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    So another twist this week. I was surprised by how much time we were spending in the Mirror Universe, but it seems like it was all leading up to this,

    My immediate reaction is that the potential nuances of the character have gone out the window in favour of making him evil along. It seemed that way with Tyler - they could have continued the PTSD angle and made him an unwilling brainwashed agent. But it turned out he was Voq all this time, as many fans had predicted months in advance. And while I initially liked the idea of L'Rell's plan being affected by their unexpected trip to the MU, I don't really get what the plan was had everything worked out.

    Now we find that Lorca isn't a hard-edged Captain struggling to hold onto his Starfleet values. He's been a bad dude from the start. Another twist that has been circulating online ever since we got to the MU. We're led to believe that Lorca deliberately sought out Burnham in the Prime Universe - but he was pretty lucky that she mutinied and got herself thrown n prison and available for being recruited.

    I liked the scene between Stamets and Culber. I can understand the feeling that it plays even deeper into the "Bury your gays" criticism, considering Culber returns for the sole purpose of clarifying that he's definitely dead.

    There's only a few episodes left so I'm wondering what the end game for this season is. Lorca becoming Emperor in the MU? The Mirror Discovery doing something crazy in the Prime Universe while our heroes have been gone? Is the off-screen Klingon War still going to be raging in season 2? Is the Spore drive going to be rendered kaput as hinted by the dying plants this week?

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    My guess would be, next episode Lorcas defeats Georgiou, then want's to keep the Discovery in the Mirror Universe. Then the last few episodes will be Michael and the crew of the Discovery escaping Lorcas whilst trying to find a way out of the MU.

    Can't see Jason Issacs coming back for season two.

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    The big corridor shoot-out this week was neat, in terms of the various tactics deployed.

    Such a ho-hum conclusion to Lorca's arc. No sense of what it was like for him in the Prime universe. Just twirling his evil moustache throughout. I enjoyed Michelle Yeoh deflecting a knife throw with a kick.

    Discovery has some cringeworthy dialogue at times, but I think the way they hit you over the head with things is even worse. I liked seeing Saru in command and rousing the troops, but my eyes were rolling when Tilly and Stamets repeated his "no win situation" speech during their private conversation. It just strikes me as completely over-earnest and obvious that so many characters stand around pontificating about events which we've already seen recounted. I wish the show would trust that the audience remembers a sentiment from a scene 5 - 10 minutes ago.

    And the talk of the Federation's idealism still rings completely hollow when they spent so much time being anti-Starfleet during the hostilities with the Klingons - the Mirror Universe is undoubtedly worse, but we're basically meant to believe in these characters' values without actually seeing them act upon them on-screen very often. The twists are way too transparent now. Did the war map reveal come as a surprise to anyone as soon as they mentioned that they'd be travelling through time as well as space?

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    As soon as Lorca' true intentions were revealed his character literally went out the window and he was just playing a straight-up bad guy this week. I still enjoyed it, but when he died I didn't really feel anything.

    I'm still enjoying this. Those last 3 episodes in the MU were good and I'm glad they aren't stuck there. I don't know how I feel about coming back to face the Klingon's, I'm guessing Ash is gonna be the secret weapon?

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    So the Botnik studio has had a go at predicting an episode of TNG, as it did with Harry Potter a while ago. I love how Worf's father is disgraced at the drop of a hat and Data renames himself Jack Membrane. Spoilered for size:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlon Dingle View Post
    As soon as Lorca' true intentions were revealed his character literally went out the window and he was just playing a straight-up bad guy this week. I still enjoyed it, but when he died I didn't really feel anything.

    I'm still enjoying this. Those last 3 episodes in the MU were good and I'm glad they aren't stuck there. I don't know how I feel about coming back to face the Klingon's, I'm guessing Ash is gonna be the secret weapon?
    I think it was a fairly stand-out 'throwaway' comment from Admiral FaceWrinkle that her Gabriel couldn't have possibly survived in the MU on his own, didn't you? Surely the 'real' Lorca will show up eventually, grizzled and war torn from the MU, with something up his sleeve to help save the day as well?

    But yeah I was getting the feeling that Tyler will in some way be the secret weapon - they'll have him done up like fucking Khaless speaking Klingon and saying "OCH EVERYBODY JUST RELAX AND STOP BEING MENTAL" or something.

