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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    When did he betray Moxley? He helped Omega beat Moxley but that was not a betrayal. He just helped Moxley win after being on commentary due to Omega's request.

    Either way that match was wild. That v-trigger. Wow.

    And I was shocked by the turn because I honestly was waiting on Omega to turn on the Elite due to Callis pushing him that way. Maybe this will be the reason behind the turn. Omega was brushing Callis off at times while Callis was trying to get him to focus on himself and not worry about the Bucks and the trios titles anymore after they lost them. I can see that. We shall see how they explain it.
    Okay betrayed was the wrong word. I meant costing one in different matches against the others. It’s almost a mirror image.

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Donald again.

    You know I love you @Donald

    I'm behind on AEW, but will catch up later.

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    Sounds like this Wembley deal is gonna have a Wrestlemania Weekend kinda feel. Rev Pro is running the Copper Box that weekend.

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    This new Collision show, if it's airing on Saturday evenings, will have to compete with WWE PLEs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Still haven't got tickets for All In.

    Concerned its going to finish really late and I'm relying on public transport. And my lad isn't great with big crowds. He'd be ok in the stadium, it's the train afterwards. No chance of a hotel at this stage, I'd say.

    Plus, my lad isn't even bothered, it's all about me.
    Havenít looked at a hotel yet. Probably should have done it by now but just wanted to get the ticket.

    Hopefully get one close to the airport, I believe Heathrow is the closest one to Wembley so I can roll out of bed lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    This new Collision show, if it's airing on Saturday evenings, will have to compete with WWE PLEs.
    As well as every other combat sport including the UFC. The UFC took over the "ppv" market 10 years ago from the wrestling world. Upside is the WWE only does at least one PLE a month. Some of the NXT stuff has been on Sundays.

    I'm 50/50 about Saturday shows. I mean, FOR ME it doesn't matter I don't do shit I'm old. Does it really matter though what day it's on? I think we're reaching that point in wrestling now where everything is going to be available on the internet in some fashion. Wrestling on channel 5 will be for your local/regional promotions that can't get on a Hulu type platform.

    If the rumors are true as to why they're doing this show I think that is more comical and disturbing than anything. Imagine if we heard that the draft happened because Triple H and Undertaker got into a "fight" backstage. We would never let that down lol. Dude if I'm Tony Khan I'm telling these motherfuckers you are headlining Wembley, quit being a little bitch and let's bang this out before these marks forget about us.

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    If Wembley isn't headlined by CM Punk in some fashion they've failed. MJF v. CM Punk end all be all for the title Punk never lost, put a stamp on the best thing to happen in wrestling aside from the Bloodline in years. Or you have Punk grab a couple homeys and you do a 6-man tag FMW style match. Fighting through the crowds, blood, tables, make it look like a real fight.

    Part of me thinks the World champ should headline but it's not necessary if Punk isn't the guy. MJF v. Adam Cole or some whack shit like that--no thanks. I mean they've already sold 70,000 tickets so they could have Tito Santana v. Papa Shango II since every other match on Summerslam 1992's card can't happen due to 1 or more deceased wrestlers. That's depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    If Wembley isn't headlined by CM Punk in some fashion they've failed. MJF v. CM Punk end all be all for the title Punk never lost, put a stamp on the best thing to happen in wrestling aside from the Bloodline in years. Or you have Punk grab a couple homeys and you do a 6-man tag FMW style match. Fighting through the crowds, blood, tables, make it look like a real fight.

    Part of me thinks the World champ should headline but it's not necessary if Punk isn't the guy. MJF v. Adam Cole or some whack shit like that--no thanks. I mean they've already sold 70,000 tickets so they could have Tito Santana v. Papa Shango II since every other match on Summerslam 1992's card can't happen due to 1 or more deceased wrestlers. That's depressing.
    The problem here is that there is a PPV in Chicago the next week. One would think the big Punk match would be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    If Wembley isn't headlined by CM Punk in some fashion they've failed. MJF v. CM Punk end all be all for the title Punk never lost, put a stamp on the best thing to happen in wrestling aside from the Bloodline in years. Or you have Punk grab a couple homeys and you do a 6-man tag FMW style match. Fighting through the crowds, blood, tables, make it look like a real fight.

