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    Think you're gonna be waiting a while bud due to HB's technical difficulties. The debate curse slowness strikes again in the form of internal server errors.

    Though I'm pretty sure I know how it's gonna turn out, when does our main page vote start?

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    Done. Why are you so sure how it will turn out Badger?

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    Are our last two posts going to count, considering it is after the 36-hour window? Again, don't really know how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Are our last two posts going to count, considering it is after the 36-hour window? Again, don't really know how this works.
    Generally, with Cewsh, if he hasn't closed the debate, whatever is posted before that is legal, assuming it follows all the normal guidelines.

    Really happy to see you two got to finish the debate. It started so strong.

    EDIT: I also love when debates start focusing on the definition of the topic. Really spices the competition up.
    Last edited by Psycho666Soldier; October 22nd, 2017 at 9:04 PM.

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    You guys are totally fine. I’ll get these on the main page today.

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    Great debate BG.

    I have some remarks I'd like to share, but I will save them until voting is complete.

    Awesome tournament and a pleasure to be a part of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Badger View Post
    Great debate BG.

    I have some remarks I'd like to share, but I will save them until voting is complete.

    Awesome tournament and a pleasure to be a part of.
    I really enjoyed the back and forth, HB. Great debate.

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    You guys did a phenomenal job.

    Voting will end in two days, so please vote now!

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    soxfanatic's votes will no longer be counted for the duration of this debate, or in any year in the future, and he will also not be allowed to participate as long as I am running this. Attempting to rig or influence a debate is serious as will be treated as such.

    But enough with that, let's do some voting!

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    What if the Russians influence the vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    soxfanatic's votes will no longer be counted for the duration of this debate, or in any year in the future, and he will also not be allowed to participate as long as I am running this. Attempting to rig or influence a debate is serious as will be treated as such.

    But enough with that, let's do some voting!
    Well I mean it's basically established that the PG vs BG debate was tainted with. he would have won the main page vote if not for that

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    The semi finals are now over, and our finalists have been crowned!

    Congratulations to Psycho666Soldier and BGMaverick for making it all the way to the end of the line. These two will now face off in the mother of all debates to determine the 2017 Rajah Debate Champion. The finals begin tomorrow. Rest up, boys.

    Also, I recommend checking out the main page comments this time, as they were on point. Comments seem to be getting better and more sinsightful every round.

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    Congratulations Pyscho, you deserved this one. I'll be honest that despite my debate comments, I wanted Lesnar. I was hoping he'd pick Styles or something, but hetook advantage of going first, made a great choice and argued it very well. The steeperword count was tough, and the comments about not enough focus on Cena were fair. I was whooped.

    Go win this thing Psycho so I can say I lost to the winner!

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    The Badger's fall in the final 4. Damn.

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    I had a whole write up ready like a nature documentary in case of a Badger/Badger final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    I had a whole write up ready like a nature documentary in case of a Badger/Badger final.
    Post it anyway.

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    Not that anyone other than that dickhead did anything wrong, But I can't help but still feel a bit pissed that my glorious run was brought to an end in the manner it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Not that anyone other than that dickhead did anything wrong, But I can't help but still feel a bit pissed that my glorious run was brought to an end in the manner it did.
    You do have a legitimate gripe considering the troll helped turn the tide.

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    Peter's got a point.

    Seeing as he got screwed, triple threat with him and the Badgers for a final third spot?

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    Nooooo I am not asking to be reinstated, I am just saying it's a shame one idiot had to ruin it because I happen to call him out on his non sense (alongside PP)

    The best bit is he would have got away with it had he not confessed it the other day by claiming his 'family' voted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Nooooo I am not asking to be reinstated, I am just saying it's a shame one idiot had to ruin it because I happen to call him out on his non sense (alongside PP)

    The best bit is he would have got away with it had he not confessed it the other day by claiming his 'family' voted
    I was kidding about the triple threat, but not about the getting screwed

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    soxfanatic is like the worst Scooby Doo reveal ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Congratulations Pyscho, you deserved this one. I'll be honest that despite my debate comments, I wanted Lesnar. I was hoping he'd pick Styles or something, but hetook advantage of going first, made a great choice and argued it very well. The steeperword count was tough, and the comments about not enough focus on Cena were fair. I was whooped.

