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    UFC - Ultimate Fighting Championship

    The all things UFC thread.

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    UFC 119 is shaping up to be a very entertaining card. Not something I'm greatly excited about spending money on, but the matches themselves should be very good.

    Mir vs Nog II should answer all of the questions left after the last match.
    Lil Nog needs a big win if he wants to make up for last time.
    Lytle has been white hot and he gets a chance to avenge the most important loss in his career.
    Sherk vs Dunham could earn Dunham a shot at the belt...or at least a future bout with Florian or Sotiropoulos.
    Guillard vs Stephens should be a slugfest!

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    Didn't Big Nog have some kind of illness headed into their first fight?

    A healthy Big Nog > Frank Mir, just saying.

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    Yeah, to be honest .. if Dana did wanna do the big free card to make it up to the fans for Silva .. this would be a good one to do cuz as good as it is, I don't see it being a huge PPV seller.

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    Anderson Silva is going to batter Chael Sonnen.

    Wasn't the Forrest beating right after he took flack for not showing killer instinct?
    I really hope he's motivated to put on a proper show. Last couple have been funny but I wouldn't be laughing if I had to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubya View Post
    Yeah, to be honest .. if Dana did wanna do the big free card to make it up to the fans for Silva .. this would be a good one to do cuz as good as it is, I don't see it being a huge PPV seller.
    Thank God somebody else said it. I didn't want to. I was bitching about how weak the 120 card is as a free event. I really didn't want to bitch about another one too.

    Back to back cards without big sellers... Not looking like a good entrance to the fall.

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    Lesnar vs Velasquez is the week after 120, so you've got one PPV without a non title fight (that is actually a pretty nice card). We're getting so many events now that you are going to get ones that arn't as big as other ones, don't see the point in bitching about every one that isn't. Especially considering the stretch we are in the middle of now.

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    I'm not saying that all cards should have the same amount of star-power. I'm suggesting that they should spread out their weaker cards a little more. Back to back cards without high level main events should not happen...especially when you consider all of the talent on the UFC roster.

    No offense intended, but as a Brit, I think you may be biased towards the 120 show. Neither Bisping or Akiyama is a Top 10 middleweight and they are headlining that event. They are, at best, a Fight Night main event caliber contest.

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    I have more interest in the fights on that card that you probably yes, and Akiyama instead of Belfort is disappointing but at the end of the day it's a free card a week before a massive one. A big main event isn't needed to sell tickets or PPVs for this. For example yeah they could headline it with a big fight, or they could put that fight on the PPV as a co main the week later and use it to make money. I just don't see the need for criticism for putting the biggest UK draw on a UK card which will air on free TV a week before a card headlined by Brock. The card features some great match ups, sit back and enjoy them for free!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgecutioner View Post
    at the end of the day it's a free card a week before a massive one. A big main event isn't needed to sell tickets or PPVs for this. For example yeah they could headline it with a big fight, or they could put that fight on the PPV as a co main the week later and use it to make money. I just don't see the need for criticism for putting the biggest UK draw on a UK card which will air on free TV a week before a card headlined by Brock. The card features some great match ups, sit back and enjoy them for free!
    This is where I have a problem. If they wanted to call this UFC Fight Night 23, I'd be all for it. Dana White formerly cited the reason for free PPV's (yes I realize it's an oxymoron) was the fact that, every now and then, you need to give the people a free taste of what they are missing.

    Essentially, he wants people to say "Holy shit! I can't believe we are getting this for free." Instead, we are saying "It's free, so don't complain."

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    So it being a numbered card is the main problem? Come on. All the UK ones are, it's probably to make us feel better.

    PMBR you're a big Serra fan right, what do you think about the Lytle fight? The last fight wasn't too great but even so I still think this could be great. With a lot less at stake this time (there's the whole title shot at stake = rubbish fight thing coming back again even if I disagree ) I think both guys will be more likely to throw down.

