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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    The funniest thing I've seen so far on this is someone calling the scrum "The Gripebomb"
    Ahahafdghhaaaaa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBain View Post
    Well, we'll have a clearer idea soon. Rumours that Punk and Steel may be gone, which would be quite the ballsy move. If the Bucks did kick the door down though it paints a somewhat different picture - more suitable for mediation than coming down hard on one side.
    It should also be noted Ace's wife has a broken foot so if the Bucks did bust into the room where she was there's a very good chance Ace came in firing off like a madman trying to protect his wife first and foremost knowing she was hurt and possible couldn't get out of harms way in time.

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    By Ace's wife, you mean CM Punk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    The funniest thing I've seen so far on this is someone calling the scrum "The Gripebomb"
    That's actually pretty good

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    It should also be noted Ace's wife has a broken foot so if the Bucks did bust into the room where she was there's a very good chance Ace came in firing off like a madman trying to protect his wife first and foremost knowing she was hurt and possible couldn't get out of harms way in time.
    Even if she wasn't in there with a broken foot, I'd argue that someone breaking into a locked or closed room would justify an elevated response from whomever was in the room. IF the Bucks truly did kick the door open then Steel's response is a bit more understandable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    Even if she wasn't in there with a broken foot, I'd argue that someone breaking into a locked or closed room would justify an elevated response from whomever was in the room. IF the Bucks truly did kick the door open then Steel's response is a bit more understandable.
    Absolutely. If the Bucks kicked in the door, they should be suspended as well.

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    There is on way the Young Bucks and Omega's pussy asses kicked the door down like they were the nWo lol. Everyone involved but maybe Ace Steel is a whiny fake tough guy and this is what happens when fake tough guys fight. It's pulling hair, biting, sucker punches, it's a bunch of girls in 7th grade and I'm lovin it lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Why would Tony Khan allow something like this to happen. He has shown how ruthless he can be, but he isn't here?
    When has Tony Khan ever shown how ruthless he can be?? LOL He didn't ALLOW this to happen. He was still taking questions at the media scrum. These wrestlers walk all over this motherfucker especially the ones with actual clout. He's a 40 year old EWR mark that has lived his entire life with his family money as a shield--he's about to find out money doesn't make you bulletproof.

    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Sure did, backstage turmoil with the likes of Hogan, Piper, Savage etc was full on used to push their angles to another level which whilst people weren't as privy to the backstage stuff then helped the intensity in the 80s.

    Bret v Shawn unfolding was the first steps into the Attitude Era, made Vince the heel he needed to be and through the mess off their backstage fighting led to Austin, HHH coming through.

    Guess the problem here is that I can't see Punk biting down and working with the Elite to actually make all this turn into money but if they could get professional then it could be a huge draw if AEW turned it into an angle.
    I'm going to work backwards in responding. Honestly I don't think they should turn this into an angle because it wouldn't draw and just makes AEW look like a bunch of bitches. Who's the heel here? Punk? Why? He wasn't wrong. Neither were the Elite for responding like men instead of going to Meltzer and Alvarez.

    There's a difference between real fights and rumored arguments. Piper has said many times him and Hogan never had any issues backstage with each other. Hogan and Savage? There's a rumor Savage punched him in 1993, 5 years after their feud, over Miss Elizabeth. And yeah the WWE got fuckin lucky with the aftermath of Montreal but it's apples and oranges. Bret and Shawn got into a fight yes, but they didn't turn any of that into a storyline. If you notice, Bret and Shawn don't even wrestle until what, 4 months later when Bret is already on his way out to WCW?

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    Doubt losing CM Punk would do much. They were getting close to 1 million each Dynamite before CM Punk. Not sure about PPVs. Merchandising would take a hit but the void left by CM Punk would be an opportunity for someone else.

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    CM Punk is a nice bonus but wasn't needed. If he did leave, I wonder if we would get CM PUNK chants on every AEW show now.

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    Tony loves him, cannot seem him terminating him. Punk is by far the biggest star in the company.

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    I think Tony will have to do something whether it's a suspension or termination. He can't let the precedent be set that you can go to a scrum and trash the EVPs, bitch and moan about whatever else Punk moaned about. Tony has to keep locker room morale in mind as well. Is it better to have one pissed off suspended employee in Punk, or a whole locker room of employees who are angry that he's playing favorites and Punk is the golden child? Just speaking from my experiences with managing large groups of people, it's a pain in the ass when everyone things one employee can do whatever they want without penalty.

    And, like Mazer said, if the Bucks really did kick in a door and create a physical problem where there wasn't one, they need a suspension as well. That's a dangerous precedent as well. Employees who escalate situations from verbal to physical need discipline.

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    I mean, CM Punk did say if anyone had something to say to him, come fuckin bring it. And they brought it.

    Honestly everyone involved has a claim for being right, and for being wrong. Punk was right for venting, just wrong for the way he went about it. Elite were right for confronting someone talking mad shit and inviting those people to say something, but they were wrong for taking the bait as executives and as talent.

    But this is just another of many examples of how unprofessional AEW truly is. Cool, they have great catering, but they don't give a shit about their talent. How many wrestlers have been KO'd on live tv/ppv since they've been around? 4? Not even a month ago Dragon Lee was knocked the fuck out and what'd they do? Carried on like idiots. But you can bet your ass the Buck who got KO'd, he's taking some time off lol.

    Bottomline this is what happens when children in adult bodies are given free reign. Some handle it better than others. I mean seriously, who's going to take Tony Khan seriously? He was buried by the #1 guy in his company and just cowered. It's a shame. I can't imagine any legit promoter, including Dixie Carter or Bischoff, being dressed down like Tony was by anyone idgaf it's Hogan, Nash, Austin, The Rock, none of these promoters would take that shit.

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    CM Punk sure loves to run his mouth. Right or wrong, it gets people talking. It seems that any time he's talking he's playing victim and that gets tiresome.

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    Tk should fire everyone involved.

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    Tony needs to get control of the locker room, and state that none of this is tolerable. Firing his biggest star and executives of the company would be a great way to show the roster he is not messing about.

    Of course they would need to review exactly what happened, as some people might be worthy of a suspension.

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    I think they all need punishment of some sort. They all did stupid shit.

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    Not confirmed by AEW as of yet but Fightful Select are reporting that they are of the belief that Malakai Black has been released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Not confirmed by AEW as of yet but Fightful Select are reporting that Malakai Black has been released.
    I'd say I hope he comes back home to WWE, but it looks like he's dealing with something personal and may never come back to pro wrestling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    I'd say I hope he comes back home to WWE, but it looks like he's dealing with something personal and may never come back to pro wrestling.
    Yeah first and foremost I hope he’s okay.

