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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    So evidently Colby hasn't been stripped of the interim title but will be "as soon as Woodley vs Till begins".

    Seriously, what is the point?
    It's just in case Till fails to make weight and then beats Woodley. Not only would it lead to a super clusterfuck but it would also keep a big fight on the table based on their weird MO of interim v. real champ.

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    Honestly, the way round this is to launch the 175lb division with Woodley taking his belt and its history there, and crowning Covington's belt as the inaugral 165lb title. It's time. Colby vs. Kevin Lee first 165lb title fight. Would have to rebrand the titles like they did when Tito went from middleweight to light heavyweight champion. 165 becomes welter, 175 middle, 185 light heavy (could be 190?), 205 cruiserweight.

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    165- Welter, 175- Middle, 190- Cruiser (bridge from lighter weights to bigger boys), 205- LHW (continuity sake), etc..

    It really is time.

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    How many guys at 155 and 170 have to nearly snuff it to make weight? The biggest near casualties are generally at those weights because of the 15lb leap up. Between 145 and 185 there are currently 4 weight classes on average 13.33lbs between each other. To put that into perspective, between 147 and 175 in boxing there are 5 classes, for an average of 7lbs. If guys like Till can fight at 175 and guys like Kevin Lee and even Khabib can fight at 165, that changes a lot. Obviously there will still be a few guys overdoing it, but it would at least half the daft cuts I'd imagine. The depth is certainly there. They let very decent guys go at 155 and 170 all the time because they can't quite break through, they'll have more chances to shine. The fact that there are 4 womens weight classes spanning 30lb and EIGHT men's divisions spanning 140lb is crackers. Absolute crackers.

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    Why don't these crackers just fight at their natural weight? I watched a great video of Chael Sonnen and Colby Covington talking about how weight cutting is strictly an American thing. You don't hear of these issues in really any other promotion, it's so few and far between. Colby talked about he is usually 175-180, maybe 185 at the most. Frankie Edgar never cut weight at 155.

    Why does a guy like Max Holloway need to be walking about at 190lbs when he fights at 145? Skill is skill. Look at Whitaker, he went from mediocre welterweight to champion middleweight. Rumble Johnson, why was he cutting 50lbs. to get submitted by Josh Koscheck? Lol. Stupid.

    Because they can adjust the weights all they want and add new weight classes but you damn well know Kevin Lee, the second he starts losing at 165, is going to start trying to get back to 155.

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    A Brazilian in a local org died attempting a weight cut a few years back.

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    Cormier is possibly going to defend the LHW championship against Corey Anderson.......................................... Strictly rumor based on a twitter exchange between the 2 where Cormier apparently accepted a challenge from Anderson. Idk man, that dude has a pretty lackluster record. Only on a 2 fight winning streak, only 1 top 10 win his career and that was just recently with Glover.

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    And got knocked out retarded by OSP like three fights back.

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    DC's just being nice.

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    DC isn't fighting til Brock. The closer it gets, the more appealing it will be not to take a fight. Taking a 205lb fight against a non-superstar before fighting Brock presents so many issues from a health and monetary standpoint that it just isn't worth it. If (somehow) Jones ended up with a retroactive one year ban announced next week, he'd fight him. If not (he won't), he'll continue to tease a 205 fight until the Brock date gets announced. Then they'll set up a Volkan/Gus interim fight and Cormier would get to retire in the cage as 2 weight world champion with a win.

    At least there's logical fights to be made now with people who are coming off wins, Volkan excepted. There's a little bit of momentum for some fresh blood at the expense of Glover, Shogun, Cummins etc. Problem being a lot of the top 10 have fought each other already in low importance fights. So for fresh matchups...

    Corey vs. Latifi - it's a terrible contenders fight, but it is what it is. Both ranked in the top 5.
    Jan vs. OSP - fresh fight, Jan's on a good run.
    Manuwa vs. Smith - big stand-up fight, either Smith gets exposed against a genuine contender or he blasts into the top 5.
    Shogun vs. Glover - Brazilian legends fight. Just makes sense, in Brazil.

