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    Is there really a way to make this catch rule more simple though than what they laid out? There is always going to be a catch/no catch that isn't agreed upon. I am not directing this question to you but just to anyway. It seems like they are trying to do the best they can but they are damned either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    Is there really a way to make this catch rule more simple though than what they laid out? There is always going to be a catch/no catch that isn't agreed upon. I am not directing this question to you but just to anyway. It seems like they are trying to do the best they can but they are damned either way
    I think they did a good job except that last line which I'd like the them to explain so I can figure out what they mean. But yea they are bringing back the "football move" part which is smart

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    JPP traded.

    Buccaneers get:
    Jason Pierre-Paul
    4th-rd pick

    Giants get:
    3rd-rd pick
    4th-rd pick

    I believe the Giants will carry $15 million in dead cap for him this year (the remainder of his signing bonus). Saves them $2.5 million on the cap this year, and then they are free of him after this season. Interesting move. I like it for the Bucs.

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    Every time that cannon goes off in Tampa Bay's stadium its going to give JPP flashbacks...

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    I wonder if the Giants are looking to acquire as many picks as possible and trade back to fill as many holes as possible. Or they could be acquiring the extra pick so they can take a qb and have other picks for other positions. Or this could mean they are intending on taking Chubb at 2.

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    PFT had a good explanation for that last part of the proposed catch rule:

    That last component apparently was implemented to address situations where the player has no reason to take a third step or reach/extend the ball, such as when a catch happens in the end zone. Absent some sort of time element, a player who has the ball knocked out of his hands the instant he gets a second foot down in the end zone would be regarded as having caught the ball, even though most would viscerally react to that by saying, “No catch.” So the player who catches the ball in a situation where he doesn’t want or need to take a third step or reach/extend the ball needs to have the ball in his possession for some period of time before a catch becomes a catch.

    The third option to the third element potentially complicates replay review, since Riveron in those cases won’t be simply looking at whether a third step was taken or the player reached/extended the ball but whether he could have done either. When replay reviews revolving application of the third option to the third element occur, it will be critical for Riveron to resist engaging in a frame-by-frame review of the play and to defer to the ruling made in real time that the player had the ability to take a third step or reach/extend.
    Makes sense I guess. If you're already in the end zone there's no reason to make a football move so this is where it naturally gets dicey and comes down to a judgment call on if the receiver had it for long enough before getting it knocked away.

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    Yeah that doesn't seem like it cleared up much at all.

    Whoops missed the last 6 posts of discussion, for some reason I thought I was on the last post with Fro's picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I wonder if the Giants are looking to acquire as many picks as possible and trade back to fill as many holes as possible. Or they could be acquiring the extra pick so they can take a qb and have other picks for other positions. Or this could mean they are intending on taking Chubb at 2.
    Think the latter looks awfully reasonable now. He's got a scheduled visit in NY soon. Personally think Chubb is a better prospect than Garrett was last year.

    Screws the Colts to some degree, helps the Browns if they want to pull off Darnold/Barkley at 1/4, and helps the Jets get closer to the qb of their choice.

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    Bleacher Report had a quote from an AFC exec saying Darnold was definitely going 1 after his pro day.

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    1. Cleveland - Sam Darnold
    2. NY Giants - Bradley Chubb
    3. NY Jets - Josh Rosen
    4. Cleveland - Saquon Barkley

    .. looks like the beginning of the draft may be taking shape. Not that these are locks whatsoever either, just moves now making these look more likely is all.

    After Cleveland at 4 things start to get really interesting..

    5. Denver - Josh Allen, QB
    6. Indianapolis - Calvin Ridley, WR
    7. Tampa Bay - Quenton Nelson, G
    8. Chicago - Tremaine Edwards, LB
    9. San Francisco - Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB
    10. Oakland - Roquan Smith, LB

    or nothing remotely like this.

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    USC qb drafted by Cleveland first overall. It is the perfect recipe for a bust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrandolph1985 View Post
    USC qb drafted by Cleveland first overall. It is the perfect recipe for a bust.
    How so?

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    Just a bad joke. Cleveland picks poorly and USC qbs tend to not do much in the NFL.

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    Fair play, yo.

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    I think Cleveland will take Allen #1. They have Taylor this year to groom Allen for a year. I’m more excited to see what the Giants do at 2. I honestly don’t think they can go wrong with Chubb, Barkley, or Nelson. They are the top three prospects, and the Giants have to be giddy.