    Put in “they are of the belief” in original post for accuracy.

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    Black got the bone on the main roster going as far back as that random team with Ricochet. But the fact they released him a few days after returning and attacking Big E, made no sense. Honestly none of the releases are making sense when the rumor was $$$$. So did Braun say fuck it, give me half of what you offered last time? I know some of the returns in WWE were people who just didn't re-sign (Gargano) but outside of that it's like shit...maybe we will see Black make a comeback. His wife is there, maybe that's a big part of the mental struggle he's having.

    You know who I think should go back to WWE is Andrade. His run in AEW has been terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeseToTheFace View Post
    CM Punk sure loves to run his mouth. Right or wrong, it gets people talking. It seems that any time he's talking he's playing victim and that gets tiresome.
    Very true. CM Punk is someone that I've said for years just reminds me of the typical poser punk kids I grew up with. They all pretended to be edgy and tough, but they were all extremely sensitive and entitled.

    I think honestly what is pissing me off about this as a fan is that Punk is one of my all time favorites but now he's making me somewhat side with the Young Cucks and Kinny. The fact I'm giving props to those guys for taking Punk up on his challenge pisses me off lol.

    It's funny.....AEW has so many fuckin people that you could release all 4 of them and it wouldn't matter. When you have Jericho, Moxley, Danielson, and then the younger cats like MJF, Darby Allin, Dante Martin, you don't really need them. Punk is made of glass, always been very injury prone since he first started wrestling. The other 3 have been around and probably fit better in Japan anyway. Fuck em all. Nobody missed them when they were gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Black got the bone on the main roster going as far back as that random team with Ricochet. But the fact they released him a few days after returning and attacking Big E, made no sense. Honestly none of the releases are making sense when the rumor was $$$$. So did Braun say fuck it, give me half of what you offered last time? I know some of the returns in WWE were people who just didn't re-sign (Gargano) but outside of that it's like shit...maybe we will see Black make a comeback. His wife is there, maybe that's a big part of the mental struggle he's having.

    You know who I think should go back to WWE is Andrade. His run in AEW has been terrible.
    Co-sign on that and Andrade. Andrade has had good matches but just not feeling this gimmick/stable and can’t see him rising any further than where he already is.

    Like that segment where he and Jose randomly attacked/stun gunned Ten and Uno though aware it was to set up Hangman to be in the Trios Dark Order team was still cringe as fuck. He deserves better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Co-sign on that and Andrade. Andrade has had good matches but just not feeling this gimmick/stable and can’t see him rising any further than where he already is.

    Like that segment where he and Jose randomly attacked/stun gunned Ten and Uno though aware it was to set up Hangman to be in the Trios Dark Order team was still cringe as fuck. He deserves better.
    That's kind of AEW's thing. All these wrestlers can go in the ring for the most part, but a lot of the non-wrestling is really bad. For example, Andrade...Why did he and Rush turn on Dragon Lee? Why did nothing come of that it's been 3-4 weeks now....That stable is terrible. But it really feels like since his debut, which was lackluster, AEW are just glad to have a body. AEW relies on 3 things: CM Punk, Chris Jericho, and debuts lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Tony loves him, cannot seem him terminating him. Punk is by far the biggest star in the company.
    ...but it's a work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Tony loves him, cannot seem him terminating him. Punk is by far the biggest star in the company.
    Ever heard of Chris Jericho?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greebull View Post
    Ever heard of Chris Jericho?
    Ever heard of Sting!!!?!?!?!? Sting is EASILY the biggest name in AEW.

    But who's the #1 ratings draw in that company? Jericho? Sting? Nope, it's Punk. TNA had Hulk Hogan for fuck's sake and couldn't draw flies to shit.

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    I've been reading several people such as FTR and Jack Hager are not in the upcoming AEW video game. Why is this? I couldn't find a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Tony loves him, cannot seem him terminating him. Punk is by far the biggest star in the company.
    No offense mate but no.

    Easily a lot of reasons. Assuming this stuff is true which I am leaning that it is. Legal issues, misconduct, pressure from sponsors, directors and other shareholders to keep the company image alive. Also the fact that as others have pointed out, Punk is not the biggest star of the company. Do you even watch AEW as haven’t even seen you comment in this thread up until today. In a polite way, maybe better to at least do research before jumping to immediate conclusions like it’s a work.

    Punk is far far from untouchable and his own mouth/cocky attitude has got him in hot water on more than one occasion.

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    Even if this mess is somehow all a work, it is not doing anybody any favours.

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    I would literally ban anyone who keeps suggesting this may be a work lol. This is why I'll never be a mod.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    I've been reading several people such as FTR and Jack Hager are not in the upcoming AEW video game. Why is this? I couldn't find a reason.
    DLC/unlockable content. Nothing really new when you think about games since the late 90's until 2K22 where not everyone-including big names were not on the roster immediately. I spent like 2 months playing No Mercy to get enough money to unlock Ken Shamrock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    No offense mate but no.

    Easily a lot of reasons. Assuming this stuff is true which I am leaning that it is. Legal issues, misconduct, pressure from sponsors, directors and other shareholders to keep the company image alive. Also the fact that as others have pointed out, Punk is not the biggest star of the company. Do you even watch AEW as haven’t even seen you comment in this thread up until today. In a polite way, maybe better to at least do research before jumping to immediate conclusions like it’s a work.

    Punk is far far from untouchable and his own mouth/cocky attitude has got him in hot water on more than one occasion.
    As I said, Punk is the biggest draw in the company and that's fact. Casual fans for sure know guys like Sting, Big Show, Mark Henry, Goldust, Jericho more than Punk but they're not as big of a draw these days. Jericho comes on tv the numbers drop.

    I also think people are looking at this like it's the WWE. Honestly if you think about the other shit AEW has done, on live tv/ppv, this is pretty tame. It's just being overblown because A-we don't know what truly happened and B-many people pretend like AEW is bulletproof, that they can do no wrong and shit that happens in WWE, TNA could NEVER happen there. Wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I would literally ban anyone who keeps suggesting this may be a work lol. This is why I'll never be a mod.



    DLC/unlockable content. Nothing really new when you think about games since the late 90's until 2K22 where not everyone-including big names were not on the roster immediately. I spent like 2 months playing No Mercy to get enough money to unlock Ken Shamrock.



    As I said, Punk is the biggest draw in the company and that's fact. Casual fans for sure know guys like Sting, Big Show, Mark Henry, Goldust, Jericho more than Punk but they're not as big of a draw these days. Jericho comes on tv the numbers drop.