    That last episode there was by far my favourite of the whole series. Saru is just a fucking brilliant captain, Michael manages to still not be annoying as I thought she would quickly get when I started watching...everyone, every single main cast member is just so terrific, and the Emperor in the captain's seat going to rip the Klingons' a new pooper is so great. Love, love love this series.

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    I was a bit disappointed that MU Stamets got offed - he could've been a BRILLIANT recurring character if not latterly in this season then in (hopefully) future seasons.

    Actually, I was saying to my ex I'm not entirely convinced that MU Lorca is dead - when he was dispatched into the Mycelium reactor, I didn't take it as a given that he was straight up being eviscerated. I mean clearly it looked like he was basically atomised, but at the same time I thought it maybe looked like he was being transported/absorbed INTO the Mycelium network?

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    I much prefer this week's episode. Again here I am hoping we can end the season on a high.

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    nice little nod to Archer's Enterprise on this week's episode, I liked the subtlety of that.

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    I really like Saru as the Captain - he's come into his own after being more of a peripheral character during the first half of the season.

    Tilly going to sit with Tyler was a nice parallel to how she treated Burnham at the beginning. I'm surprised that they've seemingly got rid of Voq and framed Tyler as an innocent victim. I was expecting the ambiguity over who or what he is to last longer. Seems a bit of a stretch that he's free to walk around the ship so soon. I liked the way Stamets reacted to him in the corridor - it would have been so easy to do the clichéd shove-him-up-against-the-wall routine.

    Killer ending with Georgiou taking the chair. I'm guessing the season will be book-ended by mutinies, assuming she intends to go mental on the Klingons and not restrict herself to military targets. Intrigued by the conversation with Sarek seeming "final". The Prime Lorca has to show up (if not next week, then in the second season) after the way he was quickly written off as having no chance of surviving in the MU. The Discovery hung around for days without anyone raising an eyebrow.

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    Finally caught up to this outlandish-as-fuck show ... and I kinda love it now.

    Though I've grown tired of the lead security officer crying like a sniveling bitch every other episode. Clearly he's a very torn individual (though that's probably not at all the right term), and I couldn't possibly begin to understand how emotionally and mentally taxed he is in such situations, but for fuck sake his continuous sour weepy face has just done me in for the character.

    Everything else though is quite enjoyable, and I hope Georgiou goes hard as fuck on everything klingon in the finale.

    Also the effects have been surprisingly good. Must be very difficult to balance the current ability of tv production with doing a super technological space prequel, but it's all landed very well for my liking.

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    I found Tyler infuriating during that scene with Burnham where he boiled down his murder and attempted murder as things becoming "complicated" and that she was somehow being unreasonable. It was so jarring that it felt like bad writing rather than something he would actually claim.

    Season 2 will be intriguing for the simple fact that it could be radically different. There's been a war, an officer conditioned by the enemy, a captain from another universe, an entire arc inside said universe, the return of a dead mentor, two crew members have been killed suddenly and we've now had a time jump of several months. What will a normal season look like, especially when they seem very devoted to long cons and recurring themes over time. I bet even the traditional shuttle crash or transporter accident motifs would be mental on this show.

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    I really like this show a lot. I get why some people aren't into it but I think the cast is excellent and have taken the material given to them and done wonders with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I found Tyler infuriating during that scene with Burnham where he boiled down his murder and attempted murder as things becoming "complicated" and that she was somehow being unreasonable. It was so jarring that it felt like bad writing rather than something he would actually claim.
    Yeah, that felt a bit off. He literally tried to murder her, and then the next time he sees her, he has a go at her for wanting to end the relationship because things got complicated. Haha.

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    yeah he went a bit Dawson's Creek on her there when really it was more along the lines of that episode of Boy Meets World where Cory's bone marrow gets possessed by Klingon biological memories and consciousness and he tries to break Topanga's neck

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    Just finished the season. Resubbed and binged the second half through the finale. Solid finish. Not especially great, but it did a great job of wrapping up the story and setting up a much more interesting season two.

    Very glad that the final shot looked more TOS than STD, but they need to improve their space effects. The ships look worse with their cgi to me than in any of the past shows. I'm not sure what budgets are like, but Enterprise looked a lot better over a decade ago using cgi.

