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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Oh yeah. This is their way of inducting China without having to deal with the individual attention she'd get otherwise.
    Next year I hope Asia is inducted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    So silly, she did porn so she cant be in the WWE HOF, Trumps in the HOF and he banged a pornstar.
    Difference between banging a porn star and BEING a porn star

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    Hulk Hogan was in a sex tape.... I think it's a matter of time before he turns to porn.

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    I got the impression he wanted to be, but his daughter Brooke said nope

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    Got a 'like' from Mick Foley on Twitter last night for sharing my story. I was 'wrestling' with my 6 year-old last night and he insists on entrance themes for us both. He randomly chose Mankind. As he's coming down the 'aisle' we look up and Mick Foley is on the TV screen being interviewed by Sky Sports News.

    Pretty random, like.

    Love that he cut a promo on Rhea Ripley during it too.

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    Nice.

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    So I was listening to a story with John Pollock. He mentioned how he was in the media suite during WrestleMania 29 (which was held at the same stadium as this year's Mania). He vividly remembered an interaction where a fan went up to Kofi Kingston. The fan (a child) asked Kofi who he was facing that night. Pollock said that Kofi's response was, "Not this year." It's also of note that Kofi was a preshow analyst for that show. It's crazy to think how much that will radically change in the very same stadium, six years later.

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    As odd as it is seeing AJ Styles in a match not for the top championship, it speaks to the depth of Smackdown and just how well everyone is utilized and not often forgotten about. With the way they done this program with Kofi it has to end with a title win even if it's just a 2 day reign. They've really made this interesting.

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    Smackdown main event is insane. On any given night you could have:

    AJ Styles
    daniel bryan
    Andrade
    Samoa Joe
    Rey Mysterio
    Shinsuke Nakamura
    Mustafa Ali
    Randy Orton

    in a main event match and not one person feels our of place. You can also take guys like Cesaro, Sheamus, and Rusev and mix them in for an even better time.

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    I love Mustafa Ali. The dude is a fantastic wrestler and he seems like a great guy in real-life, too.

    But guys, can you think of a more random recent main event push than Ali? Its amazing how WWE decided to pluck this guy out of (relative) obscurity over on 205 Live and give him a major push on the big show (not the Big Show) essentially out of nowhere. Who would've or could've seen that coming?

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    Yeah, I've mentioned it before but I was getting bummed that he kept falling short in his CW Title matches and then suddenly he pops over to SD and jumps into the main event scene. As a fan of his, it was quite an emotional shift. But it's refreshing as it seems like a lot of guys that get called up just fiddle about in the midcard for awhile having meaningless feuds, so it was cool to see a guy start out right near the top. Makes it feel like he's got value right off the bat.

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    Smackdown is so good I don't know why it trails raw in the ratings. Its the better show. I wouldn't change it up that much before the move to fox.

    In the last 4 months WWE elevated Ali and Kofi but on raw they feel like everyone is a midcarder except Roman. Seth has cooled off. Dean went backwards. Drew was the same level until this week.

    There are really no matches I really care about at wrestlmania for Raw. Smackdown matches with less time per week are more interesting.

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    I wonder when WWE will stop living in the past and we can get a Wrestlemania without Triple H, Shane McMahon, the Unertaker, Batista, or Kurt Angle wrestling on it. Meanwhile they have Strowman in a program with two no name SNL guys, Shinsuke Nakamura will probably be backstage dancing, Rusev will be doing needlework, and Baron Corbin will get a high profile match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Smackdown main event is insane. On any given night you could have:

    AJ Styles
    daniel bryan
    Andrade
    Samoa Joe
    Rey Mysterio
    Shinsuke Nakamura
    Mustafa Ali
    Randy Orton

    in a main event match and not one person feels our of place. You can also take guys like Cesaro, Sheamus, and Rusev and mix them in for an even better time.
    *Ahem


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I wonder when WWE will stop living in the past and we can get a Wrestlemania without Triple H, Shane McMahon, the Unertaker, Batista, or Kurt Angle wrestling on it. Meanwhile they have Strowman in a program with two no name SNL guys, Shinsuke Nakamura will probably be backstage dancing, Rusev will be doing needlework, and Baron Corbin will get a high profile match.
    I wouldn't be so upset about it if it wasn't usually a part-time vs another part-time. If they used the stars for direct programs with the current roster, it would do wonders for the company. Not to mention light a fresh fire under the oldies.