    The main prospect is Dominick Reyes, though Tyson Pedro and Misha Cirkunov can probably be rehabbed with wins over Vilante and Cummins respectively.
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    You have to think they'll do Derek Brunson/Israel Adesanya to round out the 185 puzzle. Not sure who Anderson should fight but probably not one of the hottest young prospects they've got, doesn't make all that much sense.

    Whittaker/Gastelum
    Rockhold/Weidman II
    Costa/Romero
    Jacare/Branch
    Adesanya/Brunson

    This will help sort out the division.

    If Gastelum beats Whittaker and Weidman beats Rockhold you might have a guaranteed Weidman/Gastelum rematch due to Chris beating Kelvin last time out. If Costa and Adesany wins do you give Costa a TS due to beating the #1 contender in Romero, or do you do the super prospect #1 contenders fight Costa/Adesanya instead?
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    I did find Costa's comments on Adesanya on the Helwani show interesting/amusing; he said that "Adesanya is a good K1 fighter but this is MMA not K1. He needs to prove himself more in MMA/UFC before he fights me.."

    So, Costa is 12-0 in MMA (4-0 UFC) while Adesanya is 14-0 in MMA (3-0 UFC). Costa's biggest UFC wins are Johny Hendricks and Uriah Hall while Adesanya's are Brad Tavares and Marvin Vettori. I'd definitely argue that Vettori and Tavares are tougher opposition than Hall and Hendricks. Hendricks is a "name" but he was a washed up bum when Costa beat him, Hall is also sort of a "name" but is 1-4 in his last five fights. Brad Tavares was on a four fight win streak pre Adesanya fight.

    Just saying.

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    @OD50

    I don't think Derek Brunson is a bigger win than Romero. So if Costa wins, and if Weidman loses, I see no reason not to put 2 young bulls in Gastelum and Costa up against each other for a title shot. I'm not soaking into the hype of any fighter these days.

    I don't really see anyone other than Costa and Weidman as future challengers to Whittaker or Kelvin. Jacare maybe, but I don't know if a win over David Branch will get him there.
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    Gastelum already has a title shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Gastelum already has a title shot.
    Woops I meant to say title fight if they both win their respective fights.

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    Nate Diaz vs Dustin Poirier UFC 230 at MSG.

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    The Nate Diaz hype is pretty hilarious.

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    That does basically confirm Conor vs. Khabib is signed. Make no mistake about it, The Diamond slaps Nate about over three rounds.It will be a scrap while it lasts though.

    On a side note, I love it when good fighters face adversity when they're a pretty obscure dude then go on to become a big star. i watched Dustin Poirier lose a well contested but unanimous decision to Cub Swanson on a small FUEL TV card 5 years ago, now he's main evented 2 back to back FOX cards and about to co-main in the Garden, leading to a title shot in the division above. Great stuff. Loved that about RDA's journey to the top as well, you'd see him perform awesomely like in that fight against Terry Etim yet he could never quite put it together.

    On that note, who's next? Nikita Krylov? Dustin Ortiz?
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    I think that Dustin is probably the best style matchup for Nate in the top 5. No idea what'll happen in the fight, but it's smart match-making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kangus View Post
    Nate Diaz vs Dustin Poirier UFC 230 at MSG.
    Hell yes.

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    Poirier (#3)/Ferguson (#2) would have made sense with the winner facing the winner of Khabib/Conor. Diaz latest wins at LW were against Gray Maynard and Michael Johnson while in the same span losing to RDA and being TKO'd by Josh Thomson. Good payday for Poirier though I guess.. Diaz has been insanely overhyped since the Conor fights, he's 10-9 over the past decade. Maybe Ferguson will be out for a while and Diaz really wanted to be on the MSG card, who knows. Should be an exciting fight though.

    Kevin Lee (#5)/Eddie Alvarez (#4) would be pretty cool even though Eddie is coming off of a loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    Poirier (#3)/Ferguson (#2) would have made sense with the winner facing the winner of Khabib/Conor. Diaz latest wins at LW were against Gray Maynard and Michael Johnson while in the same span losing to RDA and being TKO'd by Josh Thomson. Good payday for Poirier though I guess.. Diaz has been insanely overhyped since the Conor fights, he's 10-9 over the past decade. Maybe Ferguson will be out for a while and Diaz really wanted to be on the MSG card, who knows. Should be an exciting fight though.