    Part of me thinks the World champ should headline but it's not necessary if Punk isn't the guy. MJF v. Adam Cole or some whack shit like that--no thanks. I mean they've already sold 70,000 tickets so they could have Tito Santana v. Papa Shango II since every other match on Summerslam 1992's card can't happen due to 1 or more deceased wrestlers. That's depressing.
    Nailz and Virgil are still alive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    The problem here is that there is a PPV in Chicago the next week. One would think the big Punk match would be there.
    Punk thinks he's a Harley Race, Ric Flair, Terry Funk type. What's stopping him from headlining both? He's going to be on both shows right? Would they seriously leave him off the Wembley show? That'd be hilarious.

    And see, that mentality is what I'm talking about. They've already sold the tickets so who gives a shit who's on the card. And that's what scares me as a fan. I don't want some half assed show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Nailz and Virgil are still alive
    Sauce Master v. Nailz? I actually thought Nailz died in prison fighting Jean Claude Van Damme. Different guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    If Wembley isn't headlined by CM Punk in some fashion they've failed. MJF v. CM Punk end all be all for the title Punk never lost, put a stamp on the best thing to happen in wrestling aside from the Bloodline in years. Or you have Punk grab a couple homeys and you do a 6-man tag FMW style match. Fighting through the crowds, blood, tables, make it look like a real fight.

    Part of me thinks the World champ should headline but it's not necessary if Punk isn't the guy. MJF v. Adam Cole or some whack shit like that--no thanks. I mean they've already sold 70,000 tickets so they could have Tito Santana v. Papa Shango II since every other match on Summerslam 1992's card can't happen due to 1 or more deceased wrestlers. That's depressing.
    I think Goldberg/MJF could be a possibility. Obviously, it would be a 5 minute match, and MJF would get the win, so that's not how you'd end the show so whatever Omega's match is would go on last in that scenario.

    In a fairy tale world, it would be CM Punk and FTR vs. The Elite in the main event. Hopefully, all sides can move on from the past and work together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Brock View Post
    I think Goldberg/MJF could be a possibility. Obviously, it would be a 5 minute match, and MJF would get the win, so that's not how you'd end the show so whatever Omega's match is would go on last in that scenario.

    In a fairy tale world, it would be CM Punk and FTR vs. The Elite in the main event. Hopefully, all sides can move on from the past and work together.
    No offence but completely done and exhausted with Goldberg at this point. Had his prime and time and should retire. MJF having to carry the majority of the mic work and no doubt bump sounds eeeewwww.

    Also maybe just me but though I appreciate others feel differently, not clamouring for Punk. Respect his accomplishments but just too much of an ego and volatile for my tastes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    Sounds like this Wembley deal is gonna have a Wrestlemania Weekend kinda feel. Rev Pro is running the Copper Box that weekend.
    Will Ospreay vs Shingo Takagi is the main event of this show

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    The problem here is that there is a PPV in Chicago the next week. One would think the big Punk match would be there.
    Punk has to be on the card though surely? Maybe do a 6 man at Wembley and a singles in Chicago.

    I literally have no idea of the card but I'm hyped already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Punk has to be on the card though surely? Maybe do a 6 man at Wembley and a singles in Chicago.

    I literally have no idea of the card but I'm hyped already.
    Oh yeah he's totally gonna be on the show. I'm just thinking because a PPV in Chicago is the next week that they will be Punk's bigger match of the two shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    If Wembley isn't headlined by CM Punk in some fashion they've failed. MJF v. CM Punk end all be all for the title Punk never lost, put a stamp on the best thing to happen in wrestling aside from the Bloodline in years. Or you have Punk grab a couple homeys and you do a 6-man tag FMW style match. Fighting through the crowds, blood, tables, make it look like a real fight.

