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    Anything that seeks to get sympathy for pedophiles will be met with nothing but disgust from me.

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    His point wasn't about pedophilia the act. He vilified that. It was about the urge and it being something no one had any say in being a thing for anyone in the first place. He even mentioned those that have those shit urges and want help but have no real avenue.

    I find it easy to sympathize with that.

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    You can get help for pedophilia though so it's not really a valid comparison.

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    I'm not educated in all things pedo therapy or whatever, so if you for whatever reason then are fair enough. The point though is about the urges being out of one's control and how it's not a choice - the acting on it is, hence his description of those acts as vile and horrible etc - so much as it's just how someone is hardwired when they're born.

    I'm not sure if anyone wants to pay attention to the point or if latching onto 'compared pedo to gay' is all that's able to process. He didn't say being gay leads to being a pedo or they're on the same par at all morally. There wasn't even any depth whatsoever to the gay/pedo comparison past 'born that way'. And like I said earlier it is definitely guilty of being a clumsy comparison, but in no way was the intent or sentiment - the ol' wacky important part - to cast judgement of homosexuals on the character level of those who commit pedophilia.

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    Well I mean in this day and age no matter who you are, what side of politics you lean on putting pedophilia and homosexuality together in the same sentence is going to draw people out of the woodworks to attack you whether right or wrong. Granted, he wasn't super famous at the time but it just goes to show that if you have any bit of celebrity you will forever been under a fine toothed comb.

    As you said it's a very clumsy statement but it's one that could cost him dearly. If he's a known liberal he will probably have more wiggle room than he would if he was conservative.

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    But did he say anything legitimately terrible about anyone(s)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    But did he say anything legitimately terrible about anyone(s)?
    From what I seen he said women were inferior to men in sports and he can't stand having a woman on his team when he plays something like volleyball.thats not very nice

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    I frankly don't know how we let him live among us.

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    Just saw Shang-Chi and it was dope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    I frankly don't know how we let him live among us.
    It's pretty sus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Just saw Shang-Chi and it was dope.
    Great movie. The action scenes in the movie were fantastic. Some of the best in the MCU in my opinion.

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    Virm is a scholar on this subject apparently. Bert as well, who's just a younger version of Virm.

    Shang Chi was awesome. Saw it last Monday with my oldest son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Virm is a scholar on this subject apparently. Bert as well, who's just a younger version of Virm.

    Shang Chi was awesome. Saw it last Monday with my oldest son.
    Way not to know what the fuck you're talking about, per usual.

    Woodchipper go brrr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    Fuck me... why did I click that

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    Can we be more considerate and not drop unmarked spoilers into a thread? For anyone who hasnít clicked on it, itís the mid credits scene from Let There Be Carnage.

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    Good reaction video here regarding the latest release date changes. I love this YouTuber. Apols if I already expressed my adoration for her at some point (I can’t recall but I’ve been watching her videos for about 6 months now).

    No major spoilers but she does bring some insider information about what she’s hearing about these upcoming movies (including others like the next Indiana Jones), so there are some light rumor-based spoilers and information based on already released trailers.

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    Eternals only has 54% on RT. Not great. I still might see it in theaters if I have a night to fill, but maybe itís a wait-til-streaming flick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Virm is a scholar on this subject apparently. Bert as well, who's just a younger version of Virm.

    Shang Chi was awesome. Saw it last Monday with my oldest son.
    Here you go at @Caito.

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    Leave the political thread talk over there please.

    I'm excited to see Eternals on Saturday. Been reading a few comics to familiarize myself with the characters.

    Also, the Guardians of the Galaxy video game is a lot of fun. A bit more of the comic origins for the characters, but the soundtrack idea from the MCU makes fights feel epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    Leave the political thread talk over there please.

    I'm excited to see Eternals on Saturday. Been reading a few comics to familiarize myself with the characters.

    Also, the Guardians of the Galaxy video game is a lot of fun. A bit more of the comic origins for the characters, but the soundtrack idea from the MCU makes fights feel epic.
    Nah. It's the wild west on rajah again baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    Leave the political thread talk over there please.

    I'm excited to see Eternals on Saturday. Been reading a few comics to familiarize myself with the characters.

    Also, the Guardians of the Galaxy video game is a lot of fun. A bit more of the comic origins for the characters, but the soundtrack idea from the MCU makes fights feel epic.
    I keep seeing preview for the game and it's one of those where I wish there was a place I could RENT this game first. Looks dope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I keep seeing preview for the game and it's one of those where I wish there was a place I could RENT this game first. Looks dope.
    Gamefly.com still exists I think. They used to do free trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Gamefly.com still exists I think. They used to do free trials.
    I had gamefly when it first popped on, I think I rented Bioshock 2 and a few other games but the fucking wait for anything even remotely popular was usually a month. I would have 10 games in my cue and maybe get the #10 lol.