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    No way Indy goes WR with their wealth of 2nd round picks. They would certainly take best DB or even trade further back to get an ILB

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    I think Cleveland will take Allen #1. They have Taylor this year to groom Allen for a year. I’m more excited to see what the Giants do at 2. I honestly don’t think they can go wrong with Chubb, Barkley, or Nelson. They are the top three prospects, and the Giants have to be giddy.
    This guy has bust written all over him, not convinced he gets close to being the number 1 pick

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    No way Indy goes WR with their wealth of 2nd round picks. They would certainly take best DB or even trade further back to get an ILB
    That was a tough one. Suppose I'm just sold on Ridley being head and shoulders above every wideout in this draft and a legit playmaker to come, where they have absolutely nothing past Hilton. Handful of good corners looking to be at the top of the 2nd as well.

    Could easily give Indy M Fitzpatrick, D James, or D Ward and it'd make perfect sense, sure. Then slide Ridley back to SF and give Jimmy G a weapon to grow with.

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    Really hoping Ridley slides to GB

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    I think Denzel Ward is right there behind Chubb. He can come right in and start and think he would be a good fit for Indy.

    I don't think there is any chance GB goes WR. I think they need defense badly don't they? They still have Cobb, Adams, and Graham on offense. They need defensive playmakers.

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    They do need defense, but they really don’t have anyone to replace Jordy either.
    They have signed some guys to “kinda” shore up the d. They do need more help, but I think they could draft Ridley in the first then address the d the rest of the draft

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    Yeah but WR is pretty deep where they can get a good one in round 3 whereas it might be harder to find a defensive starter in round 3. Josh Jackson would be a nice pick at corner and then they can probably get a damn good WR in round 2 or 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hithit View Post
    They do need defense, but they really don’t have anyone to replace Jordy either.
    They have signed some guys to “kinda” shore up the d. They do need more help, but I think they could draft Ridley in the first then address the d the rest of the draft
    They signed Adams to big a deal to replace Jordy. They also have a history of
    A) not drafting WRs in the 1st rd
    B) WRs not being impactful or getting much playing time in their rookie season (Nelson/Cobb/Adams all 2nd rd picks who were not starting WRs their first seasons)

    Granted, they have a new GM, so he could switch it up. But considering that he was groomed under Thompson, I would be surprised if they drafted Ridley in the 1st.

    I expect them to draft Derwin James, and potentially even trade up a few spots to get him. Other guys I would personally be stoked on: Tremaine Edmunds; Roquan Smith; Denzel Ward; Minkah Fitzpatrick. I think all those guys will be gone by 14, but shit happens...

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    Also, to clarify, I like Ridley and if he went to GB, I think he would be the best prospect at the position they will have had in Rodgers' career, which is pretty exciting. But I also like the guys listen in my last post more and think they fill a bigger "need." At 14, whichever position they address should hopefully be someone who can make an impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    They signed Adams to big a deal to replace Jordy. They also have a history of
    A) not drafting WRs in the 1st rd
    B) WRs not being impactful or getting much playing time in their rookie season (Nelson/Cobb/Adams all 2nd rd picks who were not starting WRs their first seasons)

    Granted, they have a new GM, so he could switch it up. But considering that he was groomed under Thompson, I would be surprised if they drafted Ridley in the 1st.

    I expect them to draft Derwin James, and potentially even trade up a few spots to get him. Other guys I would personally be stoked on: Tremaine Edmunds; Roquan Smith; Denzel Ward; Minkah Fitzpatrick. I think all those guys will be gone by 14, but shit happens...
    the new gm has already shown he is different than ted, so that argument doesn't really work.
    adams wasn't signed to replace jordy, he had pretty much already taken his job as the no.1 wr on the team. let me ask you this, who are they gonna put on the outside opposite of adams? cobb? ty? neither one of them have the size to do it.
    i understand that we need some d help, but for my money ridley would be the best option.

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    On the outside opposite of Adams will likely be Allison, Yancey, or a draft pick. None seem like they could be an immediate replacement of Nelson, I understand. But the receiving corps as a whole, with Adams, Cobb, and Graham, is not an empty cabinet.

    And also, I don't think Gute has really been that different from Thomson imo. A lot of Packers fans are actually upset that he promised to be aggressive but is actually just doing the same thing Thompson was doing. He signed an aging TE that was not too unlike signing Cook or Bennett. He cut Nelson which was not too unlike cutting Sitton. And signed Mo which was not too unlike signing Guion.

    The primary difference is that each of the moves under Gute have been higher profiles and bigger names, imo.