    I also think people are looking at this like it's the WWE. Honestly if you think about the other shit AEW has done, on live tv/ppv, this is pretty tame. It's just being overblown because A-we don't know what truly happened and B-many people pretend like AEW is bulletproof, that they can do no wrong and shit that happens in WWE, TNA could NEVER happen there. Wrong.
    Even if by the stats he technically may draw more at some points than other guys like Chicago and haven’t done stat analysis on that. The main point to Rom was he is not untouchable as no-one is I think really. Ballsy to fire him? Sure yeah but while a big hole may be left it’s still not the end of the world. Still well-known stars and young talent they can grow off of if managed and controlled properly.

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    I think John Cena is untouchable. It was in his theme song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    I think John Cena is untouchable. It was in his theme song.
    Huganomics

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    Punk being injured sounds almost nailed on at this point. Mox's line about fragile body sounds even more accurate. I wonder if this makes it more likely they'll cut their losses.

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    So in 24 hours we should assume we'll hear about an interim trios championship match and another interim World championship match? Or they just gonna vacate both and back to square one?

    Even if I say I do, I really don't find joy in any of this. It's kind of sad reading tweets/comments about how this is more entertaining than the actual wrestling product in any company blah blah blah. This is why reality tv people make a billion on make up.

    People will mention Shawn/Bret or Booker T/Batista but these are different ani

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Even if by the stats he technically may draw more at some points than other guys like Chicago and haven’t done stat analysis on that. The main point to Rom was he is not untouchable as no-one is I think really. Ballsy to fire him? Sure yeah but while a big hole may be left it’s still not the end of the world. Still well-known stars and young talent they can grow off of if managed and controlled properly.
    You don't have to, Tony Khan already did at the ppv where Punk won the title. It wasn't just Chicago either. Let's not downplay the value CM Punk still has, because yes "technically" matters lol.

    It would be ballsy to fire him. That doesn't take away from anyone else on the roster that is a major star as well. IF Punk doesn't get fired he'll be around for a bit. Maybe not wrestling every week but he'll be there and he isn't destined to be the #1 guy forever. The intention for a guy in Punk's shoes is to sprinkle what little star power he has left and elevate. Nobody can convince me he didn't elevate MJF. That kid was on his way but the Punk feud was THE defining moment. Even if he never does anything good again, that will forever be-imo-one of the best angles in the modern era, maybe in all 35+ years of me being a fan, could be top 10 it was that incredible.

    I agree, dude isn't bulletproof we all know that everyone is expendable even Roman Reigns depending on the circumstances. Look at Vince. Took 40 years to dethrone that guy. Vince is just like most of us men, destroyed by temptation lol. CM Punk....#1 guy in AEW but they did fine with him they'll do fine without him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    So in 24 hours we should assume we'll hear about an interim trios championship match and another interim World championship match? Or they just gonna vacate both and back to square one?

    Even if I say I do, I really don't find joy in any of this. It's kind of sad reading tweets/comments about how this is more entertaining than the actual wrestling product in any company blah blah blah. This is why reality tv people make a billion on make up.

    People will mention Shawn/Bret or Booker T/Batista but these are different ani



    You don't have to, Tony Khan already did at the ppv where Punk won the title. It wasn't just Chicago either. Let's not downplay the value CM Punk still has, because yes "technically" matters lol.

    It would be ballsy to fire him. That doesn't take away from anyone else on the roster that is a major star as well. IF Punk doesn't get fired he'll be around for a bit. Maybe not wrestling every week but he'll be there and he isn't destined to be the #1 guy forever. The intention for a guy in Punk's shoes is to sprinkle what little star power he has left and elevate. Nobody can convince me he didn't elevate MJF. That kid was on his way but the Punk feud was THE defining moment. Even if he never does anything good again, that will forever be-imo-one of the best angles in the modern era, maybe in all 35+ years of me being a fan, could be top 10 it was that incredible.

    I agree, dude isn't bulletproof we all know that everyone is expendable even Roman Reigns depending on the circumstances. Look at Vince. Took 40 years to dethrone that guy. Vince is just like most of us men, destroyed by temptation lol. CM Punk....#1 guy in AEW but they did fine with him they'll do fine without him.
    Wasn’t meaning to downplay as such. I do realise his contributions and value and was excited personally to see him get a second chance and loved his opening moments. His MITB match against Cena one of my all time favourites. I realise at the time it was a big coup On his overall body of work over the years (from what I’ve seen, admittedly didn’t follow him as early as some of you guys so the pain may hurt for others than me, IMO as @Mazer said, mean promo but average wrestler by comparison to others.

    As a person though, always thought he was a pleb so not overly sad or emotional if he ends up fired. Though I have taken the piss a bit in this thread with him, deep down I’m really disappointed.

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    Work or not obviously you do a Punk/FTR vs Bucks/Omega match from this. I mean it's like printing money and obviously Tony started this company to really compete with WWE, not to just hang out with the wrestlers he likes.

    Obviously.

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    Not even shoot boy MJF was allowed to utter the name CM Punk

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    What about the people who just watch the show and don't read dirt sheets/watch the press conference? They tuned in today with no explaination, they could have at least blurred the lines. Has the potential to be one of the biggest storylines of recent times and theyve basically just gone quiet on it. Weak.

    Punks been removed from the show intro too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero View Post
    What about the people who just watch the show and don't read dirt sheets/watch the press conference? They tuned in today with no explaination, they could have at least blurred the lines. Has the potential to be one of the biggest storylines of recent times and theyve basically just gone quiet on it. Weak.

    Punks been removed from the show intro too.
    It's embarrassing. Bottomline is you have a very unprofessional looking company ran by a mark who has had a pretty fucked up couple weeks with Eddie Kingston now this. A bunch of soft ass wannabe tough guys.

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    You have to give props to Tony Khan. This motherfucker is getting hit with shit left and right. Interim this, vacant that, tournament here, introducing titles left and right. I don't think there's ever been a company fucked this hard since that wrestling ppv where Jake pissed himself tagging with Neidhart.

    I will say this........It's a shame that a weekend of great wrestling from 3 different brands were completely overshadowed by this childish bullshit. WWE delivered 2 great events, AEW had a great card Sunday night. Shout out the fans who have no clue about any of this lol.

    Tony was bragging about being a rich Jim Crockett. Well, keep comparing yourself to fuckin losers. "I'm like Paul Heyman" the fuck you are. Even Paul didn't have this level of fuckery in ECW.

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    ROH match spoiler from Dynamite (playing safe with spoiler tags)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Ever heard of Sting!!!?!?!?!? Sting is EASILY the biggest name in AEW.