    I don't mind having the occasional dream match between old-timers, but 90% of the time is a horrible use of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I wonder when WWE will stop living in the past and we can get a Wrestlemania without Triple H, Shane McMahon, the Unertaker, Batista, or Kurt Angle wrestling on it. Meanwhile they have Strowman in a program with two no name SNL guys, Shinsuke Nakamura will probably be backstage dancing, Rusev will be doing needlework, and Baron Corbin will get a high profile match.
    I think this argument would resonate with me more if more than two of the guys you mentioned were in matches of prominence. Even with that, the two are in the same match so it’s not spread out. I see your point, but the Triple H/Batista match is fourth in the perceived big four for this card (Raw women’s title, Universal title, and WWE title ahead of it). It’s Mania so it’s going to have a bunch of stuff catering or attempting to cater to a wide variety of people.

    Making a main event like they did in Australia with four part timers is more problematic to me.

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    why? people in australia don't get big shows, especially like that one. they deserved the stars. i'd rather they turn up there, rather than wrestlemania.

    with that said hhh/batista has had a great buildup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    why? people in australia don't get big shows, especially like that one. they deserved the stars. i'd rather they turn up there, rather than wrestlemania.

    with that said hhh/batista has had a great buildup
    The out of market (country) audience is an obvious reason for why it makes sense but that felt like it got a lot of TV time and not much of it was all that good. It wasn’t even HBK’s comeback match too. This circles back to Donald’s point though. You say they deserve stars. It is an indictment if that’s WWE’s answer to your plea.

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    i just see those overseas megashows as a 'best of' type of show. it didn't help that the hhh/taker and the tag match were just lackluster matches as well.

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    Yep. If the stars to some are the wrestlers who have been wrestling for 30 years as opposed to the talent that is on t.v. every day for the last 5-10....then the WWE definitely have struggled to spread the star power post-2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    The out of market (country) audience is an obvious reason for why it makes sense but that felt like it got a lot of TV time and not much of it was all that good. It wasn’t even HBK’s comeback match too. This circles back to Donald’s point though. You say they deserve stars. It is an indictment if that’s WWE’s answer to your plea.
    people overseas are fans of these old guys too, and have had a tiny fraction of a chance to experience them live when compared to people in the us, canada and even the uk. putting them in prominent matches for those shows is perfectly fine and not some damning indictment of the wwe not making new stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    people overseas are fans of these old guys too, and have had a tiny fraction of a chance to experience them live when compared to people in the us, canada and even the uk. putting them in prominent matches for those shows is perfectly fine and not some damning indictment of the wwe not making new stars.
    That’s fair, but I’ll still stick with my stance that it wasn’t very good and they haven’t really been successful in regards to really making legit stars. It’s not really a situation where one side has to be right and the other is wrong.

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    there is a side where the running and booking of that one-off special event show doesnt need to be turned into a pissing match about wwe's roster building and writing, though.

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    Or is it just another example that people use to point out the fact the WWE, regardless if it's Crown Jewel, Fastlane, Supershowdown, Summerslam....the reliance on the stars of yesteryear is almost beyond even WCW?

    Personally, I like the old vets in the mix even if it's just for these big big shows. But I can definitely respect people looking at the future wondering if Triple H is still going to be getting a spot at 57 because they're still not sure Seth Rollins is worth putting more effort into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    there is a side where the running and booking of that one-off special event show doesnt need to be turned into a pissing match about wwe's roster building and writing, though.
    No pissing here.

    It was a one-off that did transition to the next “ppv event” and was pretty much the same thing again. Granted, it did get the benefit of a good reason for essentially doing the same thing with the in-ring return for HBK. I would also say that the second go round wasn’t particularly good, as well. A lot of that went to crap because of the injury but the build (particularly on the side of Taker and Kane were disgustingly bad).

    I think, originally going back to Donald’s point, one of the bigger points of contention is the fact that these were the main events. I feel like I’m fairly consistent that my pushback with him in regards to Mania is that his concern is alleviated because those types of matches are getting TV time but they’re not going to be the main focus of each episode. Those two matches I’m mentioning were main events and given a fairly substantial amount of TV time for builds. That’s where the disconnect is for me.

