he wouldnt have. he hardly gave a shit about being in the match to begin with.Originally Posted by PurePlayer
he wouldnt have. he hardly gave a shit about being in the match to begin with.
And the fans will be jumping up and down, doing the YES chant.
Do you realize how pissed people will be if Becky isn't in the main event?
Yes and get enjoyment out of people being pissed off.
I like watching the world burn so when inevitably Vince and co. talk themselves into Flair's kid winning I am very much going to enjoy the reaction.
It's the smart play putting Charlotte in for that reason. Match is going to be hot considering she'll be an outright heel for the crowd to target. I think Becky/Ronda is the better storyline, but considering WWE can't book for toffee anymore they'd cock it up by 'Mania and go in lukewarm with the 2 of them. May as well chuck Charlotte in there to hold the match together.
Becky's going to be in the match. All you have to do is watch WWE tv to see it. It's WWE. They telegraph their booking from miles away so nothing is a surprise to anyone who has watched for a long time and knows their tells.
The promo Charlotte did on SD was incredible. And all it did was underscore how Becky is 100% going to be in that match.
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Charlotte has like no merch. I wanted to go to Mania wearing Charlotte Flair gear.
She has merch.
It just all looks like ass.
Like I feel like a majority of their merch does anymore. I see these shirt sales and they all look shitty
I want to buy shirts for certain wrestlers, but they're so damn ugly. Even when they're discounted, I have no desire to buy them. I still need to get a Rusev Day shirt though.
I think Finn Balor and Kevin Owens have the best shirts. It's the shirts with the wrestler's damn faces on them that are cringe worthy to wear in public.
I would wear a KO or Balor Club shirt any time.
I quite like the Strowman shirts, it's like an outline or whatever of his face.
My kid has it.
Everyone thinks it's the Jack Links Sasquatch.
The odds of it seem slim, but I want The Usos versus The Revival.
after last nights Elimination Chamber, there's some exciting possibilities. But, it's a shame, the RAW side of the Mania card should have been:
Braun Strowman (c) vs. Seth Rollins (RR Winner) - Universal Championship
Bobby Lashley vs. Brock Lesnar
Finn Balor (c) vs. Drew McIntyre - IC Championship
They could still work towards Finn and Drew, especially if Finn is one of the guys to even the odds with Strowman against Drew, Baron, and Bobby.
They did mention Lashley wanting to face Lesnar so it's a possibility at some point, maybe not WM.
Would be quite nice to see Finn/Ricochet for the I-C belt at Mania, now.
I mean, they'd need to create some babyface rivalry in the next month or so, but that's easily done. I kind of want to see that match.
They've only called up Ricochet so he can be in the IC title ladder match.
So...
Finn, Ricochet, Drew, Lashley, Braun and Baron?
WON
hmm.Dave talked a lot on his show tonight about what he’s heard the last few days for WM. Here’s a summary.
Dave says that he’s been told that Bryan’s opponent for WM is someone who is being brought back, not someone who has been around recently. So possibly Sami, Kevin, Wyatt or someone like that. He speculates that it might be Owens given that the gimmick Owens is running in his vignettes is that he’s playing the everyman in his promos and Bryan is against that.
He says that as of this morning, Kofi was not the plan for Bryan at WM or Fastlane.
He also says that Undertaker is now is talks for a WM match again as of this weekend. Nothing official, but they are talking.
Says as of a week ago there was no deal for Batista and that Batista has no interest in AEW.
He mentioned that at one point, the plan for WM was Asuka vs. Lacey Evans for the SD Title, but he’s been told that that’s not the plan anymore and they haven’t decided who Asuka’s opponent will be. Says that it’s possible they go back to Lacey, but unlikely.
Worth saying because some are bringing it up, he says he does not expect it to be Cena vs. Bryan. Says Cena has other plans at WM.
I think Braun and Drew face each other.
Lashley vs Balor vs Ricochet vs Corbin vs Elias vs ??
Aleister Black.
KO vs. Bryan would be great, but the crowd is clearly into Kofi right now. I say that as a huge Kevin Owens fan.
