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    How has Matthew been so good historically? The Bills have not been good for that long.

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    you can't explain this phenomenon you just have to live with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Jotting this down now before I forget, but the only change I see for next year is raising the veto vote from 4 to 5.

    If the kicker party wants them back after we just dropped them last year, they can put a petition on my desk with 7 signatures. Otherwise we're staying with no kickers. I enjoyed the desired effect of not having the randomness of kickers.



    I hope we can get you and kdestiny in somehow. I'm against going to 14 teams but if no one drops out and we want to consider that, I'm not opposed to putting it to a vote.
    Fewer bench spots, a lot fewer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Fewer bench spots, a lot fewer

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    right, good call, actually I forgot about that. yea we will return to 6 bench spots and 1 IR. changing to 7 bench + 3 IR was always intended as a one-year covid relief.

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    Covid will probably still be a thing next season...

    I have no objections to having 2 more players, it's more money for me not to win.

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    I wouldn't mind being added to this next year either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Updated:



    You're welcome @Mikey_Jones. I'll take the worst fantasy football player on rajah off you for a year.

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    If the world has figured out this COVID mess, drop a bench spot and return to normal.

    I wouldn't mind adding kdestiny and bbf to this league.

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    Ummm Froline..... consider me the start of the Kickers Are People Too movement.

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    Go away Fabio.

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    Tornís $100 cash out is being kept at the commissionerís office and will be used to pay his and Chris Scottís entry next season. So they are paid for 2021 assuming we donít raise the buy-in.

    Posting this here so we all remember....

    @Torn @Chris Scott

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    According to our latest data, I am clearly willing to always donate money to the FF cause, so lemme know if I need to pony up more next season.

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    I say we increase the entry to $75.

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    @Honey_Badger you can pay any extra for me if we have too, since you owe me money

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    Sounds good my friend!

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    The proposal to expand the league to 14 teams and add BBF & kdestiny has garnered strong support.

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    The expansion has been ratified.

    Votes in favor (8):
    Chris Scott
    Caito
    Matthew
    Torn
    Pablo Diablo
    Honey_Badger
    BGMaverick
    MMH

    Votes against (3):
    Fro
    Alex
    Beefy

    @Morrison has not weighed in but we have a majority regardless.

    Follow up questions to resolve will be:

    • Bench size - reduce from 6 to 5?
    • Playoff format - increase from 6 teams qualify to 7?
    • Buy-in/payouts

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    Trade veto amounts should be spoken about as well

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    i would've voted to expand, anyway.

    im fine with bench size staying at 6, tbh. but not really bothered if it drops to 5.

    should that be 8 teams qualify for the playoffs? how would 7 work?

    im cool with the buy-in increasing, if that's the consensus. regular season champ gets their buy-in back as a prize. maybe something fun like 'largest margin of victory' for a single game during the regular season gets a $50 prize. we did that one year in a work league and it was fun for shit talking. i think having some silly prop bet-esque prizes could help to keep people with bad records from checking out of the league, if that's something we're worried about at all. would decrease the payouts for the champion and runner up, but i think spreading a bit of the money around is never a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    should that be 8 teams qualify for the playoffs? how would 7 work?
    Just like the real NFL. only the #1 seed gets a bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    im cool with the buy-in increasing, if that's the consensus. regular season champ gets their buy-in back as a prize. maybe something fun like 'largest margin of victory' for a single game during the regular season gets a $50 prize. we did that one year in a work league and it was fun for shit talking. i think having some silly prop bet-esque prizes could help to keep people with bad records from checking out of the league, if that's something we're worried about at all. would decrease the payouts for the champion and runner up, but i think spreading a bit of the money around is never a bad idea.
    I like spreading it around. if we stick with a $50 buy-in I'd suggest something like this:

    375 - champion
    100 - playoff runner up
    75 - reg szn champ
    50 - playoff 3rd place
    50 - most total points (reg szn)
    50 - most points in single week (reg szn)

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    I like those.

