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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    Ask Shane Douglas at any wrestling convention from the 90's to present day and he'll bitch out Paul E. over the $40,000 Paul still owes him.
    I'm just fascinated with the idea of wrestling conventions in the 90's because they were few and far between. Today there's one every fuckin weekend. I remember going to this thing called Fox Family Fun Fair back in the 90's and meeting Sunny and the Bodydonnas when they were tag champs. Or when the wrestling hall of fame opened up I met Verne Gagne and Lou Thesz. But actual conventions had to be rare.

    I just can't see Paul E sitting there in 1996 getting shit on in a shoot about what Dave Meltzer said about Taz's match with Tommy Dreamer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Iím also gonna jump in a time machine back to when you were Donald. You are forever and will always be Donald to me. Dave Wyndorf just isnít the same.
    Best of both worlds: maybe we rename him Donaldorf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Best of both worlds: maybe we rename him Donaldorf?
    I could go for Donaldorf!

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    Will always be Donald.

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    Dave Wyndorf is a fucking icon.

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    Random Darby Allin vs. Matt Hardy match?

    Wasn't Matt Hardy a babyface? Did he change in an ice machine again? Is he back to being Broken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    Random Darby Allin vs. Matt Hardy match?

    Wasn't Matt Hardy a babyface? Did he change in an ice machine again? Is he back to being Broken?
    Yeah that was super random. Matt tweeted something last week about how he can't wait for us to see the new Jeff Hardy and I was thinking maybe that's Matt next transformation. He's going to be both Matt AND Jeff Hardy. Half his face painted, he'll have the towel hanging, he'll do both hand symbols.

    Let's be honest. Jeff Hardy has no business and no reason to come back. That Darby Allin match was the match he should go out on. Put over a future Jeff Hardy in a Jeff hardy type match. Chance after chance after chance. He's literally burned every promoter he's worked for. WWE, TNA, ROH, AEW. The AEW one was pretty rough. He walks out on a match with the WWE, Matt goes to bat for him, and then months later he winds up in jail..........oh but he's clean.

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    Plus the contract tampering that AEW would later accuse WWE of

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    If AEW aren't ready, willing, or able to give Darby any kind of sustained singles push, maybe they could make him a semi-permanent tag-team partner with Matt Hardy?

    Keep Sting as a manager/mentor sort of role, but Matt Hardy is more willing to make TV dates and do TV matches than old-man Stinger. So, do that.

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    I'm sad we never got a Hardy Boys/FTR feud. Imagine babyface Hardy Boys vs. heel FTR in a proper clash of the two North Carolinian teams in AEW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    If AEW aren't ready, willing, or able to give Darby any kind of sustained singles push, maybe they could make him a semi-permanent tag-team partner with Matt Hardy?

    Keep Sting as a manager/mentor sort of role, but Matt Hardy is more willing to make TV dates and do TV matches than old-man Stinger. So, do that.
    Naw, Matt needs to go. Sting is in better condition than Matt is at this point. Darby needs to be on his own. The Sting partnership has never made sense beyond the facepaint and I just think it holds him back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    I'm sad we never got a Hardy Boys/FTR feud. Imagine babyface Hardy Boys vs. heel FTR in a proper clash of the two North Carolinian teams in AEW.
    It would be good because FTR can carry 2 wet noodles to a good match and the Hardyz, despite literally being broken, can still give enough to where the match wouldn't totally suck.

    But again, The Hardyz need to bounce. Matt behind the scenes wouldn't be too bad but Jeff is just a walking disaster. The wrestling industry is his enabler. Not his family, friends, but the industry itself. If he wasn't in one of the big 3 (WWE, TNA, AEW) he'd be wrestling at random indie spots pilled the fuck out and drunk.

    Oh wait...

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    The biggest thing Darby could do right now is turn on Sting.

    My own little booking would be to bring in Raven (in a wheelchair) to talk for him, talk about how he busted up his body for years and no one paid attention. How Sting is just using Darby to keep himself relevant, etc. Finally do the turn and put Darby with House of Black, who are rudderless without their leader.

