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    I really hope all these subtle teases of the hurt business getting back together and feuding with the new day are true.

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    We shoulda had that before Summerslam

    It was all right there

    Instead, we got a Goldberg break

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    This guy is a complete fucking idiot though lol. It's not interesting at all. The replies speak volumes of what I've always thought of this little fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    This guy is a complete fucking idiot though lol. It's not interesting at all. The replies speak volumes of what I've always thought of this little fuck.
    Why? They're classified as independent contractors but not able to work for other companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Why? They're classified as independent contractors but not able to work for other companies.
    You know as well as I do it's not that simple. We also know it's not true. The problem with you and fans like you is that you live in the tiny wrestling bubble and think "Oh John Cena should be able to put GCW over WWE any time he wants!" Wrong. WWE is priority. WWE also does let wrestlers do shit outside of WWE. Sure, 99% of the time you're not going to get the approval to go work for AEW for a few months.

    WWE isn't just wrestling. When I see John Cena in a movie or someone making a cameo on a tv show or something, I don't go "Look at that, Vince will let Roman Reigns go a movie but he can't work some matches for Impact!?!?!?!"

    Why doesn't Yang go after the UFC while he's at it. See, that's just how Yang is. He thinks that we should all be able to take from what someone else built. And he won't accomplish shit. Good luck Yang you quitter.

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    I don't agree with WWE classifying them as independent contractors because of the degree of control that WWE holds. This classification as independent contractors instead of as employees prevents them from forming a union, requires the wrestlers to pay wage taxes, and exempts WWE from having to provide healthcare coverage.

    I am not an Andrew Yang fan, but WWE has been wrong on this issue for years.

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    Yang just says things and then gives up on them shortly after. He has zero stroke.

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    I'm not an Andrew Yang fan ....at all. And I think this is him entirely being vindictive because he doesn't like the owners.


    But in the last 20 years, I've been through 4 DOL audits on classification status. My companies were never found to have misclassified, but I have spent hours and hours defending individual decisions. Its been a few years since my last one. I used to work for companies' that a higher percentage of payments to non-employees.


    Its not just about them being able to perform or not perform for other companies. The Supreme Court actually has guidance on the main factors;

    The extent to which the services rendered are an integral part of the principal's business.
    The permanency of the relationship.
    The amount of the alleged contractor's investment in facilities and equipment.
    The nature and degree of control by the principal.
    The alleged contractor's opportunities for profit and loss.
    The amount of initiative, judgment, or foresight in open market competition with others required for the success of the claimed independent contractor.
    The degree of independent business organization and operation.


    There is not guidance on how much to weight each of these factors. You don't have to be clean or dirty on all 7 to be considered wrongly. Usually its more than 1, but if you have just a couple that weigh to one side, and the Dept feels its heavy, they can go that way. And I can tell you for a fact that different auditors go about their checks/investigations and weightings very fucking differently.


    I don't have knowledge on all the WWE's practice, but I think its probably more grey then people realize. And I would expect the current DOL to err on the side of employee classifications


    However, from previous challenges I think this is likely one area that WWE legal is likely very skilled at fighting against.


    Would be interesting.



    But even if it had an effect, I don't see any altruism from Yang here.

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    The wrestling business is so strange I'm sure it's extremely difficult to win these battles. But hey, CM Punk won his lawsuit right? So there's hope. Just none for Yang.

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    The frustrating thing about those audits/investigations is its so fucking arbitrary. Any one I did, I always thought we were correct. But there were ones I recognized were sometimes more grey and was nervous about the DOL seeing differently. And half the time, they would just skim over that position and spend an hour grilling me on something where we were basically 100%

    And then at the end of the day, its pretty much going to be how DOL decides to interpret, and they have huge latitude.

    If someone wanted to go at them, the DOL route is a better way than an individual suit, where an individual would be severely disadvantaged trying to establish a misclassification (and that's before we get to whether they could actually show harm).


    And though Yang is trying to be Billy BadAss here and show how he went at big, bad WWE (?), it would be an ok strategy to have multiple people who are current or former employees make complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    The wrestling business is so strange I'm sure it's extremely difficult to win these battles. But hey, CM Punk won his lawsuit right? So there's hope. Just none for Yang.
    As I recall, CM Punk and Jesse Ventura both won their lawsuits against WWE, but neither of those cases specifically addressed the independent contractor status.

    Mazer's posts are spot on - the arbitrary nature of the DOL decisions on these investigations is maddening. But as for the determination as to whether the wrestlers could show harm, it would seem pretty easy. The wrestlers have had to pay the employer share of wage taxes, as well as pay for their health insurance, and the cost of having someone prepare their taxes vs. filing them by themselves, is easily determined.