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    We're discussing in the WhatsApp chat but here's a log of decisions made:

    -Sticking with $50 buy-in this year. We'll revisit next year about raising it.
    -Sticking with a 6-team playoff field despite our expansion to 14 teams.
    -Bench size reduced from 6 to 5 (to keep the free agent pool from being too dry). 1 IR spot (as normal).
    -Still discussing how many votes are needed to veto a trade. We were already going to raise it from 4 to 5. Now the question is do we raise it to 6? Likely yes, as that has most of the support so far.

    Payouts still not determined now that we have a $700 pool. We'll circle back to that later.

    @Morrison @Matthew

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    The 2021 draft order has been randomly set:

    1. Matthew
    2. Caito
    3. Fro
    4. BGMaverick
    5. kdestiny
    6. Pablo Diablo
    7. Morrison
    8. BBF
    9. Torn
    10. Chris Scott
    11. Beefy
    12. Alex
    13. MMH
    14. Honey Badger

    You may now trade draft picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post

    You may now trade draft picks.
    FWIW, Pick 4 is very much available. Holler at me here, PM, or the group chat.

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    Okay here are some options for payouts. $700 pool up from $600 in previous years. My take is that I like the $50 for highest single week scorer in the regular season because it's fun and it means even if you're eliminated from contention you still have a reason to play and go for the high score. In regard to "Most total points in the reg season", this is a good measure of the strongest team, and if this team misses the playoffs entirely (which has happened before and is even more possible in our new format) then I like having a cashout for them, but on the other hand if that team wins this award AND single-week points AND reg season champion then it's kinda overkill. Regarding a third place price, this would make the consolation game between the semi-final losers have importance, so we would get another important game during the Final week. I kinda like that.

    My preference is OPTION D. Vote now, or propose a new option.

    Option A: Nothing fancy, just bumping up the existing payouts (champion +50, others +25)
    $450 Champion
    $125 Playoff Runner-up
    $125 Regular Season Champion

    Option B: +50 to Champion, +50 to Single Week Points Leader
    $450 Champion
    $100 Playoff Runner-up
    $100 Regular Season Champion
    $50 Most Points in a Single Week (Regular Season)

    Option C: +50 to Single Week Points Leader, +50 to Reg Season Total Points Leader
    $400 Champion
    $100 Playoff Runner-up
    $100 Regular Season Champion
    $50 Most Total Points (Regular Season)
    $50 Most Points in a Single Week (Regular Season)

    Option D: +50 to Single Week Points Leader, +50 to 3rd Place
    $400 Champion
    $100 Playoff Runner-up
    $50 Playoff Third Place
    $100 Regular Season Champion
    $50 Most Points in a Single Week (Regular Season)

    @Chris Scott @Alex @BGMaverick @Matthew @Honey_Badger @Morrison @Beefy @MMH @Caito @Torn @Pablo Diablo @Fro @kdestiny @BBF

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    gonna read this shit in a few days and get back to you

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    Chris Scott votes A

    HB votes A
    Last edited by Fro; July 27th, 2021 at 5:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    gonna read this shit in a few days and get back to you

    Honest and transparent. I don’t hate it.

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    Okay I got 9 votes and they were split evenly 3 ways so we're going with option D:

    $400 Champion
    $100 Playoff Runner-up
    $50 Playoff Third Place
    $100 Regular Season Champion
    $50 Most Points in a Single Week (Reg. Season)

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    Draft: Mon, Sep 6 at 6:00 PM ET / 11PM London

    $50 Buy-in

    Paid
    Fro
    Torn
    Chris Scott
    Pablo Diablo
    kdestiny
    BGMaverick
    Beefy
    Alex
    BBF
    Caito
    MMH
    Honey_Badger
    Matthew
    Morrison
    Last edited by Fro; September 6th, 2021 at 2:33 PM.

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    Commissioner's Bulletin

    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    -Bench size reduced from 6 to 5 (to keep the free agent pool from being too dry). 1 IR spot (as normal).
    Due to the league expansion to 14 players, we voted to reduce the bench size down to 5 (we had it at 7 last year for Covid, but 6 was previously our standard). We are sticking with 5 bench spots. However, in light of the fact that Covid is still around, I am going to suggest adding back the 2nd IR spot which we had last year.

