The VIP Thread

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I'm on my own personal Corona-cation so I've been devouring some random, old wrestling on the Youtubes.

This match is a fantastic time capsule for wrestling.

- Blitzkrieg - The Canadian "luchador", who seemingly materialized in WCW out of thin air, who had a ton of talent and ability - Who only wrestled long enough to make enough money to put himself through computer programming school, and who quit the business like a year after this.

- An unmasked Rey Mysterio, wearing more denim than a pair of Jeans wearing another pair of Jeans. With the "Slim Shady" haircut that used to be "cool".

- The Filthy Animals before Torrie Wilson joined. When Torrie used to accompany Rey to the ring, she looked like the hot soccer mom taking her kid to play in the park.

[Badger]

Nothing to do with Romford’s earlier rant, but Becky has become one of the most obnoxious faces of all time. There’s being tough and defiant but also being obnoxious and arrogant. Done with the Becky reign.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

'Nother fun match, from a big 'ol patch of 'member berries.

- Remember Chris Adams? "Gentleman" Chris Adams might have been one of the more underrated talents on WCW's bloated roster. He had to suffer the indignity of a feud with Glacier over who had the best kick.

- Remember wife-beater and long-haired Kidman? Before he cut his hair, started wearing regular trunks, and put on a bunch of store bought muscle, William Kiddle Man (his real name), could fucking go. He was the token white guy in his division, until Evan Courageous/Karageous/Karagis/Karajus/Coure-A-Geis/Karajis debuted to botch everything he tried and then try to bang Madusa.

- Kidman used a Flying Elbow drop as the finish for two reasons; One - This might have been after he almost killed William Regal with the Shooting Star Press and Two - Kidman had a segment on an episode of Nitro where Randy Savage killed him and gave him flying elbow drops until he suffered "internal injuries". So this might be Kidman "sending a message" to Randy Savage.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

One of the nicer things about the bloated WCW roster were the random "dream matches" that only happened once and then never again.

Case in point; Randy "Macho Man" Savage vs. The Ultimo Dragon.

Its only 5 minutes, but Savage gives Dragon quite a bit, bumps around for him, and then shuts him down and beats him clean. Its wild stuff. Savage was always one of the more "giving" veterans in his time in WCW. Compared to him, Dragon is a legend in Japan, but in WCW he's a nobody. He could have planted Dragon like a tent stake in two minutes and been done with it. Instead, he made him look damn good.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Hey look, its a TNA Dream Match! Elix Skipper- best known for tight-rope walking the top of TNA's famously flimsy and unsafe looking Six-Sides Of Steel Cage, while teaming with Christopher Daniels, to nail James Storm with a flying headscissors. And then he joined up with Simon Diamond. Yay?

And Elix "I Live On In Impact Wrestling Highlight Packages Until The Sun Burns Out" Skipper is taking on John Hugger- who might have the worst name in wrestling history. How can you be intimidated by a guy named "Hugger"? He just wants a hug. He's less of a Hugger than babyface Bayley, but only by a little. Hugger is the future Johnny "The Bull" Stamboli - the guy who had his WCW "highlight" when he literally broke his ass on Nitro, doing a springboard flying leg-drop on Terry Funk, on the floor. Even though he hit the move, Funker's face wasn't enough to cushion the blow.

Oh, and Stamboli and Bradshaw were the first two wrestlers to directly interact with Eric Bischoff on RAW, after Bischoff was announced as RAW's GM. Stamboli was a splotch on the floor.

Oh, and in TNA Stamboli was Rellik. Did you know that Rellik is "killer" spelled backwards?

[Nash Diesel]

I always appreciated Johnny the Bull's balance. The WWE's FBI stable wasn't terrible either, fit right in the midcard.

And I have to agree...WCW had such a huge roster that you would get these random matches that 20 years later and you look back wondering how some of this shit happened. Like Savage v. Ultimo Dragon. Or even something like Goldberg v. Mortis.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Sort of funny how it took a wrestling company, at least a major wrestling company, three years to get a Bart Gunn/Doctor Death match on a major TV show. And even then, it was in Japan.