    Kevin Lee (#5)/Eddie Alvarez (#4) would be pretty cool even though Eddie is coming off of a loss.
    It's smart on the UFC's part. If Nate and Conor win you have Nate getting a W over the #3 ranked guy who's last loss was against a guy Nate Diaz handled in Michael Johnson. Then Conor has triumphed over Lil' Fedor and you have the 3rd Diaz-McGregor fight, the rubber match for the LW title smashing a bazillion records.

    Either way, the right people will be in the right spot. Sure, Nate's been inactive, he might not deserve a top 3 guy but he's not exactly Brock Lesnar. I'm not even sure Nate Diaz on his own is even half the draw McGregor is but he's still a name that a lot of people know and it's good exposure for Poirier. He beats Nate, he beat the last guy who beat Conor McGregor.

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    You've got to think Ferguson won't be ready for November otherwise he'd be in the mix. Eddie Alvarez is a gatekeeper now but a big fight, put Tony in there with him for his rebound then he can wait for the winners of Khabib/Conor and Diaz/Poirier to fight.

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    Conor/Khabib and Poirier/Diaz resulting in Khabib/Poirier with Cringey Tony on deck sounds like a tremendous string of events.

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    Yeah, there's a lot of great fights coming over that title if they can all stay fit. Interested in how Kevin Lee matches up with them all too, if he can get his weight down.

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    Kevin Lee seems like such a non-factor. Kind of like when people started talking like Edson Barboza was just 1 win way from a title fight....Kevin Lee is about 7 wins away with the landscape going the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    Poirier (#3)/Ferguson (#2) would have made sense with the winner facing the winner of Khabib/Conor. Diaz latest wins at LW were against Gray Maynard and Michael Johnson while in the same span losing to RDA and being TKO'd by Josh Thomson. Good payday for Poirier though I guess.. Diaz has been insanely overhyped since the Conor fights, he's 10-9 over the past decade. Maybe Ferguson will be out for a while and Diaz really wanted to be on the MSG card, who knows. Should be an exciting fight though.

    Kevin Lee (#5)/Eddie Alvarez (#4) would be pretty cool even though Eddie is coming off of a loss.
    I'm pretty sure this would have been Alvarez/Diaz had Eddie won and nobody would have questioned it especially since they have called each other out before. Dustin's win made him the natural choice for Diaz instead and a win will be great for either of them. No complaints here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Kevin Lee seems like such a non-factor. Kind of like when people started talking like Edson Barboza was just 1 win way from a title fight....Kevin Lee is about 7 wins away with the landscape going the way it is.
    Kevin Lee is two maybe three wins away from consideration. Not 7.

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    Conor vs Khabib announced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    Kevin Lee is two maybe three wins away from consideration. Not 7.
    By the time they get around to him it'll be 7. He's calling out Al Iquinta for Christ's sake. #11 ranked guy. Why? If I'm Kevin Lee I'm looking at someone like Anthony Pettis. A win on either end puts 1 in the conversation but yeah man 155 is looking pretty thick at the top so unless something happens where he can leapfrog some guys I just don't see 2-3 wins=title shot.

    Then again, he's pulled it off before where he landed an interim title shot based on being an able body lol.

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    Kevin Lee looks good, he can talk, and he can fight. A top 10 guy like that can get a title shot with a 3 fight win streak no doubt. He's calling out Al because Al beat him surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Kevin Lee looks good, he can talk, and he can fight. A top 10 guy like that can get a title shot with a 3 fight win streak no doubt. He's calling out Al because Al beat him surely?
    Yeah 4 years ago. But again, why are you calling out a dude outside the top 10 when you have guys like Anthony Pettis looking for a fight, literally calling out any LW, and here's Kevin Lee thinking what? That AI somehow became the #1 contender for stepping in to fight Khabib?