    Part of me thinks the World champ should headline but it's not necessary if Punk isn't the guy. MJF v. Adam Cole or some whack shit like that--no thanks. I mean they've already sold 70,000 tickets so they could have Tito Santana v. Papa Shango II since every other match on Summerslam 1992's card can't happen due to 1 or more deceased wrestlers. That's depressing.
    HBK v Rick Martel? I think that's the only other one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    HBK v Rick Martel? I think that's the only other one...
    I was thinkingnhenledtbitoff cause sherrinmartel managed rick martel and she passed away

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    How about Nailz vs. Virgil II? The rematch the world has waited over 30 years for.

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    I saw Sienna was on AEW again to job to the shittiest piledriver known to man.

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    Watched her match w/ Toni and what caught my eye was Toni's outfit. She always had pretty cool attire, but now she's wearing what... black bell bottoms? I remember during the diva era every lady was wearing those bell bottom pants. And yeah, that pile driver was tired as frick.

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    I know I'm getting on a bit and it's only wrestling, but does anyone else think the outside interference in wrestling has gotten really, really lazy over the years? Back in the day, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, only managers were allowed at ringside. I seem to recall fondly Gorilla Monsoon's 'manager's licence' line on commentary.

    Last week for example, on Rampage. Toni Storm Vs Allysin Kay. Kay hits a big move, has the cover, and Saraya rolls into the ring. Aubrey Edwards rushes to push her away and Storm soon hits the 'Storm Zero' for the pin.

    Scenarios like this just make Aubrey Edwards look like an absolute fucking idiot. Takes me right out of it, too.

    Yeah, yeah, I'm overthinking it. But I'm bored.

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    yeah they used to make a big deal of only people with a license could be ringside and even do things like if a wrestler was ringside having him show he has a license. They did that bit a while back on Dynamite with Ethan Page when he had Lambert coming out with him. He was wrestling Orange and they made Best Friends leave the ring because they didn't have a license.

    I agree that it can be a bit much at times and they always play off the numbers game and what not on commentary when the heel wins because of things. I guess it makes the whole banned from ringside thing more special at times. At the end of the day for the most part doesn't bother me too much.

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    Jade Cargill reign at this point is probably the most boring undefeated streak in the history of wrestling. No intrigue more like “Thank God it’s over!” if/when it happens.

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    IMO they should've had her win the main title about 4-5 months ago. Then she could take her first loss losing the TBS title. And by now she'd probably be set to drop it one of the Outcasts. Problem with AEW, there is nobody to give Jade the rub in the women's division. She's beat Thunder Rosa, she could beat Britt that's not a question or any of the others. I think if anything she should get snatched up by Jericho's squad and she could be under his wing for a little bit. She could be AEW's Rhea Ripley/Chyna type.

    At this point, she might as well drop the TBS title to Nyla Rose, Britt Baker, and then move on to the Women's title. If the idea is to have her move up and then be another wrestler well that's going to make everything prior pointless. She has to still look strong because again, she's beat some credible people some that were already AEW women's champion. If she does the job to Toni Storm and that shit piledriver, well, off to WWE she goes.

    Imagine what HBK and the NXT team could do with her. Imagine her on the main roster with that level of talent? She'd be main eventing 40 with Bianca.

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    Yeah they have really not booked her well.

    She has beaten former champs Rose and Nyla. She has beat Athena the current ROH champ. She has beaten Soho who keeps getting stop and go pushes but has had chances at the women's title. They never paired her against Hayter, Britt, Shida, or Storm but she is experienced enough at this point to have good matches with any of them. She has come a long way from the green person she was at the start of the streak.