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    I haven’t heard one person that is a Packer fan say they are upset by anything he has done.
    I understand they have talent at the wr position, but if you can add another piece, you do.
    If a defensive player you like is available, I ain’t gonna be mad if they draft them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    I expect them to draft Derwin James, and potentially even trade up a few spots to get him. Other guys I would personally be stoked on: Tremaine Edmunds; Roquan Smith; Denzel Ward; Minkah Fitzpatrick. I think all those guys will be gone by 14, but shit happens...
    I get the hype on T Edwards, but I also don't get the hype on T Edwards. His athleticism is pretty remarkable, and yes I know how old he is. Nonetheless his football IQ appears pretty dim at best and there's no definitive reason to believe that he'll mature into understanding the game much more than he already does. He's a scouts dream. I'd take Rashaan Evans over him. But I'd take Rashaan Evans over R Smith as well as I've got him as the best LB in this class.

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    What are your thoughts on Vander Esch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    What are your thoughts on Vander Esch?
    Solid ILB prospect in just about every regard. Solid diagnosis, solid pursuit, solid angles, solid shoulder leverage, solid drop, solid breakdown tackling. Combine those with his frame and athleticism and it's no wonder he's rocketed up the majority of boards. Would like to see him play with a little more downhill recklessness at times, a little more here and there commitment to destroying a play he diagnoses quickly. But that can also come with experience and he's working off of only one season as a starter, so ok.

    Looks like a young stud.

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    Any thoughts on the rule changes? Lowering the helmet and leading with it will now be a 15 yard penalty all across the board (even if it's a runner not a defenseless receiver & if an offensive player does it). And now they're saying kickoffs may be eliminated soon (not this year, but in the coming years). Schefty getting real dramatic:

    @AdamSchefter 14 minutes ago:
    Football, as we know it, is being overhauled.

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    Kickoffs being eliminated seems dramatic to me. I know there are some unnecessary injuries that happen, but it can be one of the most exciting plays in all of sports, it adds an extra level to the game and I feel getting rid of it eliminates that excitement and would seem to put several special teasers out of a job.

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    I would be sad if kickoffs get removed but I could deal with it. It can be an exciting play but usually isn't. It's important for field position and I love when my team does that high arcing kick that lands just at the 3 yard line so it has to be returned and we tackle them at the 15, but if their stats are accurate in that concussions are 5x more likely to happen on a kickoff, getting rid of it isn't unreasonable. Obviously punt returns need to remain in the game so we would still have those. To the point that it puts some specialists out of jobs, that's true but I struggle to understand that argument because then another player will gain a job so there's no net loss job-wise.

    The helmet rule will be interesting to see how it plays out this year. They are going to need to make it very clear what is and isn't a penalty (which they say they will do in the coming months). It could be ugly until it's sorted out. Flags flying, possible ejections, players pissed, coaches pissed, fans pissed. I suppose the league should be commended for putting safety ahead of the quality of its product when their ratings are already on a downturn. This really could change the game because lowering your head happens all the time.

    "Really what we're looking at are space plays. If you're there to receive a blow, that’s different. We're not saying you can't protect yourself. But if you're going to go forward and bring your head and initiate contact, yes (it’s prohibited)."

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    Eliminating the XP after a game winning touchdown makes sense. It's always a bit awkward. But, the Saints Punter after the Minneapolis miracle was hilarious.

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    I don't have any issues with the helmet rule. the helmet is there to protect not use as a weapon for tackling

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    Brandon Cooks and a Fourth Round Pick to the LA Rams for a 23rd overall pick and a six round pick in this years draft.

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    Solid deal for LA, essentially drafting Cooks in the first while moving up two rounds later ... if they can extend him beyond 2018.

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    Bad deal for the Rams IMO. 1 year of Cooks at $8.5 million before he hits free agency for the 23rd pick? Bad value. I will miss Cooks who I think was solid in his one year here but I wouldn't turn that deal down. Interesting things happening in Patriotland. Could they draft a QB in the 1st, possibly after trading up? Will Gronk be traded? Will they just use the picks on an OT or best player available? Hopefully the latter. They only drafted 4 players last year, they need to restock on youngsters.

    I like the move a lot given the great return.

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    I think it'll work out fine on both sides as Cooks is definitely an upgrade over Watkins, and NE may get a chance to draft Tom's heir or to stock up until he decides he's done.