    Also, their science is bad. Like when they said a station was 300 AUs from Earth and it's orbiting a blue planet, I that would be within the solar system. Seems like something that should have been noticed by an editor.

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    Saru referring to himself as unpalatable and Tilly posing as an arms dealer were the best things in the episode. Sonequa Martin-Green's acting varies wildly for me, but she's as good as the material which is given to her. I thought her account of what happened with her parents was decent, but we probably should have heard it earlier in the season to make her dealings with the Klingons and Tyler/Voq more poignant. In contrast, I thought the monologue at the end was completely over-the-top and clichéd - her delivery was cringeworthy at times.

    Overall, the finale was surprisingly uneventful and mostly just a reset of everything that came before it. They didn't have time to mine anything memorable from Georgiou's captaincy, making it seem like her reveal at the end of last week's episode was a twist for the sake of it. Burnham looks painfully stupid when she reacts with surprise at finding out that the MU Georgiou is different from the Prime one. The war which we've barely seen on-screen is over, with the unintentionally hilarious idea of one Klingon holding the entire planet hostage with a bomb as their get-out. The spore drive is kaput until they can get a non-human host - it remains to be seen if that will be picked up in the future or if that's their way of getting around the lack of a spore drive in shows set after Discovery. Seeing the Enterprise was cool, but again they go overboard with fan service by immediately using the original theme in the credits. Based on how things have gone so far, I'm guessing it's just another "shock" moment rather than the Enterprise and Pike becoming integrated parts of the show.

    I have no idea what to expect from season 2. This show has never been not interesting, but it's been a real mess at times in terms of juggling characters and story threads. Basing so much of it around Burnham was a mistake, I think. Saru for me is a more likable character simply because we haven't been hit over the head with multiple family and personal traumas. He has quietly become more assertive and earned respect from the crew and the viewer over time. Same with Tilly - I found her annoying at first, but her comic relief has become essential in a show that has gotten progressively darker and more desperate over time.

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    We're about to get a third actor playing Spock, aren't we? And two at the same time, which is weird.

    The Enterprise being so close to TOS was a huge relief and the biggest piece of fan service thus far. The two extra episodes they filmed for the season were just to repeatedly punch the reset button. The end of the mirror stuff, with them getting back late and having lost the war, seems pretty clearly their original cliffhanger/idea for season two before reacting to the fans' reactions. Saying how much of their fleet was destroyed was just another reset button, as I expect the replacement ships to look more and more like TOS. On both sides (Klingon/Fed.)

    They have a solid core crew to build around now (Saru, Tilley, Michael, what's her face with the metal thing in her head, Stannis and metalhead) and should just focus on developing the characters while exploring for a year. One long story can work for a season, but it works better if you already know the characters, rather than it being your introduction to them. I think they'd fare better looking at season four of Enterprise, where they did two, three and four parters rather than a single story thread. Mirror fell into that mold but went probably one episode too long. I hope the new captain isn't another short term Lorca/Gorgeiu situation, where they're only around for a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atty View Post
    We're about to get a third actor playing Spock, aren't we? And two at the same time, which is weird.
    Spocks are the new tribbles...

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    I will binge the series, but I feel like they are mining TOS in the same way Voyager mined TNG to oblivion with Borg and the Q.

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    Star Trek Discovery Season 2: The Search for Spock.

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    We really need those Picard moral speeches back.

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    Amazing news. They've made it clear it's not a reboot of TNG, but the next chapter of Picard's life. A return to the Prime universe and his role in it is fascinating to me. Is he still commanding the Enterprise? Has he finally taken an Admiral position? Could it be a more dramatic and political show with him in an ambassadorial position, helping to pick up the pieces of the Dominion War? Will they resist (ahem) bringing him face-to-face with the Borg once again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Amazing news. They've made it clear it's not a reboot of TNG, but the next chapter of Picard's life. A return to the Prime universe and his role in it is fascinating to me. Is he still commanding the Enterprise? Has he finally taken an Admiral position? Could it be a more dramatic and political show with him in an ambassadorial position, helping to pick up the pieces of the Dominion War? Will they resist (ahem) bringing him face-to-face with the Borg once again?
    They had better. No more goddamn Borg.