    I mean shit if he's trying to get his wins back holler at Leonardo Santos. Dude smacked the fuck out of Kevin Lee a couple years ago.

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    What an odd bias you have against Kevin Lee. He just stomped Barboza and has only recently lost to Tony Ferguson. He's still a contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    What an odd bias you have against Kevin Lee. He just stomped Barboza and has only recently lost to Tony Ferguson. He's still a contender.
    He's also lost to Leonardo Santos and AI.

    Odd bias? Because I'm not agreeing he's only a fight or two away from a title shot? No it's called being realistic. Who's he beat? Edson? Wow, when was the last big win he had?

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    Al is literally a place behind Pettis in the rankings. It doesn't take a rocket science to understand the callout, he's clearly got a bit to wait for a title shot considering the Diaz/Poirier winner and then Tony Ferguson will have stronger claims after Khabib/Conor, so he knows he needs to put more work in after. So for starters, avenge a loss against a guy that will hype the fight well, and go in there and do what Khabib couldn't and finish him. Pettis is an option but maybe that can be next if Pettis can build on his latest win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Al is literally a place behind Pettis in the rankings. It doesn't take a rocket science to understand the callout, he's clearly got a bit to wait for a title shot considering the Diaz/Poirier winner and then Tony Ferguson will have stronger claims after Khabib/Conor, so he knows he needs to put more work in after. So for starters, avenge a loss against a guy that will hype the fight well, and go in there and do what Khabib couldn't and finish him. Pettis is an option but maybe that can be next if Pettis can build on his latest win.
    Ah see last I checked Al was #11. So he moved up 2 spots for losing to Khabib lol. Nice!

    Kevin Lee is out there begging for gold, his time will come again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    He's also lost to Leonardo Santos and AI.

    Odd bias? Because I'm not agreeing he's only a fight or two away from a title shot? No it's called being realistic. Who's he beat? Edson? Wow, when was the last big win he had?
    You said he's 7 wins away which is fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    You said he's 7 wins away which is fucking stupid.
    It's a more realistic number than 1 or 2. The only way Kevin Lee is getting a title shot within the next 2 fights is if he gets one like last time where it fell out of the sky into his lap because he was the only dude available. Like Al getting the shot against Khabib.

    You have to think of the variables that are at play now with McGregor and Diaz back in the mix. Throw in GSP. So you've got Khabib, Conor, GSP, Tony Ferguson, Dustin P, and Nate Diaz for sure with claims of having a title fight over the next year or so. Anthony Pettis is in the conversation, Kevin Lee is in the conversation when you start reaching outside the circle. We've seen guys go 8-9 wins before getting a shot, recently, and Kevin Lee isn't some money making prospect. The best thing he can hope for as I said is the shot falling in his lap.

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    Half of those guys you mention will lose fighting one another, which cuts them in half as long as Lee is winning.

    So then 3 sounds like a pretty realistic number.

    Beat Al while talking loads of shit, beat two guys remaining in the top 5, title shot.

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    Ross Pearson will be in title talks if he can put together seven wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Half of those guys you mention will lose fighting one another, which cuts them in half as long as Lee is winning.

    So then 3 sounds like a pretty realistic number.

    Beat Al while talking loads of shit, beat two guys remaining in the top 5, title shot.
    In a perfect Kevin Lee world that's what would happen.

    I just look at the people in the mix already and he has a long, long ways to go.

    The last time an interim title shot fell out of space and landed in his lap. Maybe that will happen this time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    Ross Pearson will be in title talks if he can put together seven wins.
    Took Jon Fitch 9. But that was WW. And he's boring.

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    Not everyone in the mix will stay ahead of him as long they're fighting one another and he continues winning.

    It's a perfectly reasonable scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Not everyone in the mix will stay ahead of him as long they're fighting one another and he continues winning.

    It's a perfectly reasonable scenario.
    That if he keeps wining he might get a title shot? Of course it's reasonable. I'll rest my case on the timeframe as we're just repeating ourselves lol. Let's revisit this conversation when he gets an interim title shot against Tony again in 2021.

