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    I had Ed Reed at I think 15 or 16. Only because I have always put him and Troy Palamalu almost even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    Run support wasn’t his job.
    That's correct, Cewsh.
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    I know it is. That why I said it. You don’t see it as weird to discount his excellence on some level because he didn’t do something he wasn’t meant to do?

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    I don't think I'm actually discounting him anything. Again, I've got him in my own top 20 defenders ever and the second best safety of all time behind only Ronnie Lott. Would his run support have been as excellent as Lott's had he been asked to display it? Perhaps, but I just don't know. I don't think it would've been altogether bad or anything, but I just don't know as it wasn't something that was put forth regularly. With Lott it was. And in the meantime Lott was also asked regularly to cover backs in the flats and receivers deep and he was completely adept, excelling in fact, at every task. This is grading on a scale of what was on the table.

    So ya, I'm not taking away from Reed so much as maxing out what I saw at where it was displayed in full.

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    I also love this clip with Brady talking about how when you play against Ed you're always thinking about him


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    #3

    Deion Sanders


    Born: August 9, 1967
    Years Active: 1989-2000, 04-05
    Height: 6'1 Weight: 195
    College: Florida State University
    Position: Cornerback
    Stats: 513 total tackles, 1 sack, 53 ints, 10 forced fumbles, 13 fumble recoveries, 10 tds
    8x Pro Bowl, 1x Defensive Player of the Year, 2x Super Bowl Champion, HoF

    Points: 195
    Votes: 12
    Ranked Highest by: Kneeneighbor (1st)
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    The best cover corner of all time. Hands down.

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    So much of his impact isn't easily transcribable as for his entry here it doesn't really do him justice.

    His ability to absolutely shut down a half of a field and/or your team's best wideout.
    That he managed 50+ picks despite offenses avoiding him at all costs.
    His unparalleled athleticism.
    Playing offense.
    Returning kicks/punts.
    Playing baseball.
    Almost single-handedly bringing swagger to the game.
    Back to back Super Bowl mercenary jobs in SF and Dallas and going from manning up Michael Irvin to Jerry Rice in the process.

    Just all around legend.

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    Is he the farthest from his competitor for "Greatest at his position ever" than any other position? I can't even think who I would call the 2nd best corner ever. Rod Woodson I guess but I don't think they are that close. I rate Woodson highly because he was able to slide over to safety so well. But as a pure cover corner, he isn't in Deion's class.

    Reggie and LT are the two left but I would rather have Deion and Derrick Thomas than LT and Rod. Reggie is a tougher call.

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    Rice is pretty far ahead of any other receiver

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    So much of his impact isn't easily transcribable as for his entry here it doesn't really do him justice.

    His ability to absolutely shut down a half of a field and/or your team's best wideout.
    That he managed 50+ picks despite offenses avoiding him at all costs.
    His unparalleled athleticism.
    Playing offense.
    Returning kicks/punts.
    Playing baseball.
    Almost single-handedly bringing swagger to the game.
    Back to back Super Bowl mercenary jobs in SF and Dallas and going from manning up Michael Irvin to Jerry Rice in the process.

    Just all around legend.
    Absolutely one of the most exciting players to ever play the game and one of my favorites to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Rice is pretty far ahead of any other receiver
    Duh. That was quite the obvious miss by me. Though if you said I was stuck with Randy Moss at #2, I would not be crying.

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    #2

    Reggie White


    Born: December 19, 1961
    Years Active: 1985-98, 2000
    Height: 6'5 Weight: 300
    College: University of Tennessee
    Position: Defensive End
    Stats: 1,081 total tackles, 198 sacks, 3 ints, 33 forced fumbles, 20 fumble recoveries, 2 tds
    13x Pro Bowl, 2x Defensive Player of the Year, 2x Sack Leader, 1x Super Bowl Champion, HoF

    Points: 242
    Votes: 13
    Ranked Highest by: hithit, Percussion, Mr. Boombastic, Cewsh (1st)

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    Reggie White was better than Lawrence Taylor.

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    100% agree.

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    Oh absolutely. Reggie was the most dominant defensive player I’ve ever seen.

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    Yeah, you guys suck. Reggie White was a force of nature. You don't get the nickname the Minister of Defense without being a total badass.

    That being said, I did have LT at #2.

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    I flip-flopped so many times between the two of them. They were clear 1 and 2 to me.

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    Reggie's versatility and ability against the run make him (far) superior to LT for me. LT did one thing better than anyone but he only really had that one skill. I would argue LT is closer to Deion at #3 than to Reggie at #1. I voted Ed Reed #1 but Reggie White is the only other person I considered for the top spot.
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    @ Reggie ragdolling Larry fucking Allen

    Not sure if I've ever seen that. Unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post


    @ Reggie ragdolling Larry fucking Allen

    Not sure if I've ever seen that. Unbelievable.
    my favorite part of that clip is jason garrett is the one getting creamed.

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    And Finally, Rajah's Greatest Defensive Player of All-Time ...