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    I think it is a step small down for Serra, but not in an insulting way. He has been fighting nothing but names since winning TUF 4. He beat GSP, got dominated by GSP, had a razor close decision against Hughes and then beat down Frank Trigg.

    Regardless of there being less on the line, Lytle said that the first Serra fight taught him not to fight safe and that he always needs to work for a finish. "Well-rounded submission specialist with heavy hands" comes to mind when describing both guys. Serra has fantastic jitz and Lytle has been raking in some submission wins. Both guys don't mind throwing their hands either. I think it could go either way, tbh. However, I think it'll be one hell of a fight.


    Edit: Additionally, I'm surprised that we didn't see different pairings. I expected to see Serra vs Kampmann and Lytle vs Swick. Swick and Lytle are both dancing around the Top 20 and Kampmann and Serra are both pretty close to Top 10.

    From a booking standpoint, I don't think people will want to see a rematch of what was considered by many to be a boring fight. Stylistically, I think both fights make more sense too.
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    Efrain Escudero v. John Gunderson added to Fight Night 22 .. that's actually a really good fight and I hope I get to see it.

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    It's been confirmed: Lesnar/Velasquez for Oct 23 in LA.

    'Mon the Lesnar.

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    GSP said he would move up a weight class before he retired, but would not go back down. He also said he would fight Silva at 185 and retire if he won.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_yl...tirement_Silva

    "If I go up in weight, it's going to be hard to go down," he said. "If I put on lean muscle like I already did recently … it's going to be hard to come back down. So it's not like I go up and I go down. I have to be very careful with what I do."

    Still, if St-Pierre takes "a couple" of welterweight fights in the next year or two, and if Silva is still the pound-for-pound king at that point, the French-Canadian then would consider moving up to fight him. And if he defeats Silva, that's a win worthy of retirement, he said.

    "If one day I fight at 185 pounds for a superfight to know who is the best pound-for-pound in the world, (and) if I reach my goal, then my goal will be reached," St-Pierre said. "There will be no point for me to still compete because I'm not going to have a goal left."

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    Jake Shields has signed his UFC contract and will likely face Martin Kampmann on the Lesnar card. In true UFC fashion that probably means Shields gets the Koscheck/GSP winner with a win and Kampmann will get Fitch or Alves if he wins.

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    Wouldn't shock me, but then Kampmann's recent record's not as good as Shields'. For instance they've both fought Daley, Shields won and Kampmann lost. It will be interesting to see how Shields takes moving back down to WW too.

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    Anyone who survies Hendo's power strikes and then makes him look like a 3rd grader in wrestling deserves a title shot right off the bat.

    I like Lytle/Serra. Lytle has looked awesome, and he's definitely looked better than Frank Trigg has so I don't see it as a step down for Serra at all. Lytle imo has looked BETTER than Serra has post-TUF 4 (Serra's inactivity has played a role in that opinion though). This will be a great fight, both guys are awesome, I'm a Serra die hard so I'll be pulling for him but it wouldn't bother me if Lytle won.

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    Kurt Pellegrino got surgery to repair his torn meniscus and found out he also had a torn ACL .. damn that sucks. He could be out for a while.

    http://mmajunkie.com/news/19971/ufc-...return-tbd.mma

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    Shields/Kampmann @ UFC 121 made official today

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    Great fight for both guys, Martin has been on the brink of title shots and Shields is one of the best fighters to never have been in the UFC. And coming in at 170 is smart, the only guy I really see giving him problems are GSP. What's funny is when Shields first blew up on the scene Coker was pushing heavily for Shields v. GSP and we will probably get to see that probably by Spring-Summer of 2011.

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    121 has a very strong lineup so far. HW title fight main event with a WW #1 contenders fight as the co-main.

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    Mr. Bump may also return, possibly against Forrest.

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    Who is Mr. Bump ?

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    Sorry Tito Ortiz is coming back to fight Forrest Griffin again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazurus View Post
    Sorry Tito Ortiz is coming back to fight Forrest Griffin again?
    THIS TIME IT'S PERSONAL. No?

