There's multiple services to do it for Netflix and Hulu, there's even a free script for Netflix if you watch it on your computer.Originally Posted by Chris Scott
We will have to wait and see how WWE Network works before anyone can say what service will work with it.
Unblock-Us said they were planning to look into it as soon as it's out on their forum though.
i am sorry peter griffin. you must not have understood.
defrost said people only care about wrestlers when someone dies (this was the gist of it)
you tried to use the wellness policy as a way vince mcmahon looks out for wrestlers.
but that only came about because the death of chris benoit and a few others, who died young. which is actually supporting what defrost said. this is as dumbed down i can make it for you.
sorry you did not understand it, but thanks for trying
After the first 6 months, do I have to continue to purchase 6 mo block memberships? If so, it's not really $9.99 a month. It's $59.94 every 6 months.
I believe you can go month-to-month after that…I hope they make you sign up longer term. I'd sign a 5-year contract for $600 right now. I anticipate the price going up at some point, so I'm all for locking in at a lower rate.
I do believe it's in six month blocks.
Someone let us know so we don't have to look it up ourselves, thanks.
no it's $9.99.
you get charged monthly.
Also, as of what I've found, this will only be available in the U.S. at launch. Coming to the U.K., Europe, Canada, etc, in late 2014/early 2015. Although if you live in Canada you could probably just change your IP address.
No, you couldn't.
Canadians will probably be able to use a service like unblock-us or something similar however.
It's been stated multiple times that all of the WWE's DVD releases will be available as well. I'm not sure if that includes the bonus features, but yeah.
What is that, a proxy? Sure, that'll work.
Like Mike said, you get charged $9.99 every month, you're just committing yourself to $59.94 worth of payments over the course of 6 months.
Which amounts to just about the price of one WWE PPV currently. No matter what way you spin it, it's a great deal.
That's fine. I can deal with that. What about the parents though? The one's who's kids said, "please order this. It's only $10 a month." Then when they go to submit payment info they are notified that it cost $59.94 to become a member. Petty? Sure, but it will be an issue in some households.
It won't say that It'll say $9.99 with a 6 month commitment. Cell phone contracts have proven definitively that when people hear "2 year contract" they don't see it the same as if they were told how much they were locked into paying up front.
How much do you guys in America pay for say a WWE DVD? 60 dollars seems insanely overpriced for a PPV. We pay 15 pounds which is around 25 dollars and even that seems steep to me. It's about the same price, if not a little more, than we'd pay for the subsequent DVD release with all the extras and stuff.
DVD would be $20
DVDs generally run between $19.99 for your basic DVD all the way up to $39.99 for your deluxe ones.
Also, normal PPVs are $49.99 and Wrestlemania is $59.99, unless I'm mistaken.
DVDs are about 20 dollars when they first come out.
60 is overpriced, same with our cable television. I think some people pay like $150 per month for that shit. I couldn't stand it. So then you're paying over $200 per month if you're a wrestling fan, maybe 250 if you're a UFC fan as well.
Netflix and now WWE streaming means I'll never have to touch cable ever again though. More content, zero advertisements, less expensive.
If I could guarantee I could stream Soccer Saturday to my PS3 then I'd cancel cable completely.
They should surely get a huge initial hit being so that the six month contract is the same price they would pay for Mania normally.
This will hit there DVD sales though, I wonder how much they have factored that in. I know DVD/Blu Ray are probably not gonna last much longer due to a significant rise in people using MP4 and other methods of computerized storage so maybes they want to get ahead of the game.
Another thing that could be huge for them, if this is a success how much money could they make by selling advice and tech to companies wanting to use this model themselves. With the amount they will save on cutting TV networks out the loop then UFC, NFL, NASCAR, Golden Boy Promotions, Top Rank and many others will be looking at following suit not to mention TV producers, even more film companies etc.
Another thing I was wondering, do you think it would be worth them working with foreign companies to lease their back catalogues and maybes even put their PPV's/Shows on the network in order to sell the network worldwide.
I'd imagine Mexico and Japan would be huge markets to tap into if they could get them on board as well.
Obviously not for companies in direct competition such as TNA, matterless of how small the comp is.
I'm not convinced it will massively hit DVD sales. New DVDs will end up on the Network but not straight away and would have gone onto Netflix or a similar service anyway. It will it it the same way that streaming services have hit DVD sales anyway (I used to buy ten DVDs/Blu-Rays a month - now I buy maybe ten a year because of Netflix) but I think the worst of that hit will already have been absorbed.
