I won't dispute it, can you find the info for me?
I won't dispute it, can you find the info for me?
You're hilarious. You're on here disputing negative comments about Jeff Jarrett and how he's beneficial but won't provide a single shred of evidence. So it's ok for you to dispute what we're saying, yet here you are......Typical Virms.Originally Posted by virms
Yeah just google "What promotions have Jeff Jarrett helped with live events" and it brings up all the info Virms read that he won't provide....Obviously that's a sarcastic response because there is no proof. He's talking out his ass like he does every other topic. Zero knowledge, zero facts, just trying to go against the grain and get a reaction.
pretty sure the jarrett thing wasn't what was being considered 'big' about last night.Saw a lot of chat on twitter last night before the show from Bryan Alvarez and the like about "something big" happening on Dynamite last night.
Mid-card career heel at best, apart from when he had buddies in the office in WCW or he was in charge. Genuinely hilarious.
Guessing it's more of a big deal in a non in-ring way, but even then, what has he ever really achieved?
This company has gone to shit pretty rapidly, in my opinion.
Jeff Jarrett in 2022.
Jeff Jarrett Vs. Billy Gunn in 2022, make it happen Tony!
I am being harsh, it was twitter stirring it up, it's not like AEW announced it as being a huge deal or anything, but it has clearly tickled me.
Then what was? Colt Cabana? Shibata?
Carlito Colt Cobana.
Tag team that spits in the face on people that don’t want to be cool.
TK has the bank account to get anyone he wants idc who it is. Carlito....
Carlito looked decent at last year’s Rumble but never heard much of him since.
https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/08...ett-in-charge/
See Nash this is a perfect example of why it's a waste of time. If you ready my post I guess I complimented him on running live events. I was basically negative about everything else but you choose to focus in one one thing and go all in (no punishment intended)
But hey let's boil this down. Jarret has decades of experience running live events. He's had positive feedback or he wouldn't have been hired by the number 1 company in the world to do it so obviously his reputation holds some merrit. I'm sorry your brain can only hold facts as you see fit and can't ever comprehend there could be another point.
He was over live events for wwe for 4 months, and n the link Meltzer says that he doesn't necessarily credit him for the summer gains.
But there have been many wwe hires that may have Bern questionable.
But yes, he does have lots of experience in tna, global force, etc.
I was more pointing out he had positive feedback from doing the job and was beneficial in his role. You know, since Nash said there was absolutely 0.
I'm not sure if this better or worse.
What it signifies, I suppose, maybe. Again though, nah. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal. Not even close.
what?
given the relationship with new japan and the audience, shibata making a surprise appearance and signing for what looks like an actual match for the first time since nearly dying is without a doubt considered a 'big moment.' you putting your own expectations onto some alvarez tweet doesn't change that.
@virms
"Not that I'm crediting him with this"
Instead of just reading a headline, maybe read what Dirtsheet Dave had to say. But I guess we're not allowed to dispute any nonsense you bring to the table because your feelings might get hurt.
me and the wife's couple name is Double J, since both our names begin with J
In the grand scheme of things, so barring a very niche audience, nobody knows who the fuck he is.
It's come back to me now that this is the dumb cunt who nearly killed himself throwing daft as fuck headbutts. And AEW book him in a match for Rampage, 2 days later? Yeah, this is huge, you're right.
I will say this about AEW. In 2022 there is easier access to educate yourself on Shibata, and really anyone when you think about it. Very few wrestlers have no footage, bio, etc. on the internet. AEW relies on fans to be smartened up more than the fans should strive to be but as someone who is familiar with Shibata my opinion is different than others. Like back in 96-98 it was hard to get any real info about international wrestlers unless you were like me and bought as many wrestling mags and PWI 500's I could find. If you saw a Japanese wrestler was in the back of PWI in the top 10, since all they would do is "Japan" regardless the promotion....That guy was the shit. I'd kill to be able to hop on AOL in 1997 and watch some Masa Chono matches in Japan instead of dropping $50 on a VHS that looked like ass. But it had Onita v. Hayabusa as well on it in the exploding cage.