    THE HUNTER HAS BECOME THE HUNTED. errrr

    ONE CHOICE WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING. I guess that'll do.

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    Last I heard, they were trying to set up Forrest / Rampage 2

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    Rashad isn't doing the Machida fight so one of Rampage and Griffin will fight Lyoto. Griffin beating Machida is a hard sell.

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    Rampage vs Machida would be a great headliner, I actually think Rampage is the type of fighter Machida would have a hard time breaking down.
    I hope that's really in the works, although I think Rampage/Griffin 2 sounds more realistic.
    Moneyspinner, keep us waiting for the great fights.

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    I'd rather see Rampage / Forrest 2 ..

    Seth Petruzelli will get another fight .. he's hoping for October. The arcticle mentioned Sosyzski and Luiz Cane as potential opponents.

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    So, Kampmann or Shields? Who wins?

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    Shields at a canter.

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    I wouldn't be shocked if Kampmann pulled off the upset, but it would undoubtedly be an upset. Shields is the safe bet.

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    Kampmann can win this. Every fight starts on the feet and he's competant enough to keep it there, and even if it does hit the deck his submission defence is good. I'd expect Shields to win but it'll be tight, and he'll have to work for it.

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    I don't think people understand quite how good Shields submissions really are. At middleweight he didn't have the size and strength to impose himself on a fight but back at Welterweight he'll be able to bully people on the ground and should get submissions against people who aren't at his level without too much trouble.

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    He had the size and strength to completely impose himself on Dan Henderson, a bigger and stronger fighter.. and what should have been a better grappler.
    ..oddly enough, he had a bit of trouble with Jason Miller. . not a lot, but a bit. Not to take anything away from Miller, but I'd think Hendo would be the superior grappler of the 3.. Shields is pretty good. He's not terrible on the feet either, but I think Kampmann wins there. Don't forget Kampmann's a big WW too.. he was a MW just a little over a year ago.. that said.. Shields by decision or submission.
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    I think there's a difference between dominating a fight but not looking like getting the win and coming out of the blocks looking sure to finish the fight.

    At middleweight Shields is the fist, at welterweight he's the second.

    I see his fight with Kampmann being similar to his fight with Daley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball View Post
    Rampage vs Machida would be a great headliner, I actually think Rampage is the type of fighter Machida would have a hard time breaking down.
    I hope that's really in the works, although I think Rampage/Griffin 2 sounds more realistic.
    Moneyspinner, keep us waiting for the great fights.
    I have bought a crystal ball and I have a prediction for how Rampage/Machida will go


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazurus View Post
    Shields at a canter.
    plz dont point out that shields has a horse head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazurus View Post
    I think there's a difference between dominating a fight but not looking like getting the win and coming out of the blocks looking sure to finish the fight.

    At middleweight Shields is the fist, at welterweight he's the second.

    I see his fight with Kampmann being similar to his fight with Daley.
    Did you watch the Hendo fight? He was pounding Hendo and constantly going for submissions.. you make it seem like he just layed on him for a decision. He was working ground and pound and going for submissions the entire time he was on top of Hendo. Hendo is just pretty damn tough.

    I get what you're saying though. He'll be able to totally dominate WWs and get a sub instead of TRYING to get a sub against MWs.

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    His fight with Miller wasn't one for the ages.

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    He almost got choked out in that fight too, lucky for him he was saved by the bell.

    The fight with Lawler was looking bad for him until he got the standing guillotine. I haven't watched it since but I remember him struggling to get a takedown and losing on his feet?

    I don't think he'll have that much of a problem taking Kampmann down though.

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    Mike Pyle replacing Dong and fighting Hathaway at 120

    Lost a Dong and gained a Pyle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torn View Post
    He almost got choked out in that fight too, lucky for him he was saved by the bell.