    I had PS Now but they don't ever put anything new on there that often and when they do it's some random indie bullshit. It'd be cool if you could bang out a demo real quick. That's one thing I miss about a job I had 20 years ago. Worked at a magazine fulfillment center and they had all the gaming mags that came with free demos. Hate to admit it but a lot of times I would snag the demo out of a back issue that was meant for replacements.

    So I apologize to anyone who ordered their PSM May issue that was lost and you only got the mag.

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    confirmation of more multiverse villains. with the apparent photo leaks over the last couple of weeks, it was very cool to see they didnt blow their load with unveiling the other spidermen with this trailer.

    this story seems pretty grim going off this trailer. the botched spell has allowed villains of the multiverse to cross over into the MCU, they seem to become aware of the fate of these villains from octavius, parker and strange seem to be at odds with how to address the situation, it almost seems like peter is trying to save EVERYONE, wonderful allusion to gwen at the end there with MJ falling, and strange being ominous and admitting to not being strong enough to stop others from coming through.

    this is gonna be nuts.

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    I like the redo of Electro’s costume here.

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    https://twitter.com/jchrstphr/status...GtC9F1oEA&s=19

    lizard seemingly jumping at nothing and then physically reacting as if he's being hit in the face...

    i imagine this scene is a big three on three battle.

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    Would be innnnsane if Green Goblin, Doc and Spidey tag together. Imagine.

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    also the statue of liberty getting a giant captain america shield is pretty interesting.

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    Little easter egg at 1:00 the license plate says ASM8183. Neato

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I saw Shang Chi and it was pretty solid. Probably middle of the pack for MCU origin movies. I think I preferred Black Widow slightly.
    I re-watched both Black Widow and Shang-Chi and on second take, Shang-Chi is for sure better IMO. I actually really loved Shang-Chi on second viewing and think it's great from start to finish. I can barely think of anything to nitpick. Shang-Chi himself isn't the strongest character, I mean he doesn't talk a whole lot or have any memorable dialogue. Whereas Tony Stark and Steve Rogers are very much driving their own origin stories, Shang-Chi would fit more into the category of "along for the ride" as all of the history and external forces of his family take place around him. I don't mind this necessarily, because the movie itself is great and is more focused on his father, but hopefully he gets some more individual shine in future movies. Awkafina as his sidekick/best friend does well to add character and humor to the movie. She was great in this. I also had no issues with the final act when they get to Ta Lo and there's all the magical creatures and whatnot. It wasn't mind blowing but it all came out pretty good IMO.

    Black Widow on the other hand went down a notch in my book on second viewing. I still like it, and the family dynamic is still sweet and funny and heart warming and sad and all that good stuff... but the floating villain base and the taskmaster and some of the plot devices are a little shaky. The opening scene and credit sequence is still chilling though! Love that.

    Shang Chi is around an 8 or 8.5 out of 10 and Black Widow is more like a 7.

    I haven't seen Eternals. Going to wait for Disney+ on that one. And I have successfully avoided all Spider Man trailers to date. Excited to go into that one fresh.

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    100% must see if you care enough to check this thread.

    Might have become my favourite MCU film.

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    No Way Home was everything.

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    No Way Home spoilers (very mild, more general review comment)

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    It was extremely enjoyable.

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    I loved NWH.

    Emotionally involving. Well balanced humor. I'm a Spiderman geek, but Mrs mazer, who has only passing knowledge of pre Holland Spiderman thought it was great as well.

    I'll see it again with my kids soon, but it's among my very favorite marvel movies.

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    I liked it but in all honesty I almost feel I liked the animated version better.

    Anywho, a lot was really well done. Some of it kind fell flat for me.


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    Did my best to avoid spoilers, and was glad I did. I went in hoping to be entertained, but I've been so busy I hadn't actually thought much about what I might expect. This was definitely the way to go - I am of course familiar with the characters but I haven't watched all the films multiple times over and over.

    Ned's grandma stole the show.

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    Loved the movie. So great. So many good things. I am ready to watch it again actually even though I will wait until it hits streaming.

    And yes Ned's grandma was fantastic

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    No Way Home was fantastic. So many scenes had me grinning from ear to ear. The final hour is just pure joy. The biggest strength of the film is how it subverts expectations. Even if you know certain things, how they play out still take you by surprise. Major spoilers below so don't read before watching.


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    Great write-up. Big co-sign on that one.

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    No Way Home was good. My main issue was the logic of the story of people being plucked out of their universes right before they die and would that really change when they go back?

    I want a new season of Daredevil.

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    No Way Home was fun. It was good fan service, but I have some issues with key plot points which Chris already touched on. It wasn't top tier MCU but it was enjoyable.


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    Morbius delayed til April 1st.