    Yang is just a big enough name to bring attention to this issue. It clearly wasn't going to be addressed by the former administration, which Linda was a part of, but now that there's been another wave of releases, it's a pretty smart move to try to get several complaints together.

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    Absolutely, That's a great way to go at harm.

    Of course, any worth their salt will subpoena their tax records, show any advantages they claimed that they wouldn't have had if they were regular employees, they'll push for any independent venture, and then how much is really left over as damage for the average person who didn't suffer a catastrophic injury when you weigh against the additional expenses they did accrue. Would it be enough to push action? One of the reasons they can get these pittance settlements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    As I recall, CM Punk and Jesse Ventura both won their lawsuits against WWE, but neither of those cases specifically addressed the independent contractor status.

    Mazer's posts are spot on - the arbitrary nature of the DOL decisions on these investigations is maddening. But as for the determination as to whether the wrestlers could show harm, it would seem pretty easy. The wrestlers have had to pay the employer share of wage taxes, as well as pay for their health insurance, and the cost of having someone prepare their taxes vs. filing them by themselves, is easily determined.

    Yang is just a big enough name to bring attention to this issue. It clearly wasn't going to be addressed by the former administration, which Linda was a part of, but now that there's been another wave of releases, it's a pretty smart move to try to get several complaints together.
    You're right I'm sorry I didn't even go into why I used him as a reference. It was mainly to show that despite WWE being a giant, they've lost in court, but I don't think they've ever lost or really been taken to court over this issue.

    Is Yang a big enough name? What does he even do now?

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    Came across this, and just thought it was a cool pic


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    What if Vince is slowly killing WWE because he doesn't want anyone to take over once he's gone? That's why he's letting talent go. It would explain the poor decisions WWE has made recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Came across this, and just thought it was a cool pic


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Came across this, and just thought it was a cool pic

    Well since Donald of people after you missed the joke:

    You “came” across that huh?

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    I do have an odd fascination with Arnold. I've come across many of his pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I do have an odd fascination with Arnold. I've come across many of his pictures.
    Who doesn’t love Arnold?

    Him and HHH confrontation on Smackdown back in the day when he nailed him with a chair. Imagine if that went further to a match or if Arnold was in the Rock’s corner on PPV. That would’ve been MEGA!

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    I have an Arnold autobiography, which I only read the first chapter since that's what I tend to do with all books but it was fascinating reading about his childhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I have an Arnold autobiography, which I only read the first chapter since that's what I tend to do with all books but it was fascinating reading about his childhood.
    Do you listen to Austrian Death Machine? They’ve been around longer but my friend pointed me out to them and they’re great.

    Thrash metal Arnie parody band. If you’re not a fan then become one because you’d love this shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Do you listen to Austrian Death Machine? They’ve been around longer but my friend pointed me out to them and they’re great.

    Thrash metal Arnie parody band. If you’re not a fan then become one because you’d love this shit.
    The man behind this band is Tim Lambesis of As I lay Dying, btw. He stopped making music for a few years because he was in prison for the attempted murder of his wife.

    Anyway, I know he's doing stuff with AILD again, I wonder if he's putting out ADM music again too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    What if Vince is slowly killing WWE because he doesn't want anyone to take over once he's gone? That's why he's letting talent go. It would explain the poor decisions WWE has made recently.
    I don't know if I'd call them poor decisions. The talent who have left that actually moved the needle elsewhere, for the most part they left on their own. CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, those 2 didn't get released. Jericho, Moxley...the WWE can't FORCE people to stay and we've all said that the WWE have a bloated roster where many aren't even used.

    Those that were released, I honestly haven't really scratched my head at any of them after really thinking about it. That includes Strowman, Wyatt, even Black. Black unfortunately was just one of those darlings that people were confused as to why he was built up only to kill him off-I'd blame his wife but hey that's me.

    You can basically predict from a mile away how a released WWE wrestler will be booked. It'll be all about how WWE didn't use them, didn't think they were good enough. So their story is proving WWE wrong lol. It's like getting cut from the NFL and you fly over to the CFL to prove to that audience what the NFL was missing....and hope they take you back.

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    after ten years, Matt Cardona’s reign as internet champion has been ended by this gay guy.

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    Hell yeah, Effy.