Yeah it's a good point. Maybe Glen should have a word with his mate Mick Foley and see if he has any contacts. A deal like that would benefit both parties giving WWEN more content and massively increasing the exposure of the smaller promotions.
Several small promotions received a big boost when then The Wrestling Channel started on Sky a decade ago.
What I'm worried about is Sky TV for when it launches in the UK. They really tried to screw Netflix over when it launched in the UK, blocked a tone of films and US TV programs from being on the service because they had the 'UK rights to show them' and I fear they will do the same to WWE TV and PPVs on the network.
I just hope WWE have the balls to say 'fuck you' and do it anyway.
They weren't really screwing Netflix over. They'd paid a lot of money for the rights to show that content and it is the same story worldwide.
Sky's contract with WWE expires this year I think. They'll renegotiate one without giving Sky access to online distribution rights. The only impact I would guess there will be will be that WWE content won't be on Sky Go's catchup service anymore.
It was WWE and not Sky who pushed for the PPVs to be on box-office and whilst RAW isn't a major ratings winner for Sky at all they aren't in a great negotiating position at the minute because they don't want to lose any content to BT Sports.
I hope this inevitably ends with most companies going solo and putting sky out of business.
When they say "every PPV" from the big three, I hope that includes the Jim Crockett Promotions stuff.
Do they really own this model? I don't get what's ground breaking about it
Right I've read a few bits and pieces here and does it specifically say that the PPV's will be on the network as live?
I noticed they say cable/sat providers will still be able to carry their ppvs. I know this could be additional to live showing but could it be that they will be live on normal mechanisms then an encore release on the network a few days after?
edit: thats what they're doing with the shows right
WWE is not planning to move its popular cable shows, including "Monday Night Raw," which airs on USA Network, or "Friday Night Smackdown," which is carried by the Syfy channel, to its own network.
However, reruns of those shows will be available on the WWE Network after their original airings. WWE Network will also start out with between four to six hours of original programming, according to George Barrios, chief strategy and financial officer for WWE.
The service will be mostly commercial-free but there will be sponsorship opportunities for advertisers.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...#ixzz2qTBACP9W
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No other company has branched out and done it yet and many will be watching to see if it works. Cutting TV providers out will save companies millions upon millions so if they do it successfully people are going to want to follow suit especially in sports industries.
Sure Netflix does it and they have sort of followed there plan to an extent but as a company going of on their own, cutting out the TV companies, hosting there own internet service and supplying their own shows as well as back catalogue through it they are the first I am aware of (at mainstream level anyway) and if it works then all these other companies are going to want to do it as well.
There are a lot of potential pitfalls to it though so being the first to do it has more risks but if they come through then other companies would certainly be interested in paying for advice on doing it so as they have an easier transition than it has to be.
Basically its stepping into the future of TV by cutting out cable and satellite providers, if this works then cable and satelite will die eventually and everything will be geared up to run via services such as this. If that aint groundbreaking then I dunno what s in terms of TV.
WWE are working with Major League Baseball, to get their expertise. So it's not really a model owned by WWE although I'm sure their advice would still be valuable.
I don't think they will make deals with other companies. At last count, I believe they have around 100,000 hours content in their library. They don't really need anymore - especially footage they don't fully own.
I expect they will get round to adding old Crockett footage. But, again, it's important to note that not everything will be available on the very first day. They need to hold stuff back to keep the subscriptions running; also, some of it isn't ready yet (needs edited as per music rights, etc).
Nothing has been said to suggest PPVs will not be live.
I was thinking more in terms of trying to attract a global market rather than their existing one. The WWE/WCW/ECW and territory footage they have is more than enough for current fans around the world but I think there would be mass potential to get a huge amount of Mexican and Japanese fans on board if they can broker a deal to show their current of archived material.
Obviously that would be down the line but when you are relying on subscription numbers surely that would really help boost it, especially as they will likely have a drop off once the service has been up for six months to a year.
Going on PPV sales excluding Wrestlemania they will need to quadruple those figures to meet their target and whilst taking the price down per month by five times and foreign markets will play into this its still a big leap in viewership needed and any help would be a big boost.
