Originally Posted by Badger
Just don't ask me 2001 onwards, it gets all muddled for me there
Just don't ask me 2001 onwards, it gets all muddled for me there
Okay I won’t ask you things like when did Braun Strowman debut in WWE because that would be unfair on you.
Not 100% sure but I feel like it may have been the RAW after SummerSlam 2015?
Correct!
I've known Braun Strowman longer than I've known my wife
Think we’ve known each other longer too!I've known Braun Strowman longer than I've known my wife
People like the Young Bucks, Omega, etc need to understand that when you become "EVP", you don't get yo go fight your team members. Even if you want to.
Honestly, Tony gave them titles and equity to cash in on their brand, so he could launch his enterprise. Which, as I much as I criticize Khan (can't wait to watch jacksonville fuck up another draft this Spring. this time I'll watch in person), that was a good decision. But now, he makes it very clear at the start of every show that he wants to be seen as the only decision-maker. But I digress.
Agreed-The Bucks and Omega need to admit they were wrong. They were. They deserved suspension, (and probably term in a non-wrestling world). The only caveat I have on that is that their not being able to get along with CM Punk means anything else. Someone being your boy online, or at occasional shows and texts, and getting along with them as a co-worker are completely different worlds. And given everything that has happened, if there were more issues I would have expected this would be a good time for them to come out.
Meanwhile, Punk will probably spend the next 5 years shitting on Hangman for his promo, and "unprofessionalism" to a level that certainly Punk would never get to.
I'm curious. If WWE and AEW were in your town at the same time, which would you rather go see live?
I suppose which show it was would matter, so let's say a PPV event.
Tough question. I've only been to 2 ppvs ever, one was WWE the other was AEW. WWE has the better product right now but where I live, AEW probably wouldn't come back anytime soon whereas we get 1-2 televised shows a year plus a supershow.
WWE show all the way. Record the AEW one.
Been to house shows and a Raw but never a PPV.
I was gonna say, you don't get many PPVs, but then I remembered Insurrexion and things like that.
Yeah we used to.
Aside from Summerslam 92, One Night Only was my favourite. Stacked card and Michael’s drawing ultra-heat.
Why do I love FTR but think Dax Harwood is one of the most cringe wrestlers ever?
Is he the bald one? Always liked him, never really had an opinon on the other one.
Yep. I'm a fan of him in the ring but sometimes his promos and especially his social media activity can be less than desirable. The other day he posted about how he was getting weird looks (supposedly) for having black fingernail polish when he was at the gym. He proceeded to say he could kick everyone's ass and I'm just like, yeah man just stay in character cuz if this is really you...enough with the tough guy talk.
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They thrived in NXT, one has to wonder if they'd go back to a Triple H led WWE if given the opportunity.
They thrived in NXT, one has to wonder if they'd go back to a Triple H led WWE if given the opportunity.
Everyone and their mother hated the main roster compared to NXT.
Probably the WWE one. But could entirely depend on the card.
Been to two AEW shows in the past year or so. Had a solid time at each one.
I'm usually fortunate enough to catch at least a RAW a year. Sometimes Smackdown. But for whatever reason RAW seems to hit my cities more often.
Aside from the Royal Rumble, my favorite WWE event of the past 4 or 5 years was probably either an NXT takeover or an NXT house show. Portland had a good crowd.
He's probably just having a laugh.
Maybe but on the flipside he goes pretty deep on his social media. I don't see him saying "Ah I was just joking guys!" I think he prides himself on being real like when he spoke about HBK treating him like shit supposedly around the Klik.
I like his moustache.
It's crazy how FTR are like one of my favorite tag teams today, yet I still can't remember which name belongs to whom? Sane goes for the Usos. I'm a terrible wrestling fan.
they went to his locker room with the head of talent relations(chris daniels) and the head of the legal(megha parekh). it's basically been confirmed from all involved that punk and his side were the instigators of any physicality. by all accounts, they were not going in there with the intention to fight anybody.
Was it confirmed or debunked that the Bucks, Omega, et al forced the door open to the locker room? I haven't really heard anything more about that part of it.