    The fight with Lawler was looking bad for him until he got the standing guillotine. I haven't watched it since but I remember him struggling to get a takedown and losing on his feet?

    I don't think he'll have that much of a problem taking Kampmann down though.
    He often looks a bit dodgy on his feet as he ducks his head so much; Lawler never really had him in trouble though.

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    Laz I have learnt today that you love Jake Shields so I can understand you have somewhat of a bias but "looks a bit dodgy on his feet" is a gross understatement. His standup is terrible.

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    How much of a shambles is the LHW scene at the top atm. Shogun injured, Rashad happy to wait for Shogun, Rampage seemingly not wanting to fight Machida.....so that leaves out the top four only Machida in a position or willing to fight in the short term.

    The annoying thing is that Rashad will probably wrestle the title from Shogun if he comes in injured. Although he would have to do it over five rounds as I can't see him knocking Shogun out. On the flip side Rua's cardio is never great when someone is wrestling him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubya View Post
    Mike Pyle replacing Dong and fighting Hathaway at 120

    Lost a Dong and gained a Pyle
    Booo. Like both guys though, should be good scrap, but it's not as big or as relevant anymore.

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    Dong / Hathaway was good cuz they're really both a good test for the other.

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    Pyle's still a good test but is pretty much unknown - at least Dong's had exposure on Liddell/GSP cards before, Pyle has been on the prelims. Hopefully Hathaway can get a finish and move on to the top 10 on 2011. Far too soon to be fighting the Fitch's and Alves', but I like him against guys like Condit and Swick.

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    Pyle's strength is his great ground game but Hathaway showed some excellent takedown defense against Sanchez, you have to think Pyle will have similar struggles.

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    Randy Couture wants to fight black house. He wants Anderson and Machida after Toney.

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    Those fights shouldn't be sanctioned.

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    Couture shouldn't be writing checks that, frankly, his ass can't cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Cash View Post
    How much of a shambles is the LHW scene at the top atm. Shogun injured, Rashad happy to wait for Shogun, Rampage seemingly not wanting to fight Machida.....so that leaves out the top four only Machida in a position or willing to fight in the short term.
    http://mmajunkie.com/news/19996/ramp...-ufc-event.mma

    Looks like Rampage has finally agreed to face Machida now

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    Excellent. It was only a few weeks ago he said he didn't want to fight Machida cause he was too boring. I was worried that Machida would have to spend time standing around twiddling his thumbs.

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    Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago at UFC 121. Great fight. That show is building up to be brilliant.

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    Yeah, it really is. That is a great fight for both of them, to be honest. If Diego drops this one, I think he needs to consider his options and drop back to 155.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torn View Post
    http://mmajunkie.com/news/19996/ramp...-ufc-event.mma

    Looks like Rampage has finally agreed to face Machida now
    I think Machida is too quick for Rampage. Even in his prime, I don't think Rampage could keep up with Machida. Granted, he'll only need one good shot to drop him .. but will he be able to get that shot off before Machida lands 904278239490 shots on him?

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    Check out the 119 & 120 posters:


    UFC 119: NOGUEIRAPALOOZA? Night of Nogueira? Nogueira Nation?
    I swear they have to be derived from chimps .. look at a pic of Diet Nog next to a chimp .. tell me I'm wrong. Lol.

    The UFC 120 poster is much bigger .. but no words yet, so use your imagination. Lol @ Mike Pyle on a UFC poster ..

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    A poster with Mike Pyle on it... where we are supposed to know who he is without them telling us his name.

    The guy has only had 2 televised fights... a loss to Jake Ellenberger (which was an unaired prelim that aired later in the evening) and a win over Jesse Lennox (???) that aired after everybody went home at UFC 115. What the fuck is this kid doing on a poster?

    You couldn't put Cheick Kongo or TUF winner James Wilks on there... but Mike Pyle? Thanks for playing.

    Edit: John Hathaway is actually taller than Mike Pyle... but not according to the poster.
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    Mike Pyle (2-2) - UFC poster boy.