    Buddy turns on HOB, leading to a singles match where Darby goes over, solidifying a new stable of Darby as the star, Raven as the manager, Brody as the muscle and Julia as the women's contender / maybe push a Darby/Julia relationship angle.

    Sting hangs out for awhile before eventually returning to put over Darby.

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    You know what would be a great gimmick/angle is someone called "Stable Killer". It can be a top guy like Jon Moxley, a future signee that's badass ala Jacob Fatu or Hammerstone, someone that can rid AEW of all these fucking stables. Start out with the smaller ones and work your way up. They can make a big deal about the rise and fall of the Dork Order, see ya later Best Friends, night night Blackpool Combat Club. There are 13 stables in AEW. Narrow it down to 4 and cut your losses Khan.

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    It's an easy way to get everyone on TV each week, maybe he's worried people will be pissed off if they aren' ton Dynamite everywherke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    It's an easy way to get everyone on TV each week, maybe he's worried people will be pissed off if they aren' ton Dynamite everywherke
    Everything you just said is why it's a problem and does nothing for the majority of the roster, the fans. Quality over quantity.

    They need to weed out talent. I would imagine by now Tony Khan has started to figure this out, that he needs to really focus on the roster and make it unbelievable. You want to talk about having more money than everyone and all this Eric Bischoff 1997 shit talk just remember one of Eric's double edged sword situations was a bloated roster. He had such a top heavy main event that the up and comers were not going to be there and when we did see them mix it up it was too late. Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, Konnan, they weren't the draws that Hogan, Nash, Sting, Goldberg, etc. were at that time even in the end of WCW.

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    Oh yes, Tony needs to trim the roaster at least in half. I think he probably doesn't want to lose anyone to HHH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    Oh yes, Tony needs to trim the roaster at least in half. I think he probably doesn't want to lose anyone to HHH
    I can see that. But I don't know if there's anyone that he would want that Tony would actually release. Maybe the other 2 guys from House of Black as it seemed he was pretty high on Buddy Murphy. Plus it would be super crazy to see him back with his real life gf Rhea Ripley and if they could turn that into an on-air angle considering the history he has with the Mysterios.

    I just think there are a lot of guys he just signed to have bodies and sadly never invested in. So he just throws them in a stable, and that's the end of it. We've talked about the maybe 1 or 2 guys out of how many that have benefited from being in a stable. Have a guy come in and just "Sting" these motherfuckers. Drop down and do some vicious move that takes them out. Mongo McMichael Tombstones?

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    I'd think anyone who was in nxt would be on HHHs radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    I'd think anyone who was in nxt would be on HHHs radar.
    Maybe. Some of the guys that were in NXT that are in AEW were not used very well to begin with.

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    Blaze one in support of the American Dragon. ROH, WWE, soon to be AEW. IWGP title has to be next.

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    Saraya…. Holy
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    Nice to see Paige/Saraya!

    And the Acclaimed have arrived!! About time they got the belts!

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    Jericho winning was hilarious. That was exactly the type of "World" title run Cesaro would get by the evil WWE. Fuckin Ocho lol.

    The tag title scene is all over the place or maybe Swerve/Lee was just extremely forgettable. The Acclaimed...I'll be honest I can't remember a single tag team match they've won but they're entertaining in a Disco Inferno/Alex Wright kind of way so good on them.

    Pac v. Orange Cassidy. I'm 50/50 on OC but I love watching PAC do his thing. The one glaring issue of last night's show-way too many fuckin botches. Holy fuckin shit it was like watching my friends and I back in 1999 after a few bowls and No Mercy lol. From the very first match with 2 top tier grapplers it was botch after botch after botch.

    4-way women's match. Shout out to Britt Baker for smearing her fuckin blood on Toni Storm's face. Saraya....I'll be honest it didn't register that it was page I was actually thinking it was SARITA from TNA so when she came out I was like ok this is wild but what's her status? Is she wrestling? I'll say this...and not because she's a woman, but that image of her, breaking down like a dying cyborg is burned in my brain forever.