    But who's the #1 ratings draw in that company? Jericho? Sting? Nope, it's Punk. TNA had Hulk Hogan for fuck's sake and couldn't draw flies to shit.
    Sting is not a full timer, or really an in ring talent that much any more though is he.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greebull View Post
    Ever heard of Chris Jericho?
    I have. Not as big a star as Punk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    ...but it's a work?
    Maybe, maybe not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    No offense mate but no.

    Easily a lot of reasons. Assuming this stuff is true which I am leaning that it is. Legal issues, misconduct, pressure from sponsors, directors and other shareholders to keep the company image alive. Also the fact that as others have pointed out, Punk is not the biggest star of the company. Do you even watch AEW as haven’t even seen you comment in this thread up until today. In a polite way, maybe better to at least do research before jumping to immediate conclusions like it’s a work.

    Punk is far far from untouchable and his own mouth/cocky attitude has got him in hot water on more than one occasion.
    Mate, I watch AEW but to not suggest that Punk is the biggest star in AEW is laughable. Sting is part time, Jericho was never as big a star. Punk was basically number 2 behind Cena in the biggest wrestling company on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    I have. Not as big a star as Punk.



    Maybe, maybe not.



    Mate, I watch AEW but to not suggest that Punk is the biggest star in AEW is laughable. Sting is part time, Jericho was never as big a star. Punk was basically number 2 behind Cena in the biggest wrestling company on the planet.
    If you read on, had this discussion with Nash. Yes he does draw at times and it is at the very least arguable but you are still missing the main point so far. It was a side-point.

    While Punk being fired would leave a very big gap, it does not mean in any way that he is untouchable and that Khan would “allow this” to happen or “lol this is clearly a work” like you jumped in and only explained when I pushed you. This is the first time IIRC commenting on AEW so saw you as a fairweather fan so don’t blame me for that.

    Punk does bring a lot to the table yes and even said in my points that he has great matches (on occasion like with Cena in MITB) and a mean promo guy. He is still an arsehole though IMO especially if found at fault here. Though I haven’t followed his career as closely as others here may have, I won’t be that sad if he’s gone. AEW and Khan can cope.
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    Never said he wasn’t an arsehole. He probably is. But he is the biggest star they have, he is at a higher level except Sting who doesn’t really wrestle.

    AEW will likely be ok if he goes, but it would still be a blow.

    As for your point on commenting, just because I haven’t commented on the thread much doesn’t mean I don’t watch it. That’s just silly.

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    Just interesting you comment on it now is all I’m saying.

    If you truly do watch and follow, would love to hear your thoughts on other stuff other than this Punk situation.

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    I'd like to hear Romford's thoughts on Ruby Soho

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    I think after everything going back to that very overrated promo back in the day the funniest thing of this is Punk outing himself as a Vincel

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    Punk popped a rating early.

    And then things pretty much slid back to where they were.

    Not saying that he didn't have value, but just not thinking he was someone who was going to be a sustained gamechanger.

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    I'll be honest, I don't blame Romford for not wanting to post in this thread. Up until about a month or so ago it was almost impossible to criticize AEW without 5-6 people playing Capt Save-A-Ho

    I do think Punk has been a gamechanger for AEW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I'll be honest, I don't blame Romford for not wanting to post in this thread. Up until about a month or so ago it was almost impossible to criticize AEW without 5-6 people playing Capt Save-A-Ho

    I do think Punk has been a gamechanger for AEW.
    The way I have seen Punkís run is this.

    Initial return the first few weeks yeah folk tuned in but then a big chunk after that facing midcarders before getting into your Hangmans, MJFs, Moxleys etc. Basically a strong start, a meh middle then a strong late game til the injury and shit happened.

    I respect him as a wrestler and moreso as a mic worker and moved the needle but not sure by how much and how consistent of a draw heís really been when heís also been in a lot of meh stuff in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I'll be honest, I don't blame Romford for not wanting to post in this thread. Up until about a month or so ago it was almost impossible to criticize AEW without 5-6 people playing Capt Save-A-Ho

    I do think Punk has been a gamechanger for AEW.
    Intrigued. How do you think he's been a gamechanger?



    And yes AEW convo is easier now. I heard a point recently that I think may have some merit. It got lost in the media scrum hootenanny. But All Out may have been when AEW live crowds started changing from "we're happy with what you're giving us" to "we're going to tell you what we want"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    The way I have seen Punk’s run is this.

    Initial return the first few weeks yeah folk tuned in but then a big chunk after that facing midcarders before getting into your Hangmans, MJFs, Moxleys etc. Basically a strong start, a meh middle then a strong late game til the injury and shit happened.

    I respect him as a wrestler and moreso as a mic worker and moved the needle but not sure by how much and how consistent of a draw he’s really been when he’s also been in a lot of meh stuff in the middle.
    Tony spit out the numbers after he won the World title from Hangman. If numbers don't matter then we can look at the feuds he's had. MJF was the best feud the company has ever had by a country mile, and arguably the best feud of the last decade.

    Anyone who pays any amount of attention to my posts in this thread or about AEW in general know that I don't jerk them off very often. But again, numbers don't lie. If the fuckin stat master owner is telling you the guy is the biggest draw, he's the biggest draw for the company. Just because you don't FEEL that he is, what the fuck? Are you going to tell me John Cena wasn't the biggest draw in the WWE because you don't really know what kind of ratings he consistently brought or the exact number of t-shirts he sold?



    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Intrigued. How do you think he's been a gamechanger?



    And yes AEW convo is easier now. I heard a point recently that I think may have some merit. It got lost in the media scrum hootenanny. But All Out may have been when AEW live crowds started changing from "we're happy with what you're giving us" to "we're going to tell you what we want"
    It's pretty obvious. Everything the guy does trumps everything else not just in AEW but the world of wrestling. We just had 3 stellar events this weekend. Instead of talking about Gunther v. Sheamus, Riddle v. Rollins, Jericho v. Danielson, we're spending 99% of the time talking about Punk's media scrum and the aftermath. I'm going to work backwards. His match with Moxley on Dynamite, huge ratings. His return, big. His last ppv, I believe had the most buys ever and largest gate AEW has seen. The list goes on.

    So he's definitely been a gamechanger for AEW. Again this is me you're talking to, I don't give AEW props very often but real is real. IMO, he's the only person they've signed since the company started that has truly moved the needle. Not Sting. Not Andrade. Not Big Show. Not Toni Storm. He is the only one. Jericho, Moxley, they were already here and them joining AEW didn't really mean much compared to one of the biggest draws of the modern era coming back from 7-8 years on the bench. If he wasn't a gamechanger why is he the most talked about wrestler in the world right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Tony spit out the numbers after he won the World title from Hangman. If numbers don't matter then we can look at the feuds he's had. MJF was the best feud the company has ever had by a country mile, and arguably the best feud of the last decade.

