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    Finally the Lombardi trophy is coming back home to Foxborough! Well deserved can't wait for the parade. And Tom Brady as Super Bowl MVP. Couldn't have asked for more.

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    I think Bevell should win MVP for the Patriots there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    I know I would assume to score. But if he gets stuffed, hey call time out and he gets stuffed again now it's a mad scramble to get the ball spotted in time and snapped. I'm not saying I agree but that's the logic.
    This is true. The assumption that everyone is going to get lined up again in a quick and orderly fashion in time isn't assured by any stretch.

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    They had time to run and that was the only play that made sense if they were going to be ensured their second super bowl in a row.

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    They tried too hard to outsmart New England and it back fired. Even as a biased Patriot's fan, Seattle should have ran the ball. That was pretty foolish to throw it like that. But I'm not complaining.

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    I love hearing the producer screaming over
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    We got real heat with thenetwork. Cue up the pass play I got Roberts lol

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    In what fucking universe does Marshawn Lynch not make the distance if they called a run play?

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    That was fucking stupid. Good game though.

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    Pete gave an honest explanation there. They had time to run 3 plays if they threw it and didn't get it and they didn't want to tun it with their 3 WR set vs goal line.

    The next argument is why have a. 3 WR set in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percussion13 View Post
    Value is clearly the subjective issue, and there are about five qb's minimum who could have gotten similar production than Rodgers and thus the Packers to the playoffs. While only one guy was able to produce weak in and weak out what Watt was able to this year. He has no control over his team turning the page on their last regime and starting over. A team in transition that he still willed unthinkably close to the postseason, in spite of remarkably subpar qb play to boot.

    If the Texans had come out of the NFC South Watt would all of a sudden become more eligible? Because his season would have been framed better?
    Value is Subjective, but Watt is currently the Tracy McGrady of the NFL until his team is in the playoffs. Great player, but not MVP.

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    Houston has been the playoffs twice with Watt on the team. He's the best defensive player in the league by a mile, it's not his fault his team has a crappy QB and little talent around him on defense. Quarterbacks are inherently more valuable because they have dramatically more impact on the game. They touch the ball every offensive snap and the defense is forced to respond to them.

    I've never understood the idea that individual players should be credited with victories from their teams. It makes a bit more sense with QBs because of how much impact they have on the game, but are you seriously going to dog Watt for his team losing? He's a defensive end, he can't win games by himself. Houston went from 12-4 two years ago to a losing record this year while his level of play barely changed.

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    Really good game. Can't believe that the Seahawks made three stupid plays back-to-back-to-back to end the game. Pass play, encroachment, and then the fight. Man that locker room has to be yelling at people right now.

    New England played great. They weren't phased even when they were down 10, and Seattle seemed to be stuffing everything. They earned it, and Brady has put himself into GOAT talk. If he wins another one, then probably is the GOAT with out the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    Houston has been the playoffs twice with Watt on the team.
    Talking about this specific year.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    He's the best defensive player in the league by a mile, it's not his fault his team has a crappy QB and little talent around him on defense. Quarterbacks are inherently more valuable because they have dramatically more impact on the game. They touch the ball every offensive snap and the defense is forced to respond to them.
    No, not his fault. But as I've pointed out there have been other instances where players have played great, and aren't recognized as the MVP.

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    Awesome game. Swung from another heartbreaking loss for the Patriots to a devastating loss for Seattle in the blink of an eye. I probably would have run the ball down there, but the reaction to the play call is way too harsh. People are acting as if being intercepted is a predictable outcome there when it's actually extremely rare. If he had thrown a TD there people might have been surprised by the call, but the response wouldn't be anything like it's been.

