, and is probably one of the better spots to use Hangman. Put him in personal feuds with other wrestlers who aren't quite title ready but have nothing better to do.
That's the thing....He's never really had anything special. Even with Ciampa, IMO Ciampa blew up more when he was with Truth Martini. Not taking anything away from his run with Nana but it just felt like when someone is paired up with Robbie E in NXT. It almost feels like he's just there because he's cool with people and maybe they want to break the record for longest running stable. Plus, these mashed up stables have been really, really bad. Inner Circle/Pinnacle, whatever that Matt Hardy/Andrade stable was called, now this. Stables on top of stables on top of stables.
I blame the nWo. You had the big group, and then within that group was the OG Wolfpac-Nash, Hall, Syxx.
How much money are they losing Fox?
I've seen this on the dirtsheets and not sure that it makes sense.
In fairness, you also loved the JOB squad, the BWO, and possibly even the Oddities
Classic.
It's not a lie, if he believes it.
So Ace Steel fired again it seems. Why? He wasn't even there this time.
Apparently he was only re-hired as a condition on Punk’s return. Though he had nothing to do with this incident, now that Punk’s gone they’ve got rid of him too so looks like a casualty or something like that.
Just seems shitty to get rid of him just because they got rid of Punk.
You think Kenny and the Bucks are gonna let him slide after what he supposedly did?
They are not over hiring for the company last I checked. I know they are EVP's but they have various responsiblities and Khan is the the one that brought him back.
I mean yes he did bite Omega but come on they were not blameless in that whole situation. He already lost his job over it so he loses it again for the same thing? Shitty.
considering they didn't want him back in the first place, i don't find it that big of a deal. punk likely strong-armed them into bringing him back in some capacity, and after getting dismissed with cause, they've got no reason to maintain that.
So again being fired twice for the same thing when he didn't do anything. He is already sitting at home. Just let whatever time on his contract is ride out and don't renew it.
he was fired once for some shit he definitely did do and shouldn't have been brought back. just because they let punk weasel him back into some role in the company doesn't mean they need to do right by punk or steel, especially after punk is terminated for apparently making the owner of the company feel unsafe.
Well you can argue that he shouldn't have been brought back but he was brought back and basically fired twice for the same thing. He was already punished so not cool to punish again.
All the people involved in all of this mess seem to be acting like children and Khan needs control of his company.
MJF vs. Samoa Joe seems a breath of fresh air, though I could do without the Samoa Dough jokes. Or calling him Joseph.
he was fired for biting omega and then let go because the person he was brought back for was no longer employed. conditional employment. whether that was part of the agreement we likely will never know, but i've really got no space in me to give a shit if ace steel hasn't been treated nicely.
Joseph has a thick skin and is likely fine with it. Only Samoa knows.
PG Punk was the worst though.
The Elite are the dorks who grew up to be cops.
They’re all dorks. EVPs, Jungle Boy, Punk and Khan who can’t control it. Punk may have been provoked in some ways here but he and Steel appear to have escalated and Khan is way out of his depth and has lost control or did he have control letting the inmates run the Asylum. They’re all grown men acting like high school dorks.
@Mazer you know who needs to sort these dorks out and take everything away from them so they can redeem? Mike India Romeo Oscar… what does it spell *cheerleader pom poms* MIRO!
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Miro once negotiated peace between the Philistines and Israelites.
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Ace has apparently reacted to the firing on Instagram: “Ain’t that the fuckin truth Lol!” caption to another post that said “Mishandling people, then avoiding communication, is not protecting your peace; it’s avoiding accountability.”
Biting back apparently.
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Cardblade definitely has a career on commentary. Kevin Patrick take notes.
He needs to debut in the ring soon too and get the pin. Add some dimension to his character.
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We live in a world now where even the weakest of the weak think they can just say whatever they want. With zero consequence. Look at how some kids be treating their parents, teachers, etc. Look at how grown adults act on live tv and then when confronted "oh CM Punk has thin skin he should've just walked away" So basically what that is telling your kids, your friends, is that it's ok to be a piece of shit as long as you don't go hands on.
Here's my question...Is this dude even Christian? lol. And I can't tell if this shit is supposed to be serious. It just comes across so corny it's absolutely the worst gimmick in AEW. Next to Hangman Page which is apparently "I used to go to the mall and spend my mom's entire paycheck at RCC"
Miro is a goof.