    Theres a happy medium somewhere in there that they haven’t calibrated to my liking, and I get that’s an extremely biased perspective. Those examples are the rough end while Triple H/Cena and Taker/Rusev at the Greatest Royal Rumble are on the other end of the spectrum: not at the top of the card but absolutely no build of significance other than saying “hey, these will be on the card.” Something along the lines of what we saw over the last two episodes of Raw and Smackdown feels pretty good in terms of allocation of time and attention for what’s coming up.

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    HHH vs Taker being set up for Australia was different in that they needed a big match to sell out a massive stadium months out and as the others said was a joy for us attending fans. You don't have to like it. It wasn't for you specifically. So it makes the comment that BG thought them headlining was problematic a bit weird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I wouldn't be so upset about it if it wasn't usually a part-time vs another part-time. If they used the stars for direct programs with the current roster, it would do wonders for the company. Not to mention light a fresh fire under the oldies.

    I don't mind having the occasional dream match between old-timers, but 90% of the time is a horrible use of them.
    How often has it really happened versus the opposite though, where are you plucking your 90% figure from? The stars have been in direct programs with the current roster a fair bit it's a bizarre argument to suggest it would do such wonders when it's already happened. Just from the guys Donald mentioned + Goldberg:

    Shane McMahon is facing the Miz
    Shane McMahon last year was with Bryan, Owens and Zayn
    Kurt Angle and HHH last year were involved with current star Ronda Rousey
    Goldberg put over Lesnar (surely deemed a current star?) and worked with Kevin Owens
    Undertaker faced Roman Reigns
    Triple H faced Seth Rollins
    Triple H faced Roman Reigns
    Shane faced AJ Styles

    Last time Batista was there he worked with Daniel Bryan and then the Shield..

    HHH vs Batista is steeped in history and has made good TV. Nicely supplements the big matches on the show and along with Brock Lesnar's presence can draw in older fans to see the new stars which are heavily involved in the top end of the card - Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, Ronda Rousey, Seth Rollins and Daniel Bryan

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    They're just giving the rich prince and friends who are still stuck in the 80s and 90s when it comes to WWE what they want because their pockets are lined with cash. No women wrestlers (though I realise culture plays a big part there). They didn't even know Yokozuna was dead. It's a bit useless to compare it to how the day-to-day product is booked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Or is it just another example that people use to point out the fact the WWE, regardless if it's Crown Jewel, Fastlane, Supershowdown, Summerslam....the reliance on the stars of yesteryear is almost beyond even WCW?
    Personally, I like the old vets in the mix even if it's just for these big big shows. But I can definitely respect people looking at the future wondering if Triple H is still going to be getting a spot at 57 because they're still not sure Seth Rollins is worth putting more effort into.
    To be fair Seth Rollins wrestled HHH, won, and is now in the title match in a bigger match than HHH.

    I mean if they use it as an example that the company relies on these big stars then they would be wrong. For some shows and markets they are big useful draws and I don't think using their still strong star power as draws in the current product is bad but in 10 years time it's highly likely Roman Reigns or whoever from today will be viewed in the same way, similar to now John Cena, a few years ago the biggest "current" star is when he is rolled out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torn View Post
    HHH vs Taker being set up for Australia was different in that they needed a big match to sell out a massive stadium months out and as the others said was a joy for us attending fans. You don't have to like it. It wasn't for you specifically. So it makes the comment that BG thought them headlining was problematic a bit weird.
    Sorry. That was a poorly developed sentence on my end. I meant it’s problematic if they did that, and did so frequently for their major events. Again, I can see the thought process for the overseas special events but if it’s happening more frequently with Mania, Summerslam and other big events as main events, that would raise red flags to me.

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    *Mental note, upmaybe use this paet-timer's topic for Wilfred's*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I wouldn't be so upset about it if it wasn't usually a part-time vs another part-time. If they used the stars for direct programs with the current roster, it would do wonders for the company. Not to mention light a fresh fire under the oldies.

    I don't mind having the occasional dream match between old-timers, but 90% of the time is a horrible use of them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torn View Post
    HHH vs Taker being set up for Australia was different in that they needed a big match to sell out a massive stadium months out and as the others said was a joy for us attending fans. You don't have to like it. It wasn't for you specifically. So it makes the comment that BG thought them headlining was problematic a bit weird.