    Go win this thing Psycho so I can say I lost to the winner!
    As is customary for most of my debates, I was actually hoping you would pick Styles. When you picked Cena, I was legitimately terrified. And your first post was beautiful. Second post was really good, but I felt really strong about my final rebuttal, and even though I was a bit worried some of your points I couldn't counter would stick after your final post, I kind of thought I would get it. I'm honestly a bit upset the votes weren't so close, though, because you gave me one hell of a fight. Legitimately my toughest victory in my debate history, other than maybe proving John Cena was the best top star of all time. That was a fucking mountain to climb. Thank you for the rub, Badger, and I plan to carry the torch of all my defeated opponents to the Championship. (And Nash Diesel, of course).

    BG, you've had a hell of a run. And your debate quality only grew stronger with each round. You will probably give me an even tougher time than Badger did.

    But my time has come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    As is customary for most of my debates, I was actually hoping you would pick Styles. When you picked Cena, I was legitimately terrified. And your first post was beautiful. Second post was really good, but I felt really strong about my final rebuttal, and even though I was a bit worried some of your points I couldn't counter would stick after your final post, I kind of thought I would get it. I'm honestly a bit upset the votes weren't so close, though, because you gave me one hell of a fight. Legitimately my toughest victory in my debate history, other than maybe proving John Cena was the best top star of all time. That was a fucking mountain to climb. Thank you for the rub, Badger, and I plan to carry the torch of all my defeated opponents to the Championship. (And Nash Diesel, of course).

    BG, you've had a hell of a run. And your debate quality only grew stronger with each round. You will probably give me an even tougher time than Badger did.

    But my time has come.
    Thanks! Your last post was a killer in particular and even after writing out my last post, I had a feeling you'd get it. I feel I probably overcomplicated things a bit much by trying to come up with more than one route for Cena/Nakamura plus I tried to be too clever undermining Lesnar's starpower and abilities. Your route for Lesnar/Nakamura was more direct and logical making it extra hard to argue against. Also, I waited too late to talk about Cena's past accomplishments with Cena, Reigns and the like and could've explained better how that could've benefiited Nakamura. I feel I should've put more of that in my second post rather than tagging it on in my last post.

    Really looking forward to the final. Good luck to both of you!

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    Great reads by all the posters.


    This justs that all issues on this forum should be decided by debate contest.


    Cewsh, with your new power and this era of mod transparency, you should institute a system where people can appeal bans and infractions by debate with your duly appointed forum prosecutors.

    Of course, in the interest of fairness, the accused could have an advocate represent them at these hearings/debates.

    From this professional advocates would rise that would offer their services for things ranging reputation to actual currency.



    And thus my dream to bring capitalism to wrestling forums would be fulfilled.

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    Oh my god yes.

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    THE FINALS HAVE BEGUN

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    I won't have time to get a post up tonight. I'll do my best to get it up before I go to work tomorrow morning, but it'll be a tight fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    Oh my god yes.
    I knew you were a man of vision.


    Let me know, and I can send you a formalized dispute resolution template.


    From there, we can organize the process for election of the public prosecutors.


    Frankly, that will give me some time to organize my defense firm. It takes a while to get the agreements set up for name partners, senior partners, etc. I want a diverse team.


    As a bonus, I will offer a name partnership to the winner of these debates.

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    I look forward to enlisting the firm of Mazer-Ballsackius Maximus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    I look forward to enlisting the firm of Mazer-Ballsackius Maximus


    In 3 years, when you are on the wrong side of a coup, Ballsackius and I will be there.


    Remember, we'll get you satisfaction for your infraction.


    And on banning cases:

    We get no fee until you post free.

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    Sady I've missed out on the name partnership, but public prosecutor sounds good.

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    Badger,

    Wo. Let's slow down.

    Your offer was not contingent on this one event. Your name is going on the letterhead

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    Yeees! A wee Badger logo as well please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Yeees! A wee Badger logo as well please!

    Done and Done.


    You are also awarded your own catchphrase coffee mug (maybe we use "badgering the witness"), ability to add select another name partner, and the ability to select the periodic pro bono case for the overall good of the forums (but don't forget our Public Relations angle on that).

    Please feel free to begin screening your paralegals, and selecting clients.



    Make it rain Badger!

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    Double post.

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    "Badgering the witness" for sure.

    For example, if there was a case between two posters of pushing Braun Strowman more, testimony from Donald would be key and I'd be happy to represent him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    "Badgering the witness" for sure.

    For example, if there was a case between two posters of pushing Braun Strowman more, testimony from Donald would be key and I'd be happy to represent him.

    That's the type of high profile case we're looking for. You earning this coffee cup already.