I know Bart knocking out Doc made him persona non grata in WWF, chiefly because the Head of Talent Relations happened to be Doc's best buddy. But Bart had an upside. Even if Butterbean punched him so hard his headless corpse later had to be reanimated in Japan, he and Doc had a pretty solid match here.

That back-suplex Doc gave Bart on the floor, where Bart felt it appropriate to take it all on the guard rail, while trying to use his head and face (and nothing else) to cushion the blow, felt... gratuitous... at best.

It was like Bart suddenly decided he really missed the comforting feeling of Butterbean's toaster-sized fist liquefying his brain into a fine soup, so he decided to try to replicate the feeling.

And then he kicked out of Doc's big finish.

And then Doc killed him with a top rope belly-to-belly suplex, and like three more of those crazy head-droppy back-suplexes.

Does it get anymore "Japan" than that?

[Chris Scott]

I miss D’Lo Brown and Test

[Ringo]

Why did Regal call Umaga ‘Umanga’? Was that every explained?

Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure he was actually the only one saying it right initially. Then he kind of just ran with it. NZ Rugby Legend (with Samoan parentage) Tana Umaga is pronounced (OO-MANGA).

(/ˈtɑːnə ˈuːmʌŋə/; Samoan: [ˈtana ˈuːmaŋa]

[Murphy]

Cheers Ringo. Good to know.

[Nash Diesel]

I miss D’Lo Brown and Test

Remember when they won that battle royal at Mania 15 to challenge Owen and Jarrett? SUPER WEIRD.

D-Lo is one of if not the most slept on WWF/E talent in the last 38 years. One of the best characters to use in the N64 games as well.

[mth]

Was really disappointed when D-lo came back for that cup of coffee nothing run where I think he beat Santino in a match and then that was that.

[Chris Scott]

Remember when they won that battle royal at Mania 15 to challenge Owen and Jarrett? SUPER WEIRD.

D-Lo is one of if not the most slept on WWF/E talent in the last 38 years. One of the best characters to use in the N64 games as well.

Yeah was a random put team together but I was made up since I loved them both.

D’Lo was definitely one of the most slept on talent.

[Nash Diesel]

Was really disappointed when D-lo came back for that cup of coffee nothing run where I think he beat Santino in a match and then that was that.

Did you ever get to see his work in TNA? I have the 1st best of AJ Styles DVD that they released and there's a sweet ladder match with D-Lo v. AJ Styles.

I too was very excited when he returned, he looked good and was only like 35-36 at the time so he wasn't an old man that couldn't work. But yeah, next thing you know you MAYBE saw him do the job on Velocity to Frankie Kazarian or some random shit like that.

Yeah was a random put team together but I was made up since I loved them both.

D’Lo was definitely one of the most slept on talent.

Yes sir. And I'm not saying he was slept on in the sense that he should have been a main eventer with Austin but it's really me saying that too many fans sleep on him. He was the Christian of his era. A lot of wrestlers put over Christian as one of the best workers ever even though his resume doesn't exactly reflect that in a make believe sport. But D-Lo was that guy that you could put him in with Austin one night and Golga the next night and it would be worth the watch.

[mth]

D-lo appreciation thread going on right here. I think you better recognize. :headwaggle: (Fun Fact: D-lo and I have the same birthday, Oct. 22)

[Chris Scott]

Was really disappointed when D-lo came back for that cup of coffee nothing run where I think he beat Santino in a match and then that was that.

Yeah was gone 5 months later, what was the point of him
coming back.

[Chris Scott]

Did you ever get to see his work in TNA? I have the 1st best of AJ Styles DVD that they released and there's a sweet ladder match with D-Lo v. AJ Styles.