    How often has it really happened versus the opposite though, where are you plucking your 90% figure from? The stars have been in direct programs with the current roster a fair bit it's a bizarre argument to suggest it would do such wonders when it's already happened. Just from the guys Donald mentioned + Goldberg:

    Shane McMahon is facing the Miz
    Shane McMahon last year was with Bryan, Owens and Zayn
    Kurt Angle and HHH last year were involved with current star Ronda Rousey
    Goldberg put over Lesnar (surely deemed a current star?) and worked with Kevin Owens
    Undertaker faced Roman Reigns
    Triple H faced Seth Rollins
    Triple H faced Roman Reigns
    Shane faced AJ Styles

    Last time Batista was there he worked with Daniel Bryan and then the Shield..

    HHH vs Batista is steeped in history and has made good TV. Nicely supplements the big matches on the show and along with Brock Lesnar's presence can draw in older fans to see the new stars which are heavily involved in the top end of the card - Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, Ronda Rousey, Seth Rollins and Daniel Bryan
    exactly what torn has said. there has been plenty of old vs new interactions.

    and beyond that, would you say roman getting involved with trips and taker DID WONDERS for him or the weekly product? or seth beating trips? cause i certainly wouldnt. this whole mentality of 'use the old dudes to put over young guys' thing is so tedious, cause it's not some cure-all. good writing, character work and consistency is what will do wonders.

    i didnt give any more or less of a shit about roman, seth, owens, zayn or aj when they tangled with or beat old part timers.

    my interest level in randy orton vs aj styles did a complete 180 after that promo on smackdown this past week, however.

    these smarky platitudes arent going to help anything if theyre not supported correctly before, during and after the fact.

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    I do generalky agree with yout point. But just to be nit-picky a wee bit, Roman vs Taker was a big huge fucking deal though. To the point that the night after Roman won, he had to stand there quietly for 10 minutes where the crowd booed and shat on him for 10+ minutes before declaring that this was his yard now.

    Absorbed the heat like a fucking champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I do generalky agree with yout point. But just to be nit-picky a wee bit, Roman vs Taker was a big huge fucking deal though. To the point that the night after Roman won, he had to stand there quietly for 10 minutes where the crowd booed and shat on him for 10+ minutes before declaring that this was his yard now.

    Absorbed the heat like a fucking champ.
    but it wasnt. they hardly bring it up, even when he went up against brock last year, which would be the prime place to tout it. that post mania crowd wouldve reacted that way to roman 90% of the time, anyway. taker came back more often after that match than most years previous. they did nothing with the match or outcome, and two years later nobody really thinks about it, which makes it just as bad as spot booking some part timers together for a one off show.

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    When Reigns went against Brock, they brought it up a lot that they were the only 2 guys who had defeated Taker. It isn't fair to say they did nothing with it.

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    Also with Reigns' current situation, it's hard for people to look back on it or mention it when he got absolutely shat on post-Mania.

    At the time the feud was huge though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torn View Post
    HHH vs Taker being set up for Australia was different in that they needed a big match to sell out a massive stadium months out and as the others said was a joy for us attending fans. You don't have to like it. It wasn't for you specifically. So it makes the comment that BG thought them headlining was problematic a bit weird.



    How often has it really happened versus the opposite though, where are you plucking your 90% figure from? The stars have been in direct programs with the current roster a fair bit it's a bizarre argument to suggest it would do such wonders when it's already happened. Just from the guys Donald mentioned + Goldberg:

    Shane McMahon is facing the Miz
    Shane McMahon last year was with Bryan, Owens and Zayn
    Kurt Angle and HHH last year were involved with current star Ronda Rousey
    Goldberg put over Lesnar (surely deemed a current star?) and worked with Kevin Owens
    Undertaker faced Roman Reigns
    Triple H faced Seth Rollins
    Triple H faced Roman Reigns
    Shane faced AJ Styles

    Last time Batista was there he worked with Daniel Bryan and then the Shield..

    HHH vs Batista is steeped in history and has made good TV. Nicely supplements the big matches on the show and along with Brock Lesnar's presence can draw in older fans to see the new stars which are heavily involved in the top end of the card - Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, Ronda Rousey, Seth Rollins and Daniel Bryan
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    exactly what torn has said. there has been plenty of old vs new interactions.

    and beyond that, would you say roman getting involved with trips and taker DID WONDERS for him or the weekly product? or seth beating trips? cause i certainly wouldnt. this whole mentality of 'use the old dudes to put over young guys' thing is so tedious, cause it's not some cure-all. good writing, character work and consistency is what will do wonders.