I hate this gimmick for Miro. Just be a bad ass already. Like I don't get why he has stuck with this for so long at this point.
I feel like everything he's done in AEW has been half foot in comedy, half foot in seriousness and it doesn't work at all for him. You have him and Hobbs with the crowd chanting Meat just making a joke out of the whole thing. The comedy in AEW is so poorly done it's not even worth excusing. We're probably on the verge of seeing a rehash of Rusev/Lana/Lashley because 90% of AEW storylines are continuations and/or callbacks to other promotions storylines. This multiverse shit is getting way out of hand.
I just want to see Miro go back to a time where it wasn't about cheap pops. Pre-Rusev Day. I'm sure he's a funny dude but it's like with Mick Foley. You kind of have to get to a certain level to be both killer AND comedian. Miro isn't there yet and probably never will be. He's definitely a guy who I feel like shouldn't have been released by the WWE as that was a better fit for him. He's just kind of in the same spot he was, nothing more nothing less.
Miro's current schtick has been great. His whole fuck God, everybody and everything attitude has made him even more menacing. Plus he just beat P-P-P-Powerhouse... that alone is bad ass. He's on an upward trajectory, happy to see it.
Yeah no this schtick has not been great. He has just kind of been out there in no where land since losing the TNT title.
Well yeah because they're both at the bottom so the only place to go is up. The resume Miro has...beating Hobbs, a transitional TNT champion, was nothing special. Which is sad because Ice Train Jr might've had some potential but it's gone now.Miro's current schtick has been great. His whole fuck God, everybody and everything attitude has made him even more menacing. Plus he just beat P-P-P-Powerhouse... that alone is bad ass. He's on an upward trajectory, happy to see it.
PPPPlease don't do that again.
Eh. I like it.
P-P-P-P-Powerhouse Powerhouse Powerhouse and Miro both looked strong coming out of All Out, and I hope they keep the feud going. Where CJ falls into it though... that's a tossup.
But neither have looked strong in a long time prior to that imo. That's the problem. Hobbs lost all his momentum. Very similar to Wardlow. Right now we should be seeing Wardlow, Miro, and Hobbs in much higher positions. Miro wasn't even hurt and I'll be honest, Wardlow needs to be one of those guys Tony just lets his contract run out and he can go to WWE. He's not getting any younger and now that Strowman isn't there doing the ECW Sid gimmick, Wardlow can pick up where he left off. How does a guy go from squashing the World champion to being a forgotten cast member?
Miro v. Hobbs v. Wardlow for all you weirdos chanting Meat. I thought you were all fans of the Mortal Kombat character, or maybe you wanted Dr Shawn Stasiak to come out of retirement?
Correct.
Not anymore.
He's been gaining it back since Collision started mid-June.
Agreed.
Don't be afraid of the Meat, darling.
IDK. I just looked up his win/loss record over the last several months and he's beat absolutely nobody of worth. Most of the people I've never even heard of. His biggest wins were against Old Man Dustin and Shawn "How did I convince Peyton Royce to marry me AND birth children with me??" Spears. This has always been a problem with AEW. They have no clue how to book guys that are bigger than the Jericho's and Omega's. I'm shocked Moxley is where he is but he's also one of the best they have so it's pointless to argue his size. Even his push over the last year or so has been very questionable with this jobber stable he's in.
The collateral damage to Hobbs is nowhere near what was done to Wardlow. Yes Hobbs lost to Miro and tbh probably should’ve been nowhere near QTV but what’s happened to Wardlow is far worse. Potentially one of the biggest feuds in the company’s history with great backstory and Wardlow still looks like complete shit despite the symphony on MJF.
Then they hot-potatoed the TNT title with him when he should be at the top right now. Hobbs booking hasn’t been stellar but after a banger at All Out and got some heat back post-match. Definitely recoverable whereas Wardlow right now left in the dust.
Miro’s character isn’t really that bad. He wants his own success and rejecting even his own wife and letting go of all things holding him down even a nod to his WWE life. I’m fine with the character. It’ll be interesting how much she tries to get in his good books.
Yeah, Hobbs was needlessly tossed around like unwanted groceries... Wardlow though? He hasn't been on TV since Collision debuted. Hobbs, they're building him into something... Wardlow for now has been dropped completely, and as for why is beyond me.
Miro's current stance is fuck everything prior, I'm running through it all myself. Sprinkling on some of the religious stuff is totally fine.