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    So if he fights/wins again this year, fights/wins three times next year and then three times the next year, he'll be riding that "7 more wins that he needs" streak going into 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    That if he keeps wining he might get a title shot? Of course it's reasonable. I'll rest my case on the timeframe as we're just repeating ourselves lol. Let's revisit this conversation when he gets an interim title shot against Tony again in 2021.
    I meant my specific scenario from earlier was perfectly reasonable. If you disagree that's cool, would just be curious how in particular.

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    Blaydes called out Stipe for a fight at UFC Denver on November 10th. I see zero issue with that but I can understand Stipe's possible hesitation when Cormier says he would gladly rematch Stipe if Lesnar falls through.

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    Oh if I was Stipe I’d be sticking pretty close to the usada-hotline and not booking ANY matches until after that fight.

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    Absolutely. Very little if any upside to Stipe taking a fight vs Blaydes anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    Absolutely. Very little if any upside to Stipe taking a fight vs Blaydes anyways.
    Yeah outside of staying active I don't see the point. If Cormier beats Lesnar, he's retiring anyway so if they did Stipe v. Blaydes after that fight they could just make it for the HW Championship. Or they could do a little tourny and have the winner of that fight face the winner of Volkov-Black Beast fight.

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    Gray Maynard/Nik Lentz official for UFC 229. Maynard returns to Lightweight in this one. The cut to FW must have been getting to him. I'm not even a fan of either of these guys so it just makes this card even more meh.

    Also, Evan Dunham is retiring after his fight on Sept. 22nd. That dude is the shit and will always have a W in my mind for that fight against Sherk lol.

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    Eh, I had Sherk narrowly winning that one. Dunham was definitely being touted as the next big thing prior and his career sort of fizzled into journeyman territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    Eh, I had Sherk narrowly winning that one. Dunham was definitely being touted as the next big thing prior and his career sort of fizzled into journeyman territory.
    I just know that was always kind of an "inside joke" so to speak that people would randomly bring up.

    What do you think about Maynard going back up to 155? Looking at his record, might not be the best move but Lentz isn't exactly a serial killer so who knows.

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    I think it was foolish of him to ever attempt 145. Back in the day I remember reading that he walks around at the 200lb mark. He's a big boy for 155. I have minimal interest in this fight; two veteran journeymen with zero relevance to the rankings but it's reasonable matchmaking nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    I think it was foolish of him to ever attempt 145. Back in the day I remember reading that he walks around at the 200lb mark. He's a big boy for 155. I have minimal interest in this fight; two veteran journeymen with zero relevance to the rankings but it's reasonable matchmaking nonetheless.
    He did alright at 145, 2-1, but still he didn't exactly beat anyone of significance. He's fallen pretty far down the ladder but that's understandable. He's been doing it forever, even before fighting pro he was helping guys with their wrestling. Lentz....He's kind of a douchebag. I didn't appreciate his comments toward BJ Penn and the fact Lentz showed his cowardice by never accepting a fight makes me think this is sort of a grudge fight. WHY? Because Penn and Gray are long-time training partners, people forget that Gray has helped BJ in numerous fights over the years especially when Penn returned the first time.

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    I always felt quite bad for Dunham around that Sherk fight. If he gets the nod there he's 12-0 with a win over a former champion and probably doesn't fight Guillard on short notice. After that it's probably him that fights Pettis, not Guida, and with Pettis' defensive grappling back then Evan would likely have taken it. 155 Frankie Edgar wasn't a terrible match-up for him either. That 1-2 punch of the tight decision loss and the subsequent TKO against Melvin kind of killed him as a threat.

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    Cyborg/Nunes at UFC 232 in Las Vegas.

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    Makes sense. I guess Holly Holm gets a gimme on the undercard and fights the winner. 135 has no depth after the introduction of 125, and 145 is 145.

    230 and 231 still have no main events. Guessing they're looking to announce 230 on the FS1 show at the weekend. How about Max Holloway vs. Tony Ferguson at 155? I don't think Max needs to boil down to 145 anymore. Then you come full circle at 231 with Aldo challenging for the vacant title against Ortega and a GSP fight in Toronto. I'd say GSP vs. Ferguson could be an option for 230 too.