    i didnt give any more or less of a shit about roman, seth, owens, zayn or aj when they tangled with or beat old part timers.

    my interest level in randy orton vs aj styles did a complete 180 after that promo on smackdown this past week, however.

    these smarky platitudes arent going to help anything if theyre not supported correctly before, during and after the fact.
    You guys took that a bit too seriously. I was just throwing a random number that implies most of the time. That's a fair point about how many stars recently HAVE had matches against part-timers, and I'm not saying I never enjoy a good part-timer vs. part-timer feud. Just that I feel until the last couple Manias, you hardly saw them mix it up with the younger crowd. And no, it's not a magic cure-all, but it gets more attention on the younger stars for those that only tune in for WrestleMania.

    I don't count Goldberg/Lesnar, though. While he's more a "current star" than any of the other offenders, he's from a bygone era, and even had a match with Goldberg back then. While he may have reinvented himself upon his return, I still think he belongs in the category of nostalgic stars that can easily be used to put others over.

    For the record, I'm down for Batista/HHH. I just chimed in on my two cents when Donald made a comment.

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    Also with Reigns' current situation, it's hard for people to look back on it or mention it when he got absolutely shat on post-Mania.

    At the time the feud was huge though.
    'at the time.' so it had no lasting impact or sustained importance. and that's if you honestly want to say it was huge at the time, which i dont really agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    You guys took that a bit too seriously. I was just throwing a random number that implies most of the time. That's a fair point about how many stars recently HAVE had matches against part-timers, and I'm not saying I never enjoy a good part-timer vs. part-timer feud. Just that I feel until the last couple Manias, you hardly saw them mix it up with the younger crowd. And no, it's not a magic cure-all, but it gets more attention on the younger stars for those that only tune in for WrestleMania.

    I don't count Goldberg/Lesnar, though. While he's more a "current star" than any of the other offenders, he's from a bygone era, and even had a match with Goldberg back then. While he may have reinvented himself upon his return, I still think he belongs in the category of nostalgic stars that can easily be used to put others over.

    For the record, I'm down for Batista/HHH. I just chimed in on my two cents when Donald made a comment.
    what's the importance of 'getting eyes on the young stars' for people who only watch mania if all they're gonna do is watch mania? hope they someone inspire that fan to watch every week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torn View Post
    To be fair Seth Rollins wrestled HHH, won, and is now in the title match in a bigger match than HHH.

    I mean if they use it as an example that the company relies on these big stars then they would be wrong. For some shows and markets they are big useful draws and I don't think using their still strong star power as draws in the current product is bad but in 10 years time it's highly likely Roman Reigns or whoever from today will be viewed in the same way, similar to now John Cena, a few years ago the biggest "current" star is when he is rolled out.
    And who's Seth facing? Another guy who barely works and is treated like the gigantic star that he is. I think more than Half of WM this year is going to be part-timers wrestling. Triple H v. Batista, Lesnar, Angle, John Cena, probably Undertaker in some fashion, Shane McMahon......An argument could be made for Ronda Rousey....it's a stretch. The Hardyz will probably be in a match for the tag-team titles.

    These are all going to be highly touted matches. Where's Roman fit in? Strowman? Balor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    what's the importance of 'getting eyes on the young stars' for people who only watch mania if all they're gonna do is watch mania? hope they someone inspire that fan to watch every week?
    That's the idea. Maybe not that dramatic, but maybe that person tunes in at the next PPV to see what's up with someone that really caught their eye. I've had friends who showed up for a WrestleMania and got interested and started asking me questions about people they saw that they liked, and some who started watching weekly.

    I don't think it's worth making an outrage out of it, just something that I think would be nice to see more often. Which I'll admit I was mistaken in confusing the few years without for the current product where we get more of the young vs. old anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    'at the time.' so it had no lasting impact or sustained importance. and that's if you honestly want to say it was huge at the time, which i dont really agree with.
    Well Undertaker has only made a couple of special apoearances since plus Reigns' leukemia means they probably don't want to bring up the Taker shit now when fans were booing the shit out of him so circumstances have gotten in the way. However 3puppies did point out it was brought up in the Brock/Reigns feud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Well Undertaker has only made a couple of special apoearances since plus Reigns' leukemia means they probably don't want to bring up the Taker shit now when fans were booing the shit out of him so circumstances have gotten in the way. However 3puppies did point out it was brought up in the Brock/Reigns feud.
    they did the whole perceived retirement thing and then he's gone and wrestled outside of wrestlemania more than he has in years. it completely cuts the legs out of it.