Personally I would like to see this match at the ppv but schedules are schedules. AEW's format is different than others and they don't mind putting random matches on if it means it'll be worth tuning in. Maybe you just hear this match was good and you tune in the next time you hear about Shibata or really anyone that you're unfamiliar with.
They should really just do video packages on these unique talents. Have AEW wrestlers talking about them. Gives the fans a sense of who they are and their reputation.
I don't give a damn about your bad reputation
I agree. Educating yourself is fine but a brief intro on these guys at least wouldn’t go amiss for those AEW fans that don’t follow NJPW as closely.
That's kind of the downside of the way AEW produces their shows. While we live in an age where the information is in the palm of our hand, it's still nice to see a little more effort from the company. AEW has some good video packages here and there but fail miserably when it comes to introducing talent. It's like the onus is on us as the fans to do the work OR try your best to follow what Excalibur rattles off like the micro machine guy.
I think the good news about AEW starting up house shows is that they have the massive roster to make it easy for different cards at each event, so the talent won't be on the road most days of the year.
That’s one of the things that NXT is great at. Little vignettes when they want to debut someone to show what they’re all about rather than assuming everyone automatically knows them by reputation. Also when do little sit-down interviews and bios like for example Roderick Strong and Balor for example explaining a bit about their background on top of that.
But yeah a little hype at least and then that may encourage fans to do the research.
Oh yeah I imagine you'll get a nice mix of talent each show.
That Joe and Cage main event sucked. Cage is as dull as they come.
lol what a tool
obviously shibata was rusty but that was awesome
Yeah that was fun. Tyson was good too.
Liked the comedy exchange with the kicks and the sit-down poses.
Am I the only one starting to not care about AEW since the bloated roster especially the ROH and NJPW who most people know shit about has happened? Really the only thing keeping me interested is the MJF story.
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I'm only excited when Jeff Cobb appears.
there's a lot annoying me about AEW right now. i'm still going to be watching every week and buying every ppv, but no doubt i'm pretty consistently annoyed by a lot of stuff like too many guys not getting featured enough while the roster continues to bloat and ROH dweebs with no heat and limited upside are getting thrown on the show. the product as a whole has a stagnant feel to it.
I feel the same. I've not been watching as religiously. Also feeling Danielson is criminally under used.
i really don't find the dissension in the BCC too interesting. nor do i find wheeler yuta too interesting. it's a shame they never really had moxley and danielson go on a tear through the tag division which seemed to be the direction when they put them together. maybe there's still time for that after moxley drops the title. but i imagine he takes a vacation after losing to MJF.
the week to week booking is really scatter brained. they need to find a groove of getting guys like darby, wardlow, hobbs, starks, ftr, eddie kingston, etc. on the show every week and doing something significant and having a real trajectory with momentum, rather than showing up once a month and stagnating in between. i'd be happy to see shorter match times and more angles in order to do so.
I think the best thing they can do is get ROH off the show. Refocus on the AEW belts and actually start committing to something whereby guys feel they can move up the card if they perform. Most guys are in the same position they've been since the start. The only ones I can say have truly gotten over and been elevated are The Acclaimed.
I'm 100% the same. Still interested, just nowhere near as much and care far less. Too much ROH going on. Reminds me a little of the WCW stuff on Raw in 2001, but at least that was canned pretty much straight away. I know the situations are vastly different, WCW was painted as trash by the WWF for years, so their audience was programmed to think of it as inferior etc, as well as a myriad of other issues with it, but this still reminds me of it.
Not a lot seems to be happening. It's just matches for the sake of matches at the moment, it seems to me. A lack of storylines, at least decent ones.
Further highlighted obviously by the fact that WWE's product has improved significantly over the past few months, in my opinion. Not to always want to compare them, but it is natural to.
I wonder if the fact they are bringing the Elite back but ousting CM Punk will leave a bad taste in people's mouths.
lol what is it with you thinking you're the only one who thinks a certain way? Do you not read any of the posts in here?
Your ignorance is showing my friend, do you know how many sentences start with "Am I the only one?" when it is asking if anyone else feels that way, I am starting to think you come in just to try and make jabs at me.