    Certainly some kind of vindication for the Patriots. A post-Spygate, post-Deflategate Super Bowl title with no asterisk attached to it. After so many near misses, they definitely were due for another championship. A major notch for Belichick in the greatest coach ever debate, and same for Brady in the greatest QB debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    I know I would assume to score. But if he gets stuffed, hey call time out and he gets stuffed again now it's a mad scramble to get the ball spotted in time and snapped. I'm not saying I agree but that's the logic.
    I guess, but I think that logic is fundamentally illogical. With that much time left, I don't even think you'd need a mad scramble. Just make sure that everybody on the offense knows that if Lynch is stuffed the first time, reset as quickly as they can and run the same play. If he gets stuffed again, call the time out then and figure something out for the third try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipkin View Post
    I guess, but I think that logic is fundamentally illogical. With that much time left, I don't even think you'd need a mad scramble. Just make sure that everybody on the offense knows that if Lynch is stuffed the first time, reset as quickly as they can and run the same play. If he gets stuffed again, call the time out then and figure something out for the third try.
    Yea, but you are in 4-down territory with your workhorse. The guy that held the team together when the defense was playing like shit, and there was talk about the team planing on not re-signing him in the upcoming offseason. It was just a bad decision. I don't think it was terrible, because they scored on pass plays earlier. They probably figured that New England was looking run, but it is still a boneheaded play call.

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    You would have to take your time out if he got stopped. New England would take forever getting off the pile to waste time (who cares if they get a penalty? The ball is already at the one and there's not enough time left for downs to matter) so you would burn through one of your potential plays in the time it would take to get set.

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    Then again the Seahawks wouldn't have been here without the ballsy call of going for the fake field goal two weeks ago. So, it is what it is. Seahawks shouldn't get too down on their team. They don't look like they are slowing down anytime soon.

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    The tough thing they're going to have to deal with is that next year is Wilson's last cheap year. After next season they're going to have to find a way to clear $20 million in cap space to pay him, which is going to involve significant changes to their roster. The massive advantage of having a top tier QB making $500,000/year is hard to overstate. Without him being so cheap they couldn't have brought in Avril and Bennett while also re-signing Thomas and Sherman.

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    Why the fuck were Katy's tits not out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atty View Post
    Why the fuck were Katy's tits not out?
    You didn't ask. She wanted to show them, but just wanted you to ask for them. You didn't, so she didn't... I blame you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    You would have to take your time out if he got stopped. New England would take forever getting off the pile to waste time (who cares if they get a penalty? The ball is already at the one and there's not enough time left for downs to matter) so you would burn through one of your potential plays in the time it would take to get set.
    You might be right, but I don't think it's a sure thing. Even ignoring the time though, in that position I don't understand not running it. As soon as I realized Wilson wasn't handing it off, I started saying out loud, "What the hell are they doing?" Of course, I didn't get the chance to finish. Even if they had scored there I would have thought it was a dumb call. Obviously the pick takes the outrage up several dozen levels, but they had a better, safer, more reliable option and they chose not to use it, which I think is a bad call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rick View Post
    Talking about this specific year.

    No, not his fault. But as I've pointed out there have been other instances where players have played great, and aren't recognized as the MVP.
    Just because great players have had great seasons and not gotten it is no direct causation to why the season Watt had didn't deserve it. No offensive player had a record breaking or statistically unheard of season this year to especially warrant the award and Watt had one of the greatest seasons by any player. Hell, it could be argued he had the best defensive season on record, in the process nearly single-handedly willed a team in heavy transition with journeymen at best and a 4th round rookie at worst at quarterback into the postseason.

    Kudos to Rodgers, he's phenomenal. But they should just give qb's their own award akin to a cy-young acknowledging the huge influence they have on the game, and then we can quit being so ambiguous with the MVP as the true outstanding player of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rick View Post
    You didn't ask. She wanted to show them, but just wanted you to ask for them. You didn't, so she didn't... I blame you.
    I've asked. Believe me.

    Well, at least she was inflated.

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    Speaking of MVPs not really loving giving it to Brady with his two very vital INTs but I can't really think of who else to give it to on the Pats.

    I didn't want the Pats to win sure, but I'm more mad that the story of this Super Bowl is going to be the awful play call instead of the great game.

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    I disagree with the playcall myself, but most fans are having polyps over it more so because of hindsight and the emotion involved. There can be argued reasons for it even if someone very much disagrees, it wasn't Chris Webber level ridiculous.

    Edelman was pretty integral to the Pats tonight without the glaring miscues that Brady had. Just making a case for anyone else.

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    Yeah thinking of it Edelman was probably the better choice good call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percussion13 View Post
    I disagree with the playcall myself, but most fans are having polyps over it more so because of hindsight and the emotion involved. There can be argued reasons for it even if someone very much disagrees, it wasn't Chris Webber level ridiculous.