    it's been two years since he beat him and it's hardly been mentioned even when you take away the last five months he's been away. it also was hardly mentioned in the brock feud. the fact it wasn't a focal point of the promos was one of the biggest criticisms at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    they did the whole perceived retirement thing and then he's gone and wrestled outside of wrestlemania more than he has in years. it completely cuts the legs out of it.

    it's been two years since he beat him and it's hardly been mentioned even when you take away the last five months he's been away. it also was hardly mentioned in the brock feud. the fact it wasn't a focal point of the promos was one of the biggest criticisms at the time.
    It was mentioned, but I think the primary focus was trying to make Reigns look sympathetic and they definitely failed badly on that one and I think that's the bigger crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    It was mentioned, but I think the primary focus was trying to make Reigns look sympathetic and they definitely failed badly on that one and I think that's the bigger crime.
    yes, i know it was mentioned. my whole point is that a mention isnt all that great when compared to how internet wrestling fans always try to portray the 'use old guys to get new guys over' concept as the be all, end all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    yes, i know it was mentioned. my whole point is that a mention isnt all that great when compared to how internet wrestling fans always try to portray the 'use old guys to get new guys over' concept as the be all, end all.
    Fair enough.

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    Legitimate questions regarding a main page article:

    Who the heck is Lilly Singh?
    Carson Daly is still around? I haven't heard of him since like 2001

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    Doofus on the main page thought she works for WWE and is a member of the broadcast team. She does not and never has. I believe she's a youtuber and maybe has a Netflix show and wrote a book and stuff. She's a fan and has appeared a few times as a fan so I don't know why he thought she was an employee unless he's ignorant and got her confused with someone like Kayla Braxton...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Doofus on the main page thought she works for WWE and is a member of the broadcast team. She does not and never has. I believe she's a youtuber and maybe has a Netflix show and wrote a book and stuff. She's a fan and has appeared a few times as a fan so I don't know why he thought she was an employee unless he's ignorant and got her confused with someone like Kayla Braxton...
    To be fair, WWE doesn’t do a great job of distinguishing their backstage bimbos from each other. I don’t know the names of half of them, either.

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    I was wondering what the dude was talking about too. I gots no idea who she is.

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    I find Raw such a drag that I actually read the results before deciding to watch but Smackdown so easily watchable now. Nothing really to do with 2 hours vs 3 hours but just that the content on Smackdown again Raw jow is just so much more watchable. Smackdown gives everyone an opportunity to shine while Raw is just so formulaic now.

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    Whoever does the wrestler birthday's articles on the main page frequently gets their ages wrong. If Samoa Joe is born on March 17, 1979, he is 40 years old, not 39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Whoever does the wrestler birthday's articles on the main page frequently gets their ages wrong. If Samoa Joe is born on March 17, 1979, he is 40 years old, not 39.

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    Happy that AJ Styles is reported to have resigned with WWE. Second best in the world, we could use him!

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    Who is first, CM Punk?

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    Nah he's the Worst In The World.

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    I'd like to wish EC3 a happy birthday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damien View Post
    I'd like to wish EC3 a happy birthday.
    I'd like to wish EC3 a push and some kind of title run.

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    Saw him lose to Tyler Breeze on Main Event at the weekend.

    So, why was he even brought up?

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    To be fair, Tyler Breeze > EC3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    To be fair, Tyler Breeze > EC3
    ^ Fact.

    I like EC3, but he's only somewhat interesting until he steps into the ring. His matches are boring and his moveset is bland as frick.

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    Hypothetical: If Renee were to leave (eventually) with Ambrose, how would you feel if Beth Phoenix took her place?

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    Sure.

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    Not great, I'm not a fan of female commentators but then again I'm not a fan of any of the current commentators.

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    I wouldn't mind Beth on the commentary table.

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    How can anyone not be a fan of Nigel mcguinness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Hypothetical: If Renee were to leave (eventually) with Ambrose, how would you feel if Beth Phoenix took her place?
    she cant be much worse than renee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    How can anyone not be a fan of Nigel mcguinness?
    I am, he does great work.

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    Beth hasn't really impressed me on commentary but she's ok-ish. Has a bit of a mom voice, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Beth hasn't really impressed me on commentary but she's ok-ish. Has a bit of a mom voice, though.
    She is a mom to be fair

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    I kept reading the headline "WWE to move Global Headquarters" on several different news sites but didn't give it a passing thought as I'm sure most others didnt.