    Anyways...*squeals like a girl* we're getting Picard back!!!

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    Picard facing off against the Borg has to happen again. I expect its him dealing with the Romulan mess Spock made on his way. I am shocked there are no scripts for this. Shit, I have rough draft for a new Trek crew with Picard as an Ambassador and Kirk as a holo character. Christ, they make it out to be rocket science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    We really need those Picard moral speeches back.

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    So is anyone watching Season 2 of Discovery?

    First two episodes were decent enough. Pike is a good change from Lorca and I already feel like I know more about his character just from watching low-key conversations between him and the crew. The circumstances of his arrival are so vaguely spelt out that it feels like the ending to season 1 was just a twist for the sake of it. I like how they’re trying to bring the other characters on the Bridge to the fore. Episode 2 was probably the most Trek-like episode of Discovery so far. A bog standard prime directive show. Nothing ground breaking but a nice change of pace from the relentless pace and darkness of season 1.

    Episode 3 typified everything I dislike about this show. Far too many stories being juggled in one episode and all of them advancing so quickly that the impact of what has transpired is lost. An avalanche of exposition. The obsession with Burnham being the answer to everything and having her be the conduit through which other characters understand or realise something. A distracting directorial style (felt like every scene transition started with the camera in an upside down position). Gorey imagery which just feels designed to shock rather than being necessary or in keeping with the style of the show.

    I’m very worried about what they have planned for Spock. An enormous amount is being added to his backstory, from his childhood to a time period not too far out from his days with Kirk. They’ve gone hard in inserting Burnham into every facet of his family. I wonder if the writers of this show are capable of backing up what they’ve laid out so far. Will we get a reasonable explanation as to why he has behaved in the way he has (assuming what we’ve been told so far is true)? Or will we get into plot devices like time travel or mind wiping as a way of resetting what’s happened before he reaches his TOS days?

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    I want to watch this season, because I always feel Pike just short changed in Star Trek lore, because Shatner's Kirk is like everything awesome about awesome. Pike was the first Captain we saw on TV and never got his due. Even in the original series, they write him off in a flashback episode. So, I am happy to see him get some love. However, Burnham is the worst character in Star Trek history. She is shoehorned into a dynamic that doesn't work with Sarek and his family. If she was raised by some other Vulcans, fine. I am excited about it, but being part of Sarek's family with everything Spock goes through as a half human and half Vulcan is just stupid. If they wanted to shock the audience, I would have killed her instead of Michelle Yeoh's character in the finale. Get her out of the way and allow the rest of the crew to breath.

    Right now, Orville is just killing it by being a show where it feels like Star Trek and is doing some daring stuff. The new Picard show being directed by Frakes hopefully leads to a cameo or at least a guest role in the future.

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    I haven't seen Frakes in forever.

    Is he thin yet? Did he eat his way through to the other side?

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    I decided to go back and watch Voyager from the beginning. Im about midway into season 2.

    - God the older I get, the worse Janeway is as a captain.

    - The pre Seven of Nine years are awesome though. There's just so much wonderful non Seven of Nining going on.

    - I never noticed Harry Kim is so unused early on in the show's run. I think there were half a dozen episodes in a row where I couldve sworn he didn't have one line.

    - B'elanna only gets better with time. I'd make so many one quarter klingon babies with her.

    - Maybe 20 episodes in and I'm pretty sure half of them have involved holodeck nonsense/it was only a dream nonsense/alternate reality nonsense. The whole point of taking it to a different Quadrant was to get a bunch of new goddamn aliens in there.

    - The Doc is so wonderful. It's amazing how fast the show runner's figured this out and started to have him feature more regularly. My favorite doc still. Though Phlox is a close number two for me.

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    If you think the holodeck and alternate reality stuff is bad already, wait until you see how many shuttle crash episodes there are. They go on to build the Delta Flyer, a new and more powerful shuttle....and have it crash two episodes later.

    I did a run-through of Voyager recently. I do prefer the early years because the likes of Chakotay and Tuvok had more to do. There's a number of really good or classic episodes in the later years, but there was far too much focus on Seven of Nine and the Borg. If it wasn't a Borg episode, then it was a Seven flashback/hallucination episode which had the Borg popping up. You'll notice how Jeri Ryan delivers her lines with a bit more emotion and nuance in the early episodes of Season 4. Then she adopts a monotone voice and is generally written as rude and devoid of any feeling for the rest of the show.