Tbh, I'm more interested in the JCP stuff more than anything. Every saturday I watch old episodes of World Championship Wrestling through my tv apps, just as if it were the old days. So relaxing and the best way to spend the weekend. Hopefully I can do this properly through the network.
so at 9:30 AM on February 24, you can sign up. But can you access any content? Like past PPVs? Is it just the stream that starts after RAW, or is it everything?
I'm sure there will be some old content available on the first day but not absolutely everything they've announced for the Network all at once.
http://www.wwe.com/inside/every-pay-...twork-26179147
Happy now, DVDA?Over the Edge (1999)
The Network officially launches on 24 February after Raw goes off the air but content will be available to view from 9 AM.
There will be a disclaimer shown before any footage featuring Chris Benoit. It is likely to be kept vague, just noting these are sports entertainment characters (as opposed to mentioning the real life people behind them) and not specifically mention the Benoit murder/suicide.
Source: PWInsider.com
Yeah I think the live stream starts as soon as RAW goes off the air. Everything else would be available at 9 AM. I'm assuming 9 AM Eastern?
WWE have confirmed the 2014 Elimination Chamber PPV will air on the Network about 30 days after it takes place.
However, I've seen comments that it is unclear whether that will be the case for all PPVs going forward, i.e. watch them live or wait a month. I think the rules will be different for all future shows; they just want to try to protect the value of their last show on proper PPV. They can't expect people to pay $50 on Sunday but then they get it alomng with everything else for $10 on Monday.
I'd imagine all the PPVs will be live, with the way they were justifying the price plan. They were saying how all 12 PPVs in the year would cost you X amount of dollars in total, while the network only costs $9.99 or whatever.
Yes, the shows will be live. The query was about whether or not the replays will be immediately available or if not until 30 days later.
Ah, ok. My bad.
I've read a lot in this thread about people saying that they anticipate the price of the network to go up at some point. Is there any reason people think this? I would have assumed that once it went international then WWE would easily get the 2-3million subscribers that they need to make a profit so wouldn't need to put the price up ever.
Because it's a valid business strategy?
I think the logic is they can't get the same profit from the network as PPVs, so this is seen as a bit of a loss-leader to entice as many people to sign up. $10 a month for the network gives you the live PPV plus all the other content, so WWE's having to pay for the upkeep of that infrastructure. For the regular PPV model, it's $50 a month you're shelling out just for one show they're putting on anyway. On the face of it, that's a hugely unbalanced deal, so they have room to up their network price a bit and still seem like a bargain. I was under the impression that PPV carriers only gave WWE 50% of the take, though, so really they're only taking in $25 a show and if they can sell the network to a couple of million people they really should be golden. Of course, if the market will bear it, people will always go for more gold.
It does make sense to increase the price - not by a ridiculous amount but maybe one or two dollars a year. Why make, say, $10 million from it when you can make $12 million?
(I know those are stupid numbers but I'm just using them to try to prove my point.)
Yeah. If people are willing to pay 10, theyll pay 12, and if they're willing to pay 12, theyll pay 15. MAXIMISE YOUR PROFIT SON
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In marketing there are psychological factors to consider, though. People who are willing to pay 9.99 are not necessarily willing to pay 11.99. It's not a huge difference monetarily, but 'under ten bucks' feels like a bargain to a lot of people and 'over ten bucks' is a different kettle of fish. Though if their programming is sufficient I doubt they'd lose all that many viewers because of a two dollar increase, so if they hook enough people it's obviously worth it.
Yes, you're right about the "thresholds" argument but I think with the footage available and all 12 PPVs, even something like $14.99 might end up acceptable. Think how much the PPVs alone for one month would be and they can even go as high as about $40 - that would be a mistake, but I hope you see my point.
Hey, with the old PPVs, will there be a match selection screen or will I have to fast forward all of WM 11 to watch Taylor vs. Bigelow?
That's a great question - but no idea of the answer.
I'm hoping all matches will be searchable and viewable individually but I suppose it all depends how granular this network is going to be. I can easily live with fast-forwarding/skipping through shows but to be able to just type in "HHH vs The Rock" and instantly open any of their PPV matches would be fantastic and would probably stop me doing anything productive ever again.
What a great idea! Type in a wrestler's name and it brings up all the matches they've ever been in.
FUCKING GAY.According to Wade Keller of PWTorch.com, the edit will show the wrestler swing the chair and the aftermath of the shot but their will be a "glitch-like" pause before contact is made.