    I mean who gives a fuck about whatever they consider to be their "global headquarters" right? Like I give a fuck about the one floor office space in god knows what city where they keep their overseas accounting books.

    Then I finally read one of the articles and it turns out that by "Global Headquarters" they actually mean Titan Towers in Stanford. The fucking main office building they've been in basically my entire life.

    Sure they're just moving across the street but I don't give a fuck. That building is historic and I find it kind of sad to know that it's going to belong to someone else soon.

    Anyway I guess we finally know where a chunk of that 2 Billion in tv deal money is going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    I kept reading the headline "WWE to move Global Headquarters" on several different news sites but didn't give it a passing thought as I'm sure most others didnt.

    I mean who gives a fuck about whatever they consider to be their "global headquarters" right? Like I give a fuck about the one floor office space in god knows what city where they keep their overseas accounting books.

    Then I finally read one of the articles and it turns out that by "Global Headquarters" they actually mean Titan Towers in Stanford. The fucking main office building they've been in basically my entire life.

    Sure they're just moving across the street but I don't give a fuck. That building is historic and I find it kind of sad to know that it's going to belong to someone else soon.

    Anyway I guess we finally know where a chunk of that 2 Billion in tv deal money is going.
    If you want to start a pool, we can maybe gather enough money from rajahites and turn the former WWE headquarters into the Rajah headquarters.

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    Last night, seemingly while enjoying a few too many beers, Eric Bischoff decided to pop off on Jim Cornetter out of nowhere.

    He probably regrets his choices this morning.

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    Saw bits of that, Corney basically called Bisch a pill head or something in response and accused him of turning u pissed to his own show right?

    Any other juicy stuff to come out of it?

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    The name-shortening monster has returned. He is no longer Mustafa Ali. He is just Ali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    The name-shortening monster has returned. He is no longer Mustafa Ali. He is just Ali.
    FFS.

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    Odd choice there.

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    Dumb. All the wrestlers are just normal folk nowadays, makes no sense for them not to have normal names.

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    Not sure if I want to watch wrestling if everyone doesn't have porn names.

    What fun is it to watch Roger Bachman vs Nathan Spirochek? Or Tom Niddleson vs Samuel P. Cantrell?

    Give me Duke Sterno vs Blayne Boomstick any old day.

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    I hate how everyone now is “The nickname” Firstname Lastnwme. I miss names like “the regurgitator” and “the Cleveland steamer”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    I hate how everyone now is “The nickname” Firstname Lastnwme. I miss names like “the regurgitator” and “the Cleveland steamer”.
    When Sid Vicious wrestled in the UWF - the 90's version that sucked and had two pay-per-views, falsely advertised Curt Hennig despite Curt working for WCW at the time, and having its "biggest show of the year" held in a parking lot and being preempted for 90 minutes by a Baseball game - not the cool Bill Watts one, Sid worked under the name "Malicious" Sid Vicious in a surprisingly good match against Dr. Death Steve Williams.

    Just an aside, because I loved "Malicious" as Sid's nickname.

    Oh, and incidentally, the UWF wanted to build their next pay-per-view (that never happened) around a potential Skyscrapers vs. Miracle Violence Connection match. As Danny Spivey interfered in the Sid/Doc match and Doc was supposed to bring in Terry Gordy as his partner. A Terry Gordy who would, shortly thereafter, go into a coma and not wrestle until a couple shots in ECW and his Executioner run in the WWF.

    Fun fact.

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    Malicious is pretty cool, but Sycho Sid was just a bad ass name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    The name-shortening monster has returned. He is no longer Mustafa Ali. He is just Ali.
    I am just now seeing this. Are you fucking kidding me?

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    @Psycho666Soldier, it'd be like calling you just plain Soldier

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    The name shortening is mainly about simplicity and marketing. But yeah Sycho Sid was a great name.

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    If I were going to shorten Ali's name, I'd probably have went with the first name over the last name. Mustafa feels like it stands better on its own to me, plus as he pointed out on Twitter, it has meaning ("chosen from among the people").

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    It's just another example of the WWE being weird. You watch, they'll go back to how it was in the mid-late 90's where you had to have at least 3-4 names like Hunter Hearst Helmsley, "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, "Wildman" Marc Mero

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    It's not worth a thread but I'm curious of everyone's guess. Nakamura had momentum by winning the Rumble last year and then slowly fell off the cliff. The same has happened for Asuka.

