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    The Infallible Rajah's Greatest NFL Defensive Players of All-Time List.

    Let's beat the humdrum waiting for camp and preseason dog days and talk football.

    Top 20.

    Regardless of position, who do you think are the most impactful defensive players the league has ever known? Is JJ Watt's modern short burst of a career better than Bob Lilly's illustrious long historical stay? Did Ronnie Lott or Rod Woodson do more as defensive backs than Lawrence Taylor or Derrick Thomas as hurricane-like pass rushers? Troy Polamalu vs Ed Reed? Have you seen grainy old footage of Ray Nitschke or Gino Marchetti and want to speak on their behalf?

    No matter your subjective take or your historical window of knowledge, just give a shit who the best 20 have been and pm me your list and I'll compile the rest.

    We can shoot the shit on the subject here until enough lists are entered.

    @Bandit, @Fro, @PurePlayer, @kdestiny, @Torn, @Kneeneighbor, @hithit, @Greed, @TimeSplitter, @BigAle, @Morrison, @chrisrandolph1985, @Mr. Boombastic, @Chris Scott, @Rancid_Planet, @Pablo Diablo, @Judas Iscariot, @Matthew, @_me, @Honey_Badger, @virmicious, @GOLDBERG'S BEST FRIEND, @New FN Show Stopper, @Alex ...

    ... I'm looking at a tremendous set of entries with your contributions. (thanks @CWE for already getting things started)

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    okay i will try and do a list this week

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    In all honesty this isn't my specialty. I have about a 20 year gap when I paid zero attention to football. Very interested in reading and discussing but I am not going to make a list.

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    Sent my list. Def feel like I am forgetting a few peeps but c'est la vie.

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    Honestly, I'm kinda torn on how this should work. Should we include legends from the past that we never actually saw play, except for maybe a few highlight reels?

    It feels stupid leaving them out, but football is different from a game like baseball where it is easier to compare guys from different eras based purely on stats, especially since like QB sacks weren't even recorded until the early 80s.

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    I dont think it has to be based purely on stats. If you're into the history of the game and you know how impactful certain players were in comparison with their peers, then I think it's safe to consider them among the greatest.

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    Include whomever you like. These lists are always a bit subjective whether or not that's the goal. None of us have ever seen every single snap of every d players careers over the span of the league and so there's always going to be gaps in expertise. It's ok though. This is meant to be a fun timekiller and a way to bat around football bs amongst fans when there's little else to chop it up about.

    I don't care if you've studied the history of the league in books/film or if you've only been watching the last decade. Chances are there will be a handful of names that will be toward the tops of the majority of lists and the rest will be a subjective hodgepodge that we'll (hopefully) have a good time giving each other stick about and ultimately just ranting about the game.

    The official criteria - chill the fuck out and have fun and think of the 20 dopest ever d dudes for you.

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    I’m gonna try and get a list in later today.

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    Mine might take a day or two.

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    yea I workshopped a list just need to put the final touches on it

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    all around..

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    I haven’t made mine yet. But when I do I hope you all are ready for some subjective as shit rankings. Jason Taylor will definitely be making my list. Probably...Possibly...Maybe.

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    Update - 6 lists tallied up so far..

    ..with Reggie White, Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders, and Lawrence Taylor as the 1st place vote getters among the 46 players receiving votes.
    Last edited by Percussion; June 5th, 2018 at 6:07 PM.

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    this is a tough one to judge. I can't say I have a true grasp on how good even current defensive star players are, let alone historical ones. I mean with someone like JJ Watt or Von Miller their impact is apparent because they are attacking the QB and getting sacks, but with other positions it's harder. most of the time what a safety is doing isn't even on the TV feed, so you can judge off of interceptions and highlight type plays but without seeing coach's tape how do you really know? I guess you base it off what those in the know say about them, all-pro selections and the like.

    this is opposed to other sports like baseball and basketball where you can pretty much see what every player does all the time, or other positions like quarterback or running back.