    Rumor was she was going to drop TBS title to Statlander and then Statlander got hurt again. Had she done that and moved into feuds with others and got into the title mix it would have been nice but this run has been stale. Even when they tried to make it interesting and at least give some of her title defenses a story instead of just random defenses it was okay but not much. Nyla stealing the title was okay. The whole kicking out Hogan and Velvet turning on her was okay. The fight over the finisher with Taya is okay. Just no real meat to anything she has done beyond she is undefeated with a ton of random open challenge defenses against random people and not everyone is even with AEW. She is not even on tv that much anymore it seems like.

    She needs to drop the TBS title and then start chasing Hayter or something. Actually do something with her.

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    Yeah Statlander would’ve been awesome. The whole “Jaded” finishing move thing with Taya was intriguing to begin with but just…ehh because it made Taya look silly forgetting the stipulation. Shida wouldn’t be a bad shout if not being in the outcast angle.

    Rhio if they wanted to do the David vs Goliath angle perhaps…

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    I am curious how many people they've pitched to beat her. I'm shocked it wasn't Paige. I do notice that some of the "bigger" names in the women's division that she hasn't face are/were heels. Britt, Hayter, they turned babyface not that long ago and have been in this corny Outcast feud. Toni, Saraya, they're heels. Shida would be good but that's just a personal choice as I don't know if that would be as big of a deal.

    The AEW women's division can't get into the next gear for some reason. They don't have those 1 or 2 really really incredible performers. I'm sick of the mentality that we should just accept mediocrity. There's nobody really on the horizon in AEW that's building up this fanbase and people are waiting for them to pull the trigger. That's who should beat Jade. Someone with a Sami Zayn/Daniel Bryan type character that people love to watch that want to see win the title/beat the undefeated monster.

    The flipside to that is I think most of us are getting to a point where if she lost the title to Taya that'd be ok. Jade is still ultra green despite being in the business 2-3 years, only 30 years old. How much of a rub can someone get that's on the come up that's a young talent when the person they're beating isn't exactly Charlotte Flair.

    If I'm booking, I would have one of the Outcasts beat her for the title. Specifically Paige/Saraya. Use the outside interference, Jade isn't that polished but she doesn't do crazy shit and Saraya doesn't either. Knowing AEW they'd probably have some stable stipulation where any of the 3 could defend the title and that would keep Saraya from working too much (neck issue).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I am curious how many people they've pitched to beat her. I'm shocked it wasn't Paige. I do notice that some of the "bigger" names in the women's division that she hasn't face are/were heels. Britt, Hayter, they turned babyface not that long ago and have been in this corny Outcast feud. Toni, Saraya, they're heels. Shida would be good but that's just a personal choice as I don't know if that would be as big of a deal.

    The AEW women's division can't get into the next gear for some reason. They don't have those 1 or 2 really really incredible performers. I'm sick of the mentality that we should just accept mediocrity. There's nobody really on the horizon in AEW that's building up this fanbase and people are waiting for them to pull the trigger. That's who should beat Jade. Someone with a Sami Zayn/Daniel Bryan type character that people love to watch that want to see win the title/beat the undefeated monster.

    The flipside to that is I think most of us are getting to a point where if she lost the title to Taya that'd be ok. Jade is still ultra green despite being in the business 2-3 years, only 30 years old. How much of a rub can someone get that's on the come up that's a young talent when the person they're beating isn't exactly Charlotte Flair.

    If I'm booking, I would have one of the Outcasts beat her for the title. Specifically Paige/Saraya. Use the outside interference, Jade isn't that polished but she doesn't do crazy shit and Saraya doesn't either. Knowing AEW they'd probably have some stable stipulation where any of the 3 could defend the title and that would keep Saraya from working too much (neck issue).
    I like this plan, but I think you can avoid the stable defense.

    AEW champs can work reduced schedules and really nobody is going to say much.

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    Yeah I was going to say the same thing. Right now Orange is the champ that is working his ass off. So Saraya not defending all the time is not a big issue if you were to put the belt on her.

    I just want the belt of Jade and like push Jade to something better and eventually give her a run with the title. I never thought I would say that but she really has come along quite a ways in the short amount of time she has been in the business. She still has stuff to learn but she has star power.