They really could easily cut 50 or so wrestlers off the roster and no one would notice.
The Roman Reigns stuff where you said you were the only one who liked him was pretty comical.
Also, I'm a regular poster in this thread so if anything you're coming in here with your ignorance about "Am I the only one?" If you actually read any of this thread, just over the last week, you'd have that answer. But again, you like to make threads and posts thinking you're the only person who feels a certain way. You try to speak for everyone. It's odd.
There are some AEW fans who will spend more time crying about the WWE cutting 50 wrestlers than if AEW cut 50 wrestlers.
I wasn't saying it as "I am the only one" you asshole, learn to comprehend how the English language works, people say "Am I the only one" all the time, also I did not say I was the only one who liked Roman, so stop even speaking to me because all you do is run your god damn mouth just to take jabs that in my eyes make you look like an idiot for not understanding shit that is said.
Don't even reply to this because it is just going to be you running off at the mouth not understanding what "Am I the only one?" means.
I.E "Am I the only one who doesn't understand this?"
"Am I the only one who likes this?"
"Am I the only one who loves mustard?"
You know that others do but you phrase it that way, hell I bet your hypocritical ass does it every day without noticing.
Well I'm going to reply this and I'm going to keep replying to whatever post I choose. I'm not the only person coming at you about the way you're wording every opinion you have as some solo venture you're taking lol.
You are 100% correct. You didn't say you were the only person who liked Roman Reigns. There's at least one victory you can throw a parade for lol. But you did rant about how supposedly there were all these fans who hated Roman and now they love him when you've been a fan since The Shield.
When you question if you're the only one who hasn't been much of a fan lately of AEW while several of us just a day or two prior were talking about how lackluster AEW has been....It's just another "Look at me I'm fuckin cool" comment.
Am I the only one who likes wrestling?
2 years ago when everyone was sick and tired of Bray Wyatt I was still cheering him on. Now that he's back, everyone that hated him loves him. Fickle fans are the worst. I've been a fan of Bray since Husky Harris and now those same fans who were booing New Nexus are all on Bray Wyatt's nuts.
I find Bray Wyatt quite boring. He got me with the Fiend character, I thought that was fantastic at first but got old fairly quick. Same thing is happening with this return. Just weeks of the same thing. Rambling promo followed by weird shit on a screen.
Sorry, this is the AEW thread.
Do you think CM Punk will return?
What I said about people who didn't like him before but now sing his praise now that he is heel is true and I am not questioning jack shit especially since I didn't read from 2 days ago because unlike you I spend a lot of time away from the forums and don't get my rocks off jabbing and insulting people like you do, not my fault you don't understand that.
Insult me and mock me all you want if that is what makes you feel like a superior human being although it makes you truly pathetic and no I don't care what your little friends on here think of you or back you up.
It's not true though and that thread proved it. I'm not a fan of when people try to generalize and be a wrestling hipster (I liked them before they got famous type mentality)
No friends here champ I'm just me and my opinion alone. I was simply mentioning that others felt differently than you.
I think of anyone here, Nash Diesel has the least friends
My new mission is to make sure Audio gets 6,000 posts by the end of the year.
@AudioDynamite You hear that bro? I'm comin at ya, bacon grease and all.
Mmmmmm bacon, basically all I want is for you to ask me if you are understanding properly, sometimes I am either not clear or say things the wrong way........just ask rather than jump my shit......and bring me the bacon!
yea, nash, you have to take in consideration that he doesn't know what he is saying sometimes.
I know what I am saying just sometimes I have a hard time putting it into words, I mean I see you are trying to alter what I said to try to insult me but it really didn't and quite frankly showed how juvenile you are.
You know what I'm not a fan of? These "world title eliminator" matches. Whether that's some random tournament that includes people who never win (Dante Martin) or a random cold match against the sitting champion. I'd like to know how they came up with the 8 that are in this tournament. For example, why is Dante Martin in it? Why is Eddie Kingston? Where the hell has Lance Archer been, but apparently he's done enough to get in it lol.
