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    For a moment, I was really confused. Like, "why is this so different from the core idea of mafia?"

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    Someone do a Lost one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    Interesting idea. Gives me an idea for another game though... need to focus on one instead of workshopping 3 or 4 ideas in my head.

    Wire
    B99
    Star Wars
    The Forest (new one)

    To be fair, Brooklyn 99 was my suggestion but I would have no idea how to write up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    To be fair, Brooklyn 99 was my suggestion but I would have no idea how to write up.
    It's all yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBF View Post
    Someone do a Lost one.
    Enjoy

    https://forums.rajah.com/showthread....highlight=LOST

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    Oh, I will SUCK at no power Mafia. But it'll be a productive sucking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotre View Post
    Oh, I will SUCK at no power Mafia. But it'll be a productive sucking.
    At least you don't have to worry about getting wrapped up in flavor
    Last edited by Psycho666Soldier; May 2nd, 2019 at 11:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    *another

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    I'll request The Office again! Wouldn't know first thing about running one but someday that'd be a fun one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I'll request The Office again! Wouldn't know first thing about running one but someday that'd be a fun one.
    Oooh id prefer this to lost.

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    I have thought over lost. Hard part is who to make the "bad guys"

    Like you could do Roy and Packer but they don't really work together at all. IDK.

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    Angela and dwight would fit. Jan. TOBY

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    Stamford branch vs scranton.

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    Rob California, Nelly and D'Angelo could all be good bad guys just because of how disliked they were.

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    Scranton Strangler could be a bad guy too.

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    I wouldnt mind motorboating Nelly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    It's all yours.
    I wouldn't know where to start. Write it up if you want.

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    Maybe Not. There has already been one done.
    Last edited by Kneeneighbor; May 3rd, 2019 at 3:50 PM.

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    If we were to do a B99 mafia, would this be an ok line-up?

    Jake, Rosa, Boyle, Terry, Holt, Hitchcock and Scully (vanilla) as Town.
    Gina as the shit-stirring neutral
    The Vulture, Pontiac Bandit, Lt Hawkins, Figgie and Seamus as Mafia.

    Maybe a Halloween-like storyline?

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    My genuine suggestion would be to run something far simpler than jumping into a B99 themed game straight up. Happy to guide you through whatever you decide to do but would definitely recommend something basic without introducing significant flavour into it as your first game as mod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    My genuine suggestion would be to run something far simpler than jumping into a B99 themed game straight up. Happy to guide you through whatever you decide to do but would definitely recommend something basic without introducing significant flavour into it as your first game as mod.
    It was more ideas if you or whoever decided to do it. I need a few more Mafia games under my belt before I decide to write up on anything proper.

    In the intro though, thinking pre-emptive kill on JP!

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    Some nerd should do an MCU Mafia

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    MCU would be pretty dam awesome.

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    It's also naturally built in to allow for sequels and inclusion of other characters. Would definitely love that theme.

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    I am a little bit disgusted at myself for not thinking about it before.

    I feel a spark.

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    I mean.... X-men counts. Don't let Hollywood fool you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HHHnFoley_Rulez View Post
    I mean.... X-men counts. Don't let Hollywood fool you.
    You ran X-Men while I didn't have internet and I'll never forgive you.

    Unless you run a sequel, of course.

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    Have we not done Avengers mafia? I thought we did but could be mistaken. Maybe we only did Justice League (and X-Men like you guys were just mentioning).

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    I remember Justce League being done. I was Black Canary.

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    One of my favorites was Batman where Batman and co were the mafia and all the villains were town.

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    For funsies how's this for a setup. Justice League vs Justice Lords vs Town. Both come up as non-town, both have a factional kill but the League have to win with town.

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    I have a ridiculous idea for a game (not necessarily themed but could be adapted) and I'm faaaaaaaairly sure it's completely unbalanced and won't work out...

    ....so put that down as a maybe in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    One of my favorites was Batman where Batman and co were the mafia and all the villains were town.
    Also yes, that was brilliant.

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    Batman, Justice League, Young Justice(which was Justice League), X-Men, and TMNT if you want to count it.

    Pretty sure those are the only comic/super hero themes we've done, I'm pretty sure.

    We definitely never did Avengers.

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    Well then, Avengers assemble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HHHnFoley_Rulez View Post
    I mean.... X-men counts. Don't let Hollywood fool you.
    Hopefully one day they can make a deal with Fox(?) and get the X-Men into the MCU. Just like they did with Sony for Spider Man. They've already used Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    Hopefully one day they can make a deal with Fox(?) and get the X-Men into the MCU. Just like they did with Sony for Spider Man. They've already used Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.
    Disney have bought Fox for this very reason.

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    I wouldn't say just for this reason. But yes, they have more control over the x-men than they do Spidey now.

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    Parking my other ideas for strange mafia games, as a random act of insanity I was curious if you could actually run a Mafia game where the roles are completely random, like chosen from a list using RNG and slapped together, then allocated randomly to people as usual. You'd have an "idea" of town / mafia / neutral numbers - but you wouldn't be able to guarantee they were useful power roles (i.e. could get a treestump Mafia or Godfather town).