Cena's other plans at Mania are for him to beg Nikki Bella to marry him, to give a boost to the Bella's reality show. But Taker will interrupt and we'll have another squash. Taker and Cena should not be rasslin' anymore, but put them in the nostalgia/comedy segment to settle the crowd, before the real main event Becky/Charlotte/Ronda closes the show.
I'm ok with Cena having matches 'cuz he can still go. Taker can fuck off forever now, though.
I read they did something with Heyman and Strowman last night on RAW, I'm hoping this leads to a Lesnar/Strowman match at some point with Strowman finally going over.
No more Taker pleeeeease.
His knees and hips don't bend anymore.
I'm hoping that Shane decides that he can't wrestle at this year's Mania, and he has a replacement go up against Miz. That guy being Samoa Joe. Give Joe a win (and match) at Mania! But have Joe keep killing Miz after the bell, and Shane runs in and attacks Joe to stop him. and get's dropped with the Muscle Buster.
make Joe a monster.
Oh yeah, i have no desire to ever see Shane wrestle any more matches again. If him and Miz are having a Mania match, it's gonna be my piss break. Shane's high spots are so watered down now they're basically homeopathic.
If 'Taker was a toy, he'd be "Stiff Armstrong".
Poor Asuka. Poor thing hasnt been on tv since the rumble and apparently at one point was gonna defend against Lacey evans. That match is supposedly scrapped thank god. If I had the books I am bringing over someone from raw o "grab the brass ring." Alexa comes to mind as I reckon nia is gonna be locked up in tag stuff unless they are gonna do sascha and bayley vs trish and lita at mania. Then nia showing up a fist punching asuka makes sense
Alexa seems like she's stuck. With Rousey as champ there's no room for another feud going on.
The Women's singles division on both brands are being overshadowed by RonBexLotte.
What is everyone's thoughts on this:
Revival vs. Bar vs. DIY at Mania for the New "Men's Tag Team Championships" ?
Would be OK if they were killing the brand split.
I personally think that it should be WWE Champion, Womens Champion, Tag Champs, Womens Tag Champs, Cruiser Champ. Should all float between brands. But keep the brand split.
IC stays on RAW, US stays on Smackdown.
And that at Mania, it should/will be KURT ANGLE vs. AJ STYLES in ANGLES RETIREMENT MATCH
Hawkins and Ryder are winning the tag belts at Mania
I'm putting it out into the world, I want, somehow, Daniel Bryan to defend against Shinsuke Nakamura at Mania.
Do it.
I don't want Nakamura to ruin another Mania match with a great worker like he did last year with AJ.
Shinsuke's nowhere near in a position to get that match any time soon.
In a world where everyone doesn't get a mania match, he might not even have been on the card. He's a dead fish.
Don't really watch the show do you?
Is that some Japanese dolphin type joke there at the end? Because dolphin's aren't fish.
I definitely feel like Daniel Bryan v. Shinsuke Nakamura would have been a great Mania match, belt or not. Right now though, getting Nakamura to that spot again where he's challenging for the World title seems difficult. He's about 9 down from challenging DB, he wasn't even considered for the Elimination Chamber. Not to mention I believe his contract expires in the next couple months and we don't know if he's going to stick around or move back to Japan.
Sad really. They both wanted that match when Nak was IC champ in NJPW and DB was IC champ. I think they tried to set some interpromotional situation when WWE was going on a tour of Japan at the time. That would've been SICK.
Cena v Bryan is the way to go here. No interest in seeing Bray in that spot
I would be shocked if Nakamura is on the main show at this point.
Hard to say. The US championship is on R-Truth, who hasn't wrestled since he won the damn thing. Par for the course with the US title.
So it's hard to really say where Nak fits. They could do a multi-man match for the US title with Truth, Rusev, Nakamura, maybe 1 other person like Jeff Hardy so that would be the last 4 US champions in one match. Maybe Rusev-Nakamura's team becomes a thing and they challenge the Usos?
I mean right now I can't even look at Finn Balor and for sure say he'll wind up on the main show. I could see him on the pre-show just like Dean v. Corbin a couple years ago which was total bullshit considering how over Dean is...but the feud wasn't so that was understandable but still, big name like Dean on the preshow was odd to me.