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    About damn time. Cyborg-Nunes, can't wait. I'm not as excited about that fight as I was Cyborg-Holm but with them both being champions and Nunes waxing 2 of the 3 BW champions with ease, could be dope.

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    Ferguson/Pettis is rumored for UFC 229 Las Vegas. Guess they need a couple of LW's on the card to be ready to fill in for Conor or Khabib.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    Ferguson/Pettis is rumored for UFC 229 Las Vegas. Guess they need a couple of LW's on the card to be ready to fill in for Conor or Khabib.
    Very excited for this fight and the Cyborg-Nunes fight.

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    Ferguson/Pettis? Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    Ferguson/Pettis? Meh.
    Really? I figure this fight would be one that would be universally welcomed. Maybe one of them will diss the other's mom and they pretend to shove each other around at a press conference.

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    Probably made mostly to have Ferguson on the card, in shape and ready to go if we have some shenanigans by Conor or Khabib misses weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Really? I figure this fight would be one that would be universally welcomed. Maybe one of them will diss the other's mom and they pretend to shove each other around at a press conference.
    I don't know. I think mainly it's just that both guys are on opposite ends of their career spectrums. Ferguson now vs Pettis several losses ago would have me pumped, but this really doesn't even though it will be a good fight. I do agree that it's a good insurance policy for the main event. With Usman and now Ferguson it looks like the UFC has learned from it's past main event debacles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    I don't know. I think mainly it's just that both guys are on opposite ends of their career spectrums. Ferguson now vs Pettis several losses ago would have me pumped, but this really doesn't even though it will be a good fight. I do agree that it's a good insurance policy for the main event. With Usman and now Ferguson it looks like the UFC has learned from it's past main event debacles.
    I think Pettis is going to have a Robbie Lawler type comeback. That's what intrigues me. Pettis beats Tony that definitely puts him in the conversation for a sooner than later title shot. 155 running on full cylinders, what an exciting time this could be for MMA. Right now it's poised to be like it was when Penn was champion. You had all these killers in the top 10 and a devastating champion, every fight that could be made was entertaining.

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    Looks like Holloway/Ortega is all but set for 231 in Toronto.

    And so now..

    228 - Woodley v. Till
    229 - Khabib v. McGregor
    230 - ??
    231 - Holloway v. Ortega
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    I guess the 230 main event will be Diaz/Poirier or Rockhold/Weidman II?

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    I guess the Till/Woodley winner can make a quick turnaround and fight Colby in the main event. It's that, Dillashaw/Cruz 2 or, inexplicably, a Dillashaw/Cejedo "super fight". Jones would be a travesty if they do that, would be obvious that it would be a payoff and be a disgrace to the sport at this rate. No decision after 13 months is an absolute farce as it is.

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    I don't care, I'll be all in if it's Jon Jones.

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    Might even be GSP. November doesn't seem unrealistic. GSP vs Colby anyone?

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    Robbie Lawler vs Stephen Thompson being set for ESPN event in January.

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    I like it. I see Wonderboy picking him apart though.

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    I agree, but they can't really relegate Lawler to "fun fights" territory while he's still top 5. He's shopworn though and I suspect this is his last hurrah as a top guy. He'll always have the power to win any fights, like Hendo. Just that can't be relied upon against the top dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    I agree, but they can't really relegate Lawler to "fun fights" territory while he's still top 5. He's shopworn though and I suspect this is his last hurrah as a top guy. He'll always have the power to win any fights, like Hendo. Just that can't be relied upon against the top dogs.
    He went 5 rounds on 1 leg against RDA. Prior to that beat the crap out of Donald Cerrone. You give up too easily. I would say he can't be relied upon in terms of health, seems he's had some injuries as of late that have kept him out the game but to say he can't be relied upon against top dogs, I don't know man. People wrote him off before and he looked a lot worse back then than he has in the last 4 years.