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    I went into the Spider-Man film today with nothing but expectations of pure fan service and nostalgia. I got to say that it was pure fun and I was not disappointed. All of the returning people knock it out of the park and it felt good to see some of my favorite characters again. This movie feels like a fever dream and I never could have expected it, especially after Spider-Man went to Disney. I have not really cared about the mcu continuity since end game, so none of that bothers me.

    Remember how you felt when Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair and all those guys returned to WWF back around 2002? That is how this movie felt for me and it felt nice, especially after such a rough year.

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    Just watched Eternals now that it dropped on D+. It was just ok. 6/10

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    I too just finished watching Eternals, and dudes, I friggin LOVED it. Holy shit, was I misled about the quality of this movie. This is the worst reviewed MCU movie? Are you kidding me? Consider this my first take, but I think it's the best of the 4 post-covid MCU movies so far, and probably top 10 MCU overall.

    Chloť Zhao you lovely lovely woman

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    Marvel is presenting at Comic Con today and tomorrow so more stuff might come out soon, but the latest news is that Disney filed trademarks for the following:

    "Avengers: Secret Wars"
    "Avengers: The Kang Dynasty"
    "Captain America: New World Order"
    "Multiverse Saga"
    "Thunderbolts"

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    I am all in on four of those. Thunderbolts is probably my least favorite thing in Marvel, because it always feels like a half ass Suicide Squad. Cap: NWO is probably going to back to the political thriller themes like in Winter Soldier which I love.

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    Phase 5 announced. Will start next year.

    Phase 4 finishes with She-Hulk and Black Panther 2

    Here is Phase 5

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    I’m having trouble linking it from my phone, but the Wakanda Forever trailer is awesome.

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    We are getting a lot of Daredevil that is the big news and the best news.

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    That Wakanda Forever trailer legit gave me goosebumps. Looks epic AF.

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    Omg that Wakanda Forever trailer tho. I’m gonna ugly cry in the theater.

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    That Angela Bassett line about giving enough after she lost her family got me. I don’t know how they’re going to address Boseman’s death but it’s going to hit hard. I’ll be bringing some tissues.

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    Overall I'm excited by the movie announcements. While the current state of the MCU is not as gripping as the Infinity Saga, it's nice to at least have an ending in sight. I've never been a big fan of the multiverse as a plot point, and when I read the summary of Secret Wars it all seems very complicated and abstract. That said, I can't wait to see how Feige pulls it off. It should be bonkers.

    Secret Invasion, meanwhile, is easily my most anticipated Disney+ show. I feel like that should be really good with Samuel L Jackson in the lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    I am all in on four of those. Thunderbolts is probably my least favorite thing in Marvel, because it always feels like a half ass Suicide Squad. Cap: NWO is probably going to back to the political thriller themes like in Winter Soldier which I love.
    the first run thunderbolts I really liked.

    The later runs I agree.

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    Wakanda Forever looks amazing.

    And pumped up for so many other projects here as well. I've always been a DareDevil fan.

    Hoping some of those phase 6 dates are Spiderman.

    I'm basically J Jonah at this point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    That Angela Bassett line about giving enough after she lost her family got me. I don’t know how they’re going to address Boseman’s death but it’s going to hit hard. I’ll be bringing some tissues.
    Can you win an Oscar just by the trailer...I think so.

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    I thought Black Panther was by far the most boring of the original slate of MCU movies. Between Thor: Ragnarok being a really good, exciting action-comedy that got the comedy right and Captain Marvel going heavy on the 90's nostalgia, I didn't have the patience for Black Panther. T'Challa was just kind of a boring "noble king" dude who had all the exciting personality of wet cardboard. The villains were kind of cool, but fell into the same old MCU trap of being "the hero, but evil".

    Namor looks cool as Hell and he should be a more compelling villain to face off with whatever the new version of Black Panther (his sister's taking up the mantle?) is.

    It sucks that Chadwick Boseman passed, but I never cared altogether too much for the character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    I thought Black Panther was by far the most boring of the original slate of MCU movies. Between Thor: Ragnarok being a really good, exciting action-comedy that got the comedy right and Captain Marvel going heavy on the 90's nostalgia, I didn't have the patience for Black Panther. T'Challa was just kind of a boring "noble king" dude who had all the exciting personality of wet cardboard. The villains were kind of cool, but fell into the same old MCU trap of being "the hero, but evil".

    Namor looks cool as Hell and he should be a more compelling villain to face off with whatever the new version of Black Panther (his sister's taking up the mantle?) is.

    It sucks that Chadwick Boseman passed, but I never cared altogether too much for the character.
    Black Panther was phenomenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    I thought Black Panther was by far the most boring of the original slate of MCU movies. Between Thor: Ragnarok being a really good, exciting action-comedy that got the comedy right and Captain Marvel going heavy on the 90's nostalgia, I didn't have the patience for Black Panther. T'Challa was just kind of a boring "noble king" dude who had all the exciting personality of wet cardboard. The villains were kind of cool, but fell into the same old MCU trap of being "the hero, but evil".