    Edelman was pretty integral to the Pats tonight without the glaring miscues that Brady had. Just making a case for anyone else.

    Edelman was money tonight. He's really stepped up to that elite wide receiver status. When Brady is under pressure or coming from behind that's when he's at his best. Once he got in that rhythm in the 4th quarter he played his best football all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atty View Post
    Why the fuck were Katy's tits not out?
    I blame Janet Jackson.

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    Tom Brady went 8 for 8 on the final TD drive. That was a truly legendary drive, one that puts a period and exclamation point on his career as the winningest quarterback of all time. Down 10 in the 4th quarter and pulling off 2 TD drives with his legacy on the line. But then, the Patriots were dealt ANOTHER David Tyree miracle play to beat them. A lucky bounce on a well defended pass. Another tragedy. Another time when Brady put them ahead with 2 minutes left in a Super Bowl only to have his defense give up a go-ahead touchdown and him to lose helplessly on the sideline.

    And then Malcolm Butler said no. God bless him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Tom Brady went 8 for 8 on the final TD drive. That was a truly legendary drive, one that puts a period and exclamation point on his career as the winningest quarterback of all time. Down 10 in the 4th quarter and pulling off 2 TD drives with his legacy on the line. But then, the Patriots were dealt ANOTHER David Tyree miracle play to beat them. A lucky bounce on a well defended pass. Another tragedy. Another time when Brady put them ahead with 2 minutes left in a Super Bowl only to have his defense give up a go-ahead touchdown and him to lose helplessly on the sideline.

    And then Malcolm Butler said no. God bless him.
    When all that went down, I was thinking Brady will probably retire if he lost a third Superbowl over a miracle play. I don't know if Pete Carrol indulges in a drink, but he's probably going to need a whole bottle of something after tonight. I'm still shaking my head. Good game, though. But as that was happening, I think everyone watching around the world thought "they're going to give it to Lynch and run it". I think whoever made the play call outsmarted themselves that way. You know, the whole "they know that I know that they know that I know so we won't do what they will expect". Problem is, that may have worked against Green Bay, but you'll only get lucky like that once.

    Here's to hoping to at least see the Bears in the playoffs next year!

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    And now the "is Brady better than Montana?" discussion will truly explode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    And now the "is Brady better than Montana?" discussion will truly explode.
    I think this game ended that discussion

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    Yes, that he is at least in the conversation at this point

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    PAGE 1, 9TH POST IN THIS THREAD:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    By this time next year, Tom Brady will have his 4th ring and Bill Belichick will have his 6th. Quote me.

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    The outcome of that game affecting Brady's legacy is so foolish. So if Seattle had run Lynch for the game winning TD at the end, that would diminish Brady? He's a better QB because Butler picked off that pass? Brady is now 4-2 in Super Bowls, but change a few plays and he could be 6-0 or 0-6. If Adam Vinatieri hadn't made the field goals, would that make Brady a worse QB? Or if Tyree dropped the helmet catch? Brady has put his team in a position to win Super Bowls because he gets them into the playoffs every year. If you want to credit him extra for playing well in the Super Bowls, okay. But deciding he's the best because of something his teammate did is dumb.

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    HOW MANY RINGS DOES BRADY HAVE???



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
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    Fuck you.

    Unfuckingbelievable game.

    Unfuckingbelievable ending.

    God damn it.

    Fuck the Patriots.

    Jesus fucking Christ.

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    It just boggles my fucking mind.

    Were the Seahawks waiting for the Pats to call a timeout, and then were like, "Oh shit, they're not calling a timeout, it's been 40 fucking seconds, we thought we'd have more time, let's close our eyes and point at a play, oh ok good, we'll come out in the shotgun and throw a quick pick slant, yeah I know we have the best running back in the league, but the play clock is running out now too, ok, BREAK!"

    Fucking god all fucking might fucking christ.

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    And did Tom Brady reapply his eye black to fucking address the media there?

    What a fucking awful cunt.

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    I'm just..... Wow.

