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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Reading reports that William Regal is on his way back to WWE? How is that possible if he signed a 3 year deal, or so I read?
    It's because Uncle Dave I believe fucked up and then had to go out the next day and correct himself. So you have people running with his original comment that he thought Regal's contract was up in a few months and then others with the supposed real story that he signed a 3-year deal. I take it all with a grain of salt.

    It does feel like a write off though but who knows. In WWE you'd just assume oh he's probably taking a backstage role or going to developmental to help out again. Everywhere else they don't really have that so is he going to do anything behind the scenes? Doubtful. Tony's rich as fuck so he probably has no qualms about paying talent to do nothing just like Vince had no qualms paying people to hang out in the back and wrestle once a month on Main Event.

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    Yeah Meltzer first said he is was headed back and his contract is almost up and then next day said he had a correction and the contract was for 3 years. Shocking I know that Meltzer didn't have the correct information and still be wrong about it.

    Another site is now saying he is on this way back to WWE and his contract indeed is coming up soon.

    I will believe it when I see at this point.

    They wrote him off for the time being and I think it helps the story but it seems to be feeding the fire that he is leaving. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go back honestly but again I will believe it when I see it.

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    I know Regal and Triple H are really tight, so it makes sense for him to go back to WWE. To be honest I was shocked Regal signed with AEW to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I know Regal and Triple H are really tight, so it makes sense for him to go back to WWE. To be honest I was shocked Regal signed with AEW to begin with.
    He said he was prepared to take much needed time off and away from the business before even thinking about doing anything when Danielson reached to him to come over to AEW.

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    Money talks and Regal loves the business. He loves working with the young talent as well as the veterans who are willing to collaborate.

    Regal back in the WWE would be great. I personally thought it was bullshit he was let go especially when it felt like "Oh Triple H is out after having a heart attack let's get rid of his people" It was a very very strange time and who knows....Maybe Regal isn't as well liked for whatever reason by other people in WWE. Maybe Shawn or Vince or whoever never really felt like Regal was a genius.

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    It may not have been MFJ's best promo ever but I still really liked it. I like him leaning into the free agency in 2024. Hopefully he stays healthy and ends up with a long reign.

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    He needs a long reign to give AEW time to build the perfect choice to take the belt off him. CM Punk probably has another 5 months of rehab. Danielson isn't getting any younger but the seeds have been planted for a revenge approach. 6-7 months from now Wardlow could be back in a position to make that leap.

    I'll say this...Yes, most of the AEW roster is not a household name. So if we look at it from that perspective where you don't go "Well it should be a huge name like CM Punk or Danielson" that's where we can start leaning more into guys like Wardlow because in the hardcore wrestling fan bubble, that would be a smart move.

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    MJF's reign as champion is the worst in history.

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    Ok, I watched the promo, and with MJF saying he was going to have a long reign, I'd love for someone to just squash him to win it

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    Wardlow squashed him which was crazy to me so I could see it happening again. Like how Triple H never could beat Batista until like 20 years later and Batista had already fought Thanos.

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    Guessing MJF feuds with the Blackpool Combat club. He's already beaten Ambrose, so maybe have him do quick work over Yutah, then a month long program with Daniel Bryan, and then a lengthy feud with Cesaro.

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    He already did a short program with Yuta. Doubt they go back to that Yuta is going after Garcia and his ROH Pure Championship.

    Danielson and MJF is probably going to end up being the big feud out of this.

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    If AEW were smart they would do MJF v. Danielson and then parlay that into Danielson/Moxley. I thought they had a good story leading into the BCC and now that the BCC (IMO) has run it's course, this should be the implosion storyline.

    Maybe Khan is spoken on this but I am curious about how much was changed due to the Punk/Elite situation. What were we supposed to get these last couple months? Was it going to be Punk v. MJF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    My fear of MJF being champ and his contract being up is we are going to get him being champ and nothing will matter til 2024. Its the same problem with Roman, we know he is not losing til Mania or maybe until Mania 40, so its just spinning wheels til then.
    One of WWE's best storylines in years does not equal spinning its wheels.

    It certainly appears that AEW is having a challenge gaining viewership. In some ways they've got their chips in the middle of the table with The Elite (in some ways) emboldened and one of pillars in the top spot, so they've got to figure it out. If the demo is the big deal, that also seems to be trending down over the course of given episodes.

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    A huge part of me thinks AEW are fine with the viewership. A wrestling promotion that had no real build just dropped on TNT a couple years ago, pandemic, they're averaging around 850,000-1 million viewers. Raw is averaging what, 1.5 million viewers. I imagine the majority of fans watch both brands religiously. If the network were unhappy we'd probably know and maybe they will get rid of wrasslin once again, we've seen it happen before. But in this day and age consistency matters. If they're in the top 5 every week on a shit night like Wednesday for Dynamite, what else on TNT is doing better other than the NBA and I guess certain movies? What shows are people watching on TNT because 25 years ago nobody gave a fuck about Witchblade.