    Namor looks cool as Hell and he should be a more compelling villain to face off with whatever the new version of Black Panther (his sister's taking up the mantle?) is.

    It sucks that Chadwick Boseman passed, but I never cared altogether too much for the character.
    I don't agree it was "by far the most boring" but I agree with your criticisms for the most part. I rated Black Panther at an 8/10 which was equal to other origin movies like Ant Man and Captain Marvel, and just below the original Thor (which I find to be underrated). I thought it was firmly in that bunch, rather than one of the top tier MCU movies. So while I'm not a hater of it, I think it's fair to call it overrated given that it got so much critical acclaim and even got nominated for Best Picture.

    But yea, T'Challa was kind of boring. As you said, he was very regal and stoic, which is fine since that's his character - an African prince. But I get that other lead characters are more fun and witty. Captain America is in the same boat IMO - the vanilla good-boy. But they worked in more funny moments with Cap as the movies went along and I think they would have done the same with T'Challa.

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    Meh.

    Black Panther was cool because it was one of the better black superhero movies. The dude wasn't Superfly, didn't talk in Ebonics, wasn't a blaxsploitation character, wasn't meant to be comedic or funny, and was held up as being on-par with all the other white heroes. And that's cool.

    But it didn't make for a great movie as far as it went for me. Yeah, maybe we'd have gotten a Black Panther with more personality and sense of humor if Chadwick hadn't passed, but the version we did get was just a stoic, boring royal bore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I don't agree it was "by far the most boring" but I agree with your criticisms for the most part. I rated Black Panther at an 8/10 which was equal to other origin movies like Ant Man and Captain Marvel, and just below the original Thor (which I find to be underrated). I thought it was firmly in that bunch, rather than one of the top tier MCU movies. So while I'm not a hater of it, I think it's fair to call it overrated given that it got so much critical acclaim and even got nominated for Best Picture.

    But yea, T'Challa was kind of boring. As you said, he was very regal and stoic, which is fine since that's his character - an African prince. But I get that other lead characters are more fun and witty. Captain America is in the same boat IMO - the vanilla good-boy. But they worked in more funny moments with Cap as the movies went along and I think they would have done the same with T'Challa.
    I mean if someone is going to give a movie 8/10 while saying they agree it's overrated, that's confusing lol. Unless you are specifically saying you think it was overrated to be considered for an Oscar which imo fuck the Oscars most of those movies are boring, nobody goes to see them, and again, if you're giving a movie an 8/10 that's pretty fuckin good.

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    I don't think I've ever seen a superhero movie worthy of an Oscar.

    Even Heath Ledger as Joker back in the day, for all the critical acclaim it got, was just a guy dressed like a clown acting like an emo terrorist and blowing shit up while talking like Jigsaw from the SAW movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I mean if someone is going to give a movie 8/10 while saying they agree it's overrated, that's confusing lol. Unless you are specifically saying you think it was overrated to be considered for an Oscar which imo fuck the Oscars most of those movies are boring, nobody goes to see them, and again, if you're giving a movie an 8/10 that's pretty fuckin good.
    Yea I think it was pretty fuckin good, and I rank it as roughly the 10th to 12th best MCU movie (hard to rank them exactly). Given that it still has the highest Rotten Tomatoes score of all MCU movies, and was nominated for Best Picture, I think it's overrated. Not drastically overrated, but overrated.

    I'm glad it was nominated, though. I just think it's absurd that it got a nomination and Infinity War and Endgame didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Yea I think it was pretty fuckin good, and I rank it as roughly the 10th to 12th best MCU movie (hard to rank them exactly). Given that it still has the highest Rotten Tomatoes score of all MCU movies, and was nominated for Best Picture, I think it's overrated. Not drastically overrated, but overrated.

    I'm glad it was nominated, though. I just think it's absurd that it got a nomination and Infinity War and Endgame didn't.
    I agree but it's the Academy, look at the majority of movies they nominate. I'm blown away whenever we get anything remotely action related that isn't some boring ass war movie or something.

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    I really liked Black Panther, I'd say it rounds out my top 5 Marvel movies so far. It's a shame Chadwick is gone as I would have liked to have seen what they did with his version of the character.

    I think seeing Wakanda Forever in the theater will have more grown men crying than I saw at the end of Furious 7.

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    I think they would have made Chadwick the face of Marvel next to Tom and Benedict. It absolutely sucks he is gone, but I can almost guarantee him showing up in some of these Phase 4 as THE GUY. I would have loved to see a Black Panter/Miles team up on screen.

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    I know its a weird thing to speculate on, but I always thought Chadwick would've made a great replacement for Tom Cruise in the Mission: Impossible movies, when/if Tommy Boy ever got bored/too expensive/Scientology made him too crazy.