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    Agreed, she’s way too big for that title now, the sooner the better. She’s certainly got the look and is marketable.

    I really hope they’re not gonna have her go for a 100. Being denied the 60th by Taya is fine and she won’t lose out much in heat I don’t think.

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    I see that the only reasonably priced tickets for All In are in the nosebleeds.

    So unless it's like Clash at the Castle and prices come down closer to the event, I won't be going.

    Fair play to Keith Lee going all natural, but had no idea the dude is only 38! Looking older does kinda fit in with him teaming with Dustin though.

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    I feel like they've kind of booked themselves into a corner with Jade. her losing the streak almost has to be a big deal, but there's really not a great way to do it.

    Better to rip the band-aid off at some point.

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    They had chances before and after Statlander got hurt to drop it to someone and let it mean something but at this point new people coming in like Ruby, Athena, Taya, etc just seem to be brought in and put her over. People are a bit over it and want more from Jade. Just be done with it and actually do something with her at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Fair play to Keith Lee going all natural, but had no idea the dude is only 38! Looking older does kinda fit in with him teaming with Dustin though.
    Us men are lucky we can let our hair go grey and we often hear "oh man, he looks better with some grey in his beard." Or a white beard, in my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    They had chances before and after Statlander got hurt to drop it to someone and let it mean something but at this point new people coming in like Ruby, Athena, Taya, etc just seem to be brought in and put her over. People are a bit over it and want more from Jade. Just be done with it and actually do something with her at this point.
    I'm not even sure Stat was going to go over.

    I'm also not sure as I said earlier if there is any actual meaning to beating Jade. Most of that is due to how poorly the women are booked in AEW. Jade is simply racking up wins and she's not like Goldberg where everyone in the country is tuned in watching this beast rise. The only negative to Jade losing is when she does, it won't matter who, but it won't be accepted 100%. There will be some backlash because that's the nature of the business and the fans who follow it. Jade could drop the title to Britt and you'll have 4-5 reasons why it was a mistake. Quantity over quality, never really gets anyone over.

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    Yeah Stat may have not gotten over but rumors were that she was going to be the one and never really hear rumors of others being the one to end the streak. We won't really ever know unless Khan tells us. So yeah who knows.

    I think we all agree this streak has just not been done right and at this point yeah I don't think who ever beats her really gets a rub unless they have more of an unknown or not as big name defeat her in a shock value situation. Of course not sure that is great for Jade but at this point not sure anything is great for Jade until they get that belt off of her and actually give her a feud worth a damn that last longer than like 2 weeks. This thing with Taya is probably the longest feud. Maybe Nya. Not sure. Her streak is so full of just random ass open challenge matches over enhancement talent it just yeah is stale at this point.

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    I wonder what the process was when putting the belt on Jade at the start. Was it "Okay, we'll make her our version of Goldberg" or "Who else are we going to put the secondary belt on?"

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    I think the idea was to boost her and make her the star that she is/can be. She beat Rosa and Soho on the way to win it and had good matches with them. But yeah just not done much else after that. They had options on how to put the belt on. Statlander, Nyla, Rosa, and Soho were all in that tournament. Was Hayter and Storm in there as well? Can' remember. They had options. Britt was the champ at the time.

    Storm wasn't here yet.

    Hayter, Shida, and Deeb were in it though.

    I wish Deeb would have gotten a run with a title at some point.
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    I don't think there has ever been a real end game with Jade. They're 100% booking her on the idea that her looks are enough. Maybe there's a little Goldberg mentality that her matches can suck but nobody is reacting to a Jade match like we do a Goldberg match. I've said this before, if she were in the WWE, getting this kind of push, the fans better be eating her up and not just sitting on their hands like they do for Jade. It's basically "what outfit is she wearing?" And then that's it for the rest of the match.

    She has good people to lean on in AEW but none of them book the show.

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