    Not sure why they went with Moxley other than I think many online were predicting Danielson would win. I think Mox winning and Jericho winning were pretty terrible decisions and done solely as a swerve. What, Mox is going to drop the belt in a couple weeks again to MJF? Love Moxley, deserves better.

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    Is Paige debuting Tony's ace up his sleeve?

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    The number of short term title runs just blows my mind. There's no flow to a lot of these title changes. Good call on Acclaimed but whoever the champs were prior to Swerve is who they should have won the titles from. This hot potato shit is like me playing WWE 2K and creating a title match every week for the sake of having a new champ.

    If it's me and you have your full roster available here's what I would have:

    MJF as top champ, just because you know it's coming sooner than later, getting into a program with Danielson to get the title. You're right, Moxley deserves better. The rate this is going he'll pass Flair in a couple years or less.
    Wardlow as TNT champ seems about right, or Allin (without Sting)
    Bucks as tag champs (and as heels) - don't think anyone gives a fuck about the Gunn club and Acclaimed as faces defeating the Bucks would've been big but things happen
    Women's champ - Baker
    TBS champ - Jade, or just don't have the title at all
    ROH title - Claudio was perfect for this. Jericho doesn't need a championship. They really fucked that up.

    I'm not counting the Transylvania 6-5000 title they recently invented to have another title. Other than that did I miss any?

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    It really feels like AEW dropped the ball completely with Wardlow.

    Oh and real quick, shout out to 2002 with Trina and Fabolous. Actually might be more like 1999 but who cares lol. Even my non-hip hop listening best friend remembered Trina (high school right? yep lol)

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    I haven't watched yet but read what happened. Danielson should have won in my view. Could have added some more layers to him and Garcia and Jericho. Plus Danielson gets a win over everyone that has beat him since he came to AEW. Break glass in case of emergency was done already with Moxley earlier this year. Having him in the tournament is fine but let Danielson have a run with it and let Moxley take his vacation.

    We have seen MJF and Moxley before. Granted this will be better I admit and maybe that is why the went with Moxley to continue stuff with Danielson and Garcia and Jericho and what not.

    I was not a fan of the Acclaimed at first but I have become a fan over time and glad to see them win. I mean I still would love to see FTR with all the titles but probably not going to happen. I am sure they will drop the AAA or IWGP belts in the coming months.

    Saraya in AEW. I am for it as long as she can go.

    Not happy that Claudio dropped belt to Jericho. That was not needed. ROH needs their own shows and Claudio and Joe and Lethal are good people to carry that brand. Jericho is not needed and if they get their own programming soon he won't stay there long. He bring some star power but he is an AEW guy and that is where he will be.

    Some just quick thoughts.

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    I didn’t expect Danielson to win at all. It’d have been nice but thought it was obvious they were setting up MJF/Moxley so wasn’t surprised in the slightest Moxley won.

    Agreed that Jericho shouldn’t have won the ROH belt though and they were too quick on getting it off of Claudio.

    Also agree that they have dropped the ball a bit on Wardlow. He was hot but his booking ever since MJF has been cold. Needs a good competitive feud stat rather than the squashes he’s been mainly getting.

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    Yeah just seems like they are cruising along with Wardlow with nothing meaningful going on since winning the title

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    Gotta say I'm surprised Jericho is still going at this point. Would have thought he'd put wrestling behind him and focus on his rock career by now.

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    Anyone who says it was OBVIOUS Moxley was going to win (@Badger) totally full of shit lol. There was nothing that screamed "Obvious" What, because the Dynamite after the ppv they had a little segment?

    Also, is MJF's title shot date set in stone? I always thought it was like money in the bank only without the spontaneous pop up match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    Gotta say I'm surprised Jericho is still going at this point. Would have thought he'd put wrestling behind him and focus on his rock career by now.
    1 "hit" song in 25 years...He knew his worth lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    1 "hit" song in 25 years...He knew his worth lol.
    I stopped listening to them after their 3rd album. I wouldn't know if they've had any hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    I stopped listening to them after their 3rd album. I wouldn't know if they've had any hits.
    Oh I just assumed that Judas song everyone sings was a hit. They even played a snippet of it on Cobra Kai's newest season lol.