If they did indeed force the door open it makes any sort of physical confrontation by Punk and crew more understandable and definitely warrants a suspension.
Until someone other than dirtsheet writers who are consistently wrong these days comes out and speaks on this i.e. Tony Khan or someone of worth beyond a wrestler, I'm going to say it's everyone's fault. Punk ran his mouth, invited anyone to come talk to him about it, and here we are.
I'm hoping Tony Khan is trying to get everyone on the same saraya and they can make a giant angle out of this.
for the last month the story has been pretty solidified. alvarez talked about it on an observer episode at the end of september:
"The thing about the brawl is there really aren't two sides of the story anymore. There were two sides of the story for a while but now pretty much both sides agree that CM Punk threw the first punch. The Punk side has backed off the kicking the door down thing. They have admitted [The Bucks] didn't kick the door down. The Young Bucks did go into the room. They didn't just go into the room with the head of legal. They went into the room with the head of legal (Megha Parekh) and the head of talent relations (Christopher Daniels). So they ain't kicking down the door and like I said, both sides agree they didn't kick down the door. Really the only disagreement at this point is were the Bucks aggressive? Punk's side admitted he threw the first punch. The only disagreement is was he actually in fear for his safety or did he just start punching?"
"Other than that, all sides are on the same page. I don't expect to see CM Punk in AEW again. I don't know about The Bucks and Kenny Omega. I don't know what they're thinking right now but I do know it's been a long time and nobody is communicating with anybody about anything. It has to be frustrating. So I don't know what they are thinking right now..."
Again...until someone with real credibility and not a dumbass dirtsheet writer gives us the actual story don't believe it.
Is this some kind of pisspoor gangbang joke?
Only if you want it to be you weirdo lol
The cool thing about written word is you can interpret it anyway you want.
Edit: The penny dropped.
I've read different reports, and Omega may possibly be a slightly different case. But I've read nothing that suggests it was a "cooler heads prevailing" moment.
Nope, if Morrithew quoted Alvarez then it's gospel. The man speaks, it happens it's the craziest thing. He couldn't make it himself, but he has made everything else possible through his wisdom.
So The Elite are back and Punk is planting weird ass stories about his dog getting beat up and being terrified that a school teacher was gonna shoot on him.
Where was the punk thing?
Well they want to arm school teachers these days.
Looked at the front page and another site is reporting that he told them he has had not contact with AEW since the incident and that Larry was hurt when the door was kicked in and it him and a vet had to remove a couple teeth.
So yeah honestly no one really knows what the fuck happened because different sites are reporting different things again.
Naw we should believe Bryan Alvarez because if you're not a CM Punk fan, his reporting paints Punk in the absolute wrong so that's who we should prop up.
@Defrost Are you just going with the pro-Omega stuff because he's living that soapland life?
If CM Punk ends up back in WWE, I'd say give him the Hall of Fame treatment, maybe one final match, let him relax and have fun, maybe help train the younger talent.
If anything had happened to the fucking mutt, we would not be just hearting about it now
Yeah it seems weird that it would just now come out about the dog.
Also if that had happened The Elite would not be coming back
What’s going on with Miro these days? I know there’s been injuries and movie filming/scheduling conflicts but he got brought back and disappeared again.
Although maybe somewhat easy and cliched to put all the blame on booking, it has played a big part. Dominant monster then they put him in that shit wedding angle with Kip, Penelope and the Best Friends. Second shit wedding angle he’s been booked in.
He seems on the surface relatively easy to book and get over (from what has been publicised. I realise there may be another side to the story as well). Rusev Day as face or just a monster heel yet there’s been struggles.
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How do you know? Ever been under investigation before? Sometimes you can't just go out and start popping off. You're getting your info from someone who wasn't backstage when it happened versus someone who was. Who you don't like. So imagine what side you're going to take....
Not really when it sounds like the investigation is wrapping up or is wrapped up. If the Elite are coming back that sounds like everything has been squared away.
You don't know that at all.