    The result is likely chaotic, unbalanced and might even be void of any sort of fun or strategy.

    ..... so .... should do it yeah?

    Where's everyone else's games at!

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    Maybe try one of those Venari games again since Rip had to drop his at a very early stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HHHnFoley_Rulez View Post
    Parking my other ideas for strange mafia games, as a random act of insanity I was curious if you could actually run a Mafia game where the roles are completely random, like chosen from a list using RNG and slapped together, then allocated randomly to people as usual. You'd have an "idea" of town / mafia / neutral numbers - but you wouldn't be able to guarantee they were useful power roles (i.e. could get a treestump Mafia or Godfather town).

    The result is likely chaotic, unbalanced and might even be void of any sort of fun or strategy.

    ..... so .... should do it yeah?

    Where's everyone else's games at!
    You mean like this one... that you won?

    https://forums.rajah.com/showthread.php?t=148626

    I forgot all about the socks.

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    Sock Mafia was the bees knees.

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    Oh yes sock mafia should be next. Excellent idea and something that should be easy enough with Pablo a regular player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HHHnFoley_Rulez View Post
    Parking my other ideas for strange mafia games, as a random act of insanity I was curious if you could actually run a Mafia game where the roles are completely random, like chosen from a list using RNG and slapped together, then allocated randomly to people as usual. You'd have an "idea" of town / mafia / neutral numbers - but you wouldn't be able to guarantee they were useful power roles (i.e. could get a treestump Mafia or Godfather town).

    The result is likely chaotic, unbalanced and might even be void of any sort of fun or strategy.

    ..... so .... should do it yeah?

    Where's everyone else's games at!
    It's called a Mad setup. It's actually the format for this year's Mafia Universe Championship. There's a pool of roles that are randomly assigned to each player regardless of alignment, and they are separately assigned an alignment.

    You may consider having "dual" roles(like a mafia randing the cop role getting a Ninja kill or something else that would actually benefit mafia).

    Here's an example of the Championship setup:
    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...=1#post3128399

    I actually think a role madness setup would be fun to play in an environment where we don't allow claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    You mean like this one... that you won?

    https://forums.rajah.com/showthread.php?t=148626

    I forgot all about the socks.
    I have no recollection! Sorry! I could tell which one I was because of the use of emojis.. that's bad, isn't it?

    It'd be similar to that, yeah, but you'd keep the role from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    It's called a Mad setup. It's actually the format for this year's Mafia Universe Championship. There's a pool of roles that are randomly assigned to each player regardless of alignment, and they are separately assigned an alignment.

    You may consider having "dual" roles(like a mafia randing the cop role getting a Ninja kill or something else that would actually benefit mafia).

    Here's an example of the Championship setup:
    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...=1#post3128399

    I actually think a role madness setup would be fun to play in an environment where we don't allow claims.
    Cool... I'll look more into it. Thanks.

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    If you run that game save me a spot. Even with no claiming its another practice for the championships. My game is in early June.

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    So I've made an elaborate spreadsheet that uses random numbers and VLOOKUP to spit out X number of roles, plus variants and useage (i.e. day/EN/ON/1x/2x/3x etc).

    Do I stick with the usual normal roles, or are there any potentially game-breaking favourites I should throw in.. hit me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HHHnFoley_Rulez View Post
    So I've made an elaborate spreadsheet that uses random numbers and VLOOKUP to spit out X number of roles, plus variants and useage (i.e. day/EN/ON/1x/2x/3x etc).

    Do I stick with the usual normal roles, or are there any potentially game-breaking favourites I should throw in.. hit me up.
    Hmm...I guess it depends what you mean by game-breaking? Since either side can be any role, I feel there's not much that can properly "break" the game more than role madness already does. I say get creative.

    The only roles I would avoid are the kind that reveals too many alignments at once or anything like that.

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    Game-breaking is probably the wrong phrase. Things that would be upsettingly weird..

    I'm thinking like ... bastard stuff. Like Jesters (I'm not sure a Mafia aligned Jester should be allowed, mind!) and things of that nature.

    I had a look at some of the .. weirder .. roles out there, things like bomb carriers, paranoid gun owners and such like would be interesting mix in - but might be torture for Town.

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    I think you should include at least a handful of those roles depending on how big of a game you're planning. Maybe no Jesters, but everything else sounds awesome. I think as long as it's not game-ending, you're good.

    I've been waiting for an excuse to use the Paranoid Gun Owner.

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    I hope someones got a nice stress free game lined up after this.

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    All vanilla, you say? Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HHHnFoley_Rulez View Post
    I hope someones got a nice stress free game lined up after this.
    Yes please!

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    I'll avoid breadcrumbing in that one.

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    Anyone got any plans to run a set-up within the next couple weeks after HFR's game?

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    I'm away till mid next week but keen to jump back in... Whether playing or running one. Next Wednesday marks the end of my travels till November.