He's reformed 7th day orthodox calvinist church of England
AEW has tried to build itself as a place where wins and losses matter. And I think they did in Early AEW.
Now they mean nothing more than any other organization. I would be in favor of a legit AEW show split. But they face the same problem as every other organization. It's way too easy to just have it be one more show that features the same top people, who make you the most money.
I've said this before, but Tony Khan has to diversify. He can't manage all these storylines, the business itself, and continue to evolve the product. The last year has been very stagnant. Right now, he's Vince with less yelling and fucking subordinates. TAEW needs a real writers room and an actual Head of Creative. Maybe BD can help there. I'm always a litlle leery because the best wrestlers are not always the best bookers. But I think he has the respect where TK wouldn't just step in.
If Danielson is winding down, I wouldn’t say no to him having a shot at creative.
PS if Miro and Hager formed a team, their catchphrase would be “We the Steeple”
I see Danielson taking his money and calling it a day. He loves wrestling, but if he's really about what he says he's about then he's made more than enough money. His wife makes a shit ton of money or at least has to have some money still right? Fuck creative, fuck part time status, problem is I don't see him walking away. I feel like 10 years from now we will be like "Remember when dude had to retire twice back in the day??"
Miro's Christianity gimmick is corny let's just stop pretending lol. His accent makes it even more comical it's like a shitty Adam Sandler bit from the mid 90's. "The night time is the right time"
Saw a couple minutes of Dynamite on one of the TVs at the pizza place we went to tonight. Of course it was Jon Moxley bleeding.
Yeah, it's not a good look, is it? Back in the day, Michaels and HHH would bleed every PPV, that was bad enough.
Did I see that right on Collision on Saturday that they spoiled their own main event, by having a graphic up that Samoa Joe was already in the final of the title tournament, before facing off with Penta in the semi final?
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Bleeding = Bad Ass. Jon Moxley is one bad ass.
Why does Moxley feel the need, first off, but also why does TK stand for it? Guessing because he's a weak little mark.
Stating the obvious, but loses all impact by bleeding all the time.
It wouldn't be so bad if the camera didn't catch him blading almost every time.
Jade going to WWE is smart. I'm also hearing it's possibly NWA's Kamille Brickhouse might be going to WWE as well. These are 2 women who never really lost and their skills haven't really evolved due to the environment. Not really a knock on AEW or NWA as I'm sure they have great places for wrestlers to train. I just think with someone like Jade she's never going to get in the real women's title mix so why stick around? Go to WWE, reach that next level!
I would like to see Kamille in the WWE now that she dropped the title in NWA. She pretty much went through everyone there plus some like Taya and Purizzo(spelling?). She will need some work but she has talent.
Jim Ross during the main event of Collision saying it had been a long time since Joe had been pinned. It was literally less than 2 weeks before at 'the biggest wrestling event ever'.
A lot of these wrestlers have shitty habits that need to be broken when working for a company like WWE. It's not go out and do whatever for 30-40 minutes in front of 10 people time.
I'd love to see Jade in WWE.
Hey. Hold on.
You best not be disparaging the 'What the Hell Happened to Me" album. the talking goat has stayed with me for years.
I honestly think Jade has all the talent and charisma to go next level. I feel like she did get better, and the AEW fandom still never really embraced her. Get her in NXT. Hot shot her into some big feuds. Have her fight Tiff eventually. If she develops further, you're money.
Have you ever thought about growing corn and being a maizer
Big fat yes to all of this.
I've thought about being cheap and becoming a miser.
And speaking of not capitalizing on things. Kris Statlander should have had a sustained push if you were going to have her be the person to knock off Jade.
That album united more black and white kids in my neighborhood than any other. I'm saying Miro's is a SHITTY version of that.
2-3 serious injuries in a row fucked her progression. Unintentionally booked as the Penny of the Best Friends crew and maybe all of AEW. Only we haven't really seen any personality. JR practically buried her the first 5-6 months she was around completely unaware of the gimmick. Her finisher could use some work. She's definitely someone who I think was in the plans to dethrone Jade for awhile even when she was hurt.
Jade going to WWE… it must happen. She’ll get the training she needs and she’ll be god level untouchable. GO GO GOOOO
Why doesn't AEW have a performance center to train their talent?
Because realistically the only 2 companies in the entire world that are about growing talent that way are WWE and New Japan. I could be wrong. New Japan doesn't really have developmental though like NXT or OVW per se. So WWE is really ahead of the game and have been for 25+ years.