Probably a combo of both. The booking can only do so much. The comedy shit killed him. Rusev Day, pinball man, this Jesus shit has to be a joke right? Sometimes dumb shit gets over but it's not meant to last forever. Fandango is a prime example. Zack Ryder is another. He had those 2 terrible angles with Lana (Dolph/Summer Rae, Lashley/Liv) And that second Lana angle had a ton of tv time it was brutal. I went to the Christmas double shot Raw 3 years ago and having to sit there for 5-6 hours and half of it was them....ugh.
Even when he was TV champ they had him in that stupid angle with Fuego Del Sol which nothing for everyone involved. Why he can't just be what got him over, a Bulgarian killer with his Russian bride who-in character-can cut a great promo and get herself over....but instead we get Billy Mitchell segments and singing bald jobbers.
Rusev/Miro seems to be a funny chilled guy in real life from what I saw on UUDD but when it comes to the business and the persona that works, I think he should be booked as a monster either face or heel. No comedy BS or God references, just have him destroy.
I 100% believe that's what happened. Maybe it was him pushing for it, to show that side of him, but it backfired. I don't want to see fun loving comedic Roman Reigns for example. I didn't want to see a comedic Great Khali. It kills so much of you as a monster that when you try to go back I don't think it resonates the same.
Rusev/Miro seems to be a funny chilled guy in real life from what I saw on UUDD but when it comes to the business and the persona that works, I think he should be booked as a monster either face or heel. No comedy BS or God references, just have him destroy.
I think Miro could go back to WWE or maybe Japan and be able to pull that Bulgarian Brute persona back out and make it successful. In AEW it all seems so corny. This whole God's soldier gimmick it just feels very campy, very tongue in cheek. Religion is rarely taken seriously unless it's presented in a cult format. Even then you risk being hokey ala Ministry of Darkness. I just can't take Miro seriously when he's talking about how God gave him a hot wife who is very flexible in the bedroom....and I can't tell if we're supposed to be taken it seriously or if we're supposed to laugh when he's portrayed as a babyface lol.
Why on earth would God not show up to be HBK's tag partner, but he gives Miro a hot wife?
Or is this AEW God gimmick infringement?
I think I need to get laid.
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Would it shock anyone that a non-Christian would have a character on his show poking fun at the Kirk Cameron types?
Late to the party, but CM Punk getting the Chris Benoit treatment from AEW did make me chuckle to myself.
The particular example being when Jericho was mentioned on commentary as being one of only 2 men to hold the both the AEW and ROH World Titles. Much like in WWE where they say as many have won the Royal Rumble from entrant number one as have from number thirty. Or at least used to, when that was the case.
Back to AEW, all seems a bit blah to me at the moment. Not a lot going on right now that seems overly interesting, to me at least.
MJF is about it for me and it's not even the Moxley feud it's just the story of him possibly winning the World title. I'll be honest I haven't really been feeling anything since that weird Punk/Mox match where Mox squashed him. Then everything that happened with Punk and the Bucks/Omega which kind of took the steam out of the trios titles. I'm a huge fan of Moxley but he's kind of just there holding the spot MJF is about to take.
Does Jon Moxley still bounce off the middle rope?
Sadly no. I realized the other night when he was wrestling Daddy Magic that if Mox isn't in there with someone 4-5x better than him it's not a very good match to watch. Neither guy could find their rhythm and I think Mox has been wrestling way too often on tv.
They really needed to build the company around Moxley, Danielson, and Punk as the top faces. MJF, Wardlow, someone else as the top heels.
Phase out Jericho, he did his part in helping the company get noticed, but seems like a parody of his former self now. Seems like Bucks and Omega are shady characters (from what I've read/heard) so remove them too.
Jericho's always been one of those guys that I can only take in small doses. I never really cared for him until he got to the WWF and even then it's been pretty up and down. If he wasn't plastered all over AEW I probably would enjoy him more but it's the same delivery and presentation just a different nickname every 4 months. Plus how can a guy who spent 20 years complaining about the older guys getting all the tv time and pushes but here he is doing nothing to elevate anyone.