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    Somebody voted Deion as the best ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    this is a tough one to judge. I can't say I have a true grasp on how good even current defensive star players are, let alone historical ones. I mean with someone like JJ Watt or Von Miller their impact is apparent because they are attacking the QB and getting sacks, but with other positions it's harder. most of the time what a safety is doing isn't even on the TV feed, so you can judge off of interceptions and highlight type plays but without seeing coach's tape how do you really know? I guess you base it off what those in the know say about them, all-pro selections and the like.

    this is opposed to other sports like baseball and basketball where you can pretty much see what every player does all the time, or other positions like quarterback or running back.
    It is certainly more challenging. But I think there are lots of clues that allow people to make sound inferences - film, stats, written stories, quality of the defenses guys were on and their roles on those d's. And it will definitely fall to a great deal of subjectivity what with the different eras, judging one position against another, and of course just how much of these guys we've all seen. But it's a bit of a different task than just ranking any modern position and so I figured as fans it would be worth the give a fuck. Hope so anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by soxfanatic View Post
    Somebody voted Deion as the best ever?
    Yes, someone who actually put together a strong list of their own. You going to do so or just drive by and moan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Update - 6 lists tallied up so far..

    ..with Reggie White, Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders, and Lawrence Taylor as the 1st place vote getters among the 46 players receiving votes.
    Don’t watch enough now to really enter a list but reading that I had to just say... where’s Mike Singletary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    Don’t watch enough now to really enter a list but reading that I had to just say... where’s Mike Singletary?
    Can't speak for anyone else, but he fell just out of my top 20. An all-time stud who could be counted on for the physical, cerebral, and emotional aspects of leading a defense all together. He wasn't a big play (ints, ff, tfl, etc) kind of guy, but more a bringing intensity, counted on to always be in the right spots, anticipating plays and breaking them up, surefire tackler, and never breaking his will kind of guy.

    Wouldn't begrudge anyone who ranked him much higher, as he was always at a very high level, just think a couple dozen guys ever brought just a little more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soxfanatic View Post
    Somebody voted Deion as the best ever?
    Shut up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Can't speak for anyone else, but he fell just out of my top 20. An all-time stud who could be counted on for the physical, cerebral, and emotional aspects of leading a defense all together. He wasn't a big play (ints, ff, tfl, etc) kind of guy, but more a bringing intensity, counted on to always be in the right spots, anticipating plays and breaking them up, surefire tackler, and never breaking his will kind of guy.

    Wouldn't begrudge anyone who ranked him much higher, as he was always at a very high level, just think a couple dozen guys ever brought just a little more.
    I started watching when I was around 10 and haven’t seen much in a long time, but to me that whole Bears defence was just awesome to watch, gave everything, never let their heads drop, ran through walls and all seemed to want to hit, with the heart soul and brain being Mike.

    Keep meaning to start watching again but I never seem to get the time and no one I know watches, which is always half the fun.

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    He was just outside my top 20. Like, he was 21. Probably could’ve put him on my list, but the guys I did put on I personally like better. With that said, Singletary was a fucking beast.

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    He was the reason I decided to give the game a go in all honesty, I played two seasons and quite enjoyed it but it was that or rugby so there was no real competition in my eyes

    Reggie White is one of those I’d agree with along with LT, another I saw would be Brice Smith from the same era, but I accept I’m old and out of touch

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    Reggie was my number 1. Dude was a beast, unblockable at times. Loved it when he came to Green Bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    He was the reason I decided to give the game a go in all honesty, I played two seasons and quite enjoyed it but it was that or rugby so there was no real competition in my eyes

    Reggie White is one of those Id agree with along with LT, another I saw would be Brice Smith from the same era, but I accept Im old and out of touch
    Those are all excellent choices to head up an all-time rank.

    If not putting together your own list I at least hope you stick around and chat up and enjoy the reveal. Genuinely always like getting the perspective of people who are 'non-native' to yankball.

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    I don't remember who I put at #1. I think LT was mine? I had Reggie White up in that top 3ish too I think.

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    Ray Lewis is mine. Probably not true, but he was my fav and the Ravens were my second favorite team after the Lions. I left out some of the pre-80s players because I never saw them outside of an NFL Film.