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    Brian Cage interview highlights on the main page. He talks about knowing Curt Hennig while he was training and says he was a great guy...before going on to say that Curt H-Bombed him once as a prank. I assume he didn't think anything of it and just thought it was funny, but the timing of that after the Plane Ride from Hell episode of Dark Side of the Ring seems like awkward timing to talk about great guys drugging trainees

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    He doesn't talk about WWE til like 42mins in but I love Pat McAfee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post


    after ten years, Matt Cardona’s reign as internet champion has been ended by this gay guy.
    Looks like the love child of Enzo and Rick Boogz

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    He looks like when you do the random CAW in Here Comes The Pain

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    Happy Birthday Yokozuna! Would’ve been 55 today.

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    Bo Dallas stole my aunt's chicken thigh recipe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Happy Birthday Yokozuna! Would’ve been 55 today.
    Damn. One of those things where in normal human years that's not old at all. But even in the wrestling world, when you read something like this it really makes you go damn, that was a young guy when he passed.

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    Fun question I saw on Twitter:

    Who would you rather have on your roster for the next five years - Bron Breakker or MJF?

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    Apples and oranges. One guy we've seen 3 weeks worth of, the other has been around for 4-5 years at least not to mention the last 2+ years he's been in AEW.

    Also, which company? WWE? Definitely not MJF. The guy is a PR nightmare. They already have WWE MJF, he's called The Miz.

    Now if they said who would you rather have, MJF or Pete Dunne, you might have a real argument with some depth.

    Nobody knows what Steiner brings to the table, while the other person is considered one of the golden boys of the future....And it wasn't based on 3 weeks of his developmental work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post


    Not bad at all

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    looks pretty good. Then again, chicken thighs are prob the easiest thing to cook.

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    shoulda made a nice spaghetti to go with it am I fucking right capiche

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    I mean shit all that time in catering he should've picked up SOMETHING. Hey maybe the fans will finally get the Bray Wyatt/Bo Dallas tag-team they've been craving for centuries.

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    Lana has said WWE doesn't own the name Lana because it's like the name Mike and they can't own Mike either. Lana to AEW confirmed.

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    Maybe. Why didn't Virgil call himself Virgil when he went to WCW?

    I just hate everything about her. She seems very clueless and entitled. Miro is probably a Chris Candido.

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    Ooh a new Dave Chapelle special. I hear people are upset. Must be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Ooh a new Dave Chapelle special. I hear people are upset. Must be good.
    If you don't upset at least one person you're a shitty comedian. Dave Chapelle has been pissing people off for over 25 years. He's never NOT delivered. Now that GBF retired I don't have to listen to his hater comments.

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    The Twitch breach has leaked streamers gross payouts for subscriptions & bits.

    The top wrestling streamers are

    Paige: $478,224

    Zelina Vega: $341,748

    Adam Cole: $318,080

    Impact Wrestling: $70,000

    Tyler Breeze: $43,755

    Evil Uno: $35,742

    Colt Cabana: $32,479

    Xavier Woods: $25,431
    A little surprised how much Cole is reportedly making even though I've seen whales in his twitch chat spending tons of money for some reason. I never imagined it was to that level.

    Totally makes sense he wouldn't want to give that up.

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    Fuck Adam Cole

    It totally makes sense why Paige and Vega wouldn't, especially Paige. She could retire for good from wrestling if she's making almost half a mill a year on Twitch. I assume this is for the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    I dig crazy chicks
    You're not allowed to say that anymore.

    She's going to be an executive producer and doing commentary apparently. I have to think she'll wrestle eventually though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    If you don't upset at least one person you're a shitty comedian. Dave Chapelle has been pissing people off for over 25 years. He's never NOT delivered. Now that GBF retired I don't have to listen to his hater comments.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post




    i take you didn't read the article, whose author is a black man, in order to understand the context of that line clipped in that second image?

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    A fascinating and very candid interview on the main page with Adam Scherr, definitely worth a listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    i take you didn't read the article, whose author is a black man, in order to understand the context of that line clipped in that second image?
    I think I know the answer

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    I read the article and it's filled with the same stuff certain critics have said about all of his Netflix specials. It's like people pretend to know what he's about and then an article like this comes out. He sets the bar. He shows up after 10-15 years and picks up right where he left off.

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    I can't believe Tech really got The Rock on a track. 3mins in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I can't believe Tech really got The Rock on a track. 3mins in.
    That was a banger.

    The Rock can rap, who knew?

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    WWE Champion Big E hyped up the Fury/Wilder fight in a pretaped promo.

    WWE put it on their Instagram.
    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CU1Z_qa...dium=copy_link
    Last edited by Bert; October 10th, 2021 at 1:33 AM.