Yes, I'm not high on Jericho either these days. I have been in and past, massively, and he still has decent matches, but he's too prominent at the moment. Even more so considering his age.
Still like AEW plenty and still haven't missed a Dynamite, Rampage or PPV to date, but not a lot going on at present. Do enjoy MJF though, obviously.
And Taz.
I probably watch too much. Can't remember the last time anything relevant happened on Rampage. Deffo wouldn't bother with if if it was longer than an hour.
I never understood the love for Taz. His voice makes me want to put my head in a microwave and turn it on.
One of the few commentators who regularly makes me laugh.
I hate the commentary team. I think Jim Ross is out of place, Schiavone adds nothing, Taz is constantly fucking up and Excalibur is terrible. Does Big Show still do the C-show on youtube?
JR has no place there and Excalibur, I can see why people wouldn't like him. At least he's knowledgeable though and he can get a lot of info out in about 30 seconds when plugging shows.
I like Schiavone, but that's the nostalgia talking.
JR, Tony, and Tazz at the booth is pure nostalgia for me. I did like Tazz when he was with Michael Cole.JR has no place there and Excalibur, I can see why people wouldn't like him. At least he's knowledgeable though and he can get a lot of info out in about 30 seconds when plugging shows.
I like Schiavone, but that's the nostalgia talking.
Excalibur has knowledge but so much of it is useless. Imagine going to McDonalds, and the guy behind the counter gives you the complete history of the Big Mac sauce after you order it. And then when you start to leave he rattles off the next 15 upcoming deals they're going to have in a matter of 20 seconds lol.
I respect having knowledge, but learn to apply it when it matters. Like the time he talked about wrestling Malakai Black 15 years ago in Germany. Who fuckin cares? Who cares that Daddy Magic has loose history with the Young Bucks from a match in Jersey All Pro? At least when JR would drop the random "Kevin Nash played college ball for Tennessee" it was to enhance their athletic background so people didn't think they were just some fake ass dudes.
But I will say this, the people who AEW cater to definitely enjoy it. While I'm a huge fan of AEW I don't really care about things that happened that don't pertain to the storyline. Like Ethan Page and Darby Allin bringing up their history, it pertained to the story it wasn't just some random "Hey look at us we acknowledge other promotions!"
Jim Ross is out of place solely because of the matches he's trying to call he doesn't take seriously half the time. Who can blame him? But I'm sure if you put Gordon Solie at the booth in 2000 he'd sound out of place.
I have a theory that Excalibur prattling on and on about might actually be a running joke and he’s been told to act that way. Even when Regal shows up and says “Man In the Mask, how scrumptious and delicious are you looking tonight??” might be a nod to how deliberately boring Excalibur comes across. Excalibur himself is probably aware and laughs along with it.
As far as JR goes, while appreciating his obvious legendary run and appreciating what AEW are doing for him, maybe you might have a point in that it could be due to what’s put in front of him, but back in his heyday he could turn shit into funny gold. I’d love, miss and respect the man and his career but even then, his mistakes seem to be more glaringly obvious now with his lack of passion. Much as it pains me to say this, they need a better actor in the booth and wouldn’t hold it against AEW if JR was replaced down the line.
If you ever watched PWG, you would know this is just how Excalibur is. And he's calling matches that look a lot like a PWG match where it's nothing but spot after spot then some make out session and then another spot.
What I meant by JR is basically what I'm saying about Excalibur. JR's legendary match calling was for guys like Ric Flair, Stone Cold, The Rock, not so much Rey Mysterio and Jushin Liger. JR's a storyteller. He really came into his own in the WWF in the mid-late 90's when he was able to blend sports announcer and storyteller. Similar to Joey Styles. Everyone else, it's one or the other. Excalibur isn't a storyteller he just calls the matches, throws out random tidbits and stats.
The comedy stuff is what it is. I actually crack up watching Botchamania and they'll show one of those Dark matches that Tazz and Excalibur are doing and they're pretty funny too. JR being replaced isn't anything negative, he's damn near 70 years old. I would love to see him call a final match in WWE before he calls it a day.