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    I’ll certainly hang around, I might put together a list this morning if I get a chance, but if you just put ‘Monsters of the Midway’ plus Reggie and Bruce it’ll be close

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    Quote Originally Posted by soxfanatic View Post
    Somebody voted Deion as the best ever?
    Deion shut down the whole half of a field at a time. 53 INTs for 1,331 yards, 10 defensive touchdowns all while teams avoided throwing at him. 8 time all pro, 2 Super Bowl Rings.

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    Maybe one of the worst tacklers ever. That is for sure.

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    Yup, but that wasnt his job. He wasnt out there for run support.

    Thats like complaining that Reggie White wouldn't cover WRs

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    Mine is heavy from 2000 on only because I didn't really get into football until then.

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    That's cool. I have Charles Woodson a lot higher than anyone does (unless there are other superfans).

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    We're at 9 as of now. Just a few more would be great, handful more would make a huge difference.

    Hoping to get something still from any of..

    @PurePlayer, @kdestiny, @Torn, @Greed, @TimeSplitter, @Morrison, @Mr. Boombastic, @Chris Scott, @Rancid_Planet, @Judas Iscariot, @Matthew, @_me, @Honey_Badger, @virmicious, @New FN Show Stopper, @Alex

    ..get in this shit, it's football.

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    not tonight. maybe tomorrow. got a few busy days and need to devote time for my mind to really think and develop my list i am sorry. i am an artist.

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    I'm off tomorrow evening so that should work

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    Sounds good. We've still got some days at least for people to give it some thought.

    This thing is clearly infallible after all.

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    I didn't put him on my list because he's definitely not in the top 20 to me, but I was a huge Bob Sanders fan during his time in Indy.

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    Working on a list makes me understand how out of touch with the current product I really am

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    Fwiw, actual current players aren't (and imo shouldn't) be making up much if any of the final result.

    Not sure how far back you're going to not consider it current product though.

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    I consider Urlacher ‘modern’

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    I got Von Miller and Dwight Freeney on my list. Pretty sure Freeney is still active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    We're at 9 as of now. Just a few more would be great, handful more would make a huge difference.

    Hoping to get something still from any of..

    @PurePlayer, @kdestiny, @Torn, @Greed, @TimeSplitter, @Morrison, @Mr. Boombastic, @Chris Scott, @Rancid_Planet, @Judas Iscariot, @Matthew, @_me, @Honey_Badger, @virmicious, @New FN Show Stopper, @Alex

    ..get in this shit, it's football.
    I'll come up with something this weekend.

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    I just submitted mine. This was hard especially considering it was straight defense, may have been easier top 5 by each position, dt, de, olb, mlb, cb, fs, ss. I am curious to see who I've overrated and who I've overlooked with this.

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    Update - 12 lists tallied up so far..

    ..with Reggie White, Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders, and Lawrence Taylor still the 1st place vote getters among the now 50 players receiving votes.

    Going out of town tomorrow and through the weekend, so this is a good time for a last call for voters while I'm out with the totals to be compiled when I get settled in sometime later next week.

    @PurePlayer, @Torn, @Greed, @TimeSplitter, @Morrison, @Chris Scott, @Rancid_Planet, @Judas Iscariot, @Matthew, @_me, @Honey_Badger, @virmicious, @New FN Show Stopper, @Alex

    ..sorry to bug any of y'all that haven't been interested the whole time, but I just wanna make sure anyone still wanting to participate gets the message. Hope any of you guys can find time in the coming week to put something together. Lots of football knowledge still to contribute to a final list that already looks pretty sharp.

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    The answer is Reggie White.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    The answer is Reggie White.
    This is the correct answer, without cocaine LT probably has a chance at the top spot, but the minister of defense had the longevity too.

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    Just because LT snorted any white line, including the yard markers, shouldn't be held against him.

    Reggie came in at #2 for me. LT was just that damn scary.

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    Did LT do coke before/during games? Would defintiely be a PED

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Did LT do coke before/during games? Would defintiely be a PED
    He admitted to doing coke during the 85 season if I remember correctly.