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    Which heir QB would they draft? Slim pickings after the 'big 4', all of whom should be gone well before 23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Which heir QB would they draft? Slim pickings after the 'big 4', all of whom should be gone well before 23.
    They could use the picks they've piled up and trade up

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    They could use the picks they've piled up and trade up
    Real talk.

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    Yea, Cooks is a very good, but not great WR. A very good WR is one of easiest positions to draft/develop in my opinion. The fact that the Pats and Saints both gave up on him does not seem to bode well for the guy either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Boombastic View Post
    Yea, Cooks is a very good, but not great WR. A very good WR is one of easiest positions to draft/develop in my opinion. The fact that the Pats and Saints both gave up on him does not seem to bode well for the guy either.
    I agree with your sentiment except the last part. He got traded for 1st round picks TWICE. Yea the teams gave up on him so to speak, but that shows he was very valuable last offseason and very valuable this offseason. As a 24 year old with 3300 yards and 24 TDs in the last 3 years, he is in line to make bank next offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Boombastic View Post
    Yea, Cooks is a very good, but not great WR. A very good WR is one of easiest positions to draft/develop in my opinion. The fact that the Pats and Saints both gave up on him does not seem to bode well for the guy either.
    WR is consistently the position most judged wrong from what I've seen. The disparity between talent and 'getting it' and the nuance involved from college to the pros is tremendous. Tons of top-graded college kids who've been completely shut out in the pros. Besides QB I'd say it may be the toughest position to consistently get right.

    RB, TE, DT, EDGE, and CB I'd rank as all easier to draft/develop.

    S, WR, and QB all trickier.

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    Maybe it depends on what team we follow, I suppose. The lions have drafted 7 RB in the first 3 rounds since 2000(post Barry Sanders era). Only one ever achieved a 1000 yard season, Kevin Jones in his rookie year 2004. Also, the only significant contributor in later rounds (4-7) in that span has been Theo Riddick.

    This is not to mention we have not had one 100 yard rushing game in over 4 years. (I apologize for using "we" when referring to my team, like I'm a member of it or something, one of my biggest pet peeves, along with run-on sentences, lol.


    It has been an epic failure trying to find even a decent rb, granted a piss poor oline is probably the biggest reason, but RB has not been an easy fix for them. This goes the same for CB position as until like the last 3years, this was always a position of weakness for the lions since the early 90s.

    Conversely, DL/Wr have had plenty of studs. Robert Porcher, Tracy Scroggins, Luther Ellis, James Hall, Cliff Avril, , Ziggy Ansah, , Suh, all for Defensive Lineman. Herman Moore, Brett Perriman, Johnnie Morton, Germane Crowell ( for like 2 years), Roy Williams (even though he kinda sucked), Calvin Johnson, Tate, and Kenny Golladay (showing promise).

    Maybe who we root for skews our opinion on this.
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    I'm not going off of my home team so much as the league at large when I'm sizing up prospects each year.

    Also never thought I'd hear a Lions fan stick up for their wr picks, of all positions.

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    Besides the Millen era, who drafted shitty at all positions, the lions have always had a solid to great WR corps, in my fan lifetime.

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    They didn't draft Tate though, right?

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    No, but he made a huge jump on the lions. He was a fairly average WR in his first few years with the Seahawks and now I would argue he is a top 15-20 WR in the league the last 4 years. He is maybe the best free agent acquisition that I can remember for the Lions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Boombastic View Post
    Besides the Millen era, who drafted shitty at all positions, the lions have always had a solid to great WR corps, in my fan lifetime.
    But this is about who teams drafted and how they panned out. You're looking post-Millen at Derrick Williams, Corey Fuller, Titus Young, Ryan Broyles, and Kenny Golladay.

    Not many early picks to really go off of, and so that's fair, but not much to write home about either.

    And like I said, I'm talking about the league as a whole. Where WR is continually noted by evaluators as one of the few hardest to measure for success. It's right there with OL, S, and QB.

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    Tell that to the Steelers. Since 98: Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, Antwan Randle El, Santonio Holmes, Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown, Martavis Bryant, , Ju Ju Smith Schuster.

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    Well ya, but then I'd be leaving other 31 teams out of that whole league at large part.

    And in that cherry-picked time..

    Will Blackwell
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    .. and I only included the 3rd round or higher picks there that didn't work out.

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    I mean we can probably agree to disagree, my original point is that Cooks is replaceable. It is not like he is in the elite WR category like a Brown/Beckham/Julio Jones. It is a good move for the Pats and the Rams are clearly going all in this year, so they better hope Cooks is a significant upgrade from Watkins or be willing to pay him next year or this may not work out great for them.