Sad part is....nobody believes whoever wins this is going to beat the champ anyways. It's right after Full Gear. If MJF wins, do they really believe the fans even the AEW apologists will believe he's going to drop it Bandido? Come on.
Is Bryan or Claudio in it? Jungle Boy could be in it as well as Luchasaurus which could spice it up a bit, like the cost each other the match somehow.
I don't mind the random matches. It at least has the champ wrestling on tv and not just cutting promos until the next title defense.
Now I am with you when it comes to some of these tournaments and who is in them. Makes me scratch my head a lot.
I would rather see the champ cut promos and not wrestle pointless matches every week. Like I said about Moxley...He's not a very good wrestler so him going out there every Dynamite and Rampage working against talent that aren't as good or better than him, it exposes their World champ as subpar. I don't mind if it's part of the storyline. I'm not saying I don't want to see the champ wrestle, I just don't think we need to see them every week in cold matches especially against low card guys going 15-20 minutes.
I don't think we need to see the champ every week but I just like seeing them wrestle. Wither it be in a tag match or eliminator match or whatever.
Moxley is not a bad wrestler. He can do better than what he is doing but I think he is just doing the more brawling violent thing because that is where he has landed with the character in AEW. He is not as good as Danielson or Claudio so this works for him. I wouldn't say he is subpar. Just my view.
I have enjoyed the eliminator matches we have seen both AEW and WWE use for all the champs. Sure some of them are not the best matches but get some decent ones here and there.
You put Moxley in there with a Danielson he'll look great, but that's the downside of working guys on the level of Danielson-damn near anyone can look great. I don't think we need to see Moxley going 15 minutes with Lee Moriarty for example. There needs to be levels clearly defined and if you're trying to tell me guys like Moxley and Dante Martin or Lee Moriarty are on the same level, why can't they get any quality wins?
I just feel like A-the roster is big enough to where you don't need your champ out there wrestling every show and B-if you are, put them against quality opponents. I get that sometimes the storyline can add some flexibility like Mox facing Lee kind of ties in with the MJF stuff via the Firm. But the Firm sucks and it's just unnecessary.
Is Jon Moxley capable of a 5 star match? Probably not, but he's good at what he does.
Oh yeah he's decent, I'm not saying he's shit and maybe me saying "subpar" was a little strong. He's definitely capable I've seen a few Shield 6-man tags that were incredible like the TLC match against Ryback and Team Hell No I believe it was.
Bro, you're a monument of generalizing people.
Wakanda Forever.Bro, you're a monument of generalizing people.
I'm a monument.Bro, you're a monument of generalizing people.
All around the world statues crumble for me.
@Psycho666Soldier
I was like, what the hell is that line from? Thanks.
I do what I do like I do
Super Cat
Who knows how long I've loved you
Can’t say I’ve ever been a big Paige fan but that promo was pretty good though.
The weird part about that whole segment was that most of us knew she was cleared 2-3 weeks ago. I was like, why doesn't the crowd really care and then it hit me--we already knew this.
There's a part of me that is happy she can return but then there's the other part that just can't shake that footage of her getting the mule kick to the back, crumbling like the T-1000 when he gets hit with the nitrogen. It was fucking scary. We didn't see that with guys like Edge, Danielson. It kind of reminded me of Austin getting hurt by Owen.
Someone did say she got cleared by the Miami Dolphins doctor which I thought was kind of funny until some mark goes "Uh for one Tony owns Jacksonville not Miami" I'm like dude....you totally missed the joke.
I liked the promo and all but yeah we all pretty much knew she was cleared and they were building to her and Baker.
I am glad she is back but part of me is still worried about what kind of shape she is in.
I'm more worried because it seems like AEW has a rougher style of wrestling. I mean there has to be a reason why I see AEW Botch accounts and not WWE botch accounts, right?
One wrong move and she could be paralyzed or something worse.