Screwy finish at Fastlane where Bryan knows Kofi has his number so he kicks him in the balls or hits him with the belt or whatever. Kofi vs. Bryan rematch at Mania where Kofi wins the big one.
I can see Big E getting jealous at the title opportunities that Kofi is getting, and Xavier trying to be a middle man that eventually ends up being a 3 way New Day match at WrestleMania.
Nah they are too valuable to split up, huge merch movers
Kofi is great and I'm pleased to see him get a push, but Cena v Bryan is a much, much bigger match. The backstory, hype and promos would be fantastic
Yeah I suppose you're right. I can dream though.
I prefer a fresher match with a more interesting dynamic and hotter crowd reaction, all of which I believe Kofi vs. Bryan would be.
Bryan will turn whatever he's given into the best men's match on the show.
Bryan and Owens?
I've heard rumblings. I'd be extremely okay with that.
Yea.
That seems to be the plan as of now. I just don't know if KO will be hot enough going into 'Mania for the fans to really get behind him.
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As cool as the Kofi underdog story is, I don't want it again at Mania.
My preference for Bryan:
1. vs Cena
2. vs Owens
3. vs NXT newcomer like Gargano (zero chance happening, I know)
You don't think the crowd would be red hot for Cena v Bryan? Also, I can recall their only PPV match ever being Summerslam 2013
Not really, no, and definitely not as hot as they would be for Kofi vs. Bryan. KofiMania is running wild right now. Sure, Bryan's the hottest heel at the moment but part-time Cena's not going to come in with nearly as much crowd support, if not have the crowd turning on him 'cuz he's John Cena, remember.
I think Kofi finally winning the big one would be a more interesting and exciting angle that the crowd would be more into than part-time John coming back for what most would assume is a one-off match before disappearing for another handful of months. Not much drama if most people are certain Cena's not going to win.
Plus, the story between Cena and Bryan would be what? Anything as interesting as the culmination of Kofi's eleven year career with his best friends by his side overcoming the hottest heel in the company? "But Bryan can yell at Cena for flying in airplanes a lot!" Whoopie. I'm not saying there's nothing there but it's going to make for something that's ok, good even, but Kofi vs. Bryan could be something great and an unforgettable Mania moment.
plus it would bring the bellas back in and no one wants that
Ooh, yeah, can't wait to hear Nikki and Brie talk about it on Total Bellas.
Brie: "Oh my god, it's, like, so exciting to see my man in the ring with her ex-man!"
Nikki: *drinks wine*
as repetitive as it is, for Mania... Styles vs. Bryan > Kofi vs. Bryan > Owens vs. Bryan
Hell no.
I think they've blown it on the Kofi story going to Wrestlemania. The play there is to make people think the push is done, get the backlash and the support, then pull the trigger. People will be bored of it if they already have a title match lined up. To me, it HAS to be an all time classic to warrant it going to 'Mania.
I can't believe they've not built a babyface, or a long term angle for Bryan. I guess you could say they planted Ali as an opponent and perhaps that was the plan, other than that and the overplayed Styles feud, he's not interacted with anyone else. The guess at this point is Owens winning a #1 contender battle royal as a surprise entrant. Or fucking Wyatt.
WWE always done this and I am very surprised they didn't last week. (They still might, by the way)..
when Daniel Bryan came out and said "I am not going to face any one of you at WrestleMania." it seemed a clear set up to end with him facing them All..
6 pack challenge for the belt at Mania. Bryan will object, because six packs kill dolphins, ducks, and fish.
that was just the elimination chamber
I think you are on the right track. If Kofi could win the title turn big e during the big celebration. E takes down Xavier and Kofi and stands over them to end the show with the belt held high.
Kofi vs e ends with e winning the title thanks to Xavier turning on kofi. This was the plan from the beginning to lure Kofi into a false sense of security. Kofi's world is turned upside down. Lost all his friends and the title. World turned upside down and the babyface chase for the title and justice would be out of this world.
You're telling me they will still have blown it if they have a good or top-tier match at Fast Lane only to have Rowan, Harper or both screw the finish?