Truth be told, not familiar with Excalibur’s work pre-AEW so if he’s always been like that then fair enough but he hasn’t been told to stop it by Khan et al so maybe still a bit of self-awareness I dunno.
It’s nice what they’re doing for JR and maybe he’s still enjoying it but then I see some articles where like Jericho he seems to be trying too hard to plug AEW to compensate them in return with anti-WWE bashing. Just a read so feel free to disagree. Since his commentary in the Mae Young Classic before he got here, felt he was a shadow of his former self a bit. Seems like they’re doing him too big a favour. Love the man and his legacy to bits but still feel his time is up and he gets a legendary send-off and HOF induction soon. No doubt he would be very well compensated. If Regal for example decides to hang up the boots on the BCC stuff, he’d be a great full-time vet replacement for JR.
Not watching it at the moment but Jarrett has shown up on Dynamite. He’s like shown up everywhere recently lol.
I don’t know what they see in him. In his hey day, great top midcard heel but wish he’d just retire gracefully.
This is hilarious. Get fucked Phil.
This is funny af. WCW 2.0 and shitting on Punk here we come!
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Plus Colt.
At this rate, Vince Russo’a going to show up before Christmas.
is fucking shibata really wrestling his second match back on rampage, in atlantic city, against orange cassidy? what timeline are we living in.
With Mike Tyson on commentary
All of the cocaine.
Listen I would have thumbed up this show just for the pettiness of the ROH Title match. Then you throw in Double J, Shibata, Rick Ross, and Lore. Fuck this may well be show of the year.
the absolute whiplash of shibata signing a contract for a match against OC immediately throwing to a rick ross backstage segment.
I haven’t watched it in full yet, just been getting social media breaking highlights but from the sounds of things, ever a show I wanted to watch stoned…this is probably it!
People are excited about jeff Jarrett in 2022?
Apparently so lol
I've seen it referred to as TNAEW
I’ve actually had this problem in my mind with TNA being my secondary wrestling problem for years after WWE. WCW was secondary before that lol. Thinking to myself at times on Dynamite night “Oh wonder what’s on TNA tonight?” and legit forget the AEW name. Maybe just me but force of habit for years.I've seen it referred to as TNAEW
TNA apart from the obv other sexual meaning lol just stands out more. Wish they hadn’t changed to Impact! It’s like calling WWE Smackdown!
AEW initials not so much standing out like TNA lol.
Saw a lot of chat on twitter last night before the show from Bryan Alvarez and the like about "something big" happening on Dynamite last night.
Mid-card career heel at best, apart from when he had buddies in the office in WCW or he was in charge. Genuinely hilarious.
Guessing it's more of a big deal in a non in-ring way, but even then, what has he ever really achieved?
This company has gone to shit pretty rapidly, in my opinion.
Jeff Jarrett in 2022.
Jeff Jarrett Vs. Billy Gunn in 2022, make it happen Tony!
I am being harsh, it was twitter stirring it up, it's not like AEW announced it as being a huge deal or anything, but it has clearly tickled me.
You mean are people excited about double J in double 2?
The answer is no.
A year ago, AEW made the biggest noise in pro wrestling, now… Colt Cabana.
Yikes on bikes.
IC title match against Michaels at an IYH PPV in 1995 probably the pinnacle of his in-ring career. It was a banger but probably the only memorable Jarrett match I would ever put in a memorable match list lol.Saw a lot of chat on twitter last night before the show from Bryan Alvarez and the like about "something big" happening on Dynamite last night.
Mid-card career heel at best, apart from when he had buddies in the office in WCW or he was in charge. Genuinely hilarious.
Guessing it's more of a big deal in a non in-ring way, but even then, what has he ever really achieved?
This company has gone to shit pretty rapidly, in my opinion.
Jeff Jarrett in 2022.
Jeff Jarrett Vs. Billy Gunn in 2022, make it happen Tony!
I am being harsh, it was twitter stirring it up, it's not like AEW announced it as being a huge deal or anything, but it has clearly tickled me.