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    I expect you to whip out another one real quick, BG. I probably can't get to my response until around this time tomorrow night, but I'm sure you'll have plenty of time for your final post. Let's tear it down.

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    All done. Great debate, Psycho.

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    Fuck yeah push Braun Strowman to be utterly unbeatable and have him hold all championships for at least a decade and I'm one happy Donald.

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    but you still wouldn't watch

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    No, I'd just watch the PPVs.

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    VOTING IS OPEN FOR THE FINALS! GO CROWN A CHAMPION!

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    I read through the whole thing a 2nd time after BG's last post during my break. Kudos to both of you.

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    Yes kudos to the both of you.

    Also kudos to everyone in this competition and to Cewsh for organising it and the topics have been really great. It's been one of the strongest tournaments I've been involved in and apart from one weirdo trolling Griffin in his tie, it's gone through without hiccup.

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    You guys have made this a real joy to run, and the feedback I got from mainpage viewers through the whole thing was really awesome and encouraging.

    No matter who wins, you're all winners to me.


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    So close to an all-Badger tie. Prebook it for next year!

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    Any one else got any more votes before Cewsh shuts this down? I already am sure of the result regardless, but I'd love to get a few more takes on the Final.

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    I've been on holiday (Venice and Rome, oh my days) so I've not had chance to give it a proper look yet.

    But yeah, this is the final and the quality throughout this year has been outstanding. Please, read it and get your vote in, people.

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    Voting ends at midnight. Please give these guys a vote!

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    A CHAMPION HAS BEEN CROWNED!

    And winning by just one single, solitary vote is...


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    I'd like to thank you all one more time for making this a huge success from day one, as we got the main page readers interested, had a great time, and really brought out the best in a few posters who we didn't know had it in them.

    Thank you and congratulations to everyone, and can't wait to do it again next year!

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    Thanks, everyone, for taking the time to read and vote. Honestly didn't know what to expect with this, so it was quite the experience.

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    Great job, and congratulations, BGMaverick. You really shined in this tournament, and like I said, you actively got better with each round. This final was no different, and despite what I feel were some flaws in my argument, you beat me at my best. Another year I make it to the finals and can't quite get it done, but I'll remain in that spot until I finally get a trophy of my own.

    So when I finished my first post, I suddenly decided I could flip the whole argument: argue that Roman Reigns was already a heel. I spent about 10 minutes agonizing over whether I wanted to go this route or not, until I decided I liked the post I had and would instead save it as a secret weapon for the end. Much thanks to JP who saw the plan and how it all went together, but ultimately, I think it made the argument less focused. And I knew this the moment I hit submit in the thread. I immediately winced knowing that I had fucked up by making that my last post. I could have went stronger without ever touching that element, or by building from the beginning. Perhaps had I done one or the other, the debate would have ended differently, but I have no regrets. BG gave a hell of a fight, and he is very much a deserving champion.

    Thanks, as always, Cewsh for putting this on and keeping it going. There were a lot of strong debate and standouts this year, including a few upsets and "dream matches". Great fun all around, and I hope to see some more new faces as well as returning stars next year.

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    Congrats fellas, Already look forward to next year

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    I cannot overstate just how good this year's edition of the tournament has been.

    Not one drop out. Not one no show. Votes in all rounds, main page heavily involved.

    Yes, interest waned as it always has, but there's proof there that this not only works but could be a successful long term thing.

    We're in a new era of the boards and during the competition Cewsh has found himself crowned as Admin without asking for it. Despite that nonsense, and at the risk of appearing like I'm losing my tongue in his bum, he ran this supremely well.

    Thank you to all of you for making this work.

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    The delays at the end hurt the momentum, which is on me, but I think you're right. I think we proved this is a sustainable event to build the boards around going forward.

    And your judging was fucking fantastic! I had originally intended to judge also, took one look at your judging and backed out as I was not needed. Up for it again next year?

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    I'd love to.

    Thought I've had over the past month is that the quality of what we've seen could be translated into worthy pieces.

    I know Rajah has been interested in more piece writers for the main page, how about a forum member a week/fortnight/month have a column under the banner of "Rajah Forum Thoughts"? A rotation of interested posters to create a piece on whatever on wrestling they want to talk about. It would generate interest from main page viewers to dip into the forums and discussion here on the columns produced.

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    I think that absolutely should happen.

    He has his kid posting a column, after all. The forum members can't be all that much worse than him.

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    I would love that, but people have to actually write the articles. I’ll launch the concept the second I have content to back it up.

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