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    They should reboot Thunder In Paradise with Cesaro in the lead role. That would get more views than Dynamite.

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    I like MJF, don't get me wrong, but my fear is crippling the AEW main event with the idea that no one is going to win the title til either MJF wins or he goes to WWE and has to vacate the title that is over a year of the same old storyline. While I am sure it will be fun with the right opponents like Bryan, Kingston and others, however I can see people getting bored with it in three months. That is due to how fickle the AEW fans can be. I just hope this ticking clock doesn't backfire on them.

    Raw sucks. The women are holding it together, but even that is loosely tied. Bayley has gone from red hot to jobber to the stars. I hope Rhea gets it soon, so we can start shaking things up a bit. Raw banking on OC/Judgement Day to get them to Mania is crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    I like MJF, don't get me wrong, but my fear is crippling the AEW main event with the idea that no one is going to win the title til either MJF wins or he goes to WWE and has to vacate the title that is over a year of the same old storyline. While I am sure it will be fun with the right opponents like Bryan, Kingston and others, however I can see people getting bored with it in three months. That is due to how fickle the AEW fans can be. I just hope this ticking clock doesn't backfire on them.

    Raw sucks. The women are holding it together, but even that is loosely tied. Bayley has gone from red hot to jobber to the stars. I hope Rhea gets it soon, so we can start shaking things up a bit. Raw banking on OC/Judgement Day to get them to Mania is crazy.
    MJF is probably the only guy in that company who could make a super long reign work because he's that good. There are a ton of people he has yet to work with. I don't see him holding it as long as he claims he will and that's the thing dude....His promo wasn't some big reveal of the booking plans. Also-how many champions come out and say "Guys, I'm going to lose this soon!" No, they all say I'm never losing this title I'll be champ forever yada yada.

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    MJF vs Kingston would work. The polished, refined heel vs the guy who looks like most of the fans? It's worked for decades and it'll work again. Eddie being not great on the mic will only help him in this case. Not saying he needs to take the belt off MJF but I wouldn't be upset if he did after a year or so. Gives AEW time to build him back up.

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    Kingston is one of those guys I don't think needs to be World champion. He's not a good worker, he's alright on the mic, looks like shit. If he were a good worker and consistent on the mic he could be like a Mick Foley type but Mick was at least a big dude. Eddie's like 5'8"

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    I wouldn't be opposed to a short Kingston reign but at the same time I think he is fine without it. He is doing fine working the programs he is working and he will probably end up with a title shot at some point. He had one against Moxley when they worked that program. But I don't think they are going to put the belt on him. At best he ends up with a TNT reign but doubtful. Maybe tag team reign with Santana. Probably doubtful as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to a short Kingston reign but at the same time I think he is fine without it. He is doing fine working the programs he is working and he will probably end up with a title shot at some point. He had one against Moxley when they worked that program. But I don't think they are going to put the belt on him. At best he ends up with a TNT reign but doubtful. Maybe tag team reign with Santana. Probably doubtful as well.
    Even a short reign makes no sense. At this point. I see a lot of fans say that when it's about someone that really shouldn't be in that position. I will say this, he could be AEW World champion. COULD be. I don't care who's on that roster, that company isn't on par with WWE, New Japan, when it comes to the quality of World champions or just champions in general. So I think that if Tyrus can be NWA World champ, Kingston could be AEW World champ. But I could also see Orange Cassidy as World champ in this company. There's not as much at stake to be the champ of AEW, nobody cares if MJF is palatable to the GAM audience, nobody cares if he winds up on Jimmy Fallon or doing movies. That's not what AEW is going for. This is a company owned by a billionaire wrestling fan, he doesn't give a shit if Jericho is on The Mask Singer he wasn't even able to promote the appearance due to the nature of the show.

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    Kingston is their low key Austin. He has the every man vibe and is a bit of a heel. I think Eddie when motivated is one of the best on the mic. His promo on Cody is what got him hired. So, I don't get this Eddie is just ok, he was fire with most of the people he works with. He has been sent down the card due to all the WWE guys coming in, so I am hoping he can move up. MJF maybe able to pull this off, but I got a feeling by June, we might be like can we get this over now.

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    I think Kingston's mental health problems have been an issue as well at times, as well as the odd disciplinary issue here and there. For these reasons, I don't ever see him being their world champion, but I could see him with the TNT Title. I'd like to see that, love Eddie.