Yeah not just normal shape but wrestling shape. I get that over here the expectations many wrestling fans have for the women are not even remotely as high as they have for the men. So even if she's sloppy, gasses out, plus the fact she hasn't wrestled in 5 years, she'll get some leeway on how she does. Especially in AEW where they maybe have 2-3 good wrestlers, but none of them IMHO are safe. Not even Serena, something about working in AEW diminishes your ability to work safe.
There are but the best one is obviously Botchamania lol. The thing is, rough style or not, you can still get hurt. Remember, all the names I just mentioned got hurt in the WWE. I know Edge ruined his neck the last time spearing Brodus Clay I believe. Not sure if Danielson's were one incident or multiple. Obviously Paige took the kick to the back.
Remember when Sami Zayn answered the Cena Open Challenge and shredded his shoulder doing his pose? Out for like 6 months throwing up his arm lol. Or when Neville broke his ankle sliding under the bottom rope and it caught the apron or whatever.
But on the flipside, AEW does seem to be more careless in the ring. My homeboy I watch AEW with joked that Britt entered the ring and broke her nose again (she didn't but it was funny). With how carless they are about head injuries I wouldn't be shocked if Paige is back on the injured list by Christmas.
Let's also not forget Tyson Kidd taking a move that Samoa Joe has done for years with no repercussions.
I haven't really been watching AEW the last few weeks. School's been kicking my ass and I think some of the shit that happened with Punk and The Elite took the wind out of my sails. I plan on catching up eventually, but I am at least curious to see how Saraya does after so much time away from the ring.
I'm right there with you. I'll even go back a little more and say that when Punk got hurt immediately after winning the title from Page and then he came back and got squashed. I just haven't really been that excited for anything with AEW. I watch it religiously still but it's starting to feel like a chore. I'm also not a fan of the cluster fuck of championships and most of the defenses mean nothing.
I watched regularly for about the first 8-10 months and then didn't follow along as much. Sometimes just feels like wrestling overload and I've long been a WWE guy, with a little time in the early 2010s watching Impact. I hardly recognize the Impact roster these days, feels like a lot of them come in for several months then disappear and move on to somewhere else and then it's like "Oh shit I totally forgot this person existed".
With the size of AEW's roster it's often easy to lose track of people but I will say they seem to put a lot of effort into their main event people, either mens or womens, and featuring stables a lot too. AEW could probably cut 20 people off the roster and it would mostly go unnoticed. Hell, they could release Chuck and Trent and I wouldn't even notice Orange Cassidy being on his own.
I think AEW as a whole still delivers a good product. Like we can be nitpicky and stuff, but the baseline of match quality is good on average. But yeah, it just feels either directionless on one end, or too directional on the other. Some acts disappear right when they're hot, while the BCC/JAS stuff is arguably dragging on too long to keep the stars doing something fresh.
The honeymoon phase doesn't last forever.
The oversized roster makes it hard for things to truly be great. MJF v. Moxley was alright the first time, it's been a mediocre build due to incorporating The Firm which aside from Ethan Page I can't see any upside to the others. Including the Ass Boys lol.
Like you said Psycho sometimes there's too much of something that isn't very good and not enough of what is actually good. I feel like we are 100% in that situation right now. I'm not really a fan of The Elite so I could take them or leave them so I'm not really pumped for them. For me it's pretty much just MJF and then hoping everything else is at least somewhat decent. Like if MJF actually wins the belt before he plays the fake Von Erich brother Lance that's interesting because what's next? Especially if he goes the babyface route and maybe he just shits all over Kenny Omega. I said shits, I meant shoots. lol
Really MJF against anyone is better than most scenarios. Even if he stays a babyface because there's still some people he hasn't fought that he can carry. I mean they gave PAC and Orange Cassidy world title matches what's stopping MJF v. Orange Cassidy for the belt? What's stopping MJF v. Darby Allin for the belt? Maybe Shawn Spears gets the big push idk lol.
there's still a lot of positive. Some good wrestling. Fun wrestling dork moments. And they do employ a lot of folks I like.
We were aware of Vince's limitations and flaws as a creative lead for a long time. And there were times when Vince could be brilliant. That said, I think there's a fairly established consensus that he was better (and this is true of basically every leader) when he had people he was listening to. As the circle shrank, and there were more "just my decision" moments, we saw even more of his limitations.