AEW is like many promotions out there. There's either a wrestling school affiliated with the promotion or they have a main training school they use which in AEW's case is the Nightmare Factory that Dustin Rhodes operates. Problem is, who the fuck has came out of there? Brock Anderson? Wow.
Jade to WWE is a big yes from me.
Jon Moxley’s revealed he’s been diagnosed with arthritis.
Guy pushes himself too hard. He really needs to go very soon.
To be fair he said it's rough in the morning for him but by the time it's bell time in the evenings he's good to go. I can relate, minus the bell time stuff because I don't do that
I know we make our bleeding jokes/memes at times but honestly beneath that, I’ve always had an underlying concern the guy is running himself ragged with his schedule. A workhorse no doubt but maybe too passionate for his own good. I can get why he left WWE if he felt restricted but at the same time, restricted may be good for him.
If he has this going on, it may be time (and maybe has) to seriously call it a day soon. It would be a huge loss but personally would rather see him retire healthy and be proud of his accomplishments.
He could also be making it up to make himself sound tougher. Hey I have arthritis but I still go out every night go me. We will need to see a doctor's note.
Although you’re not in the working working almost 24/7/365 bleeding nearly every time. The news says he has the arthritis of a 70 year old man.
Unless you have joined a wrestling school and have developed a gimmick called the PUNisher…then I withdraw.
I honestly thought he has the capability of working good matches without having to go full tilt blood, sweat and tears every time while telling a good story. But think it’s just his mindset.
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If Adam Sandler and Dwayne Johnson ever joined forces, they could bring harmony to this country.
Unfortunately, the Powers that Be will never let that happen.
On Statlander, even before injuries, it seems like she'll have a moment and then there's no immediate direction afterwards.
If there’s a Rocky Madison crossover where he’s giving Rock Bottoms to imaginary penguins then I’d be all for it.
Although that may not even come close to a rational response. Everyone is probably dumber for having read that response. I award myself no points and may Miro have mercy on my soul.
Jade Cargill going to WWE seemed to be inevitable. She tried out once before it didn't work out for whatever reason. Got a little bit of exposure in the wrestling world working for AEW. I always felt like they needed to shit or get off the pot with her. No real feuds of worth, no big matches. IDK why we never saw anything of substance with her in the women's title division. Maybe it was just timing.
Either way idk if it's truly a loss for AEW because again, what was she really doing other than winning? Even when she did have a storyline like the one with Nyla Rose it wasn't really featured, kind of took a 4th-5th spot behind the other women feuding which was odd considering Jade's this dominant champion...why wouldn't she be in the mix with the likes of Britt Baker? Or at least given that much time on tv.
Questioning whether Jade leaving is a loss or not for AEW is flabbergasting. Of course it's a loss for them.
I could watch AEW programming this week and it wouldn't stand out to me that she isn't there, but that's just me
it's really not. it could be, based off her potential, but she never really came together in AEW as a full package.
I'm curious why you think so. Personally I don't think it's that big of a loss. And I went into detail as to why.
Based off her potential, as you said, it is a loss. Considering now that her potential will be harnessed in WWE, it will be AEW's loss.
See above.
I can see that if AEW had the ability to unlock that potential but since they never figured out what to really do with her for 3 years I don't think they cared. If they did, they would've tried harder I think. That's not really a knock on them. TK flat out said he likes to take people who have a following and put them on a bigger stage if possible. How many original concepts have we seen in AEW? What wrestler can you go "AEW created everything about them"? Next part isn't related to anything you're saying just wanted to be clear.
I think this is more about the brand. WWE transcended pro wrestling 35 years ago no one will ever be the next WWE or even a real competitor. Nobody in the real world cares if Edge shows up tonight or if Jade leaves AEW for WWE. Most people didn't even know Cody Rhodes had been wrestling this whole time.
I think with Jade is her having her be too dominant in that division in the midcard TBS women’s division though stats seem impressive, still seemed way too big for her. Also in general, the size and experience in that division, they didn’t know what to do with her. She’s made improvements but at the same time on a spectacle level, there’s been very few who look like they can match up with her.
I think Nyla was their best shot and that was interesting for a while. Kris…still took advantage to win the title off her but still meh. Moving to WWE with far more experienced hands, strong freaks like Rhea, Bianca (dare I say Nia) and Charlotte can only benefit her more than being in AEW can.
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