Credit Wade Keller, PWTorch Newsletter
Wait, is that for every chairshot in their library?
I am under the impression that blood will also be censored. Not sure if they'll digitise it or change to black & white.
I might be a weirdo but I might actually be alright with that. They shouldn't have happened. Down with this sort of thing. Careful now.
Weirdo
Apparently. Asinine decision. They'll show a man who murdered his family, but chair shots are beyond the pale.
Why? Even chair shots where they get their hands up?
It's an interesting quandary for a product that is designed to pump out as much disposable content as possible, and now for it to be put under the stoplight a generation later. They are going to be putting up hundreds of hours of content that doesn't really reflect on their current product very well. Let's just say, for example, Shane McMahon absolutely exploding a framed picture over Test's head at Summerslam 1999 isn't quite as entertaining now as it was at the time.
Wasn't that a gimmicked picture frame?
People are always going to find the original cuts of those matches and shows on the internet. Denying the paying customer is just going to aggravate people. Putting an advisory on the questionable content is a great idea, but editing shows is just going to annoy the paying customer and make them want to obtain the uncut matches and shows.
A big selling point to many is access to every ECW PPV.
Just think about that for a second. Some matches will be unwatchable due to the editing if this is correct.
I'm all for avoiding crazy risks and trying not to turn people's brains into murderous mush from now on (and yes, that should have been how things were done back in the day), but what good does going back and freezing the frame during a chair shot in 1999 do for anybody on the planet? I'm with Beer-Belly. Why pay for slightly damaged stuff when I can probably find it untainted for free? I'm not some freak who desperately needs to see Mankind's brains get bashed in, but I'm not going to put up with the show stuttering/pixellating and taking me out of the moment every single time a chair is swung or blood is shed. I do not see an upside here, it's not as if 9 year olds will be subscribing.
EDIT: Oh god, ECW. I wonder if they'll censor language as well.
I won't be subscribing if the censorship goes to those lengths, and I honestly believe the network will flop if they go that route.
Yeah, give everyone a free week long trial period with edited chopped up footage and see how that works out.
really lame if true. didnt they say "unedited" any number of times when talking about the old content?
I'm holding out hope that the information is bullshit.
The chair shot thing is beyond retarded, not just in this context, but even today. They can throw peoples' heads into barricades, steel steps, tables, turnbuckles, and punch them to death no problem, but the minute a chair is involved it's illegal. It's nothing more than a token gesture toward safety, even the Concussion Kid Chris Nowinski has said that protected chairshots are one of the safer things you can do.
I am starting to suspect it's a bullshit report or possibly someone getting the wrong end of the stick. I just watched the guide to the network on their site, and they're claiming they will have every single in-ring show WWE, WCW and ECW have ever aired on TV or PPV, as well as all their home videos and stuff. That's thousands and thousands of hours of material that someone had to sit through and edit specifically with this issue in mind. There have been close to 1100 episodes of RAW, so well over 2200 hours of that show alone. Add in Smackdown, WCW, ECW, and all the PPVs and you could take a year non-stop just to view the material, never mind fiddle with it in an editing suite. Obviously they wouldn't have just one guy doing that, but you'd need serious staffing levels to get that done, unless WWE has for the past few years had a room somewhere that has a few people quietly trimming every single thing they've ever done.
surely not one single human is getting this for shitty ecw trash.
When I read this thing about chair shots I hadn't factored in ECW.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do this, but I hope they don't.
India is a lovely place for this sort of thing.
But no, I think you're right. Although the idea is plausible to the point that the potential truth worries me, it's probably too big an undertaking when a simple warning/disclaimer popping up everywhere would suffice.
Yeah, it could be done, but it seems like a lot of work and expense when leaving it alone and not spending money makes everyone happier.
They've done it to some videos on youtube. Check out the video of the end of Backlash 2000 on their official channel to see what it would look like. It's pretty jarring and really takes you out of it.
I checked it out, looks like what they used to do on Sky One in the UK when running Smackdown in the mornings. It is seriously annoying and it is applied in an almost haphazard fashion. Seems like anyone who gets their hands up a little is ok, but if it definitely hits the skull dead on it has to be frozen. For what purpose? You can't sell me thousands of hours of a worked combat sport and then get queasy about actually hitting someone in the head. The fact they are doing it selectively (at least in the Backlash clip) concerns me that it really might be a hamfisted attempt to avoid criticism over concussions, which would mean they probably would make the effort. Hopefully Youtube will be a different kettle of fish, though; it is the company's public-facing video sharing presence, one anyone of any age could come across, rather than something for a very dedicated customer as the network would be.