100% agree here.
I've always hated his work. His punches for me were the weakest in the business, barring RVD's forearms. And my God, the overbooking of every main event he was ever in. Watch a WCW or TNA PPV with him in the main event and you may as well turn off before his match begins.
Apart from that match with Shawn, genuinely can't recall a match of his that I have ever enjoyed.
Those shitty balsa wood guitar shots every match too. Yawn.
And then he released a 4 disc DVD set when in TNA.
Using his dead wife to get over as a babyface in TNA was low as well.
Yeah, not his biggest fan.
Kurt Angle is not his biggest fan either.
Waiting enthusiastically for the news:
Ken Shamrock is ALL ELITE
Welcome to the team, Ken Shamrock
Meh. Call me when Steve Blackman is All Elite.
I'm probably the biggest AEW fan on this board but holy fucking shit that was a terrible show.
Moxley needs to stop wrestling so much. It exposes that he's not very good in the ring and while I think he's the best promo guy in the company I think less is more. You don't see MJF working every Dynamite and Rampage. Maybe Mox is that much of a draw they need him compared to others that can't get over.
Colt Cabana....that's a troll job and it's kind of sad that Tony allows that kind of childish behavior. But Tony is Bischoff and Jericho is Hogan so what can you do?
Shibata probably needs the money. I think he's a moron of a wrestler as it is despite enjoying a lot of his early, early work. If he wins the belt though, that'd be cool as long as he doesn't die trying.
Jeff Jarrett...........The only people who think this is cool are liars and AEW apologists. The real AEW fans, you could see them with a look of "what the fuck is this bullshit?" I agree with people who say this guy peaked in the 90's. I liked him in the midcard and he could work. I liked his stuff in the New Gen era, and I thought his feud with D-Lo was great, his tag team with Owen was great. But main eventer in WCW and TNA--no thanks. Murphy pretty much said everything I would say.
But I'm sure Conrad Thompson will say this was fucking incredible seeing the return of Seven I mean Jeff Jarrett. Seriously he came out rockin the Seven gear just minus the facepaint lol.
They could do Ken Shamrock v. Mike Tyson in AEW.
I mean Double J was cool as a guest entrant in the Royal Rumble a few years ago, but that's all it should have been. Having him as a guest referee at SummerSlam just because it was in Tennessee was pathetic. What on earth does JJ have to do with the Bloodline? Felt so forced.
Hopefully Tony is smart enough to just keep him executive and not on camera, but I doubt it.
Yeah this was the first AEW show I've been able to sit down and watch in a minute and holy shit...it was bad. Jeff Jarrett not only being there, and not only getting involved for whatever reason, but also being given mic time. It just took me out of the rest of the show.
Jarrett l, if I remember correctly, has done tremendous jobs on the live event side of things for many promotions. Raising tickets sales, making travel more viable and profitable.
While that is one side of the business aew really isn't that strong in, it makes sense to bring someone accomplished into that role. The flip side is if aew is going to start traveling and doing house shows more often I just wonder how a lot of the main event talent will look at it considering one of the main perks was less dates a year and basically making close to the same money you would in wwe. I mean of a lot of the big stars aren't going to be around for those shows and your main event is going to be some mid careers I don't think they are going to be doing that much business. Guess will have to wait and see.
As far as Jarrett being back in the ring I'm just hoping it's to put some talent over although if sting, punk and Jeff hardy couldn't get him to the next level I don't think double j is either.
Jarrett considered a worthy surprise in 2022 is such a letdown. When he was announced as guest ref at Summerslam I really was surprised but let down. He was only useful for interactions with Elias and as a Rumble surprise. What other dinosaurs and has-beens will AEW dig up next?
Name these promotions. TNA didn't draw $$$ doing live events, he was fired from the WWE after being there what, 8 months? Global Force never did anything but a few AAA ballfields. I'm curious where you even got any info that he's helped MANY MANY promotions....
You know what he did do? Killed WCW.
I'm sure I could easily go find the info as you could. However, I know for a fact of I pulled info you would still dispute it. So there's really no point.
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