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    Cooks is a pretty clear upgrade from Watkins. And sure he's also replaceable, but it's not likely by anyone not named Ridley in this draft class.

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    Wonderlick scores leaked for this years QB class:


    • Josh Allen: 37
    • Josh Rosen: 29
    • Sam Darnold: 28
    • Baker Mayfield: 25
    • Lamar Jackson: 13


    Of course we can then debate the merits of the test and what it means for an NFL QB but interesting none the less. I feel like Lamar Jackson hasn't done himself any favors with his approach to things. Not running a 40, having mom as his agent, poor score here. I feel like these things all could have been avoided. I wonder if having an agent would have changed the other issues.

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    Rosen getting a 29 is a bigger surprise to me. Thought that dude was supposed to be really smart. Do NFL teams put a lot of stock into this? I wouldn't think so. But if they did, Allen scoring so high could be an indicator that he has the intelligence to be coached and refine his raw talent.

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    29 isn't a bad score.

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    I have seen that the threshold for a good QB is 24. Anything above that and there is no correlation between score and scusess, only that those below 24 tend to have a much smaller success rate.

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    And wonderlic is a really strange thing in that people tend to want to either put way too much stock into it or none at all for some reason.

    Truth is it has a comfortable value as one simple metric to be taken into account with all the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    29 isn't a bad score.
    I know it isn't a *bad* score but I feel like a lot of the stuff I've seen in the media is about how Rosen is this super smart kid who is well beyond his years etc etc. And while is a 29 isn't bad, per se, the wonderlic is a really easy test (I've had to take one irl before) and I just would have expected Rosen to get at least a 40. Not saying his 29 is disappointing or anything, just merely that it was surprising to me is all.

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    So McShay put together his 'Grade A' 3-round mock.

    Not done on predicting teams' picks based on info so much as putting together picks that he would grade out after the fact as straight a's.


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    Jarvis Landry: 5 years, 75.5mil, 47mil gtd. $$$.

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    Definitely an overpay by the Browns to give elite WR money to a slot guy but they've got the dough and are trying to turn things around so I don't hate it. He's only 25 so that's good. If they're smart they will front load this deal big time. I think they've got around $60 mil in cap room right now so cap space isn't an issue this year. I would make his year 1 salary huge so his cap hit is lower after that.

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    49ers linebacker Reuben Foster charged with three felonies

    San Francisco 49ers linebacker Reuben Foster has been charged with three felonies, including domestic violence, in connection with his February arrest, the Santa Clara District Attorney's office announced Thursday.

    Officials said Foster, now 24, "physically attacked" his live-in girlfriend, leaving "her bruised and with a ruptured eardrum." Officials said Foster dragged her by her hair, physically threw her out of the house and punched her in the head eight to 10 times.

    Foster is scheduled to be arraigned Thursday in San Jose. He faces charges of domestic violence with an allegation that he inflicted great bodily injury, forcefully attempting to prevent a victim from reporting a crime, and possession of an assault weapon -- all felonies.

    In addition, he was charged with misdemeanor possession of a large-capacity weapon magazine. During a search of the home, police found a Sig Sauer 516 and a large-capacity magazine, both of which are illegal to possess in California.

    If convicted, officials said he could face more than 11 years in prison.
    This kid is wicked talented as a football player. Damn shame he's also a colossal asshole.

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    If he is guilty I hope they throw the book at him.

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    Dez and Jerry Jones reportedly meeting now with the expectation that he'll be released due to his $16.5 million cap hit. Assuming there is no last-minute restructure reached with the Cowboys, where do you guys think he'll land? I'm going to guess 49ers. They have the cap space, they have the QB, they could use a WR.

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    Dez dropped it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Dez and Jerry Jones reportedly meeting now with the expectation that he'll be released due to his $16.5 million cap hit. Assuming there is no last-minute restructure reached with the Cowboys, where do you guys think he'll land? I'm going to guess 49ers. They have the cap space, they have the QB, they could use a WR.
    49ers is probably a good bet. I'd include Baltimore and maybe even Indianapolis as a dark horse.

    New England as well
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    I saw on twitter that Dez told them on his way out, "I'll be seeing you twice this season."

    A lot of ppl seem to think it will be either WAS or NYG.

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    In the span of basically a year Torn has lost Romo, Longoria and now Dez. Tough go.