    Anyone who pays any amount of attention to my posts in this thread or about AEW in general know that I don't jerk them off very often. But again, numbers don't lie. If the fuckin stat master owner is telling you the guy is the biggest draw, he's the biggest draw for the company. Just because you don't FEEL that he is, what the fuck? Are you going to tell me John Cena wasn't the biggest draw in the WWE because you don't really know what kind of ratings he consistently brought or the exact number of t-shirts he sold?





    It's pretty obvious. Everything the guy does trumps everything else not just in AEW but the world of wrestling. We just had 3 stellar events this weekend. Instead of talking about Gunther v. Sheamus, Riddle v. Rollins, Jericho v. Danielson, we're spending 99% of the time talking about Punk's media scrum and the aftermath. I'm going to work backwards. His match with Moxley on Dynamite, huge ratings. His return, big. His last ppv, I believe had the most buys ever and largest gate AEW has seen. The list goes on.

    So he's definitely been a gamechanger for AEW. Again this is me you're talking to, I don't give AEW props very often but real is real. IMO, he's the only person they've signed since the company started that has truly moved the needle. Not Sting. Not Andrade. Not Big Show. Not Toni Storm. He is the only one. Jericho, Moxley, they were already here and them joining AEW didn't really mean much compared to one of the biggest draws of the modern era coming back from 7-8 years on the bench. If he wasn't a gamechanger why is he the most talked about wrestler in the world right now?
    Before my actual reply...I like that you included Toni Storm in that group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Tony spit out the numbers after he won the World title from Hangman. If numbers don't matter then we can look at the feuds he's had. MJF was the best feud the company has ever had by a country mile, and arguably the best feud of the last decade.

    Anyone who pays any amount of attention to my posts in this thread or about AEW in general know that I don't jerk them off very often. But again, numbers don't lie. If the fuckin stat master owner is telling you the guy is the biggest draw, he's the biggest draw for the company. Just because you don't FEEL that he is, what the fuck? Are you going to tell me John Cena wasn't the biggest draw in the WWE because you don't really know what kind of ratings he consistently brought or the exact number of t-shirts he sold?





    It's pretty obvious. Everything the guy does trumps everything else not just in AEW but the world of wrestling. We just had 3 stellar events this weekend. Instead of talking about Gunther v. Sheamus, Riddle v. Rollins, Jericho v. Danielson, we're spending 99% of the time talking about Punk's media scrum and the aftermath. I'm going to work backwards. His match with Moxley on Dynamite, huge ratings. His return, big. His last ppv, I believe had the most buys ever and largest gate AEW has seen. The list goes on.

    So he's definitely been a gamechanger for AEW. Again this is me you're talking to, I don't give AEW props very often but real is real. IMO, he's the only person they've signed since the company started that has truly moved the needle. Not Sting. Not Andrade. Not Big Show. Not Toni Storm. He is the only one. Jericho, Moxley, they were already here and them joining AEW didn't really mean much compared to one of the biggest draws of the modern era coming back from 7-8 years on the bench. If he wasn't a gamechanger why is he the most talked about wrestler in the world right now?
    Yeah, i would never consider either one of us to be AEW shills (or WWE for that matter).

    All your points are valid, and I'm not arguing that he's had an effect. He has. My point is more if it's lasting, and whether there's going to be much actual difference. I know neither of us want to have a pedantic "what does gamechanger mean" argument, but I do kinda wonder if there's much difference.

    Him being the most talked about this weekend is kind of beside my central point.

    Punk can pop some ratings, but I think where I stop short on him is that it seems like things slide back down immediately after. The ratings have stayed pretty constant. So, we've got two weeks of popped ratings and a big PPV. I really don't want to diminish that. I do consider him their biggest star currently. And again, not saying he hasn't made them money. And if biggest mover in the company is your stance, then OK.

    For me, where I was originally when I said he wasn't a gamechanger is that I don't see how he has taken the overall product to another level. But to me, the only real gamechanger in the past 5 years is heel Roman Reigns.


    All that said, I think wrestling is getting harder and harder for one person to truly move the needle in a sustained way anymore. It's not the 80s or 90s anymore.

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    Brock Lesnar is the game changer for me. Ratings always raise when he's around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Yeah, i would never consider either one of us to be AEW shills (or WWE for that matter).

    All your points are valid, and I'm not arguing that he's had an effect. He has. My point is more if it's lasting, and whether there's going to be much actual difference. I know neither of us want to have a pedantic "what does gamechanger mean" argument, but I do kinda wonder if there's much difference.

    Him being the most talked about this weekend is kind of beside my central point.

    Punk can pop some ratings, but I think where I stop short on him is that it seems like things slide back down immediately after. The ratings have stayed pretty constant. So, we've got two weeks of popped ratings and a big PPV. I really don't want to diminish that. I do consider him their biggest star currently. And again, not saying he hasn't made them money. And if biggest mover in the company is your stance, then OK.

    For me, where I was originally when I said he wasn't a gamechanger is that I don't see how he has taken the overall product to another level. But to me, the only real gamechanger in the past 5 years is heel Roman Reigns.


    All that said, I think wrestling is getting harder and harder for one person to truly move the needle in a sustained way anymore. It's not the 80s or 90s anymore.
    AEW is still fairly young so I guess my question would be, what level does one need to take AEW to be considered a game changer? If bringing in more fans, more money, the best storylines, if that isn't elevating AEW then what the fuck lol.

    The ratings are what they are. Regardless if they slip back down a little, does that matter? If Austin and Undertaker drew a 10.0 rating, and then the next week it's only a 9, and then a month later it goes back up to 10, is that a negative? Again, largest gate with him headlining, largest ppv buy with him headlining, and again, we follow his every move.

    You're right, it's hard for ONE person to move the needle, even in the 80's and 90's. Punk can't do this all on his own and he's not, I'm not saying that, but if a company has several needle movers, that's a plus. WCW wasn't huge because of Scott Hall. WWF wasn't huge because of Stone Cold. But there are definitely certain guys who are at the top of that list as to who moves that needle.

    I don't want to include WWE in this discussion because it's apples and oranges. And to be honest, the only argument we could make would be to compare CM Punk in WWE versus Roman Reigns in WWE and that's a totally different conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Lol its so clearly a work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post

    Maybe, maybe not.
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    I agree but I wonder what it says about Yuta. They seem to have gone cold on him.