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    Did you watch the Cerrone fight? He lost the second round and didn't exactly resoundingly win the third. Cerrone himself a fighter that has seen better days.

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    Lawler is getting older and is pretty shopworn, the positive is that he's only been KO'd twice over a 17 year career, and it was 14 years between KO one (Diaz) and two (Woodley).

    Personally I love to see when our heroes of old still does good in the ring/cage, Lawler, Fedor, Crocop, Hunt, GSP etc. Maybe not Werdum though, he has been getting more and more annoying over the years. Maybe I mostly used to support him because he was Crocop's BJJ coach, dunno..

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    Lawler is getting older and is pretty shopworn, the positive is that he's only been KO'd twice over a 17 year career, and it was 14 years between KO one (Diaz) and two (Woodley).

    Personally I love to see when our heroes of old still does good in the ring/cage, Lawler, Fedor, Crocop, Hunt, GSP etc. Maybe not Werdum though, he has been getting more and more annoying over the years. Maybe I mostly used to support him because he was Crocop's BJJ coach, dunno..
    How can you not like Werdum after he threw a boomerang at that Colby kid?

    If more fighters stood out instead of just trying to do what Conor and Chael have been doing forever then I'd be more prone to care about the "newer" crop. There's also way too many fighters in the UFC and way too many events that don't matter because of this.

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    The boomerang thing was indeed funny but I have to agree that Werdum can be grating and at time comes off as an ass.

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    Didn't he try to pick a fight with LW Tony Ferguson, or am I remembering that wrong?

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    You are not remembering it wrong.

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    It wasn't so much that he was picking a fight with Tony it was that Tony was being a prick and it got heated. A Mexican and a Brazilian, I'm surprised they didn't throw down. This was the incident where Werdum called him a f*****

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    Just had a quick look at the MMA schedule through the end of year - after this weekend there are only TWO weekends without either UFC or Bellator (sometimes 2 a weekend) until Big Ben's chime. Between that and all the big boxing fights, too much punch-face action going on.

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    Claudia Gadelha v. Nina Ansaroff set for UFC 231 Dec 8th in Toronto. Looking at the card barely anything has been finalized and this actually looks to be the biggest fight on the card so far. Supposedly this is the card with Holloway v. Ortega for the 145 strap.

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    I would give anything for a GSP surprise for Toronto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    I would give anything for a GSP surprise for Toronto.
    Against who though? Dude is sounding a little delusional about how he wants to fight for the 155 strap. He did post a picture recently of him doing a test cut to 155 and seemed alright. But if let's throw out some ideas, say he does get on this card and it's at 155, who does he face? The only people I'm hearing him talk about are champions.

    I'm looking at who doesn't have a fight and I'm seeing Justin Gaethje, Kevin Lee, that's really about it that are in the top 10 and those 2 imo should be fighting each other next. Maybe he sticks to 170? Could be some potential big fights depending on who's available.

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    Colby Covington please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    Colby Covington please.
    I honestly forgot about that dude completely lol. And that's not me being a hater that's just me being honest. His 15 seconds of "fame" are up. But yeah I mean, the options are limited in terms of top 10 guys and while Colby and his handful of fans think he's this big draw (check his numbers and get back to me), I don't know if that is a fight GSP would even be interested. High risk low reward in the sense that if Colby pulls a fluke Matt Serra win it ruins GSP and GSP wins it doesn't really matter much because Colby isn't someone that people hold in high regard both personally and professionally.

    And I feel the same about the names I dropped like Lee, Gaethje, just judging by GSP's comments it seems he's looking for a title fight.

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    I actually forgot him for a second too. I originally had a much longer post about how I couldn't think of a decent opponent in that timeframe and as soon as I submitted it Boomerang Boy popped up in my head. That would be a great fight. The fact that he's the true number one contender and has a lot of steam behind him is the sell, not the idea that he's a draw or has "a handful of fans". You just can't resist going off on tangents about the guy lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    I actually forgot him for a second too. I originally had a much longer post about how I couldn't think of a decent opponent in that timeframe and as soon as I submitted it Boomerang Boy popped up in my head. That would be a great fight.
    I think it would look like maybe GSP v. Koscheck. GSP doesn't have the "pedigree" from a high school or college but he's still, imo, the best wrestler in the division. His wrestling works tremendously for MMA. His striking is second to none, I just don't see where Colby wins outside of a Serra Fluke. WITH THAT SAID, if GSP wants at the very least a top 5 guy, he's a top 5 guy.