I too was very excited when he returned, he looked good and was only like 35-36 at the time so he wasn't an old man that couldn't work. But yeah, next thing you know you MAYBE saw him do the job on Velocity to Frankie Kazarian or some random shit like that.



Yes sir. And I'm not saying he was slept on in the sense that he should have been a main eventer with Austin but it's really me saying that too many fans sleep on him. He was the Christian of his era. A lot of wrestlers put over Christian as one of the best workers ever even though his resume doesn't exactly reflect that in a make believe sport. But D-Lo was that guy that you could put him in with Austin one night and Golga the next night and it would be worth the watch.

Actually couldn’t have said it better with the Christian stuff.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah was gone 5 months later, what was the point of him
coming back.

I think the idea was that, with so many OVW guys coming up at the same time and not a lot of full time legends, that D-Lo was going to be like what you see today with John Morrison, Shelton Benjamin, etc. A guy from a recent era who can still go that doesn't look like shit and will be able to teach these kids something. I know he went on to be an agent for TNA for a long time with Al Snow. I wouldn't be shocked if D-Lo makes his way to some behind the scenes with WWE.

[Randolph]

...she said last time, "we're stuck in a time loop".

That pisses me off because that's what...

[Chris Scott]

Yeah funny you have comparisons with Shelton Benjamin because that’s another person massively slept on and getting misused since coming back.

[3puppies]

D'lo was a decent hand, but he was never destined to be more than a jobber to the stars. Shelton Benjamin had a couple more entertaining moments, as part of WGTT, and especially with his Momma, but it was clear he was never gonna get a sustained push. They brought him back for two reason - to help reinforce Brock's heel dominance, and to try to solidify Drew's face status. He did great on both counts, but he can't really be used again at that level. I would have liked to see him mix it up with Cedric Alexander, or maybe the Street Profits, as he could teach them a few things.

[Murphy]

I always thought D'Lo was going to be the man.

Do you think he was doomed after the Droz accident?

As for Shelton, no charisma. Couldn't talk. Was never going to get much further up the card than where he was in 2004/5.

[Badger]

I always thought D'Lo was going to be the man.

Do you think he was doomed after the Droz accident?

As for Shelton, no charisma. Couldn't talk. Was never going to get much further up the card than where he was in 2004/5.

Don’t let Chris Scott hear you say that about Shelton!

As for D-Lo, no I don’t think he was doomed. There was a bigger glass ceiling back than there is now, he was always going to be midcard but he made the best of it.

The Lo-Down team with Tiger Ali Singh though....ugh!

[Murphy]

Didn't he team with Mosh, too?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Didn't he team with Mosh, too?

That was Lo-Down. Mosh and D'Lo, when Thrasher was injured. Managed by Tiger Ali Singh.

[Murphy]

Oh God.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Oh God.

Tiger Ali Singh was always awful and the gimmick was fairly racially insensitive. But bell-to-bell, they were a pretty talented team.

[Badger]

Oh God.

Wanna see how bad they looked?

[Murphy]

I remember Tiger Ali Singh at One Night Only, was it? One of those UK PPVs I was at. He announced himself as being from Canada, clearly expecting a pop, and was booed out of the building.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

They looked like fucking neon genies.

Like they all said "Hey, let's be genies!" but the only genie they'd ever seen was fucking Kazam.

[Murphy]

Wanna see how bad they looked?

Very vague recollections of that. They were mostly on Heat, right?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I remember Tiger Ali Singh at One Night Only, was it? One of those UK PPVs I was at. He announced himself as being from Canada, clearly expecting a pop, and was booed out of the building.

He was from Canada as a shoot.

Is he the worst second-generation wrestler of all time?

Is he worse than Manu?

[Murphy]

Manu was the chap who rubbed Orton the wrong way, wasn't he?

[Badger]

Very vague recollections of that. They were mostly on Heat, right?

Mostly Shotgun and Heat.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Manu was the chap who rubbed Orton the wrong way, wasn't he?