But the dedicated customer could be of any age also.
Not really. You have to have a credit card (or PayPal, but that needs a credit card or bank account), I assume they require you to be over 18 to sign up, and there are parental controls. The FAQ says there will be TVMA stuff available, so why shy away from showing a chair shot?
Yeah, fair enough. People by this stuff for their kids though don't they.
If there's a big issue surely they can introduce parental controls though?
Mike said that mcbain. That fatty did you over, son
WWE already has my money the bastards for the ppv alone.
everything else is bonus.
Not really, I didn't see he'd put it but we were basically just coming to an agreement.Mike said that mcbain. That fatty did you over, son
WWE already has my money the bastards for the ppv alone.
everything else is bonus.
Fat bottomed girls make the rocking world go round?
I guess there's no need to watch Summer Slam 97, those final 30 seconds of the Bret/Taker match was one of the best ever if they gonna edit chair shots. They should have done what "Netflix" did, where its, "Netflix," and then there's, "Netflix for Kids."
Are you on about the fat chick I'm boinking then or something? I assumed you were calling Mike fat.
The WWE youtube channel is PG though. Thus why they edit things.
The Network is different.
http://www.wwe.com/help/
The first thing their FAQ says is "the most comprehensive video-on-demand library featuring all WWE, WCW and ECW pay-per-views and classic matches uncut and uncensored."
They also go on to note that certain programs will come with different ratings and warnings.
Cheers for unequivocally proving it's BS.
I don't know if I'd fuck with it if the shit is edited when they said many times that it will all be unedited. That shit would be wiggidy wack.
I remember watching the WWE shows that airs here in Sweden a couple of times (WWE This Week and Vintage Collection) and all kind of weapon use (not just chairs) were censored, it was extremely annoying. They showed the wrestler swinging the chair, but before impact the screen froze and when it came back the other guy had already been hit. I remember they had censored Big Boss Man using his nightstick and other stuff too.
I would un-subscribe in a heartbeat if that report is true.
Alright Jerry Lawler.
I'm sure there will be plenty of music being edited out with ECW
I can deal with the music stuff, but leave the violence and brutal promos alone.
Seriously though, it would be an absolute headache. They can't get away with it in ECW whatsoever. They've also got stuff like old intergender matches to deal with.
I'm really interested to see how far the "uncut and uncensored" bits go. I REALLY REALLY REALLY would like to watch an ECW show(or any old show) where the wrestler's come out to their actual themes at the time, but I don't know if the content on the Network is exempt from licensing issues(which I doubt).
I will look forward to having vulgarity back all across the board.
Also, possibility that the rumored chair-shot editing would be an effect of the parental controls?
EDIT: Just saw Rog's posts about the music.
The edting of music to which either they don't have the rights or it would be costly to obtain them is understandable. But they have said there will be parental controls so chairshots and blood shouldn't need to be censored.
I think the concern would be that parents buy it for their kids then don't bother with the parental controls because "it's just stupid wrestling".
WWE released a full list of everything that's expected as of the initial launch of the Network, including pre & post shows for both Raw and SmackDown, NXT every week, Superstars, old PPVs, a countdown show etc. In total, it will be around 1500 hours of footage.
They are going head-to-head with Impact on Thursdays with specific programming in a three-hour block: Legends House, NXT and Superstars. No word on what will air on the Network from 8-11 PM on Mondays or 8-10 on Fridays.
It'll be interesting to see if anybody actually watches the shows live as opposed to just catching them in their own time.
From the earnings call today:
- WWE have invested a lot of time and money testing the Network.
- It will roll out internationally in late 2014 or early 2015.
- Depending on TV deals and censorship regulations in other countries, some Network content may be blocked.
- They expect between 2 and 3 million subscribers in the US alone.
- First update on numbers will be day after WrestleMania.
I imagine teething troubles will be inevitable but I'm curious to see how well the thing is rolled out in the first couple of days. I imagine there will be a huge amount of interest and their servers will be hammered, but Vince has got to be determined to avoid a Healthcare.gov-style debacle.
I've seen a report that there is a bit of uncertainty about the week's free trial. The wording is ambiguous enough to suggest it's only for those watching on wwe.com and not on all the other various devices.
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