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    Seriously, who is he?

    Poor Rampage, I think Machida will be too much for him. I don't want to see him go Chuck Liddell's route and start losing all his fights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Cash View Post
    It was only a few weeks ago he said he didn't want to fight Machida cause he was too boring.
    Yet he agreed to fight Rashad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PMBR View Post
    A poster with Mike Pyle on it... where we are supposed to know who he is without them telling us his name.

    The guy has only had 2 televised fights... a loss to Jake Ellenberger (which was an unaired prelim that aired later in the evening) and a win over Jesse Lennox (???) that aired after everybody went home at UFC 115. What the fuck is this kid doing on a poster?

    You couldn't put Cheick Kongo or TUF winner James Wilks on there... but Mike Pyle? Thanks for playing.

    Edit: John Hathaway is actually taller than Mike Pyle... but not according to the poster.
    Lol I said the same thing .. "why don't they put Kongo or Wilks on there .. ?"

    And yeah I looked it up too cuz I was sure Hathaway was taller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    Yet he agreed to fight Rashad?
    He wanted to punch Rashad's face in for being Rashad. Does he have any beef with Machida?

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    Patrick Cote and Tom Lawlor at UFC 121 .. another great fight added to that already great card. It's nuts .. they don't need to stack it cuz Lesnar is the headliner and it will sell based on that alone, but they do anyway .. they stack it hard. I love it.

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    I think Rampage could beat Machida, hell i think he could have beat Rashad if he had stayed active or at least in fighting shape. Machida's been undefeated for so long, it'll be interesting to see how he'll bounce back from getting KO'd in like 2 minutes. I mean his dad already wants him to retire....

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    He should retire. I mean, he lost .. what else does he offer? Stick a fork in him. A loss before 20 wins.. and against a top 5 fighter.. What's his problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice View Post
    He wanted to punch Rashad's face in for being Rashad. Does he have any beef with Machida?
    Did he have any beef with Rashad prior to TUF? Correct me if I'm wrong (because I could be) but didn't he agree to fight him when he agreed to do the show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    Did he have any beef with Rashad prior to TUF? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he agree to fight him when he agreed to do the show?
    I'm not sure, but I'd say getting to do the show is enough to convince him to fight anyone.

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    Rashad apparently ducked Rampage after Rampage beat Wandy .. then Rampage beat up Rashad's partner, Jardine .. and they had their little post-fight spat in the cage .. then Rampage had surgery and Lyoto beat Rashad .. then they made the show and Rampage got the movie offer and did that ..

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    Ahhhh that's right. I remember Rashad getting in Page's face after one of his fights, and it was actually before TUF. Thanks for the reminder dubya.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55K6uk8Wvrg"]YouTube- UFC 96 Rampage/Rashad Evans post fight staredown.[/ame]
    Rampage is fucking hilarious

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    Rampage has always been cautious of fighting Machida.

    Machida is a very good fighter, even in his last fight I thought he was going alright til he got caught by a dude who hits very very hard and is himself a really good fighter. Machida is also smart enough just to sit on the outside and leg kick Page.

    Rampage found Forrest and Rashad too quick to deal with. Page has great power in his hands but his striking isn't all that varied. His boxing defence is really, really tight especially in MMA terms but he has never been able to check kicks.

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    His best bet would probably be to put Lyoto on his back.

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    It's a dangerous match to have. Both guys are coming off of losses, so you're going to have 1 of your top 4 light-heavyweights with back to back losses. If Machida loses, he will have 3 straight losses in the eyes of a lot of fans.

    Personally, I would have booked Forrest vs Machida and Rampage vs Tito.

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    I'd do Rampage / Forrest II cuz the first was one of the better fights of the last few years and Machida / Tito II cuz I hate Tito and would love to watch him constantly struggle against Machida again. Lol.