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    Jericho winning I did predict. Not a good call, in my opinion. The dude has been in too many big matches recently. Not that the ROH title is particularly meaningful, but still.

    Nice to see Saraya. Hope she can compete ok.

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    Yeah I’d say Jericho lately needs to be putting more people over at his age rather than winning and getting belts. Although if this is a slow burn to Garcia turning proper face and getting a huge win over Jericho then can somewhat understand it. I still say that Eddie should’ve got the last laugh in their feud and won that barbed wire match.

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    I mean it makes you wonder, if Punk didn't get stripped would Danielson have beat Jericho anytime soon?

    The problem with Jericho is that he's not and never will be at a position to be able to get people over by beating them like Hogan or Flair. Why? The way he's been booked the majority of his career. He didn't beat Austin/Rock because he was better in every way, it was to shock us all because he was the least favored to win out of the 4. His multiple times coming back to the WWE and putting every new guy and old guy over makes a lot of this stuff meaningless.

    So Jericho going over MJF, Danielson, Cesaro, etc. it does nothing for these guys. It will do nothing for David Garcia. Just like Garcia beating Danielson wasn't that big of a deal. Why? Because prior to Mania 37 or whatever Danielson was working with Gulak and losing to everyone under the sun as it is. These guys that they move in and out of the midcard and main event, there's a reason for it.

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    Yeah he shouldn’t be beating David Garcia.

    Btw Nash were you jumping out of your chair when MJF merked Wheelsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Yeah he shouldn’t be beating David Garcia.

    Btw Nash were you jumping out of your chair when MJF merked Wheelsy.
    Daniel David who gives a fuck the guy can't talk wrestles a boring style fuck him. lol

    I felt bad for Wheeler in that segment. The guy has to know he fuckin sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Oh I just assumed that Judas song everyone sings was a hit. They even played a snippet of it on Cobra Kai's newest season lol.
    That was a good scene

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    That was a good scene
    I mean it was 4 seconds of the song so I don't know if I would consider that a "scene" lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Daniel David who gives a fuck the guy can't talk wrestles a boring style fuck him. lol

    I felt bad for Wheeler in that segment. The guy has to know he fuckin sucks.
    As soon as they advertised Wheeler Yuta cutting a promo, you were the first person I thought of!

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    nah. Coming in singing "judas", and then going into his place quickly conveyed what you needed to know about Stingray at that moment in life.

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    Stingray is a great character. Not the God-level fantastic ness that is Chozin but a great character.

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    Not a fan of Stingray because all I can think about is his character in Kingdom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    As soon as they advertised Wheeler Yuta cutting a promo, you were the first person I thought of!
    When MJF came out I about threw my head into the tv like Jennifer Caulfield. I thought, they're going to try and give Yuta the rub working a small program with MJF before MJF moves on to beat one of his boys in the Cuckclub.

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    Stingray’s great comic relief and this scene:

    Daniel: “I refuse to fight children!”
    Stingray: “Hold my beer!”


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    Does MJF win the title before Full Gear on Nov 19th?

    Who is his first post-Moxley World title feud?

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    Think it should be at Full Gear.

    And Wardlow for the history. In a proper match this time.

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    Is Stingray vs Shark Boy possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Think it should be at Full Gear.

    And Wardlow for the history. In a proper match this time.
    I agree about the ppv.

    Wardlow would be cool. He can come in, say he squashed MJF not too long ago so what does that say about the World title compared to the TNT title?

    See I'm hoping Wardlow and Joe start feuding soon and they unify the TNT with the ROH TV title. Wardlow with a big win, gets back on track from the absolute fumble of a job AEW has done with Wardlow since winning the TNT title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    Is Stingray vs Shark Boy possible?
    God I want to see this now!