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    Finally submitted mine. I found it very hard to mix the players I have watched vs the players I only read about vs the players I've highlights but not full games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrandolph1985 View Post
    Ray Lewis is mine. Probably not true, but he was my fav and the Ravens were my second favorite team after the Lions. I left out some of the pre-80s players because I never saw them outside of an NFL Film.
    I went with Ed Reed. Most instinctive, clutch defender I've ever seen. Always came up with the big play at the big time. Probably not a "dominant" as LT or Reggie but was more versatile and I watched his whole career.

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    Ed Reed was in my top 5. Fuck Ray Lewis.

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    Ray Lewis was on my list even though I strongly dislike him. He was very good.

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    Ray Lewis is arguably the best middle linebacker to ever play. I think he's certainly a top 20 defender.

    Few guys in the 21-30 range that I'd like to see get a bump if we get any additional voters in the next day or two, but not too many that I'd like to see bumped off (only one in particular). Good problem to have I suppose.

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    I'd argue he's not the best MLB in his hall of fame class.

    But I'm biased.

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    As much as I like Urlacher, and I really do, even if he is a Bear, he isn’t as good as Ray.

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    I would (and believe I did) rate Lewis as the best MLB of the last 20 years. But I rate Derrick Brooks as a better LB. I loved Derrick Brooks.

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    I had him on my list too. Regardless, fuck Ray Lewis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    Ed Reed was in my top 5. Fuck Ray Lewis.
    Although I did rate Ray Lewis higher than I did Ed Reed, it is interesting that you could make a compelling argument that Reed was more dominant at his position than Lewis was at his. It is just a reality that a MLB has more impact each and every play than a safety does, just like an all time great quarterback like Montana may always be rated higher than an all time great WR like Jerry Rice, even though Rice was more dominant at his position and in his role.

    It's what makes this so terribly subjective and interesting.

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    You could make that argument, but I'd personally disagree.

    I have Lewis as the best MLB to ever play with Reed was the 2nd best safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    You could make that argument, but I'd personally disagree.

    I have Lewis as the best MLB to ever play with Reed was the 2nd best safety.
    In an NFL with more 4000 yard passers than 1500 yard rushers, defensive backs are probably more valuable than linebackers these days. Unless you are a true 3 down LB like my boy Derrick Brooks.

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    That's really an oversimplification of looking at what one guy brings to the table relative to his position. Lewis covered an insane amount of ground from his mike spot. Everything from the run game to the play action game to the intermediate and flats passing game to defending mobile quarterbacks to blitzing those 4000 yard passers to goal line and short yardage situations to reading the offense and making pre-snap defensive calls.

    The guy was much, much more than just a 2-down run thumper.

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    For the record, "Fuck Ray Lewis" is in reference to Ray Lewis the human being, not Ray Lewis the second best middle linebacker of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    That's really an oversimplification of looking at what one guy brings to the table relative to his position. Lewis covered an insane amount of ground from his mike spot. Everything from the run game to the play action game to the intermediate and flats passing game to defending mobile quarterbacks to blitzing those 4000 yard passers to goal line and short yardage situations to reading the offense and making pre-snap defensive calls.

    The guy was much, much more than just a 2-down run thumper.
    Oh, for sure. I just mean the position is not as valuable as the Butkus/Lambert days. But he did everything a team could want from a MLB. But in the modern NFL, you might want a world class OLB more than a world class MLB.

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    That is unquestionably true. You can just look at pay scales and draft positions to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Oh, for sure. I just mean the position is not as valuable as the Butkus/Lambert days. But he did everything a team could want from a MLB. But in the modern NFL, you might want a world class OLB more than a world class MLB.
    I don't think the league has changed so radically through his playing days to preclude Ray Lewis from being ranked as an on-field impact player higher than a very, very good safety, in this case Ed Reed.

    That was my only point in the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    I don't think the league has changed so radically through his playing days to preclude Ray Lewis from being ranked as an on-field impact player higher than a very, very good safety, in this case Ed Reed.

    That was my only point in the discussion.
    I'd only argue that Ed Reed's performance as an on-field impact player was higher than Lewis's (regardless of their positions) and that is why he is higher on my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    I'd only argue that Ed Reed's performance as an on-field impact player was higher than Lewis's (regardless of their positions) and that is why he is higher on my list.
    And I wouldn't want to argue too much with the subjective aspect of this, all good dude.

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