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    I can’t link the tweet but it’s confirmed that Deadpool 3 has Hugh returning as Wolverine for one last movie.

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    I'm hoping it's an elaborate troll.
    Loved him as Wolverine, he made the role his... but if they want to get any mileage out of the character in the MCU for years to come, get someone new. He had his proper send-off in 'Logan'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casselmm47 View Post
    I'm hoping it's an elaborate troll.
    Loved him as Wolverine, he made the role his... but if they want to get any mileage out of the character in the MCU for years to come, get someone new. He had his proper send-off in 'Logan'.
    Maybe Ryan Reynolds would troll people like that, but Kevin feige surely would not allow it, lest there be major unwanted backlash. So yea it’s real.

    I’m neither pumped nor pissed about this. It’s fine. Jackman is great, but the MCU is getting a little stale so bringing back a worn character doesn’t necessarily appeal to me. But ultimately this will come down to execution. And with Reynolds and the Deadpool franchise, I expect they’ll execute it very well so I’m excited for the movie. But bringing back jackman as a fan pleaser doesn’t really move the needle for me in either direction.

    I agree with you about Logan being a great send off.

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    New report on Blade

    • Mahershala Ali is frustrated with the process

    • Script is only 90 pages long

    • Features just two ‘lackluster’ action sequences

    • Kevin Feige is said to be ‘spread too thin’

    (via @theinsneider)
    4 movies a year (plus loads of Disney+ shows) is simply too much. They should go back to 3 movies per year and cut their D+ slate. Also X-Men should be its own separate film universe IMO.

    The oversaturation is real. I'm a big MCU guy and I haven't even watched Love and Thunder yet (though I plan to soon).

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    Hugh Jackman is the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the MCU. It will be a big deal, it will be cool, because he's the man. Not sure if this means he'll be Wolverine in the MCU or just Wolverine in this movie. I mean, is this the same Deadpool that was in Origins? I never understood that whole thing. Anyway.
    @Fro you need to watch Thor, fucking incredible.

    Not sure what to think about Blade. Could be total bullshit on some of it. Is a 90 page script a bad thing? I mean Johnny Depp requested his lines be extremely reduced in Scissorhands so maybe this is just a movie with minimal dialogue? Again IDK what the standard is. Probably hard to recreate such an iconic character. It's like trying to make the new Nirvana by calling them Nirvana but you have 3 completely different members that sort of look like Kurt, Krist, and Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casselmm47 View Post
    I'm hoping it's an elaborate troll.
    Loved him as Wolverine, he made the role his... but if they want to get any mileage out of the character in the MCU for years to come, get someone new. He had his proper send-off in 'Logan'.
    It's fan service st it's finest. Deadpool has already done time travel so it's really not that big of a deal. Either sit back and enjoy it or don't watch. It's not that complicated.

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    Oh and I buried the lead with Blade which is that the director Bassam Tariq just dropped out as shooting is supposed to get underway within the next couple months. I don't know that guy anyway so I'm not bothered by it, but it means there's some developmental struggles going on. Not ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    It's fan service st it's finest. Deadpool has already done time travel so it's really not that big of a deal. Either sit back and enjoy it or don't watch. It's not that complicated.
    Nobody is making anything complicated lol. A differing opinion might complicate your low IQ but let's be honest, you'll last another week before being banned. Again lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Nobody is making anything complicated lol. A differing opinion might complicate your low IQ but let's be honest, you'll last another week before being banned. Again lol.
    Can I get a link to your podcast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    Can I get a link to your podcast.
    https://www.podcastone.com/pd/Kliq-T...n-Nash-Podcast

    This will hold you over.

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    that is what I figured

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    I mean Logan took place in 2029 so if they set Deadpool III anytime before that, time travel isn't necessary right?

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    Personally I'm over Deadpool and Reynolds. Adding Wolverine doesn't do anything to change my disinterest. I'll watch it on streaming at most.

    Disappointed to hear about the rough road for Blade as I was pretty stoked about that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    I mean Logan took place in 2029 so if they set Deadpool III anytime before that, time travel isn't necessary right?
    Exactly. They say that Deadpool 1 and 2 take place before Days of Future Past which is set in 2023. So there's at least 6 years where we don't really know what happened leading up to Logan. As we know DP couldn't use really any recognizable X-Men characters but now it's a different story. So we could definitely get interaction between the two in some way for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Personally I'm over Deadpool and Reynolds. Adding Wolverine doesn't do anything to change my disinterest. I'll watch it on streaming at most.

    Disappointed to hear about the rough road for Blade as I was pretty stoked about that one.
    Oh no don't threaten with streaming the movie. You rebel!