    My 2 cents: unvaxxed players are more at risk to miss games, but even vaxxed players may test positive since we know there are breakthrough cases and these guys are being tested often. I'm not completely up to date on the NFL procedures (and they seem to be fluid) but if a vaxxed player tests positive on game day they'll probably have to sit. Therefore, given that we are going with a small bench, I think 2 IR spots would be prudent and I recommend you keep one of them open in case your SNF/MNF player goes out with Covid and you need to pick up an emergency backup starter.

    Let me know if you disagree. But I think 5 bench / 2 IR is the way to go and I will proceed with this unless people object.

    @Chris Scott @Alex @BGMaverick @Matthew @Honey_Badger @Morrison @Beefy @MMH @Caito @Torn @Pablo Diablo @Fro @kdestiny @BBF

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    No objection

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    Sounds good to me.

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    Sounds good

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    The draft starts 3 hours and 25 minutes from now. Good luck.

    @Chris Scott @Alex @BGMaverick @Matthew @Honey_Badger @Morrison @Beefy @MMH @Caito @Torn @Pablo Diablo @Fro @kdestiny @BBF

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    I'm very pleased with my team. Started the draft RB-RB-RB and I don't regret it

    Derrick Henry for me 2 years in a row. Chose him over Kamara

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post

    Derrick Henry for me 2 years in a row. Chose him over Kamara
    I'm very pleased you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I'm very pleased you did.
    Yea that one could have gone either way. I thought about it a lot and am comfortable with my Henry pick. Ultimately I like the Titans offense more than the Saints offense. In full PPR it probably would have been Kamara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Statement from the Commissioner

    For immediate release:

    I am enacting a policy where I will use commissioner powers to push trades through early, prior to the completion of the standard 24 hour voting period, when the following criteria applies:

    1. The timing is such that the trade review window overlaps or approaches the next games being played and early approval would enable the traded players to compete on their new rosters immediately instead of waiting a week.
    2. Both trading parties formally consent to early approval by messaging the commissioner.
    3. The trade is deemed fair and just beyond debate.

    Early approval is subject to commissioner discretion and availability and should not be assumed.
    Bumping as a reminder. Plus I'm adding a caveat:

    Another reason why it could make sense to push it through early is to get it in ahead of waivers. This only applies to an uneven trade (i.e. 2 players for 1 player). Hence I am pushing through the trade of Aaron Rodgers for Burrow and Murray because it will open up a roster spot for Beefy who can then make a waiver claim for that spot tonight, rather than waiting until tomorrow.

    Bottom line if there's a strategic reason why pushing it through early makes sense, I'm open to doing it, but it will still be subject to my judgment that the trade is fair beyond debate i.e. I feel comfortable ending the veto window early. Anything controversial I will not push through early.

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    trade season is here and the whatsapp is poppin'

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    I disagree with the veto of the Derrick Henry/Hollywood Brown/Gronk for Mixon/Hill/Landry deal. It is clear that no matter how many people in here say they believe in vetoing for collusion only or say they want fewer vetoes, we are a league that vetoes based on trade balance. That’s what we do in this league. Balance the trade evenly or it’s out.

    You just basically said there is no way chris could trade for Derrick Henry, because to get RB1 you have to pay a premium. And paying that premium is not allowed.

    Very bad veto of a properly negotiated deal.

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    pretty insane final week of the regular season, we got. can end up with anywhere from a sole first place winner all the way to a four way tie.

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    Odds are on you getting the W this week and sealing the regular season title especially with Thielen out for BG. But it's why we play the games.

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    locked up regular season champ, now im coming for that weekly high score. pabs sat on that throne since week 1 and could possibly lose it in the final week.

    DRAMA.

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    I swear to god Morri, if you take this from me...

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    Congrats @Morrison on the regular season championship.

    So I believe you need almost exactly 20 points from Kupp tonight for the single-week high score. He is averaging 21 points per game. Fun!

    kdestiny also had a dramatic playoff berth last night via Davante Adams' late TD, knocking Torn out of the playoff field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Congrats @Morrison on the regular season championship.