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    Big E was at the Iowa game and one of my son's good friend was able to get a picture with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I can't believe Tech really got The Rock on a track. 3mins in.
    This whole track went hard but The Rock being on this was crazy. I know he's a huge Tech fan. I'm thinking about going to Tech's show here on the 27th. Due to him being from KC I swear this man has performed here at least once a year since Angelic.

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    Sugar honeycomb is a weird game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    That was a banger.

    The Rock can rap, who knew?

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    Ziggler said you think about dying in the ring a lot more when you're in the ring with Goldberg.

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    Universal Monster x TMNT line announced by NECA.

    ATTN @mth:


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    oooooh. I had the OG version from back in the day of that fig. That's real sexy. When do those roll out?

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    No word on dates yet. I’m all for it though. You were the first person I thought of since I know of your love for Frankenstein(‘s monster).

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    Gawd bless you. If you hear anything, lemme know.

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    I shall. NECA will prob announce the rest of the lineup throughout this week.

    I’m such a sucker for Universal monsters.

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    Word. Big fan of the classics and a bit cheesed that all the merch these days is for the new era guys (Freddy, Jason, Scream, Leatherface, Chucky, Pinhead, etc.). So I always geek when they get the OG Universal spooks out in some form and of course I geek extra hard when it's my big stitched-up boy.

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    Man I remember those alternate outfit TMNT figures. I had a shit ton, I loved the ones where they were a rock band.

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    Great interview with Renee. She got screamed at by Vince for not mentioning Tyson Fury was lineal champ. Overall she doesn't have bad feelings towards Vince or WWE though.

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    Fightful says nZo has signed with MLW.

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    Mediocre with the in-ring ability but the dude is up there with some of the very best on the mic. When he roasted the other cruiserweights...brilliant.

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    Random discovery by me today. Had no idea this even existed!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Random discovery by me today. Had no idea this even existed!



    One of them was Gillberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    One of them was Gillberg.
    So I saw.

    Duane Gill is like the king of silly gimmicks but he does them well!

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    Omg @mth the next TMNT/Monster is…



    Leo as Igor the hunchback. Omg.

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    Interesting as that's not a throwback to the OG line where he was the Wolfman, I believe. But now I'm remembering that it wasn't Raph as Frankenstein' Monster in the OG line, either, it was Mkey, so But this one'll pair up nicely with the other one. Wondering if they're all going off the Frankenstein theme and the next will be the mad scientist?

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    There's a leaked list showing Michelangelo as the Mummy. No clue as to who Donatello will be yet.

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    Great day to watch The Crow

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    In his book Mox says Les Thatcher said this was the best wrestling match ever.

    I also found out he likes the rapper The Game and his album The Documentary, that was unexpected. It's a good album though. Hate It Or Love It is still a bop.

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    Mox also said to look this up.

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    It makes total sense why she was given the chances she was over other women. I would've made her World champ fuck the booth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post


    Great day to watch The Crow
    I do a 31 Days of Halloween and every Devil's Night is designated for The Crow. When I lived in Detroit, it was surreal being there seeing abandoned houses, buildings, cars, etc. set on fire. Sky was red for a few days.

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    Angel Garza and Humberto Carrillo have apparently lost their last names in the move to Smackdown.

    What is the point of this

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    Honestly I think it's just a way to cut words out of an announcers mouth.

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    Just calling them Angel and Humberto is so weird.

    Also naming their tag team “the womanizers” is a pretty solid choice

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    So Bandido booked Travis Banks for one of his shows, but then people got upset so Travis Banks was unbooked from the show and a mysterious man named Galactico who wears kickpads with New Zealand stars on them was on the show instead.

    God I love luchadors and their carnie ways

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    This is just so funny and random. Not sure it's a clip from Botchamania.


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    ICP on After The Bell is not something I expected.

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    That's pretty dope.

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    Snoop Dogg is also on JRE and he gave him a Def Jam chain and jacket. Joe said he'd wear the jacket to the December UFC ppv.

    He's been playing music from his new album and has his own mic.

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    First time seeing this match. KO is great on commentary.

    And here's the Bucks and Hardys talking before and after it:
    https://streamable.com/mgug3

    I'm guessing it's from BTE? @Hero! Do you know if that's where the clip of them talking is from?

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    Rajahmeet? @Mazer @MTR @Caito @virms

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    Are you hosting now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Are you hosting now?
    Nvm I'm probably busy. Kids 18th birthday or something.

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    Apparently it's a result of a sort of new Y2K.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

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