He was the one who was on some kind of illicit drugs, knew he was going to fail the drug test, and then got busted and fired for trying to fake his way through the test with a fake dong full of clean pee.

Jimmy Snuka's kid was the one who pissed off Undertaker by not catching him on that dive at Wrestlemania.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Mostly Shotgun and Heat.

They had kind of a one-night push against The New Age Outlaws on RAW, that Billy and Dogg both admitted in a shoot interview, they were too stoned to even care about. And they buried them on a promo and then ate them alive in the ring.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Lo-Down vs. The Dudley Boyz is pretty good proof that Lo-Down had some ups bell-to-bell.

Also, I love that move the Dudz do on their comeback. Bubba gets one of the guys up for an electric chair drop and D-Von negotiates him down into a neck-breaker. I don't remember them busting that one out very often.

[mth]

Lo-Down were pretty dope before they got paired with Tiger. Initially, they just rocked matching pants and did a great superlpex/Lo-Down double team finisher.

[Nash Diesel]

Don’t let Chris Scott hear you say that about Shelton!

As for D-Lo, no I don’t think he was doomed. There was a bigger glass ceiling back than there is now, he was always going to be midcard but he made the best of it.

The Lo-Down team with Tiger Ali Singh though....ugh!

Which in that time was just as awesome as being a top guy the last 15 years.

I was never a fan of Lo-Down. I couldn't shake Mosh as being anything but Headbanger Mosh and he looked goofy as fuck. I think this was the time where they were going to pair up Thrasher with the ICP. Poor Mosh, seriously from the start of his WWF career he was saddled with some pretty stupid fucking gimmicks with the Headbangers being the better of them all but still whack.

[Chris Scott]

Wanna see how bad they looked?

OH GOD

DELETE DELETE

[Chris Scott]

I always thought D'Lo was going to be the man.

Do you think he was doomed after the Droz accident?

As for Shelton, no charisma. Couldn't talk. Was never going to get much further up the card than where he was in 2004/5.

His Gold Standard promos were actually quite good, should’ve give him more to run with.

As for this run they’ve give him nothing. I’d actually have him team up with Mia Yim and let them do their stuff in NXT for a year.

[Nash Diesel]

His Gold Standard promos were actually quite good, should’ve give him more to run with.

As for this run they’ve give him nothing. I’d actually have him team up with Mia Yim and let them do their stuff in NXT for a year.

I thought him with Elijah Burke as the mouthpiece on ECW (I think?) was pretty slick. Shelton coming out looking like UFC's Kevin Randelman.

Shelton was also the first guy, imo, to be one to carry a midcard title for 8-9 months barely defending it and no real storylines. So before there was MVP or Dean Ambrose holding the US title for 9-10 months with defending it maybe twice on tv/ppv, you had Shelton as IC and US champion forever and never really doing anything with the belt.

But I will say this, that stretch where the IC division was Shelton, John Morrison, RVD, Carlito, and Jeff Hardy was some really good shit.

[Chris Scott]

Oh forgot about his stuff with Burke.

His match with RVD for the IC title was quality.

[Ringo]

I've never really been the biggest Shelton Benjamin fan but I've watched a few shows from the 2004-2006 era lately and his matches do tend to stand out. Makes me nostalgic for that era. Whilst there wasn't a lot of stuff that set the world on fire it was at least a consistently solid product. When I got back into wrestling in early 2005 he was everyone's favourite midcarder and most people saw him getting to the top sooner or later. He wowed everyone in those Money in the Bank matches for a number of years in a row. I do think the Gold Standard period was his best, it's a shame it never really got much further than ECW.

[Chris Scott]

Yeah I remember our debates back and fourth about him Ringo. But what you said is spot on there.

[Chris Scott]

Just watching the 10 biggest matches in Wrestlemania history on the network and not being biased cos it was in Miami and I was there but Rock/Cena from 28 was actually very very good.

[Badger]

Wilfred’s final, please take the time to read and vote. Rusty and Nash have worked very hard.