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    The more I think about it, I really think the Seahawks were waiting for the Patriots to call a timeout, but that evil son of a bitch Belichick realized it so he just didn't call one because he realized he had a fucking fawn in the headlights, and the Seahawks are stupid and expected a timeout from them and Bill was standing there on the sideline going, "Yes, as a matter of fact I am smarter than you and an evil son of a bitch, I know you're stupid enough to fuck this up and we'll just draw you into encroachment after, whatevs."

    Fuck I hate how this game ended up. I fucking hate it.

    RUN THE FUCKING BALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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    JUST RUN THE FUCKING BALL OH MY GOD

    If this were the Giants in this game losing this way I would have ripped my television off the wall and set fires.

    I would have burned this entire city to the ground.

    JUST RUN THE FUCKING BALL YOU HAVE THREE DOWNS, A MINUTE AND A TIMEOUT AND THE BEST BACK IN THE LEAGUE.

    I would have burned things if this were the Giants. Burned things.

    But Coughlin wouldn't be that stupid, but he's from the same Giants school as Bill, which is the smart school but fuck Bill.

    I would burn things.

    JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

    SO FUCKING STUPID

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    Fuck you.

    Unfuckingbelievable game.

    Unfuckingbelievable ending.

    God damn it.

    Fuck the Patriots.

    Jesus fucking Christ.
    We know what your mom has to say but how do you feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simmo Fortyone View Post
    In what fucking universe does Marshawn Lynch not make the distance if they called a run play?
    Well Lynch had 5 carries from the 1 yard line this season. . . He scored on 1 of them.

    Edit: I have seen it reported as 0 times as well as 1 time now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greed View Post
    Pats fans need to admit how absurdly lucky they are about how bad that call was.

    They need to admit they were dead to rights
    About as lucky as someone who made a circus catch on a lofted ball with less than a minute to go? About that level of lucky? Yes, the call was awful, but Butler still has to make a play on the ball for that to matter. If they scored a TD it wouldn't matter how bad the call was.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    The outcome of that game affecting Brady's legacy is so foolish. So if Seattle had run Lynch for the game winning TD at the end, that would diminish Brady? He's a better QB because Butler picked off that pass? Brady is now 4-2 in Super Bowls, but change a few plays and he could be 6-0 or 0-6. If Adam Vinatieri hadn't made the field goals, would that make Brady a worse QB? Or if Tyree dropped the helmet catch? Brady has put his team in a position to win Super Bowls because he gets them into the playoffs every year. If you want to credit him extra for playing well in the Super Bowls, okay. But deciding he's the best because of something his teammate did is dumb.
    I pretty much agree with this. I found it hilarious last night how some of the guys on NFL Network were saying Bradshaw and Montana have to be better because they went 4-0 in Super Bowls and Brady has lost a couple. So technically they are giving the guys credit for losing earlier than the Super Bowl more than Brady has. Genius.

    I personally think Brady is the best QB of all time, but I see a real argument for Elway and Montana. I'm not sure who else would be in the discussion at this point.

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    I'm still in shock about the play call. Even if you don't hand it to Lynch, roll Russell to the outside. Still a hell of a game though. It's an easier pill to swallow since they won last year, that's for sure.

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    I do however agree that Brady probably shouldn't have won MVP last night. Yes he had a great game but those two INTs could have been killers. The second one was more of a great defensive play than a bad throw on Brady's part, but it was still a pick. I think a real argument could have been made for giving it to Butler. Not only for that play at the end, but he came in after halftime to replace Arrington, who had given up pretty much every big pass play Seattle had in the first half. If they left him in there, I'm not sure Brady ever gets a chance to make that comeback.

    I also want to say congrats to all the Seattle fans because that is the first time I've ever felt more relieved than happy at the end of a winning championship game. I mean it switched over to happiness again soon after, but those last few minutes were maybe the most intense I've ever felt as a sports fan. Let's hope they both get back to this point next year, such a great game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    HOW MANY RINGS DOES BRADY HAVE???



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    He's a punk bitch that had a better game than Revis.

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    I'm still in a daze. Unbelievable comeback and interception. I still like Sherman but his cockiness is obviously fun to mock after a loss like that. I won't post the reaction gif of him watching the Butler pick but it's candy to my eyes.

    I know what it's like to lose heartbreaking Super Bowls and it's definitely crushing, so I feel for you guys. I agree that I would rather lose a close one than a blowout but it takes a bigger emotional toll coming that close and not finishing it. Would be interested to hear what Rick thinks given last year.