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    I think he'll win the world title before he retires. He's their Tommy Dreamer. But much much better in every way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Kingston is their low key Austin. He has the every man vibe and is a bit of a heel. I think Eddie when motivated is one of the best on the mic. His promo on Cody is what got him hired. So, I don't get this Eddie is just ok, he was fire with most of the people he works with. He has been sent down the card due to all the WWE guys coming in, so I am hoping he can move up. MJF maybe able to pull this off, but I got a feeling by June, we might be like can we get this over now.
    He is just ok. Not a very good worker and he is good on the mic but you'd stand out that much on the mic if you were in a company where most of the people suck at cutting promos. He's not their lowkey Austin.

    I do like the fact you are hungup on thinking MJF is going to have some 2-3 year run as champion like Roman because of the promo MJF cut. Have you ever heard a promo where the champion said "When I lose this belt in 2 months I'll be happy!" No they say they'll be champion forever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    I think Kingston's mental health problems have been an issue as well at times, as well as the odd disciplinary issue here and there. For these reasons, I don't ever see him being their world champion, but I could see him with the TNT Title. I'd like to see that, love Eddie.
    It's still AEW though, the same place that put the title on Adam Page. If Page who has zero charisma, a terrible look, but can somewhat wrestle get the title then a guy who can't wrestle with a terrible look but solid charisma should be a possibility. Ultimately I don't see it though. He's entertaining but so was Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBain View Post
    I think he'll win the world title before he retires. He's their Tommy Dreamer. But much much better in every way.
    Naw. Dreamer was a better worker and I would say even on the mic. Maybe give Dreamer the nod due to some of those incredible promos he was cutting during the Raven and Jerry Lawler feuds in ECW. I don't think Dreamer actually ever cut a bad promo. It would have to be an incredible storyline to get the belt on Eddie. He's 40, and there's a long line of better talent in AEW ahead of him.

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    I do think Kingston would be good for a quick reign. Has the perfect cap to a well-built program, maybe gets like a defense on Dynamite, then drops it by the next super show. But I think people have pointed out multiple problems with having him be devoted world champ.

    At the moment, I think you have Wardlow, Jungle Boy, or Darby dethrone MJF.

    Keith Lee would also be a good shout if they heat him up enough by then.

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    Honestly, I don't see the value on Kingston as a world champ. And let's be honest, Kingston has been given some great people to work with and some great opportunities. He's had good moments. I actually think AEW has used him well.

    And with Kingston you run the risk that he gets in a bad place and derails your whole program, because he doesn't like how someone comes back at him.


    But there are a lot of guys who work hard and could get the fans behind them who have a much higher ceiling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    He is just ok. Not a very good worker and he is good on the mic but you'd stand out that much on the mic if you were in a company where most of the people suck at cutting promos. He's not their lowkey Austin.

    I do like the fact you are hungup on thinking MJF is going to have some 2-3 year run as champion like Roman because of the promo MJF cut. Have you ever heard a promo where the champion said "When I lose this belt in 2 months I'll be happy!" No they say they'll be champion forever.



    It's still AEW though, the same place that put the title on Adam Page. If Page who has zero charisma, a terrible look, but can somewhat wrestle get the title then a guy who can't wrestle with a terrible look but solid charisma should be a possibility. Ultimately I don't see it though. He's entertaining but so was Hacksaw Jim Duggan.
    I take your point, but a champion needs to be reliable. Not convinced Eddie is.

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    Kingston isn't the guy you give a 7 month reign to you would definitely use him in a way that gets someone or himself heat and then back to the guy you want a long reign out of.

    When you look back at the Attitude Era, so many short reigns. Just look at HBK winning it back at Rumble 1997 until let's say Jericho unifying the WWF/WCW titles at Vengeance 2001. Only a couple reigns that went more than 3-4 months uninterrupted. Kingston could be someone that you see win if the story is right but then loses it shortly after. AEW showed they weren't all about just having super long reigns with the whole Punk/Mox situation.

    Maybe 2023 we see Kingston pull off the miracle, hypothetically let's use MJF as the sacrificial lamb. But then MJF would win it right back within a few weeks, maybe a month. You get the feel good moment ala Mick Foley beating The Rock and then boom, super heel gets it right back taking away that feel good run and back to getting heat. I would even use this as a way to turn Kingston heel.

    There's definitely $$$ in Kingston as a heel so maybe that's where we see him snatch up that quick reign. Take it off a beloved babyface and get a little run as a prick.

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    I've been snarky about Kingston before, but this time I don't mean it that way.

    he just doesn't seem like he could handle being a heel right now. I'm basing that off some of the interviews he gave, and how he talked about people. And how he seems to respond to negative about himself.


    Could be completely wrong.

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    There are some guys who winning the title is enough and some guys where that hurts. Like Dusty Rhodes was three times World Champion his longest reign was slightly less than three months. That was not a problem. He was a guy you wanted to see win the title but not see as Champion. Whereas someone like Kerry Von Erich only being champion 2 weeks hurt him more than if he never beat Flair at all.