[Peter Griffin]

Undertaker replying to Jericho on twitter about his use of assclown on Raw. What a time to be alive.

[Murphy]

My wife is doing a Zoom yoga session tonight, followed by gin. I may stick Raw on then if it's up on the BT App.

[Peter Griffin]

Or do the yoga

[Murphy]

[Peter Griffin]

I wasn't slagging the show I just think you would enjoy the yoga.

[Donald]

As long as it's not DDP Yoga.

[Murphy]

I wasn't slagging the show I just think you would enjoy the yoga.

Ah, ok.

I have actually said to the Mrs that I'd like to give it a try. She can teach me. She's just qualified as a Children's Yoga teacher, so I'm sure she could teach me just fine.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I'm not high on yoga for the actually "working out" bit, but this incredible babe came across my Youtube recommendations one day, and I've been "coming across" her every now and then, ever since.





- - - Updated - - -

Anyway, yeah, right now a yoga workout is probably more fun than an empty gym RAW or Smackdown!.

Hell, grouting your shower is probably more fun than anything WWE is doing right now.

[BigAl]

The Mrs. and I just signed up for a trial of DDP Yoga last night. Looking forward to trying it. We both hope it can become a regular night time routine for us once the kiddos are in bed and we have a half hour or so to ourselves. She hopes it it'll help her deal with the stress of being home with two kids all day plus help her lose the baby weight.

[Donald]

Unless DDP Yoga gives you the ability to wrestle in a PPV main event that gets cut off, stalk the Undertaker's wife, and wrestle in your 60s in a second rate promotion, count me out of DDP Yoga.

[mth]

Hogan with a full beard gone grey might actually be a good look. He ought to rock it.

[Murphy]

At first glance, I thought that was David Ginola.

[BigAl]

Unless DDP Yoga gives you the ability to wrestle in a PPV main event that gets cut off, stalk the Undertaker's wife, and wrestle in your 60s in a second rate promotion, count me out of DDP Yoga.

Have to pay extra for that.

[Peter Griffin]

At first glance, I thought that was David Ginola.

Looks like Randy Savage circa 2010.

[Donald]

Looking sexy Hogan

[Donald]

Do they have weeks worth of RAWs and Smackdowns taped? I was thinking, if they can't tape anything, why not just put up old episodes of the shows? Shows with insane moments, like the beer truck, ring collapsing, DX debut, etc. For RAW, you could show three old school RAW episodes in the 3 hours. Advertise it like "Three episodes of RAW to air tonight, see this and much more on the WWE Network!"

Just halt storylines after WrestleMania. When it's safe to go back out in the world, then restart everything. Heck, reset everything.

[mth]

They taped up to the April 6th RAW after Mania.

[BigAl]

Brody Lee was Jericho's guest on TIJ this week. Great interview. Never heard his real voice before and it's nothing like what I would have expected.

[Donald]

Did he compalin about how he never got his shot in WWE?

[BigAl]

Did he compalin about how he never got his shot in WWE?

Not so much about how he never got his shot, but he did mention how Vince never listened to any of his ideas or his input.

[Rancid_Planet]

Not so much about how he never got his shot, but he did mention how Vince never listened to any of his ideas or his input.

To be faiiirrrr...

I don't think I could take a guy seriously either if he was sitting across the desk from me looking like Bruiser Brody and the Brooklyn Brawler had a baby.

[Psycho666Soldier]

To be faiiirrrr...

I don't think I could take a guy seriously either if he was sitting across the desk from me looking like Bruiser Brody and the Brooklyn Brawler had a baby.

I would be scared to NOT take him seriously.

[Badger]

He probably only listens to the ideas of the top talent. If you're midcard or lower, he ain't listening and will give you whatever.

[Donald]

I think Harper's shortcoming was he was injured an awful lot.

[Badger]

I think Harper's shortcoming was he was injured an awful lot.