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    GSP had slowed down after his first knee injury wrestling-wise. He just fought two guys with horrendous TDD in Condit and Diaz. The Hendricks fight is a hard barometer because of how good Johny's wrestling was led to GSP using his incredible fight IQ to keep mixing it up. 5 years, another ACL surgery and the recent illness? He'd be an absolute freak to come back and beat Covington over five rounds. 2011 GSP feeds him his dick like he did with Koscheck, but I wouldn't have 100% faith in 2018 GSP.

    For me, it has to be a legend fight for GSP. Anderson, Aldo, Edgar, RDA, Alvarez. Former champion from another weight class. Or Robbie Lawler. Ferguson and Diaz would be the logical fights but they're booked in fights that they can't be moved from. If he can make 155, GSP vs. Aldo in Toronto would be my pick. Aldo giving up size against a possibly depleted GSP. That wrestling against that takedown defence. Winner calls their shot basically. GSP would happily sit out another year to wait for a title shot at 155 once Ferguson gets his.

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    From what I hear it's Conor/Khabib winner for GSP or nothing.

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    How fun would it be if GSP swooped in to take another title only to vacate it shortly thereafter?

    Woohoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    How fun would it be if GSP swooped in to take another title only to vacate it shortly thereafter?

    Woohoo.
    It would be bad for LW and the UFC but still kind of funny actually. Imagine if GSP won the LW title and then pulled the "ehh, Lightweight isn't my division it was too much weight to cut so I will have to vacate the title and focus on my 'ealth, your 'ealth is always the most important ting.."

    *goes away for six months and comes back challenging for the WW title*

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    It would be bad for LW and the UFC but still kind of funny actually. Imagine if GSP won the LW title and then pulled the "ehh, Lightweight isn't my division it was too much weight to cut so I will have to vacate the title and focus on my 'ealth, your 'ealth is always the most important ting.."

    *goes away for six months and comes back challenging for the WW title*
    Precisely. Either GSP/Conor or GSP/Khabib would be a ridiculous fight for fight fans. But I'm not sure if I want to pay the price of completely muddying up yet another title scene just to get one of them.

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    WME/IMG is all about dat super fight money so it wouldn't shock me. Dana would probably finally get that brain aneurysm though..

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    I always say one hand for the purists like us it sucks but on the other for the realists like us we know that these fights would put serious eyes on the gigantic roster that nobody really knows about. Sometimes you have to make these fights for the bigger picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    How fun would it be if GSP swooped in to take another title only to vacate it shortly thereafter?

    Woohoo.
    It would be poetic considering the way DW badmouthed him after the Hendricks fight and then the Bisping fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    It would be poetic considering the way DW badmouthed him after the Hendricks fight and then the Bisping fight.
    Kind of a lame poem if you ask me. But you didn't ask me so eh.

    Just think having a champ who isn't an actual fighting champ shittily trumps all other considerations.

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    I don't give a shit about any of that, so to each his own.

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    I think this narrative of GSP winning a belt and then blocking up a division is a bit over exaggerated.

    Bisping, as much as I was pleased for him to win the title, was blocking up the division, he wasn’t looking to fight the top contenders. GSP won, vacated the belt in quick measure and Bobby Knuckles took it and it went to a legitimate home of someone who will fight the best.

    If Conor wins vs Khabib, do you think he’s going to fight the best? He’ll look for a superfight either against GSP or Woodley or Holloway, or Diaz again if he beats Porier, or some other big record breaking money fight. He’s not going to take on Ferguson, Pettis or Kevin Lee. If Khabib wins and then fights GSP and GSP wins, we’ll probably finally get the Khabib vs Ferguson fight for the vacant title. It’s not going to clog things up.

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