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    If Dez goes to NYG I will literally vomit

    Look I can see the reasons why he's gone, the financial reasons as his cap numbers hurt to look at, injuries and the Seattle game said everything about his decline in production but I'm still super pissed and if he goes somewhere where he has a QB who will actually chuck it up to him he's gonna be a red zone monster again

    Super pissed

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    WR, LB or guard in the first round this year then

    Percussion my man how are the WR prospects looking, Cowboys have been clearly heavily looking into a first rounder judging by their visits

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    Come to GB and play with a real QB Dez

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    This is an NCAA news bit but regarding the war on kickoffs...

    The NCAA announced today that on all kickoffs in college football, the receiving team will have the option to fair catch the ball anywhere inside the 25-yard line and have the play count as a touchback.
    I read somewhere that the NFL said touchbacks don't even make the play safer because guys still get slammed while blocking before the play is ruled dead so idk if this will even help, but either way it's likely a sign of things to come in both leagues.

    I wouldn't hate Dez on the Pats if the price was right. 1 year/8.5 mil and I'm in. Not sure what his market will be, might need a prove-it deal and try to re-up his value for a new longer contract in 2019 at age 30.

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    Don't think it's a stretch to guess that there are more collisions on actual returns than on touchbacks.

    Regardless, bummer to see the kickoff getting carved out.

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    PERCUSSION TELL ME ABOUT WR IN THE DRAFT PLZ

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    DJ Moore from Maryland is legit at 19.

    Not huge but sturdy with plus athleticism/body control. Route running needs work, but so does that of 95% of wr coming out nowadays. He's used a lot of routes, but breaking/footwork needs drilling. Hands are good, not stellar. Can play inside and out. Runs really well after the catch. Also could be used initially on returns. Seems very coachable.

    On the whole this looks like a bleh year for wideouts though.

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    He sounds good but not happy about the thoughts on the class as a whole if this is the year we choose to guy receiver early

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    There's actually a lot of depth in this class at the position, if you're in the market for a strong no 2. Only one no 1 target stud imo here and that's Calvin Ridley. And I don't know that he's quite dynamic enough to part with much to move up to get him. If he somehow fell to 19 though. After that Moore is still a good look, and he could earn his way into a solid if not spectacular no 1 role, like a Doug Baldwin or Stefon Diggs. Then you're looking at a logjam of strong no 2 candidates in James Washington, Dante Pettis, Courtland Sutton, Christian Kirk, Antonio Callaway, DJ Chark, etc. All offering something legit but all a good chunk of skillset or development away from being consistent outside threats as pros.

    Times like this it's usually best to suck it up and go BPA as your roster is more important than any one position.

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    Sounds fair. I think it's likely the Cowboys go either a WR, a linebacker (Vander Esch?) or a guard (Will Hernandez?) in the first round. Safety is the other spot but I'm not sure the talent at 19 will match up. I've seen DT mocked but Irving and Collins are there already to play 3-tech and they don't value the 1-tech enough to spend a high pick on the position. A gamechanging 3-tech is huge in the current scheme mind but I think there are bigger needs. Cowboys have used their pre-draft visits on most of those WR you have mentioned and that's always a good indication of who is going to end up being drafted for this team so I expect one to be picked up at some point. Also 10 picks so I expect some wheeling and dealing and probably a move up somewhere.

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    maybe if dez made that catch he wouldn't have become so shit

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    Vikings sign Eric Kendricks to 5 year/50 million extension. Great signing. Between him and Anthony Barr, I'd rather have Kendricks extended.

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    He'll have a few suitors. Miami seems logical with Gase as coach. Are the Bronocos hoping Barkley falls to them at 5?

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    I would think that's their plan.

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    There's a very good chance the first four picks are QB's. The Giants are the only one who could pick Barkley. I think the Browns trade out of the 4th pick to a QB needy team.

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    I love this:

    Good news for east coast NFL fans: All primetime games this year are starting earlier this season, per a league source (all times Eastern):

    MNF: 8:15 kickoff (up from 8:30)
    SNF: 8:20 kickoff (from 8:30)
    TNF: 8:20 kickoff (from 8:25)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I love this:

    Good news for east coast NFL fans: All primetime games this year are starting earlier this season, per a league source (all times Eastern):

    MNF: 8:15 kickoff (up from 8:30)
    SNF: 8:20 kickoff (from 8:30)
    TNF: 8:20 kickoff (from 8:25)
    Thank god I can get to bed 5 min earlier on Thursday night.

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    Hahaha I was just about to say the same thing. Those five minutes are going to make a world of difference.

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