Also his age was a factor I think and he wasn't exactly professional as whinged on social media about wanting a release instead of just keeping his mout shut.

[BigAl]

He actually got into why he put that on social media. He said he was trying to prevent them from controlling the narrative about his release.

He said he ended up taking less money to go to AEW so he can at least try to be happy.

[Badger]

He actually got into why he put that on social media. He said he was trying to prevent them from controlling the narrative about his release.

He said he ended up taking less money to go to AEW so he can at least try to be happy.

Fair enough.

I still think they need to filter better what the talent put on there though. Just about every job has some sort of IT/social media policy that limits what work-related stuff can be said. Using social media to promote feuds fair enough but keep the behind-the-scenes backstage stuff out though.

[3puppies]

I thought I had heard that if they control the social media, then talent could challenge their "independent contractor" status, which is already a joke, but it's saving WWE a lotta dough.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Also his age was a factor I think and he wasn't exactly professional as whinged on social media about wanting a release instead of just keeping his mout shut.

He didn't really do that until he was basically released. He played along until then.

[Peter Griffin]

He didn't really do that until he was basically released. He played along until then.

Well that was before his brief final run I'm pretty sure

[Badger]

Well that was before his brief final run I'm pretty sure

Yeah he came back some time later to team with Rowan then he was gone for good.

[3puppies]

It just dawned on me that Rowan reminds me of Albert. A huge, powerful man, who seems fairly content to be stuck in a midcard tag team with someone who didn't want to be in the midcard. Rowan had Harper, Albert had a few like Droz, Scotty2Hotty, Test, Brodus Clay. In order to hang around, both are more than willing to take on a stupid gimmick. And both guys sell pretty well for a big hoss.

[Ringo]

Rowan is solid.

[Badger]

Still puzzles me a bit why they favoured Rowan over Harper even when the latter was healthy. Harper was the far superior worker and they're probably about even on the mic.

[Murphy]

To me, it wasn't even close.

[Badger]

To me, it wasn't even close.

As in you think Rowan or Harper was better on the mic?

Rowan had the more mic time of the two but Harper could be just as creepy like with that creepy eye shit he did for a while.

[Murphy]

As in, not close as an in-ring talent goes. Harper is excellent. Rowan, meh.

I don't recall hearing either on the stick. I really haven't watched much WWE TV over the years, mostly just PPV.

[Badger]

As in, not close as an in-ring talent goes. Harper is excellent. Rowan, meh.

I don't recall hearing either on the stick. I really haven't watched much WWE TV over the years, mostly just PPV.

Gotcha

Rowan was passable in the ring in tag matches with Harper because he didn’t have to do as much so it was hidden more. In singles though he was exposed. For example he whiffed that spin kick he does half the time.

[Caito]

The Mrs. and I just signed up for a trial of DDP Yoga last night. Looking forward to trying it. We both hope it can become a regular night time routine for us once the kiddos are in bed and we have a half hour or so to ourselves. She hopes it it'll help her deal with the stress of being home with two kids all day plus help her lose the baby weight.

Unless DDP Yoga gives you the ability to wrestle in a PPV main event that gets cut off, stalk the Undertaker's wife, and wrestle in your 60s in a second rate promotion, count me out of DDP Yoga.

I know I’m a few pages late on this, but for whatever it’s worth...

When I was first getting into yoga, I ended up trying the DDP stuff. The foundation is pretty solid honestly, especially the beginners program. He does change some of the names of poses up, prob for those who are trying it because they know DDP the wrestler, but other than that, not a ton different than other yoga styles out there. Main focus of yoga is always going to be breathing, which he goes over. Main difference I see between his stuff and other things is he almost always puts an emphasis on contraction of muscles thru ought all the poses, which you don’t always get, (or usually depending on the style)

Helped me when I was starting out, and though I haven’t done DDPY in a while, and don’t do my normal practice as much as I should, it did help me start out and eventually I worked myself to a point to feel comfortable going to classes with actual human beings next to me.