My gut has been Bryan vs. Bray for Wrestlemania since Rowan got paired with Bryan. Seems like his opponent will be someone not on Smackdown right now since he just beat all the contenders in that Elimination Chamber Match. Which basically leaves Undertaker, Cena, Bray...list gets thin after that. Him against Rey would be an awesome match but I don't see that happening.
I'd personally go for Bryan vs. Cena, I think that would be a great match and there's a really interesting story with them almost being brothers-in-law.
lol okay.
If they do Bryan vs Cena, I'd rather the Bellas be kept well away from it. Hell Cena being a car collector and Bryan claiming he's polluting the planet would be.
Seriouslybjust a competitive match with Bryan tryingbto ruin Cena's legacy for good is fine.
I'll be pretty surprised if it isn't Kevin Owens facing Bryan.
I read that online oo but it doesn't make a whole of sense. Lashley was the one who put him out. Also they'd need time to create a build for it. I know he said he can go to either Raw or Smackdown but staying on Raw to avenge Lashley makes more sense,
I think Raw after Mania is more likely for an Owens return.
They don't remember things they booked the night before sometimes, they're not going to call back to that if it doesn't fit the narrative they want for Owens.
True.
I do laugh at the Owens vignettes though: "Training to get back into shape" *munches big bag of popcorn* and his son forgetting the change.
Roman and Big Dave being back helps with star power. I'm guessing they go into a personal Reigns/Ambrose feud with Ambrose stabbing Reigns in the back after the impending reunion. That's the only match that makes sense for me, unless he doesn't feel up to a big match so they hold off the in ring return until a Corbin squash here.
I'm not big on Dave/HHH as a match, but Dave's presence on the show is big. He's a star.
Angle, Undertaker and Cena are the wildcards. I can see 2 of the 3 wrestling each other, Angle getting his retirement match against one of his contemporaries or an actually promoted Cena/Taker match. The alternatives for Cena are McIntyre (most likely), Balor (for the Grand Slam) and Bryan (number 17). Another year, another group of wrestlers failing to get to their level due to bad booking.
Yeah, Dave/Trips is definitely not the match I'd have picked but it's just great to have him back.
Even now seems very difficult to piece together the card.
Rousey/Lynch/Flair
Lesnar/Rollins
Triple H/Dave
Miz/Shane
Asuka/Rose or Evans
Bryan/Owens or Cena for me. Doesn't look like they're going to run with Kofi given he's got the Fast Lane shot but you never know
Possibly Orton/Styles
There was talk of hair vs. mask for Rey/Andrade but maybe they'll add this to Orton/AJ and Joe/Ali
Murphy/the winner of the tournament, presumably KUSHIDA
ARMBAR
WBR
Then there's:
An IC title match for Finn
An endgame for the Corbin/Drew/Strowman stuff...
Reigns involvement
both sets of tag titles
Talk of both Taker and Angle having matches
All the new NXT guys knocking about
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I'll be honest....I don't need a match from Taker, Cena, or Angle. I get star power, but we've had so many events in 2018 that featured these men in high profile matches that nothing stands out. If I had to choose 1 of the 3 I'd probably roll with Cena. The most healthy, the youngest, and imo I don't think he's going to ever fully dip from the WWE.
Have someone like Drew, Balor, someone get the W over Cena and that'd be pretty big considering the lack of Cena matches these last couple years.
Taker and Angle.....This would be one of those times where you just do a segment and skip 10-20 minute matches.
Taker v. Angle should be a 'Retirement" match in that both guys should agree that if they don't win, their in-ring career is over. Then Angle should get a 4 min entrance, and Taker should get a 8-9 minute entrance, and the match itself should end in a double DQ countout after 45 seconds.
Both guys would honor this agreement until the next huge Saudi payday.
Besides the top 3 matches, I really have no clue where a lot of guys are going? Styles vs Orton makes sense as does Ali vs Joe or Andrade vs Rey but Truth holding the US title with all those guys is borderline criminal.
I mean with 9 hours of live action they should be able to squeeze every televised feud going on right now. But we're still over a month away, and the WWE are not shy about booking matches a week prior to the event so a lot could change.
I mean....Does Samoa Joe v. Mustafa Ali warrant a match at Mania at this moment? Probably not unless it blows up.