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    Yeah, I'm not sure what the time travel//sit back and enjoy or don't watch bit is about. {shrug}
    Simply from a MCU entry POV, it goes against the conventional aspect of recasting and going with someone they can get more years out of. Stewart as Prof X in DS:MOM made sense due to the usage of the multiverse, and was essentially a cameo. Granted, Deadpool can use that narrative tool on top of the usual 4th wall breaking hijinks, but until more comes out about the prospective storyline, it seems a missed opportunity to 'start fresh' with a new Wolverine without the baggage of 25 years worth of Jackman-as-Wolverine still kicking around. As fan-service I'm sure it'll check all the boxes, and if they have fun making it (and I wonder how many videos they'll release on Twitter teasing it, as I just caught the second one today) I have no doubt it'll do great BO no matter what.

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    As long as there’s a gag reel at the end of the movie I’ll be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casselmm47 View Post
    Yeah, I'm not sure what the time travel//sit back and enjoy or don't watch bit is about. {shrug}
    Simply from a MCU entry POV, it goes against the conventional aspect of recasting and going with someone they can get more years out of. Stewart as Prof X in DS:MOM made sense due to the usage of the multiverse, and was essentially a cameo. Granted, Deadpool can use that narrative tool on top of the usual 4th wall breaking hijinks, but until more comes out about the prospective storyline, it seems a missed opportunity to 'start fresh' with a new Wolverine without the baggage of 25 years worth of Jackman-as-Wolverine still kicking around. As fan-service I'm sure it'll check all the boxes, and if they have fun making it (and I wonder how many videos they'll release on Twitter teasing it, as I just caught the second one today) I have no doubt it'll do great BO no matter what.
    I think denying Hugh Jackman while allowing Patrick Stewart is where you're fucking up here. Did you watch any of the video with those 2? The first part about how Logan was set in 2029 and they're not going to mess with that clearly means that there is no need to introduce a new Wolverine just yet.

    My question is why was it ok for Patrick Stewart but not Hugh Jackman? And where can we see this conventional aspect of recasting to get more years out of someone in the MCU? Who has been recast other than Hulk?

    For all we know this movie takes place after Deadpool 2, which was set in I think 2018, so 11 years before Wolverine dies in that timeline. IF he's even part of that actual timeline.

    Who's getting recast as Captain America? Or Iron Man? Where's the new Tony Stark they can get another 25 years out of since that's apparently par for the course in comic book movies. Usually we don't see anyone recast unless it's a remake OR in the comic book world a different timeline. How pissed were you when you had both Patrick Stewart and James McAvoy in the same movie???? Have you ever heard of Old Man Logan or Patch? Do you know how many different timelines and universes they've incorporated in just the comics?

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    Disappointed to hear about the rough road for Blade as I was pretty stoked about that one.
    Could still be great. They're saying the director dropped out due to production schedule changes which caused a schedule conflict for him, and he's staying on as executive producer. And the other stuff is just gossip.

    But I do feel that the oversaturation is real and they're doing too much all at once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I think denying Hugh Jackman while allowing Patrick Stewart is where you're fucking up here. Did you watch any of the video with those 2? The first part about how Logan was set in 2029 and they're not going to mess with that clearly means that there is no need to introduce a new Wolverine just yet.

    My question is why was it ok for Patrick Stewart but not Hugh Jackman? And where can we see this conventional aspect of recasting to get more years out of someone in the MCU? Who has been recast other than Hulk?

    For all we know this movie takes place after Deadpool 2, which was set in I think 2018, so 11 years before Wolverine dies in that timeline. IF he's even part of that actual timeline.

    Who's getting recast as Captain America? Or Iron Man? Where's the new Tony Stark they can get another 25 years out of since that's apparently par for the course in comic book movies. Usually we don't see anyone recast unless it's a remake OR in the comic book world a different timeline. How pissed were you when you had both Patrick Stewart and James McAvoy in the same movie???? Have you ever heard of Old Man Logan or Patch? Do you know how many different timelines and universes they've incorporated in just the comics?
    Again, Logan taking place in 2029 has no stake in my opinion, since as far as I'm concerned all that would be purely 'Fox continuity'. I thought they'd want to start fresh with the other properties that they've brought back in from Fox, Sony, Columbia, etc. Jackman hanging around obviously throws a wrench in that. Stewart playing a Xavier variant, like I said, was a glorified cameo, where the assumption here is Wolverine is a much bigger part of the 'sell' of Deadpool 3.

    They're also trying to sell this as 'Deadpool in the MCU', so the expectation would be to get a bit of longevity of whoever they're bringing in. If they want to have more Wolverine after DP3 (which would seem to be a no-brainer), not only are we going to start keeping Jackman (age 53) in good health/shape, but also throw money his way in a manner that I'm not sure they would have sacrificed to keep RDJ and Evans around longer. Hence, the reason these guys were killed off, retired, aged out, sent to the moon, or whatever/wherever Old Man Rogers is right now in the MCU. At 45, Reynolds could probably get at least one more DP movie out after this... and as a fully masked character under a lot of makeup, maybe a third or fourth, depending on how quickly they make them and how much $$$ he's going to ask for.