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    Ortiz vs. Hamill at 121, apparently. Weird to see Ortiz fight somebody who isn't ranked, you'd have thought they'd have given him somebody shit if he's not going to be fighting a "name". I'd expect The Hammer to win.

    Gonzaga vs. Schaub on the same show.

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    Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez (for heavyweight title)
    Matt Hamill vs. Tito Ortiz
    Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Brendan Schaub
    Martin Kampmann vs. Jake Shields
    Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
    Patrick Cote vs. Tom Lawlor
    Ryan Jensen vs. Court McGee
    Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
    Chris Camozzi vs. Dongi Yang


    What an awesome card that is

    EDIT: add Todd Duffee vs. Jon Madsen to that. Another good one.
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    According to MMAjunkie, Rampage has verbally agreed to fight Machida on Nov. 20th.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_yl...ida_Nov_20_UFC

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    UFC has subpoenaed Justin.tv and Ustream.tv to reveal the identities of who uploaded their PPVs.

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    subpoenaed......

    ???

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    direct definition:
    the summoning of witnesses or the submission of evidence, as records or documents, before a court or other deliberative body.

    basically a judge has said that the sites have to do it.

    .. don't know if that's what the question marks were for or not but ok

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    Never seen the word before. Looks like a bitch to pronounce.

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    its not really ..

    Suh-pena .. one of those words with silent letters. i hate silent letters .. either speak up or get the fuck out of my word.

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    It means Dana told them do it or walk the plank.

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    Lol something like that

    "When people start going to jail, people will stop doing it."

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    I trust you'll still be able to hook us up with a stream dubya.

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    Most likely, to be honest. Lol.

    They didn't take action against p2p4u.net or veetle .. so.. yeah, shouldn't be a problem yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubya View Post
    UFC has subpoenaed Justin.tv and Ustream.tv to reveal the identities of who uploaded their PPVs.

    http://mmajunkie.com/news/20035/ufc-...ustream-tv.mma
    Oh wow.

    DW means serious business with people ripping off events.

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    Even when they do people will move on to new sites. It's unstoppable. I'm just waiting for people to start using a site based in Sweden or somewhere because then UFC can't do anything.

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    Well, I mean .. you gotta see his side. Granted, they're already making plenty of money.. but they're losing a boatload because of those streams too. It sucks, but ya can't really blame him I suppose. I usually just have 3-4 friends come over and throw down cuz I'd rather watch it on the HD flatscreen than the computer.

    Why wouldn't they be able to do anything about a website in another country? It would still be distrubuting copyrighted material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubya View Post
    I usually just have 3-4 friends come over and throw down cuz I'd rather watch it on the HD flatscreen than the computer.
    I'd like to do that.

    For now though, I go to a bar/restaurant/stripclub.

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    Seems like it'd be hard to pay attention to the fights at the strip club

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    Bellator 27 on September 2 (San Antonio, TX)
    Shark Fights 13 on September 11 (Amarilo, TX)
    UFC Fight Night on September 15 (Austin, TX)

    September will be a hot month of fights in Texas for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    Strikeforce: Houston on August 21 (Houston, TX)
    Bellator 27 on September 2 (San Antonio, TX)
    Shark Fights 13 on September 11 (Amarilo, TX)
    UFC Fight Night on September 15 (Austin, TX)

    September will be a hot month of fights in Texas for sure.
    Add in Strikeforce and that 4 events in less than a month.
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    Tito and Matt Hamill....pretty interesting, possibly the first time for TUF Coach v. TUF Student aside from Lauzon/Jens pre-TUF. Not to mention Matt trained with Tito and was like his prodigy on the show along with Grove. I like Tito's chances in this fight a lot, the fact he put up a good fight against Forrest made me give him a chance once again.

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    Dana White threatens to ban Tapout for Fedor t-shirt.
    http://mrjamesryan.com/2010/06/27/uf...rt-production/

    Go get 'em Dana, U da man.



    He did the same when RVCA (BJ's sponsor) produced Fedor shirts for the Brett Rogers fight.

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