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    I agree but I wonder what it says about Yuta. They seem to have gone cold on him.
    Well Nash will be celebrating (jokes Nash).

    But seriously as happy as I am for Garcia, I am unsure what the point was of giving Yuta that belt was. As far as I know he was defending it in Japan shows but this is the first time in a long time as far as I know that he defended it on Dynamite. After the big deal that was made after his matches with Mox, I’m not sure where they stand with him now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Well Nash will be celebrating (jokes Nash).

    But seriously as happy as I am for Garcia, I am unsure what the point was of giving Yuta that belt was. As far as I know he was defending it in Japan shows but this is the first time in a long time as far as I know that he defended it on Dynamite. After the big deal that was made after his matches with Mox, I’m not sure where they stand with him now.
    lol.

    The point was almost like a movie. Take the jobbiest of the jobbers, put him with with the biggest names you have, put a belt on him=he'll get over! And for a bit AEW fans for the most part were playing along.

    Many, many AEW fans want everything that company puts out there to be "good" so they'll react how they assume Tony wants them to but now I'm starting to see more and more fans like myself. Fans who don't have an allegiance to one company that will praise and shit on whatever they put out. Yuta is a failed experiment that Tony in all his glorious booker of the year skillset should've known. That whole stable I'm sorry to say but it was poorly put together and hasn't really done a damn thing for anyone.

    Danielson didn't need it, Moxley sure as shit didn't need it. Regal...fuck man I wish he was still in WWE where the talent actually appreciate his knowledge. Cesaro and Yuta need it because they have zero charisma. I love Cesaro but I also loved Shelton Benajmin and Charlie Haas. Cesaro is a tag guy that should be in a tag team with someone equally as good i.e. Chris Hero, Sheamus, Tyson Kidd.

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    I'm inclined to agree with you.

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    I'm not high on Daniel Garcia either. He's about as interesting as a twig in my backyard. Sure you can pick it up, pretend it's a sword, but it's still just a stick.

    But I would've rather seen him than Yuta. AEW loves these jabronis like Yuta, Garcia, Cool Hand Jim, the fat Hardy Buck with the Khan cocaine eyes...How many episodes of Dynamite and Rampage did Garcia and 2.0 main event ? And they wonder why that audience doesn't grow.

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    The saddest part for me as a fan of AEW is how irrelevant Sting and Darby Allin have become. I did kind of laugh a little seeing Miro and Sting team up just because of that whole Christianity vibe. But there was a time where Darby Allin was important. Maybe this is due to having 400 people on 2 shows, the YT shows are Velocity there's nothing special on there.

    Darby is someone I would like to see get some more shine. Maybe he'll win the tournament and be new World champ!!

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    I saw a funny meme that asked when the young bucks kicked down Punks door did they slap their legs, the visual sounds funny anyway.

    AEW is like government funding for wrestlers. They sign everyone and have no clue what to do with them so they put them in a random stable. They must have 90 stables in AEW.

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    I watched a little of Dynamite and the roster just feels so weird. Should scrap the "Damn near everyone gets put in a stable" mentality. There are few exceptions but there should be even more exceptions. Danielson doesn't need a mouthpiece, nor does Moxley.

    With all their talent they should have a clearly defined top-tier, a midcard, then younger guys (think Dante Martin, when healthy) who could balance on the lower end who can become midcarders people give a shit about. You have Death Triangle when you just need the Lucha Bros. PAC would've been a better fit in BCC than Claudio or Yuta. Regal could be his mouthpiece, or just let the guy go out and do his thing.

    And you're right about Darby. He felt like a big deal a year ago, now he's hanging out with his wrestling Dad for what reason? The bloated roster looks great for a video game. For TV time? Not so much. And the former Ever-Rise don't belong anywhere near a main event. A lot of the programming is like those early Smackdown games you could create your own PPV and put Tajiri in the main event just because you liked him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    I saw a funny meme that asked when the young bucks kicked down Punks door did they slap their legs, the visual sounds funny anyway.

    AEW is like government funding for wrestlers. They sign everyone and have no clue what to do with them so they put them in a random stable. They must have 90 stables in AEW.
    I pos repped this but holy shit that's brilliant!

    90 stables and every single one but maybe The Elite make zero sense. People just linked up like they were picking lab partners and boom, stable.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeseToTheFace View Post
    I watched a little of Dynamite and the roster just feels so weird. Should scrap the "Damn near everyone gets put in a stable" mentality. There are few exceptions but there should be even more exceptions. Danielson doesn't need a mouthpiece, nor does Moxley.

    With all their talent they should have a clearly defined top-tier, a midcard, then younger guys (think Dante Martin, when healthy) who could balance on the lower end who can become midcarders people give a shit about. You have Death Triangle when you just need the Lucha Bros. PAC would've been a better fit in BCC than Claudio or Yuta. Regal could be his mouthpiece, or just let the guy go out and do his thing.

    And you're right about Darby. He felt like a big deal a year ago, now he's hanging out with his wrestling Dad for what reason? The bloated roster looks great for a video game. For TV time? Not so much. And the former Ever-Rise don't belong anywhere near a main event. A lot of the programming is like those early Smackdown games you could create your own PPV and put Tajiri in the main event just because you liked him.
    Looks great for a video game and they can't even put FTR on the main roster. Instead they're DLC. Don't get me wrong I get unlockables, going back to the late 90's-present day. But when you have FTR, who is easily in the top 3 of your tag-teams, shouldn't you include them? If I buy this game and I see fuckin Sonjay Dutt and no FTR, I'm flippin this desk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    If I buy this game and I see fuckin Sonjay Dutt and no FTR, I'm flippin this desk.
    Video or it didn't happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I pos repped this but holy shit that's brilliant!

    90 stables and every single one but maybe The Elite make zero sense. People just linked up like they were picking lab partners and boom, stable.
    Death Triangle are a good group, but yeah I get the feeling other than that it’s literally done by pulling names from a hat, and there’s zero conviction either they flip and jump groups from one week to the next, I mean have Acclaimed/Gunns just played pass with Billy for weeks, likewise big Luchasaurus must have whiplash considering how fast he turns.

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    I have always loved CM Punk so feel like I want to side with him, but he was such an embarrassing mess the other day.

    The only thing that niggles me is that whole thing where it was rumoured Cody and the other EVPs had an issue. At the time everyone was so tired of Cody that it wasn't an issue and no-one cared, assuming it was his arrogance and he is the problem. He left and it was forgotten. Whatever went on, Cody generally handled it with class, said nothing and moved on.