    Yes, bringing in Reynolds' DP itself defies that logic, but he's been specifically lobbying for this for quite a while, meanwhile the other parts of the X-Men continuity were winding down, between the closure of 'Logan' and the box office disappointments of 'Dark Phoenix' and 'New Mutants', which is another reason I thought they'd go all-in with recasting more roles.

    Now, if they're doing some 'Deadpool jumps across the Multiverse with his buddy Logan' story, well, OK, I can see that... might even be kinda cool, to see how they react being thrown into the MCU or whatever Earth (fill in the blank) they introduce for the story. I guess that depends on how heavily and how frequently they want to dip their toe into using the Multiverse as the background of a picture. No Way Home and MOM, back-to-back, primed audiences for what's coming up with AntMan and the Kang movies, but once you get past the fan service of seeing multiple Spideys or an alt-Xavier (which, IIRC, was actually closer to the X-Men cartoon Charles than the movie-Charles), I'm just looking at how cohesive they want to be when expanding the MCU.

    Recasts? Rhodey was it's own unique case, but unless we're going to have one of the previous Reeds, Sues, Johnnsy or Bens show up, they're likely to be replaced (and there's even uncertainty about John Krasinski coming back, and whether that was a stuntcasting simply for fan service). We got a new Spider-Man in Civil War. It's not entirely consistent, but there's precedent.

    And who said I was 'pissed' about much of anything?(x4) Not familiar with Patch, but I haven't followed Marvel since around 2003 or thereabouts, catching bits here and there in fan press or flipping through a TPB at the bookstore.
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    It would make zero sense to "start fresh" with a new wolverine due to the fact this has been an ongoing thing since 2009. Wolverine's movie that terrible introduced Deadpool started this whole journey to begin with and without a doubt it makes sense for it to come full circle here. Especially considering it will not affect the timeline in any manner.

    I'm sure Fiege has a grand plan to reintroduce the x men. It's more or less what brought him to the game and got him where he is today. I'd say of all the marvel properties x men will probably be the one, not only under the most scrutiny, but one he maps out every detail in precision.

    Let this rom com be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casselmm47 View Post
    Again, Logan taking place in 2029 has no stake in my opinion, since as far as I'm concerned all that would be purely 'Fox continuity'. I thought they'd want to start fresh with the other properties that they've brought back in from Fox, Sony, Columbia, etc. Jackman hanging around obviously throws a wrench in that. Stewart playing a Xavier variant, like I said, was a glorified cameo, where the assumption here is Wolverine is a much bigger part of the 'sell' of Deadpool 3.

    They're also trying to sell this as 'Deadpool in the MCU', so the expectation would be to get a bit of longevity of whoever they're bringing in. If they want to have more Wolverine after DP3 (which would seem to be a no-brainer), not only are we going to start keeping Jackman (age 53) in good health/shape, but also throw money his way in a manner that I'm not sure they would have sacrificed to keep RDJ and Evans around longer. Hence, the reason these guys were killed off, retired, aged out, sent to the moon, or whatever/wherever Old Man Rogers is right now in the MCU. At 45, Reynolds could probably get at least one more DP movie out after this... and as a fully masked character under a lot of makeup, maybe a third or fourth, depending on how quickly they make them and how much $$$ he's going to ask for.

    Yes, bringing in Reynolds' DP itself defies that logic, but he's been specifically lobbying for this for quite a while, meanwhile the other parts of the X-Men continuity were winding down, between the closure of 'Logan' and the box office disappointments of 'Dark Phoenix' and 'New Mutants', which is another reason I thought they'd go all-in with recasting more roles.

    Now, if they're doing some 'Deadpool jumps across the Multiverse with his buddy Logan' story, well, OK, I can see that... might even be kinda cool, to see how they react being thrown into the MCU or whatever Earth (fill in the blank) they introduce for the story. I guess that depends on how heavily and how frequently they want to dip their toe into using the Multiverse as the background of a picture. No Way Home and MOM, back-to-back, primed audiences for what's coming up with AntMan and the Kang movies, but once you get past the fan service of seeing multiple Spideys or an alt-Xavier (which, IIRC, was actually closer to the X-Men cartoon Charles than the movie-Charles), I'm just looking at how cohesive they want to be when expanding the MCU.

    Recasts? Rhodey was it's own unique case, but unless we're going to have one of the previous Reeds, Sues, Johnnsy or Bens show up, they're likely to be replaced (and there's even uncertainty about John Krasinski coming back, and whether that was a stuntcasting simply for fan service). We got a new Spider-Man in Civil War. It's not entirely consistent, but there's precedent.