    Who has gotten hot, built momentum, or someone the crowd is interested in over the last 3-4 months and will be absolutely in limbo this time next year?

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    Kofi Kingston

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    It's not worth a thread but I'm curious of everyone's guess. Nakamura had momentum by winning the Rumble last year and then slowly fell off the cliff. The same has happened for Asuka.

    Who has gotten hot, built momentum, or someone the crowd is interested in over the last 3-4 months and will be absolutely in limbo this time next year?
    Donald's got it with Kofi.

    I'm going to take it one step further and say Becky Lynch. Look @ Daniel Bryan. As soon as he won @ WM 30 what did they do? Put him in a feud with midcard job version of Kane. Kane was so far removed from World title contention you could have brought in David Arquette for an equally credible feud lol.

    I feel like Becky, who was always kind of the black sheep of the 4 Horsewomen to begin with, won't have really anywhere to go but down. I mean, imo, she has to tap Ronda. She has to. Tapping out Charlotte doesn't mean shit in this story. I could see her pinning Ronda with some small package roll up bullshit finish but IMHO, Ronda isn't coming back to any REAL combat sport so she can take the sub if need be. But then what for Becky?

    Unless they turn Asuka heel everything else will feel like someone getting forced into a feud with Becky to elevate that other person whether that's Lacey Evans or bringing Naomi over to Raw. Another Bliss feud? Yeah I don't know, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post

    I feel like Becky, who was always kind of the black sheep of the 4 Horsewomen to begin with, won't have really anywhere to go but down. I mean, imo, she has to tap Ronda. She has to. Tapping out Charlotte doesn't mean shit in this story. I could see her pinning Ronda with some small package roll up bullshit finish but IMHO, Ronda isn't coming back to any REAL combat sport so she can take the sub if need be. But then what for Becky?

    Unless they turn Asuka heel everything else will feel like someone getting forced into a feud with Becky to elevate that other person whether that's Lacey Evans or bringing Naomi over to Raw. Another Bliss feud? Yeah I don't know, maybe?
    Baszler.

    Part of WWE’s issue is that they clearly have zero qualms beating their champions on regular TV and use it as a trope to build to a match. That hurts when you’re trying to establish credibility for your champion.
    Last edited by BGMaverick; March 27th, 2019 at 3:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Baszler.

    Part of WWE’s issue is that they clearly have zero qualms beating their champions on regular TV and use it as a trope to build to a match. That hurts when you’re trying to establish credibility for your champion.
    I can appreciate her character, but if they did that what a step in the wrong direction.

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    I never understood having the champion lose. Everytime they say "But it's not for the title", you know the champion is going to lose. What a fucking bizarre concept. They'll put The Revival vs. Ricoster with the stipulation if Ricoster wins they get a shot at the tag team titles. It's stupid. If you beat the champions, you should be champions. If you want to have a chance at a title, you should face another team and equal standing to you. So do something like Ricoster vs. Roodle. The winner of that match faces the Revival for the titles. Meanwhile you have the Revival fight enhancement talent like Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins to keep them sharp.


    And championship matches on RAW or Smackdown that are not advertised for a couple of weeks prior is just dumb. Charlotte vs. Asuka is a good matchup that deserves a buildup.

    Also, I think I've seen more gauntlet matches in the past year than I have in my entire life. Stop it!

    And goddamn it Brock I love you and want you to beat Seth Rollins but please when you do, say you're bored of WWE life and relinquish the title.

    Thanks.

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    I don't remember back in the day seeing Warrior do a random job in a non-title match to build up Dino Bravo or Rick Rude. I mean maybe they did but shit when you go back and look, champs didn't lose unless it was by DQ/Countout and it was usually a heel walking out on the match or something like that.

    Shit the last 20+ years, other than probably Lesnar, Cena, and Triple H, I can't think of too many truly STRONG champions. Even Austin lost quite a bit.

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    Our website is promoting a wrestling event. Pretty rad, honestly.



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    Dude that's super cool.

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    Here is a pic of Alexa Bliss's's new hair.






    I could give a shit about the color. What interests me is the weird tiny baby hand that seems to be stroking her hair. What the fuck is that?

    Also her eyebrows make her look like a vulcan.

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