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    AEW's been acting like it's 2002 so why not grab the #1 guy in TNA 2002 but Shark Boyyyyyyy

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    The sooner they get ROH off AEW shows the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    It really feels like AEW dropped the ball completely with Wardlow.
    What happened there? I thought he was super over and ready for big moves after the MJF thing wrapped? Then they put him back into the midcard, albeit with a title?

    Jericho going over doesn’t make sense.

    Saraya/Paige isn’t actually going to wrestle, is she?

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    I'm thinking they put the title on Jericho because he's a big name and may help to get a ROH weekly TV show. 9 out of 10 people knows who Chris Jericho is. 0.1/10 people know who Claudio Canolli is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    What happened there? I thought he was super over and ready for big moves after the MJF thing wrapped? Then they put him back into the midcard, albeit with a title?

    Jericho going over doesn’t make sense.

    Saraya/Paige isn’t actually going to wrestle, is she?
    Part of me appreciates that they put him with FTR and that Lethal/MCMG match was very very good. The other part of me realizes that it's kind of hard to go from MJF to something bigger or equal. TNT title was a smart move and again I have my personal fantasy booking ideas for what's next. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a rematch with MJF as World champ defending against Wardlow, TNT champ or not. It could be at the ppv after Full Gear, keep both guys strong and MJF can tie it up. Down the road we get the rubber match.

    I don't think Saraya Paige is wrestling-I hope not at least. Can anyone honestly shake that image of her collapsing like a sand castle? I can't. She proved she can be a top tier non-wrestler. GM as Smackdown, manager of Kabuki Warriors. The last thing I want is for her to go out there with these irresponsible wrestlers and get fuckin dumped on her head because Ember Moon is daydreaming about Harry Potter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    I'm thinking they put the title on Jericho because he's a big name and may help to get a ROH weekly TV show. 9 out of 10 people knows who Chris Jericho is. 0.1/10 people know who Claudio Canolli is.
    Honestly that's a fair statement to make about Jericho's name value but on the flipside I still feel like this is more NWA than ECW working with WWF in the Attitude Era. It's still crazy to me that Tony didn't just change one of the YouTube shows into an ROH showcase. Air the old matches with the new stuff. Introduce the history while getting your newer guys exposure.

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    Good fucking god, I thought Ricky crippled Hobbs. Think Excalibur did as well. Christ.

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    Great Muta was a surprise!

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    I love reading into things so what do you think it means when AEW's promotional partner NJPW ran an angle where David Finlay threw a chair into Will Ospreay's face?

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    Jade….this may or may not be considered a hot take. Great look and marketable no doubt but tbh I am more than bored with this run. She is still average as a worker IMO and has potential in that area but it’s about time for a change. This long run is not entirely hitting with me.

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    Even if they don't air it Jade should be working with Emi Sakura on every taping they have. She'll get good really fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    Dave Wyndorf is a fucking icon.
    So is Donald

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    So is Donald
    Dave Wyndorf = Rocky Maivia
    Donald = The Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    I love reading into things so what do you think it means when AEW's promotional partner NJPW ran an angle where David Finlay threw a chair into Will Ospreay's face?
    That's your a dumbfuck?



    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Jade….this may or may not be considered a hot take. Great look and marketable no doubt but tbh I am more than bored with this run. She is still average as a worker IMO and has potential in that area but it’s about time for a change. This long run is not entirely hitting with me.
    Great look and marketable, so she has all you need to make money in this business and then some. The workrate doesn't matter. If workrate mattered NOAH would be the most watched promotion on the planet.

    Her problem is the lack of quality angles and AEW struggles outside of MJF, Moxley, and Jericho to make any angle compelling. The women are an afterthought. I'm curious who they are looking at as the one to give Jade her first L. Jade needs more than just telling people to cut the shit. If I'm Tony Khan I'd just say fuck it and have her beat Toni Storm for the women's title, vacate the TBS title and get a run as World champ. If you're going to book her like Goldberg don't hold back.

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