So really they'll need to assess the level of quality and such because while Mania is the draw itself, you still want to have a quality card. You don't want to just say "What part-timers do we have available? " and then work your way down, which seems like the way they've booked Mania since fuck I don't know, WM 25....
I would at the very least try to get every main roster championship on the card. Or at the very least every champion, I mean how many times did the IC champ wrestle on the Mania card but not defend the title? Shelton Benjamin I think was IC champ in MITB.
There's at least three viable undercard matches that can come from Smackdown with Orton, Styles, Ali, Joe, Almas, Mysterio. The best solution is putting the US title on one of the last four and consolidating them to one match for the title. I'm not sure you can get away with three matches unless you're cheapening one or two of them due to time.
I still like the idea of The Revival versus The Usos in a champions versus champions grudge match. That knocks out two matches down into one and you have to imagine that's going to be really good.
This last one really depends on his general availability/health but I wouldn't put it past them to look at Reigns versus Ambrose.
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If Roman can go, Reigns v. Ambrose could have the most heat on the card. And correct me if I'm wrong but they have only wrestled each other a few times, right? I can remember the Survivor Series final, the triple threat with Rollins for the World title, outside of that I can't think of any others because they've both been babyfaces since Rollins turned and Ambrose turned back to a heel when Roman bounced.
Main Events:
Rousey vs. Lynch vs. Flair
Lesnar vs. Rollins
Batista vs. HHH
Reigns vs. Ambrose
Bryan vs. Owens
Main card:
Cena vs. Angle
Orton vs. Styles
Miz vs. Shane
One of the midcard titles in a ladder match
The other in a 4 way (Balor/McIntyre/Strowman/Lashley or Joe/Andrade/Rey/Kofi)
Asuka vs. Battle Royal winner
Sasha/Bayley vs. Trish/Lita or the Bella's
Pre-Show:
Women's Battle Royal
Andre Battle Royal
Cruisers
One of the tag titles, probably New Day vs. Uso's vs. Bar vs. Nakamura/Rusev or something.
This thing might last 142 years. In a theoretical world you can break up the multi-man matches (so, Joe defending against Kofi with a Rey vs. Andrade blowoff, and Balor/Lashley and Drew/Braun), add an Undertaker match and add the other tag title as well. I'm finding it hard to condense that down to less than 16 matches. Maybe Reigns is left out of the ring and Ambrose ends up in the battle royal. Maybe Cena faces Bryan, Owens is held back for Raw and Angle gets involved in the IC title or battle royal as his retirement match. I think it kind of has to be a proper storyline ending for a wrestler of his calibre though if it is his last go of it. And perhaps they have Sasha/Bayley defend at Takeover instead and they simply go in the battle royal. There we are then, that's the condensed 13 match card:
Rousey vs. Lynch vs. Flair
Lesnar vs. Rollins
Bryan vs. Cena
HHH vs. Batista
IC title ladder match (Ambrose, Strowman, Balor, Corbin, McIntyre, Lashley, Rush)
Styles vs. Orton
Styles vs. Miz
US Title (Joe, Kofi, Rey, Andrade)
Asuka vs. Battle Royal winner
Andre Battle Royal
Pre Show:
Uso's vs. Bar vs. New Day vs. Nakamura/Rusev
Murphy vs. Alexander
Women's Battle Royal
They were also in a triple threat with Lesnar.
Sad thing is I literally just watched that show, Fastlane 2016, Sunday night lol. That was a good fucking match. The card was pretty shit though. Outside of AJ Styles v. Jericho and this triple threat you had turd matches like Ryback, Show, Kane v. Wyatts minus Bray, Charlotte v. Brie, Sasha/Becky v. Naomi/Tamina, fuck i don't even remember the other matches.
So, after tonight, Bryan/Kofi or Bryan/Kofi/Owens seems like a go, and I think we get The Usos vs. The Hardyz. Rey and Andrade will almost certainly be involved with the US Title somehow, whether it's a final showdown between the two after one wins it from Truth, or a bigger match involving the other names that are kinda lost in the shuffle right now.
Still not even an inkling of what's going on with Asuka and the Smackdown Women's Championship, though it'll probably be vs. Evans or Rose like someone else said.