[BigAl]

I know I’m a few pages late on this, but for whatever it’s worth...

When I was first getting into yoga, I ended up trying the DDP stuff. The foundation is pretty solid honestly, especially the beginners program. He does change some of the names of poses up, prob for those who are trying it because they know DDP the wrestler, but other than that, not a ton different than other yoga styles out there. Main focus of yoga is always going to be breathing, which he goes over. Main difference I see between his stuff and other things is he almost always puts an emphasis on contraction of muscles thru ought all the poses, which you don’t always get, (or usually depending on the style)

Helped me when I was starting out, and though I haven’t done DDPY in a while, and don’t do my normal practice as much as I should, it did help me start out and eventually I worked myself to a point to feel comfortable going to classes with actual human beings next to me.

Thanks dude! That's pretty much what we're looking for at this point. Just slowly getting into it when we have some time at home to do it. Eventually we'd both like to get confident enough to go do a class if and when the yoga studio in town reopens. Glad to hear you had a good experience with it!

[BGMaverick]

Here were the notes from Reddit on Lee's interview

In a funny way he gives a thank you to WWE for releasing him at the time they did because if they didn't his contract would have ended March 25th, which meant he couldn't have done a Rochester debut (even though it never ended up happening).

Tony Khan texted Brodie shortly before the show saying if he doesn't want to do it yet (presumably because the virus) he would've been happy to delay the debut

Funny quote from Jericho: "I returned in 2015 with the idea that I don't know when I can come back on TV, I'm just going to do house shows. Michael Hayes goes "Vince will never let you do that" and then I asked Vince and he said "Whatever you wanna do"

Arn Anderson was one of Harper's constant big supporters in production meetings

An idea that Luke (gonna refer to his WWE time as Luke Harper and AEW stuff as Brodie) came up with for his WWE character was he wanted to be a collector, as in he would collect things from everybody he beat, problem was he wasn't beating anybody. Another was he wanted to be a smart monster, compares to Bruiser Brody, where he would wrestle the same but speak very intelligently.

On the whole southern accent thing, one time he was in a meeting with Vince, Vince asked him to try a southern accent, Luke said it would sound fake, Vince said try anyway, Luke tried, Vince agreed it sounded bad.

On the botch with AJ Styles in the WWE Title #1 Contender Battle Royale, they were both meant to hit the floor at the same time and then have a proper match the next week, but what happened was Luke himself admits he messed up saying he slipped or something along those lines. The next week where AJ pinned him, the match got restarted, and then submitted by AJ, he feels where is downfall began.

He feels that if a promo in AEW doesn't come across well then that's his own fault, because in AEW you get almost total control over your own promo. Can't blame a writer.

When Harper first asked for his release, Jericho saw it and called Tony K and said they should try and get him.

An idea for Harper & Rowan as a tag team, before the Bludgeon Brothers, was to have them look like the tag team Demolition.

At one point in time Harper & Rowan got new gear, and Vince wanted to see what they looked like wearing it. They put it on and knocked on Vince's door, he yelled "Come in", they opened the door and he was getting his calves massaged by a WWE trainer. He looked up, saw them, said "Love it" and then put his head back down and kept getting the massage.

Some years ago, Jericho came up with a wild idea for Summerslam involving himself, the Wyatt Family, and Shawn Michaels. He went into Vince's office to pitch it, and then Vince started eating a steak while Chris was pitching it. At the end, Vince looked up and said "Bad cow. Steak is tough."

In the Bludgeon Brothers, Harper & Rowan had huge wooden mallets. They were about to take a trip to Saudi Arabia and Harper realized they wouldn't be able to check them in on the regular plane because they will be confiscated, so he mentioned it to Vince, and Vince took the mallets with him on his private jet.

There was a plan for him to be Sami Zayn's bodyguard on the SmackDown after Mania 2019 but it got canned only 2 days earlier.