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    That play call was so bad. They were just "wasting a play". Fuck that Pete, score!

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    fuck judas and his poverty quarterback
    You won because it wasn't ELI and his Giants.

    Undefeated in any superbowl when not against the NYG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian M. View Post
    About as lucky as someone who made a circus catch on a lofted ball with less than a minute to go? About that level of lucky? Yes, the call was awful, but Butler still has to make a play on the ball for that to matter. If they scored a TD it wouldn't matter how bad the call was.



    I pretty much agree with this. I found it hilarious last night how some of the guys on NFL Network were saying Bradshaw and Montana have to be better because they went 4-0 in Super Bowls and Brady has lost a couple. So technically they are giving the guys credit for losing earlier than the Super Bowl more than Brady has. Genius.

    I personally think Brady is the best QB of all time, but I see a real argument for Elway and Montana. I'm not sure who else would be in the discussion at this point.
    The difference is yes the catch might have been a miracle. But it happened on the field. Strange things happen. Amazing plays happen and sometimes they're luck.

    You got luckier at the STUPIDITY of the playcall. The interception was karma for how stupid that call was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greed View Post
    The difference is yes the catch might have been a miracle. But it happened on the field.
    Where did the interception happen? Hindsight is 20/20. If the Seahawks/Carroll didn't make gutsy play calls they wouldn't be in the Super Bowl to begin with. I'm not saying it was the right call but it's not as egregious as people are saying after we saw the result.

    This win defintiely eases the pain of the last 2 Super Bowl losses, if not erasing the pain altogether. And that pain does stick with you. Sure it's nice to think how close this team was to being 6 for 6 in Super Bowls but I'm now completely satisfied with this era. They will still be contenders for the foreseeable future but if they don't win another, I'm good. Total validation achieved.

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    Great game to end the season.

    Both teams went back and forth.

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    I've moved to acceptance. It still stings to lose that game that way, but it happened. Hopefully Sherman can get healthy, rumors have him needing Tommy John surgery. We lost two important members of our defense in that game and were still a yard away from taking the game. Seattle will be back, they're too good not to

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    They need to take a hard look into Bevell. Too many questionable play calls all season. Something needs to be said about how bad they looked in a lot of first halves.

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    From what I've seen, and granted I only watched you guys in the playoffs or in prime time games, your offensive/special teams play calling has been SUPERB. So many big time play calls have worked out stunningly well.

    I agree with Mills that the injuries played a big part in this loss and that you guys will be back again. Though it does get trickier with Wilson in line for a huge raise and Lynch too. Sherman needing tommy john, if that turns out to be the case, will be tough for next year though I imagine he will be back to his stellar self at least by the latter half of next season (not sure on recovery time but its not like he's a pitcher or QB).

    On the injury topic, thankfully they didn't show it a million times (I think it got missed) but that CB who made the first pick broke his arm is grotesque fashion when he got tackled. There is one of those arm snapping in half screens shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    HOW MANY RINGS DOES BRADY HAVE???



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    Thats epic. His face after the interception was probably more priceless

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    So I've seen it described a couple times that they were being conscious of the clock and didn't want to give Brady a chance.

    How is a pass that could be dropped and stop the clock a better play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    So I've seen it described a couple times that they were being conscious of the clock and didn't want to give Brady a chance.

    How is a pass that could be dropped and stop the clock a better play?
    Because they were convinced they would run it in and not be stopped.

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    They got the look they wanted though. Dude just made a hell of a play on the ball.

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    I get all that. But any sort of successful pass play would also have resulted in a touchdown basically. So I still don't see how it would run down the clock.

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    I would find it hard to believe that once they got to the one they were still trying to kill clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percussion13 View Post
    I would find it hard to believe that once they got to the one they were still trying to kill clock.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014...ade-kill-clock

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    ReDPath was going reverse psychology all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Fair enough. So the decision itself to throw was more of an answer to personnel than ultimately to kill clock.

    Seattle wanted to run some more clock, NE answered with a stacked line, Carroll countered with a decision to find the right throw, Butler made the play of his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percussion13 View Post
    Fair enough. So the decision itself to throw was more of an answer to personnel than ultimately to kill clock.