    And who said I was 'pissed' about much of anything?(x4) Not familiar with Patch, but I haven't followed Marvel since around 2003 or thereabouts, catching bits here and there in fan press or flipping through a TPB at the bookstore.
    You're under the impression that Hugh Jackman is going to be this imaginary new Wolverine that nobody has ever said was happening. For all we know, this is the only time you're going to see Hugh Jackman play Wolverine in the "MCU".

    There's a lot of hypotheticals in what you're talking about in how the studio wants to portray and develop certain characters. We've literally scene massive crossovers and winks toward other characters. The last 2 years should smash any idea that just because Hugh Jackman was Wolverine means that he'll be the only Wolverine we'll ever see. What you THOUGHT isn't what is happening so I get it.

    Your part about recasting makes no sense in the context you used it originally. Was Chris Evans recast as Human Torch in the Michael B Jordan FF movie because he aged out? Or did they find someone else like they have many characters. Wanting to recast Wolverine because Hugh Jackman is 54 is nowhere even close to recasting Spider Man lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Your part about recasting makes no sense in the context you used it originally. Was Chris Evans recast as Human Torch in the Michael B Jordan FF movie because he aged out? Or did they find someone else like they have many characters. Wanting to recast Wolverine because Hugh Jackman is 54 is nowhere even close to recasting Spider Man lol.
    I'm not sure what your point is here... When it came to the changes between the first 2 FFs and Tranks version, they jettisoned everything, for a variety of factors, and the less said about Trank's garbage heap of a movie the better lol. Between Jackman's age, salary demands and the likelihood of leaving behind the Fox X-Men continuity for a fresh look at those properties under the MCU banner, along with constant chatter of recasting on various news sites covering this stuff, I just figured they'd be looking forward instead of back.
    I think virm actually nailed it with the 'rom com' bit, although I'd adjust it to 'bro com'. Everyone's getting a chance to scratch that itch about having Jackman's Wolverine back one more time, have a proper teamup with Reynolds, and hopefully make people forget how atrocious the last few X-Movies (minus Logan) were... or at least make a decent punchline out of them.

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    Many people are speculating that Hugh's return will not only be for Deadpool 3 but that they logically must have signed him on for Avengers: Secret Wars as well. That being the one where characters from various universes are pulled into the battle zone to fight each other.

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    I just don't see what the problem is at all with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Wow, he's 53. So fuckin what? lol. The chatter on the internet is just chatter. The assumption based on how things work when a studio gets the rights to a character, those few examples are not going to be the norm. Look at Wandavision, look at the last Spider Man movie, how about Venom? You'd never see two studios work together like they are now.

    And let's also keep in mind, a lot of these decisions to not play a character are made by the actor themselves. I highly fucking doubt Disney sat down with Chris Evans and said bro, you're getting way too old to play Captain America so we're going to have a guy older than you take up the mantle lol. Hugh Jackman, not the studio, said he didn't want to play Wolverine forever. I'm sure they will recast him but I'll be honest...He looks more like the Wolverine I grew up on and loved as he got older and more shredded than back in the day when he first started.

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    There's no 'problem' I have with Jackman playing Wolverine. I just thought it was curious that he'd commit to coming back after 'Logan', plus all of the other factors going into to bringing him back and how they'd handle the character going forth in the MCU, whether he wants to stick around or if/when they eventually recast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casselmm47 View Post
    There's no 'problem' I have with Jackman playing Wolverine. I just thought it was curious that he'd commit to coming back after 'Logan', plus all of the other factors going into to bringing him back and how they'd handle the character going forth in the MCU, whether he wants to stick around or if/when they eventually recast.
    What did he commit to? Deadpool 3? What other factors?

    See, I think what happened is you got all caught up in the chatter on the internet and trying to formulate how the MCU was going to move forward with certain characters while omitting what they've been doing recently with Wandavision, Spider Man, Venom, Dr Strange, the list goes on. Sure, 10 years ago if X-Men were now Disney they more than likely would've recast everyone that's just how it worked back then. New director, new studio, whatever the case sometimes they wanted someone else in that role.

    When you look at the MCU, how many characters have they had to recast that were in other movies? Very few because they didn't have the rights to those characters. Now that they do, we honestly haven't seen anyone get recast. Probably because they're spinning the whole "they're part of Earth 23" DC type shit.

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    I thought I was pretty clear on looking at this in terms of how the MCU was going to move forward. Although I may have been filtering some of this through Batista's comments on getting out after the next Guardians movie because he didn't think he'd want to run around shirtless as Drax indefinitely, I know Jackman made similar comments about his own physique and the prospects of 'hitting the wall' when it came to Wolverine, too. Hey, if he thinks he can stay in shape to play the part, more power to him. These actors know better than anyone else what it takes to get ready for these roles. They also probably have an idea how much they can push for in terms of a paycheck, multiple picture deals, how vital their character is to the overall movie/story arc, and all the other moving parts to the franchise.

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