Shortly after Luke asked for his release, and then Vince called him and they spoke on the phone for about 40 minutes just simply as humans, says Vince is a good person.

At one point Triple H asked Harper wanted he wanted to do, including if he want to go to New Japan, Harper said yes, and HHH said he'll see what he can do (obviously didn't work). He was given contract offers to sign a new contract right up to the day he was released, says the amount of money he was offered was "ungodly" (in a good way).

Brodie reveals that he has freedom to do New Japan and the independents.

Brodie wishes that a lot more people stayed quiet before big surprises, which is why he kept quiet everywhere before his debut. Says it was very different compared to Matt Hardy's tweets and videos

He says that the upcoming vignette that he will be doing this week on Dynamite (I believe he is talking about the one that was shown on the previous ep where he ate steak, I think this was recorded before the episode) will put a completely different spin on what everyone thinks he will do in the role.

Apparently Brodie on his Instagram has for a long time talked about someone called Larry, and nobody knew who he was talking about, but he clarifies that he was talking about a WWE trainer called Larry, was an inside joke between them.

As in, not close as an in-ring talent goes. Harper is excellent. Rowan, meh

I don't recall hearing either on the stick. I really haven't watched much WWE TV over the years, mostly just PPV.

Rowan is probably underrated in both categories (matches he had with Reigns and Black were good, promos weren't bad either) but it's clear that Harper was better than him in both.

[mth]

Rowan > Harper on the mic. Harper > Rowan in the ring but Rowan's underrated in that department.

[3puppies]

Rowan > Harper on the mic. Harper > Rowan in the ring but Rowan's underrated in that department.

Harper described it best on a podcast a while back. He said "I'm a pretend monster, Rowan is a monster for real" I'd agree with you for the balance of the time they were both in WWE. But when they first showed up on the scene, Rowan was so terrible on the mic they'd have Harper say one word "Run" to Rowan's none. And Harper got the early IC title run so he got to show a bit more of his ring work. His alligator roll was impressive but of course they overexposed it. Rowan got used as the guy who'd take the pin far too much, and his offense looks sloppy at times. And WWE never seems to comprehend things like how the quiet genius / Rubik's cube thing that was dropped for no apparent reason made it hard to care about Rowan. It's hard for guys to recover from stuff like that. I'd like to think they've learned from the damage they've done to guys like Rowan and Jinder, and maybe they finally have - with the Sexy Scotsman. His "rehabilitation" has been done very very well, so it's obviously possible.

[Jordo]

He probably only listens to the ideas of the top talent. If you're midcard or lower, he ain't listening and will give you whatever.

New day would like to have a word with you

[Badger]

New day would like to have a word with you

Vince did shoot down their original ideas for themselves though then gave them the preacher gimmick which could’ve been bad but they were talented enough to make it work and the rest of history.

[Sasori]

Well, this is random.

[Peter Griffin]

Alvarez is still a hypocritical cunt, Pass it on.

[Peter Griffin]

Context: Satin said something that obvs hit a nerve so Bryan said the harder you beg Vince for a job the less likely it is you get one.

Of course Bryan had to stop suckling at Tony Khan's teet for a minute to reply.

[Chris Scott]

Vince did shoot down their original ideas for themselves though then gave them the preacher gimmick which could’ve been bad but they were talented enough to make it work and the rest of history.

Haha their podcast listen about naming them was so funny but yes to much talent between the three of them it had to work.

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Well, this is random.

wtf

[Jordo]

Post moved to plague watching

[mth]

@Donald


Wouldn't mind seeing Snitsky pop up again in a Rumble or something...

[Donald]

That beard is all sorts of sexy. Like Strowman, I loved Snitsky the day I set eyes on him. You just think he's some jobber fighting Kane. Who knew what would become? The bald, yellow teeth Snitsky was a bit cringe worthy, but at least he was on TV regularly.

It wasn't my fault!

[mth]

His theme song when he switched to ECW was super dope.