I think we're seeing that with Khan now. I do joke a lot about Khan. Because he gives us a lot to joke about. But he (and others) have built AEW into something worthwhile. And it was likely smart of him to consolidate a few things away from the EVPs, as he stated he did more than a year ago. But I think you're seeing his limitations now.
The beginning of every live event Justin runs down "Let's hear it for our Founder, Owner, President, General Manager, Creative director, Writer....Tony Khan". It is not any less egotistical than anything Vince has ever done. And really he's inexperienced. He has a lot of people in various places that have experience, but there's no evidence of a formal organizational structure. And when it's one person, you miss things, you get distracted, you drop the ball, etc. Over the last year, the limitations of how well tony's creative adapts on the fly, responds to the audience, etc has been made manifest.
I think Tony needs to figure out who is actual best creative people are, and empower them to make decisions.
It just shows that if Dixie was not only a money mark but a die hard wrestling fan mark TNA would've been huge. She didn't have the funds like Tony but she had enough and the support of Spike (sans promotion).
She had a very similar roster in terms of what they did in WWE, ECW, and WCW. Plus the unestablished guys like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, etc. But she also wound up with the same issue. She became too big of a mark and listened to certain people too often. I can't blame her. She didn't know any better and I don't think Jeff Jarrett leading the charge was any better or worse. Probably worse since he felt he needed to be the man when he was clearly not the top guy there.
*waves head* Never drew a dime.
Jarrett is one of those guys where I applaud him for TNA and always trying to keep a #2 or #3 promotion out there. On the flipside I do think about how even before the blame shifted to Hogan and Bischoff that he hindered their growth by taking up the spotlight.
Mjf is weak.
I hope they don’t just pull the old in cahoots swerve with MJF and the Firm. Have him go over Mox clean for a change and pass the torch.
When was the last time Mox got beat clean apart from Punk beating him in Chicago?
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I'm just glad we're going to see Jeff Jarrett v. Sting in 4 different decades.
i think they still have decent odds for pulling one off in 2030 as well.
50 years of Sting/Jarrett.
The rivalry nobody wanted, asked for, cared about it spanning 3 companies now lol. Jesus Christ I want to know what people who don't watch wrestling think when they turn on TNT for some odd reason and see Jeff Jarrett and Sting and Jericho still out there. Probably the same reaction people got when they randomly turned on WWE in 2002 and there was Hulk still dropping the leg winning World titles lol.
Now I’ve got this mental image of Jarrett and Sting in the nursing home trying to whack each other with crutches and walking sticks instead of bats and guitars.
When you think of the great rivalries of the last 30 years, Sting v. Jeff Jarrett has to be in the top 300 right?
Oh, easily.
I'd even have it ahead of Candice Michelle/Victoria.
Victoria joined the "I'm 50+ used to be a celebrity now I have an OnlyFans" club.
Don't OF shame. Victoria's a damn gem.
Wheelchair race around the arena
Taking it you were the first member.
Probably an easy way for her to get cash. Her restaurant/bar died during covid and she's not really in demand anywhere else.
Shit I don't have $24.99 to blow on Victoria. No offense but I have plenty of free peak Victoria content. I watch the podcast she does with Mickie James and So Cal Val quite a bit so that works too. She's incredible.
no shame just seems like there's been this surge of women around her age popping up on OF. Shout out to them .
is that a good pod?
Yes. The ones I've watched have been really good. There was a really good ep with Samoa Joe. It's a pretty chill show and SoCal Val....I never really heard her talk because she was basically a mute in TNA. She's very smart, Mickie and Victoria are great friends too and they have a lot of respect among their peers and the younger talent so they get a wide variety of guests.
Women in their 50s are hotter these days.
You seen Salma Hayek? Shakira? Hally Berry? Liz Hurley? Linda McMahon?
probably when he lost the iwgp us title to lance archer in the texas death match. don't know if you'd consider that clean, though. it's a hardcore match, but archer won within the rule set and didn't do anything underhanded or nefarious to get the victory
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