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    So yeah, if people want, I was thinking of putting out sign-ups for a vanilla game to kinda counter the RNG Mafia. No roles, only a factional kill for mafia. I want to give it a couple weeks before it starts, so we can have a breather(I think starting games one after the other is what killed the momentum before). But if no one else is itching to host first, I'll make the thread at the end of the week.

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    Go for it. That will give me a few weeks to flesh out a concept or five.

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    Sorry, completely forgot to say this in the aftermath of the last game...

    Fuck breadcrumbing. Fuck it off, do not allow it, it kills games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Sorry, completely forgot to say this in the aftermath of the last game...

    Fuck breadcrumbing. Fuck it off, do not allow it, it kills games.
    Subtle Bread crumbing should be okay. Giving a map to your crumb should result in an instant thumb from above. Kdestiny's South Park is a great example of a good crumb to me.

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    It's a big unfair advantage to town, no matter how subtle or unsubtle it is. Then we have the problem of what is subtle? Then we have the problem of mods not wanting to modkill (entirely understandable) so not doing it or taking too long to, which then impacts the game in different ways.

    Town's advantage over scum is numbers. Scum's advantage over town is knowledge and communication. Giving town another, huge, advantage means the scales are tipped.

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    I'm with JP. HHH asked me via PM what he should do and I said to modkill all of you.

    The way games are set up here is very different to other places that encourage straight to role claiming and false claiming. We generally run with a few more power roles so everyone has something to contribute in the game other than just posting, so to permit breadcrumbing just takes away from that. Let people use their roles, let town employ deductive reasoning and let scum sow seeds of doubt without someone coming out with "I've got my EYE on you".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    I'm with JP. HHH asked me via PM what he should do and I said to modkill all of you.

    The way games are set up here is very different to other places that encourage straight to role claiming and false claiming. We generally run with a few more power roles so everyone has something to contribute in the game other than just posting, so to permit breadcrumbing just takes away from that. Let people use their roles, let town employ deductive reasoning and let scum sow seeds of doubt without someone coming out with "I've got my EYE on you".
    That's my bad on the EYE thing but only because my name was Iris. In my defense, I did ask HHH if it was minimalist or zero breadcrumbing. Maybe eye was a little too on the nose and I did say it a lot in the first two days but Iris hadn't come up yet so thought it would be okay and people could look back and say "Oh so THAT's what he meant by eyes" I did publically say I'd stop after Day 2 and did though by the sounds of things I may have been modkilled anyway at D4 amongst the other lot if I wasn't lynched.

    I can also see JP's point though in that it does give another advantage to town so won't do it again next game even if subtle crumbling is allowed.

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    I think the biggest problem is when you sign post the crumbing. Like Kotre wasn't being subtle, but if he hadn't told everyone he was crumbing, it would probably be fine. Same with Badger. I don't think I ever would have caught Badger's had he not said something.

    I do think moments like what Rip did is kind of inevitable, though it was pretty heavy-handed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I think the biggest problem is when you sign post the crumbing. Like Kotre wasn't being subtle, but if he hadn't told everyone he was crumbing, it would probably be fine. Same with Badger. I don't think I ever would have caught Badger's had he not said something.

    I do think moments like what Rip did is kind of inevitable, though it was pretty heavy-handed.
    IFor the first couple of days, I don't think I was signposting as such and it wasn't obvious to anyone at that point but HHH but made a concious decision to stop after Day 2 in case anyone other than him caught onto it like you said. The fact he said "sucks for Badger" on Night 4 when the modkills were happening after I was lynched and publically stopped sticks in my craw a bit though I do understand there was a lot of crumbing besides me and he felt he needed to take action though didn't want to modkill anyone in case he needed to. If I was modkiled 2 days after saying I'd stop breadcrumbing if the lynch didn't happen might have fucked me off a bit tbh.

    Knee is an odd case certainly because although he was moving house and for a long time everyone thought he was Frank due to his non-activity. He was still active on the forums during this game. Especially since he's supposed to be a Rajaf Mafia representative coming up. If something has

    Rip I'm guessing thought perhaps needed to hint more because him lynching me failed (though I understand his reasoning as I didn't explain myself well and I did accuse him after BBF) but the factors like me voting late on when virm was revealed as scum should have been enough. Me later publically admitting I only voted Stan to get a rise out of him might have got the scum radars going. I was too honest!

    In short, the lesson for me is less volume and more precision. As far as HHH goes, despite the issues he ran the best game he possibly could and threw a few surprises. I'm sure the next game he runs will be smoother but also more fun!

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    Here's a link to the game Knee will be playing.

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...People-s-Court

    We can't discuss it in here if we're interested in spectating, but I'm making a Quicktopic if anyone wants to follow along with me. Forewarning that he's playing in one of the fastest moving phase setups(12/12) and with a few experienced MU players. So there's bound to be a lot of content.

    If you're interested, let me know and I'll PM the link to the QT for ya.

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    Can send me the link. I'll try and check in from time to time when I get a chance to read it.

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    Yes I would like to keep up with it too.

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    Game's over, so here's the link to the spec chat when Knee gets back:

    https://www.quicktopic.com/mytopics

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