    So I believe you need almost exactly 20 points from Kupp tonight for the single-week high score. He is averaging 21 points per game. Fun!

    kdestiny also had a dramatic playoff berth last night via Davante Adams' late TD, knocking Torn out of the playoff field.
    Have to hope Arizona does to him what they did last time and kept him under 10 fantasy points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    I swear to god Morri, if you take this from me...
    it's out of my hands, now.

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    Could always pick up a WR on Bye and put them in the WR slot for tonight if you truly cared.

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    that would be unsportsmanlike.

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    Congrats Morri. Helluva regular season for you. I now need to make you pay in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Congrats Morri. Helluva regular season for you. I now need to make you pay in the playoffs.
    i have no idea how I've managed this. i never felt any real confidence in my team the entire season haha

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    It was the name change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    It was the name change.
    you may be on to something with this.

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    @Pablo Diablo @Morrison remember we have $50 on third place this year so you are still playing for something next week

    Barring something crazy happening tonight, our final will be kdestiny vs MMH (not trying to jump ahead or jinx KD but I wanna get this message out before I forget)

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    I swear...

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    i think mmh will agree with me when i say fuck davante adams.

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    I like him just fine

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    Congratulations to new champion kdestiny on a very tight win over MMH in the final!

    $400 Champion: kdestiny
    $100 Runner-up: MMH
    $50 Third Place: Pablo Diablo
    $100 Regular Season Champion: Morrison
    $50 Most Points in Single Week (Reg. Season): Morrison
    Last edited by Fro; January 5th, 2022 at 5:47 PM.

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    Caito is a man of the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    still #1
    Not for long

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    please stop following me with your jealousy

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    am in another cash league with my brother and some of his friends, and that buy-in is $150. stunk up the join with that team, so i managed to get those dues covered on the last day of the regular season with this league. I FEEL VERY ACCOMPLISHED.

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    Everyone has been paid, except Pablo Diablo who is applying his $50 to next season's entry fee.

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    Items on the docket for next year, which I'm jotting down before I forget:

    1. Should the consolation bracket mean anything in regard to the following season's draft order? The way ESPN does it, it's not a real bracket, it's a system where it starts out like:

    7 v 8
    9 v 10
    11 v 12
    13 v 14

    and then every week you move up or down based on whether you lose or win. Therefore the 13 and 14 seeds could never "win" i.e. could never actually get to the top. But I could manually set the matchups to set it up like a tournament bracket and then the winner could get to choose their draft spot in the follow year's draft.

    2. It was mentioned that we could deduct 1 point for any fumble, and a 2nd point for a fumble lost, instead of the current rule where you only lose points if the fumble is lost and are not penalized for a fumble recovered by your own team.

    3. There was a stir about how running QBs get too many points, and it turned into a discussion about how interceptions should be more heavily penalized. I personally don't think we should change QB scoring but you guys can make a proposal.

    4. This is minor but I want to reduce a passing 2-pt conversion from 2 points to 1.5 points. This is the same logic as to why a passing TD nets you 4 points while a receiving TD nets you 6 points. Slightly less points for the passer.

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    Here is the 2022 draft order (randomly generated):

    Pick #1 - BBF
    Pick #2 - @Morrison
    Pick #3 - Fro
    Pick #4 - Chris Scott
    Pick #5 - MMH
    Pick #6 - Torn
    Pick #7 - kdestiny
    Pick #8 - Alex
    Pick #9 - Caito
    Pick #10 - @Matthew
    Pick #11 - Honey Badger
    Pick #12 - BGMaverick
    Pick #13 - Beefy
    Pick #14 - Pablo Diablo

    Draft pick trading is now enabled on the ESPN site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    why did you @ me
    I @'d the people not in the whatsapp chat

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    That seems like a very unfortunate spot where I can’t take a Dolphin player right before Chris in order to annoy him.

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    I have pick #3 for 2 years in a row. Last year I selected Derrick Henry. The year before that I had pick #5 and selected Derrick Henry. Will I make it a 3-peat?

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