It'll definitely veer into the less important of the potential three matches on the main card involving women. I don't have a lot of faith it'll be given a stronger emphasis than the tag title match.
One thing to take into account, I don't think the NXT guys we've seen over the last two weeks will be involved on the card here because I'm guessing/assuming they'll be used to round out the NXT Takeover card.
Interestingly enough, my memory kind of lost track of the consistency they showed at Mania last year with the championship singles matches. All four of the top title matches (Universal, WWE, Raw Women's, SD Women's) were one-on-one and the secondary title matches were multi-man matches. Clearly getting a multi with the Raw women's title. Universal appears to be one-on-one. The other two are up for grabs. If it were me, I'd have the SD women's match be a multi-woman match and then the WWE title match be Kofi and Bryan. I have a feeling it'll be flipped though and we get something like Evans vs. Asuka and then Owens vs. Kingston vs. Bryan.
Rousey/Lynch/Flair - Raw Women's Title
Bryan/Kingston/Owens - WWE Title
Rollins/Lesnar - Universal Title
Hawkins and Ryder/The Revival (that's a stretch but feasible) - Raw Tag Title
The Hardyz/The Usos - SD Tag Title
Andrade/Mysterio - US Title
Orton/Styles
Asuka/Evans - SD Women's Title
Miz/Shane
Batista/Triple H
Women's Tag Title
IC Title
CW Title
Women's Battle Royal
Men's Battle Royal
That still leaves the option of Reigns/Ambrose if they want to go there. If they add that, and have the CW title match on the preshow with the battle royals, that's two more matches on the main card compared to last year.
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There is no fantasy booking concept in the world that could convince me that splitting up New Day is not be the stupidest fucking idea of all time.
Speaking of stupid fantasy booking concepts, how about Cena v Orton wherein Randy attempts his greatest ever Legend Killing scalp?
Yeah, I'd much rather see each guy get some singles gold as a group before there's even a tease of a break up. Now a gauntlet situation where the New Day brothers have to face off out of respect? That'd be cool. But no break up New Day.
What if they were to do a Money In The Bank Ladder Match, and have Roman win it. And then cash in - in the Main Event, pinning Lesnar.
That'd be crazy.
Right?
I would say "who wants to see Roman/Brock again?" But quite clearly, the answer is Vince.
Sami Zayn, social change advocate, costs best friend Kevin Owens the title at Fast Lane and joins Bryan's crew. It just makes too much sense. Onto the card. Saddle up guys. special start time of mid bastard day:
Raw Women's Title: Rousey vs. Lynch vs. Flair
Universal Title: Lesnar vs. Rollins
WWE Title: Bryan vs. Kingston
Batista vs. Triple H
Reigns vs. Ambrose
Undertaker vs. Angle
IC Title Ladder match: Balor, Lashley, Corbin, Rush, Ricochet, Black, Elias
US Title: Truth vs. Cena
SD Tag Titles: Uso's vs. Hardy's
Mask vs. Hair: Mysterio vs. Andrade
Styles vs. Orton
Miz vs. McMahon
Owens vs. Zayn
Strowman vs. McIntyre
Women's Tag Titles: Boss 'N Hug vs. Trish and Lita
SD Women's Title: Asuka vs. Rose vs. Deville
Raw Tag Titles: Revival vs. Hawkins/Ryder
Cruiserweight Title: Murphy vs. Alexander
Andre Battle Royal (still a decent top heavy line up with Joe, Nak, Rusev, The Bar, Roode, Ziggler, Wyatt, Big Show, Ali)
Women's Battle Royal (again, still not short on names with Nia, Natalya, Riot Squad, Bliss, Carmella, Naomi)
It's ridiculous that that is a plausible card. How many fuckers do they actually have under contract nowadays?!
Wrestlemania should be two days. That's just ridiculous. I'm almost not looking forward to it.
I genuinely think that the actual event itself is the worst bit of the whole week if you are there.
I mean 'worst' is the wrong term but everything else is great. 7 hours is such a long time.
Good job we've got a fucking box then Beebs.
We have. i don't know if you've got a ticket yet.
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