    I think Kingston would firmly be more in the Rhode camp. People would love to see him win it, but not really want to see him with it. Like he beats MJF. Makes a successful defense or two on TV and then drops it within a few weeks is how you'd want to book that. Then probably get the tag belts or TNT belt on him for a while after that though.

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    Kingston has it in him to be an immense heel, but only as a top midcarder. His time to be a top guy is way long gone, but he has the goods to tear it up w/ one of the two thousand midcard belts floating around.

    It's hard to make heads or tails w/ AEW though. The booking has been a total disaster lately, and Regal doing a Grandpa Simpson gif back to WWE is very telling of how much of a problem AEW has. They've had so much top talent delivered to them on a silver platter and they've pretty much turned it all to poo poo.

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    I just don't like that he thinks he's tough. He's one of those dish it out but can't take it kids. He'll run his mouth and shoot on people in promos but the second they do it to him he fuckin cries and starts penning his goodbyes. Who the fuck still shaves a line in their eyebrow? lol.

    That's why he would be a great heel. Just have someone call him out on his shit. Talk about how he puts on a front but deep down, behind all the shoot promos and eyebrow shaving he's just a dude playing a character he saw on tv.

    His look and in-ring ability can only take a backseat for so long but again, this isn't the WWE or New Japan where you're just not going to give this guy a run in those companies. AEW gave Adam Page a 6 month run, anything is possible here. Page didn't draw a dime. Kingston can at least talk. He could be Impact champion or even ROH champion. Him beating Jericho for the ROH title wouldn't suck.

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    I don't follow AEW (anymore) so my opinion is not worth much, but from what I've seen of Eddie Kingston it feels to me he should do a character similar to Bully Ray in TNA. Pretty much exactly ND's first paragraph above.

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    You know what would be cool is if they'd finally release that video game.

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    CM Punk still on the cover for that?

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    No. They took him off the cover from what I have heard but he is still in the game

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    I'm reading February 2023 but who knows. I'm all about it. I'm pretty lenient with my expectations for wrestling games. The only thing I don't like so far about this game is the desire for people to say "It's like No Mercy!" People just don't understand that there are games that nothing will ever be like. No Mercy is one of them. Why? It wasn't necessarily about the gameplay or the graphics it was about the experience.

    For one, outside of the arcade you didn't really get more than two players at a time. You also had the wrestling boom of the 90's going on. Last but not least the connections we made with people. I don't know a bunch of 45-50 year olds talking about how awesome the N64 was or No Mercy. You don't really hear the youth of today going back and saying No Mercy is the best game ever because they've already been experiencing multi-person games and playing online, what happened in 1998 at my boy Brian's happens 24/7 in the world today.

    No Mercy, Revenge, games from that era are nothing new. The gameplay has been replicated multiple times, the look isn't anything new. AEW needs to stop trying to always be the next (insert 90's wrestling culture throwback). Fight Forever is going to be the WWE ECW version of No Mercy and we already got that with Legends of Wrestling games.

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    Just bring back the branching story trees. That's some good completionist stuff.

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    That Ricky Starks promo was awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Just bring back the branching story trees. That's some good completionist stuff.
    Reminded me of choose your own adventure books.

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    Regarding Rampage this week


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Regarding Rampage this week


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Reminded me of choose your own adventure books.
    I do agree with your earlier No Mercy sentiment. It was a lot the experience. Even non-wrestling fans would play that game.

    Still laugh at memories of playing the Royal Rumble style with people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I do agree with your earlier No Mercy sentiment. It was a lot the experience. Even non-wrestling fans would play that game.

    Still laugh at memories of playing the Royal Rumble style with people
    Exactly. When I was in high school a lot of cliques died because wrestling was so popular it mashed up a lot of circles together. Backyard wrestling was booming too thanks in part to the Dude Love tapes. So you'd gather at some kid's house depending on the system they had and it was all walks of life having a 4-way dance and then going out on the trampoline with the video camera with 20 people from our school, another 50 coming just watch lol.

    Nowadays the youth are just hopping online, maybe not as much backyard wrestling post-WWE 2K or Fire Pro whatever they're playing. I mean there have been WWE games that had better game play, graphics, story mode than No Mercy. But for me and many many others is that connection we all made. Not tryin to sound corny but it's true. As long as you weren't a total fuckin idiot you were usually in the mix.

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    No Mercy and Wrestlemania 2000 had the added bonus of me knowing who everyone was. I played WCW/nWo Revenge everyday for a good year or two after it came out, and I really only knew who the ex WWE guys were, but that didn't stop me from loving it, like you all are saying about people who don't watch wrestling enjoyed No Mercy.

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