    Punk has never been so classy in that he cant keep his mouth shut. I just feel like as much as he has been a thunder cock, it has come from somewhere. There's also Jericho talking about people leaking stuff, which is what Punk out and out said is the EVPs doing.

    The Elite come across to me as a poor mans Kliq and you have folk reacting in different ways against it. Punk does it in his typical way of going full victim, dog with a bone, point to prove and ends up being the villain, but I still just feel like it comes from some truth. There's plenty of times I can think where I was wronged in life and mouthed off that much that I ended up the bad guy and there was no way I could argue that back

    Like I say I may just be a fan boy here and I totally dont excuse how he handled himself because it was piss poor and he should know better. But I dont feel like the narrative that is being presented is the whole thing.

    On another note, I found Dynamite weird this week, but kinda cool. Like it felt for the first time in ages like the show I started to get hooked on, as opposed to a game of who can we fit in this week and then forget the next. We will see if it carries over until next week I guess.

    Been ages since I drunk postsd

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    Definitely need to sort the stables out, it's good at times having lots of stables but not to the point where everyone is in one and normally for no reason. I'd personally change the following:

    Dark Order - disbandan, have Silver/Reynolds as a tag team, let Preston Vance go on his own, unmask and see what he can do solo and Evil Uno, I'd be happy not to see him again tbh.

    Blackpool Combat Club - I dunno what the point of this stable is tbh, started good and then sort of got lost after a few weeks. I think it would have been better as a heel faction of ex WWE guys Punk, Bryan, Moxley and Regal as manager. Running over the roster, acting like they are NWO 2020s, use it to put the younger guys over (unlike Main Event Mafia). Don't really care what they do now, feel like Bryan, Moxley and Claudio would be better off as solo guys, Yuta as well but down the card.

    JAP - this hasn't really worked and seems like they are en route to abandoning it anyway. Jericho, Sammy and Hager are fine as a trio, get them chasing the trios championship for a while. Let Garcia go off into the main card alone, 2.0 can just be a tag team.

    The Elite/UE - think when they come back they'd all be better if separated anyway. Guess Omega and Bucks cango after their stripped titles. Can build to Cole v Omega when they are both back as well, I would mind the Bucks splitting up and having a feud with each other tbh. O Reilly looks like the odd man out again now Fish has gone.

    House of Black - dead in the water now Black has gone. Let the other two go solo.

    Factory - jobbers, would probably be better off trying to carve solo paths.

    Trustbusters - new so give it a chance but has future jobbers written all over it. Only Parker who is interesting but looks green as hell.

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    Kenny Omega is in Tokyo for TGS so he seems to have come out fine on this since he's working again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
    I have always loved CM Punk so feel like I want to side with him, but he was such an embarrassing mess the other day.

    The only thing that niggles me is that whole thing where it was rumoured Cody and the other EVPs had an issue. At the time everyone was so tired of Cody that it wasn't an issue and no-one cared, assuming it was his arrogance and he is the problem. He left and it was forgotten. Whatever went on, Cody generally handled it with class, said nothing and moved on.

    Punk has never been so classy in that he cant keep his mouth shut. I just feel like as much as he has been a thunder cock, it has come from somewhere. There's also Jericho talking about people leaking stuff, which is what Punk out and out said is the EVPs doing.

    The Elite come across to me as a poor mans Kliq and you have folk reacting in different ways against it. Punk does it in his typical way of going full victim, dog with a bone, point to prove and ends up being the villain, but I still just feel like it comes from some truth. There's plenty of times I can think where I was wronged in life and mouthed off that much that I ended up the bad guy and there was no way I could argue that back

    Like I say I may just be a fan boy here and I totally dont excuse how he handled himself because it was piss poor and he should know better. But I dont feel like the narrative that is being presented is the whole thing.

    On another note, I found Dynamite weird this week, but kinda cool. Like it felt for the first time in ages like the show I started to get hooked on, as opposed to a game of who can we fit in this week and then forget the next. We will see if it carries over until next week I guess.

    Been ages since I drunk postsd
    Love the drunk post.

    AEW has really worked hard to cultivate their relationship with the wrestling media.

    Shockingly, it looks like that might not all be positive.

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    It's funny that Punk believes so much shit from the dirtsheets--unless it's negative about him lol. This whole fight sounds like when my 4 sisters got into a fight. 2 sets of sisters with different moms fighting at my dad's when we were teenagers. So basically Punk/Steel and The Elite are my sisters, and my dad was Tony Khan just watching the shit show unfold.

    They heard some rumors that supposedly this mom said that about this mom and nobody really owned up to anything. It was pathetic. No striking or grappling skills. No technique. Just hair pulling, biting, kicking each other in the vag while they rolled around in the grass. It reminded me of one of those old cartoons where a cat and dog get into a fight lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    It's funny that Punk believes so much shit from the dirtsheets--unless it's negative about him lol. This whole fight sounds like when my 4 sisters got into a fight. 2 sets of sisters with different moms fighting at my dad's when we were teenagers. So basically Punk/Steel and The Elite are my sisters, and my dad was Tony Khan just watching the shit show unfold.

    They heard some rumors that supposedly this mom said that about this mom and nobody really owned up to anything. It was pathetic. No striking or grappling skills. No technique. Just hair pulling, biting, kicking each other in the vag while they rolled around in the grass. It reminded me of one of those old cartoons where a cat and dog get into a fight lol.
    Did your dad come out to the Living Room and announce that title for "first to get dessert" had been vacated?

    Before he announced it, did he make you announce him as "husband, father, and general manager"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Did your dad come out to the Living Room and announce that title for "first to get dessert" had been vacated?

    Before he announced it, did he make you announce him as "husband, father, and general manager"?
    LOL I wish. Here's the twist that I think is the same with Tony Khan.

    The fight was about Mom 2 telling her kids that she heard Mom 1 was talking shit. So the girls are getting into it and Mom 1 is like, who the hell told her I was talking shit she doesn't know anyone I know. All while my dad is there, knowing he's the one who was telling Mom 2 a fake story about Mom 1 to get in Mom 2's good graces over child support.

    This is why you don't marry and if you do, don't get divorced lol. But I feel like Tony Khan feeds so much info, he's an open book just listen to/watch any of the media scrums and a room full of people acting like it's a fuckin writers night out at the bar. Paul Heyman did the same exact shit so maybe that's what Tony relates to when it comes to him. Not so much the creative mind but the playing both sides to keep yourself clean.

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    The Elite are The Kliq only in the way that they're a cadre of upper-midcard guys who hang out together.