    "Timeless "in Season 5 proved that Harry Kim could carry an episode and actually...act. It's a shame that they never did anything with him, apart from having him "fall in love" or be horribly injured by the alien-of-the-week.


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    I like Discovery Season 2.

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    I’m enjoying season 2 a lot more than season 1. Pike is a great character and it’s a shame that he won’t be sticking around.

    I still can’t stand Burnham and how she is tied into every storyline. She’s there when Saru evolves. She encourages Tilly to get help with the life form that was appearing as her dead friend. She’s the one who finds Spock. She’s the one who breaks him out of Section 31. The fact that they had Stamets rescue Pike and Tyler from the shuttle during the time rift thing, and not Burnham, was the biggest surprise of the season. But of course, Airiam’s final words were about Burnham and how it’s all about her. Yawn.

    They have a cast and refuse to use them beyond the standard bridge talk. Airiam was apparently friends with everyone all this time, but we got about 10 seconds of video footage showing this in the episode where she died. It would have had more impact if they had peppered these moments throughout the previous episodes. Had we seen Detmer and Airiam talk on even one occasion before this episode? In fact, Airiam’s nature and abilities had never been fleshed out before now.

    Other Trek shows are guilty of under-using characters, but the vast majority have some kind of distinct personality or are associated with another character so that’s there a clear context and relationship. The Discovery bridge characters are getting more lines and reaction shots than last season, but they still don’t affect the main cast or the plot in any visible way.

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    Season 2 has been good so far. It's not great, or anywhere near top Trek, but it's a very solid improvement over the first season. I actually really like new Spock. He's quite good.

    First season wrote itself into a hole with stupid problems right at the start. Making your main character a villain in the first episode, the spore shit, changing the Klingons for no reason, changing the look of the ships to annoy the fanbase and so forth. Had they cut that stuff out, there was the making of a solid season one. In the end, the spore drive's only real purpose was to get them to the alternate universe, but Trek had gone there many, many times prior without it and now they're stuck with having to get rid of it because it's not there in later Trek.

    Pilot (and the rest of the show) would have worked better without the mutiny. Michael's captain/mother figure dies, ship gets wrecked and she and the rest of the crew are assigned to this other ship with a very different captain. So much of this show has been dedicated to getting themselves out of the holes they dug for themselves and if they didn't have to spend so much time fixing their mistakes it could be great.

    Still, season two is good and I liked parts of season one. I do like the Section 31 stuff a lot.


    Can't wait for the Picard show.

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    My whole life is just a countdown to the Picard show.

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    I hope it's just called "The Picard Show"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atty View Post
    I hope it's just called "The Picard Show"
    Star Trek: TPS

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    Not even Star Trek. Just "The Picard Show"

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    I just hope he fucks a lot in this show.

    I always loved when Picard would nail some sexy lady and then spend part of the episode lounging around in one of those tiny space togas.



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    Just imagine how Riker felt when Troi's baby came out bald.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atty View Post
    Just imagine how Riker felt when Troi's baby came out bald.
    Well at least it didn't come out all Worfy.

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    I don't know if anyone watches PEN15 on Hulu (you should) but in episode 4 they spend time with the girls in their music class. The teacher is the dude that played Tuvok in Voyager.

    At the end, when the whole school band plays an "original" tune, written by Mr. Tuvok, they don't mention it but it's clearly the theme music to Voyager's opening credits.

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    Holy shit he's also this guy from Spaceballs.



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    Bit of a weak ending for me, though I did enjoy gigantic space battles and the cool visuals of wormhole-age. So that's a plus.

    Be interesting to see how they do Season 3.

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    So, Romulus blew up while h lead the Armada to save them. Wonder if this is where we lose Riker and Troi.

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    They better not kill off most of the crew. At least keep Worf alive, because he was rumored to have a spinoff show that ended up being this one.

    I want old man Worf damnit!

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    I just started Discovery.

    Right off the bat it feels like Star Trek. I love it already.

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    Maybe I just steered away from rumours or they did a good job keeping it quiet, but I didn't expect so many old characters to return.

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    Oh god I have a raging bat'leth right now.

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