    #1

    Lawrence Taylor


    Born: February 4, 1959
    Years Active: 1981-93
    Height: 6'3 Weight: 237
    College: University of North Carolina
    Position: The Rush Linebacker
    Stats: 1,089 total tackles, 142 sacks, 9 ints, 33 forced fumbles, 11 fumble recoveries, 2 tds
    10x Pro Bowl, 1x Sack Leader, 3x Defensive Player of the Year, 1x NFL MVP, 2x Super Bowl Champion, HoF

    Points: 245
    Votes: 13
    Ranked Highest by: Pablo Diablo, Fro, Bandit, CWE, BigAle, kdestiny (1st)



    Final Summary..

    1. Lawrence Taylor
    2. Reggie White
    3. Deion Sanders
    4. Ed Reed
    5. Ray Lewis
    6. Rod Woodson
    7. Ronnnie Lott
    8. Bruce Smith
    9. Deacon Jones
    10. Charles Woodson
    11. Dick Butkus
    12. Joe Greene
    13. Mike Singletary
    14. Junior Seau
    15. JJ Watt
    16. Ray Nitschke
    17. Mel Blount
    18. Jack Lambert
    19. Dick Lane
    20. Derrick Thomas

    also receiving votes: Michael Strahan (37 points), Troy Polamalu (35), Brian Urlacher (32), Alan Page (31), Derrick Brooks (28), Paul Krause (27), Warren Sapp (26), Champ Bailey (25), Bob Lilly (24), Julius Peppers (20), Darrelle Revis (20), Brian Dawkins (15), Kevin Greene (15), Von Miller (15), Herb Adderley (14), Chris Doleman (12), Darrell Green (12), Emlen Tunnell (12), John Randle (11), Jason Taylor (11), Richard Sherman (10), LeRoy Butler (9), James Harrison (9), Jim Marshall (9), Chuck Bednarik (6), Dwight Freeney (5), Jack Ham (3), Howie Long (3), Ronde Barber (2), Gino Marchetti (2), Merlin Olsen (1), Ndamukong Suh (1)

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    Pretty good goddamn list fellas.

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    Thanks for running it

    Best super bowl should be next IMO.

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    Were there any interesting outliers for LT or Reggie that ended up deciding it? Like, did anyone have either outside the top 5 (or even top 3)? You don't have to name names but I am curious if one person's ballot made the final choice.

    Very fun list. Would totally be up for another ranking next off-season
    Last edited by _me; July 26th, 2018 at 8:26 PM.

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    I am assuming the points scoring was 20 for first, 19 for second, 18 for third....1 for 20th

    I had Julius Peppers 4th (17 points) which means he only had 3 points amongst everybody else. I may have overrated him a bit but he definitely should have cracked the top 20. I feel like he has been a monster his whole career kinda like a poor mans Reggie White, but he's still phenomenal.

    154.5 Sacks, 4th all time
    3 first team all pro, 3 second team all pro
    9 pro bowls
    Only has had one season with fewer than 7 sacks in 16 seasons.

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    I completely overlooked Peppers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Pretty good goddamn list fellas.
    Good idea my dude. Next one should be qbs

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    QBs would be fun if it wasn't blatantly obvious who would (and should) win. Same issue with WR. I would say best RB would be fun and at least 4 guys have a legitimate argument for number 1.

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    I still say Best Super Bowl because there are so many choices and I don't know what would be #1. Votes would be all over the place.

    QB would be boring at #1 and likely #2 and #3 as well but interesting from like 4 through 20.

    I'd still choose either of these over RB or WR.

    Also I don't see why would couldn't do another one of these as the season is going

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Boombastic View Post
    QBs would be fun if it wasn't blatantly obvious who would (and should) win. Same issue with WR. I would say best RB would be fun and at least 4 guys have a legitimate argument for number 1.
    1 is a no brainer, but I think the rest of the list would be interesting.
    RB would also be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Were there any interesting outliers for LT or Reggie that ended up deciding it? Like, did anyone have either outside the top 5 (or even top 3)? You don't have to name names but I am curious if one person's ballot made the final choice.

    Very fun list. Would totally be up for another ranking next off-season
    Lowest they each got was 6th. They were in the top two several times and Taylor just ended up with a couple more 1st's to finish three whole points ahead.

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    QB would be fun outside of number 1, much like defensive players outside of 1 & 2.

    WR I think would be a blast with the influx of stud receivers in the expanded passing game over the last decade or so, even if no. 1 is a no brainer.

    I'd be all about RB, but I just did that in something similar on my Houston Texans mb. Wouldn't snub my nose at it if everyone wanted to do so, just not hyped to vote to do it again so soon.

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    All offensive players combined. Just like defensive players.

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    That's not a bad idea.

    Would be interesting to see how much people weigh offensive linemen into the mix.

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    QBs should be top 20, but I would cut Super Bowls to 10.
    At my house, we call them "uh-ohs".

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    How about just ranking the Super Bowls this century? Pretty solid list of games if you start from 1999-00 Season (Rams/Titans) to This season

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