    Their problems and the issues they're creating on their TV are very, very different. Arguably worse. Nobody in The Elite is showing up to wrestle drunk or while they're cruising on Lake Have-A-Soma, but they're all so wrapped up in their own little world and their own special brand of niche, super silly bullshit, its alienating 200,000-odd people a week. At least, since Kenny Omega's come back. Omega isn't World Champion, so he's not such a drain on business like Diesel or Shawn Michaels were when they had their crummy, ill-liked World Title reigns. But its all still bad news.

    CM Punk is like the Bret Hart of this situation. He's never worked with Omega or The Bucks, but they've been fucking him around backstage, and its bleeding over into real life. The Media Scrum. Bret Hart would've been too damn professional and too damn ardent about maintaining kayfabe to even do a media scrum, but if Vince forced his hand, Bret would probably be the most polite, pro there. It would've been The Kliq idiots saying something and causing trouble.

    "Hangman" Page in all this is sort of like the Lex Luger. He's the guy the company picked to be "their guy" before somebody bigger and better got over and superseded him. Page thinks he's in with The Elite, so he went off script on TV and tried to trash Punk in an interview that seemed more confused rambling than anything else. Page in The Elite is sort of like Aldo Montoya with The Kliq -- they're buddies, but they're nowhere near that level. So Punk blistered him for it and rightfully so. Because it was a dumb idea that needed addressing. And no, Page, you're not high enough on the totem pole to get away with it.

    What's my point in all this? The Elite are a different kind of problem than The Kliq and CM Punk's beef with them isn't quite as legit as Bret's was with The Kliq bros. But its all about the same kind of he-said, she-said bullshit. But now, with modern online media and press events bookending every show, we get to see it play out in real-life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    LOL I wish. Here's the twist that I think is the same with Tony Khan.

    The fight was about Mom 2 telling her kids that she heard Mom 1 was talking shit. So the girls are getting into it and Mom 1 is like, who the hell told her I was talking shit she doesn't know anyone I know. All while my dad is there, knowing he's the one who was telling Mom 2 a fake story about Mom 1 to get in Mom 2's good graces over child support.

    This is why you don't marry and if you do, don't get divorced lol. But I feel like Tony Khan feeds so much info, he's an open book just listen to/watch any of the media scrums and a room full of people acting like it's a fuckin writers night out at the bar. Paul Heyman did the same exact shit so maybe that's what Tony relates to when it comes to him. Not so much the creative mind but the playing both sides to keep yourself clean.
    The difference is, if you put Paul Heyman in a room with a microphone and a bunch of wrestling press, he could talk his way out of a triple homicide and running over a class of orphans crossing the street to get away. The dude is a master manipulator. He can sell ice to somebody frozen in a block of ice. He could sell a gallon of gasoline to somebody who just caught on fire. He can talk his way out of anything, and don't think for one minute that Heyman didn't pick up some kind of legalize bullshit talk from his dad, who was a lawyer. He might not be right or he might just be making up bullshit, but he can make it sound right and that's the point.

    Tony Khan sounds like he's the kind of guy who'd have a mental breakdown trying make a McDonald's order. He's as nervous as a shithouse rat. And that's the big knock against him. Even if he's completely and utterly innocent in something, the way he talks and carries himself would make him look like he's about to fidget himself right into trouble.

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    Spot on about Tony at McDonald's, only because I imagine he's never actually had to go to a place like that and order his own food lol. Can you see his parents taking him to get a Happy meal when he was 9? Me neither lol.

    The thing is, say what you want but the guys in the Klik were some of the top draws. Diesel, Shawn, and Razor were carrying that company along with Bret and Taker. Those were the 5 guys people still tuned in to see WWF tv. The US were struggling, WCW had Hogan, Savage, Flair and were doing worse than the WWF. I hate comparing people to the past but I can somewhat understand why people would compare the Elite to the Klik-hand sign and all. It's just a very loose comparison.

    You can definitely give Punk his props for wearing his heart on his sleeve but when you say shit repeatedly about coming and saying some shit to your face, don't be shocked when it fuckin happens. You being gifted a spot in the UFC, getting to train with a top gym, that doesn't make you the toughest guy in the business or even in AEW. We're now hearing rumblings that Punk had been planning this for weeks which explains why he was so adamant on sticking to a script even if the questions weren't being asked. He definitely sounded like Bret and I'm shocked he didn't give the EVPs and Tony a 4/10

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    Here's my question....When was the last time Colt Cobana talked about CM Punk?

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    No one's gonna sit next to Vince, Hunter, Heyman, maybe even Bischoff, and bad mouth the promotion or anyone because all of those people have earned respect.

    Tony Khan grew up loving and watching the business, however never took part until now. So he's a fanboy with money. He has yet to earn any respect.

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    You may want to go watch some 1990s convention footage if you don't think ECW guys would shit talk Paul E and ECW to his face in front of lots of people.

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    I'd love to see this footage of ECW guys shooting on Paul E and ECW at these conventions in the 90's.

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    Didn't they shoot on him failing to pay them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    Didn't they shoot on him failing to pay them?
    I don't know I'll wait for Defrost to link us to one of those 90's conventions where the talent were shoot burying the company and Paul Heyman.

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    I'd like to see some of those too

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    I don't know anything about the conferences. The Rise and Fall of ECW had some balanced perspective on Paul as a business owner imho.

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    Yeah, but knowing that was produced by WWE, I'm sure all the perspectives were scripted.

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    Certainly not unbiased.

    But I think what they put out was one of the stronger vids of that era, and did include Paul giving his perspective, even on the critiques.

    A lot of the things people like Bubba said, i think can somewhat be taken at face value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I don't know anything about the conferences. The Rise and Fall of ECW had some balanced perspective on Paul as a business owner imho.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Certainly not unbiased.

    But I think what they put out was one of the stronger vids of that era, and did include Paul giving his perspective, even on the critiques.

    A lot of the things people like Bubba said, i think can somewhat be taken at face value.
    Oh yeah we're not talking about post-ECW stuff. Defrost said there are conventions with ECW wrestlers shooting on Paul Heyman while he sits next to them and I'm just wanting to see the footage. I'm not even disputing what he's saying I just want to see this 90's conventions because that sounds cool.

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    Ask Shane Douglas at any wrestling convention from the 90's to present day and he'll bitch out Paul E. over the $40,000 Paul still owes him.

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    I'll get in my time machine and do just that.

    Present day sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wyndorf View Post
    I'll get in my time machine and do just that.

    Present day sucks
    I’m also gonna jump in a time machine back to when you were Donald. You are forever and will always be Donald to me. Dave Wyndorf just isn’t the same.

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