    Seattle wanted to run some more clock, NE answered with a stacked line, Carroll countered with a decision to find the right throw, Butler made the play of his life.
    Play Action

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    It was two things: 1) New England sent in their goalline package against Seattle's three receiver set, so they thought they would have an opening.

    2) They wanted to preserve tactical flexibility for third down. If they run on second down they have to take their time out. There would be something like 22 seconds left, and they would have to throw on third down, because if they run and get stopped they'd never have enough time to get set and run another play. If they throw incomplete, they have the choice of running or passing on third down because they still have their timeout. And then obviously they can do anything they want on fourth down because time would no longer matter.

    That said, you have to factor in that Seattle is one of the best teams in the league at converting short yardage situations by running and NE is one of the worst at stopping the run in power situations. So it's really hard to justify not just giving the ball to Lynch, because I think he's scoring 90% of the time. But Darrell Bevell doesn't deserve to have his career ruined for calling a pass, and acting like it was insane to throw there is wrong. Malcolm Butler made a phenomenal play, otherwise Seattle would have scored there and this would be a moot point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greed View Post
    The difference is yes the catch might have been a miracle. But it happened on the field. Strange things happen. Amazing plays happen and sometimes they're luck.

    You got luckier at the STUPIDITY of the playcall. The interception was karma for how stupid that call was.
    You act like we should be ashamed that our team just won the fucking Super Bowl. Coaching is almost as big a part of the game as the actions on the field. It's not like it was a bad referee call. It was a bad call by the coach. Who cares how lucky they were anyway? You need plenty of luck to even make it this far, regardless of what team you are.

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    If it takes luck to win the super bowl than I wish the Eagles had all the luck in the world. I would take luck any day of the week. It absolutely does not diminish their win at all. Teams make bad play calls all year and it has cost plenty of teams plenty of games. I am sure the Pats had a few bad calls they would like to take back as well during the game. I am by no means a Patriots fan, but they deserved the win just as much as Seattle did.

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    A couple general thoughts before I forget:

    First off, regardless of your take on the ending, what a great Super Bowl this was. A classic. It's a little silly that in the Patriots 6 recent Super Bowl appearances, ALL of them have been decided by 4 points or less. It's always a great game when they are in it.

    Secondly, that halftime show... WOW. I didn't give a shit about Katy Perry's lip syncing routine but the production and sets were outstanding. That tiger thing she rode in on, then the really cool digital floor with dancers, flying around on the star, then the dancing sharks/palm trees which were really trippy... visually speaking, I enjoyed it all and it took me by surprise. Bravo to the producers. And the Missy Elliot cameo was great too.

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    Well, if it doesn't matter if Brady won or lost last night, then Super Bowl wins don't matter, so Peyton Manning

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    Everybody lip syncs during the half time show to the live dress rehearsal. The logistics are impossible.

    And fuck the Patriots.

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    Fuck Peyton Manning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    A couple general thoughts before I forget:

    First off, regardless of your take on the ending, what a great Super Bowl this was. A classic. It's a little silly that in the Patriots 6 recent Super Bowl appearances, ALL of them have been decided by 4 points or less. It's always a great game when they are in it.
    This.

    So Fro, any chance Brady might feel like retiring on top...please?

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    As the day goes on, I hate the play call even more.

    Also, why is Marshawn fined when he doesn't talk to the media yet Goodell can say no to doing an interview with NBC. Fuck that guy. Fuck Tom Brady. Fuck the NFL. Can't wait till next year.

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    Me neither because the Giants will be UNSTOPPABLE AND UNBEATABLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    This.

    So Fro, any chance Brady might feel like retiring on top...please?
    Sorry buddy, dude lives and breathes for the game. He trains and diets year round and is into Chinese medicine and shit. He's a machine. And he's only ever been injured that one time when he busted his knee and missed the season. I think he'll be around another 4-5 years.

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    Pip. Please start using judas' avatar and put your status/location as

    I love Tom Brady's cock.

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    At least we just went with a week instead of a month.

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    As long as 1 person confuses you with Judas and thinks he loves Tom Brady's cock (which he does) I will be pleased.

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    Well Judah loves the pats and brady

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