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    Oliveira is on an 8-fight winning streak so it is hard to deny the man a title shot. While it's not exactly against the elite of the top 10, he was putting in work on a lot of tough dudes. Tony was definitely a big win and it showed he definitely belongs despite being under the radar pretty much his entire career.

    Dustin's saying he is definitely not fighting Chandler next so it makes me think there are only 2 other people: McGregor 3 which doesn't really make any sense at this moment but we've seen worse. Or you do Poirier v. Oliveira for the title. This guy isn't Jon Fitch, he's not boring and we all know more often than not it's the UFC marketing machine that isn't helping these guys out. They can only do so much. I'm pretty sure if this guy wins Brazil will be pretty fucking happy.

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    Joint most finishes in company history, 8 fight win streak, beat Tony Ferguson. If they can't sell a title fight between him and Dustin Poirier they have no business promoting fights. Sure it's not going to do Conor numbers, but it should be a blockbuster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Joint most finishes in company history, 8 fight win streak, beat Tony Ferguson. If they can't sell a title fight between him and Dustin Poirier they have no business promoting fights. Sure it's not going to do Conor numbers, but it should be a blockbuster.
    Exactly. Not every single card is going to be a monster, never has been that way. I could see 400k buys at least on this one especially if they do it within the next 3 months. They can't sit on DP's victory too long people will start begging for more Jake Paul.

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    Dustin should get the rub from beating Conor so emphatically.
    Doesn't always work like that of course, but there's enough history to show the jump in popularity for guys like GSP, Khabib, Rashad etc. when they beat a big name emphatically. Khabib vs. Al Iaquina drew less than Cyborg vs. Holm yet the Conor fight drew big and he became a superstar. Obviously there's different intangibles in play (unbeaten, world champion, the buzz from the aftermath), but the majority of that boost was getting eyeballs on a fight thanks to Conor's popularity, then destroying him. This should put Dustin in the Masvidal, Diaz range of draws, or maybe just below. Paid in full indeed.

    Looking at the schedule, the PPV's from April on should be Masvidal vs. Covington in April, Poirier vs. Do Bronx in May, Conor vs. Diaz 3 in June, Jones vs. HW champ in July, Adesanya defending in August with Max challenging for the FW title in the co-main, Usman/Burns vs. Masvidal/Covington in September, Garbrandt challenging at 125 (if he wins a warm up) in October, Masvidal (if he loses to Colby) vs. the Diaz/Conor loser in November, and the winner challenging for the lightweight title in December. They'd do monster numbers all year. Shame Dana's a lunatic who will freeze most of them out because they want a fairer share of revenue

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    I'm definitely curious if this win will help Dustin as a draw (not saying he isn't). Khabib beat Conor and his next fight was almost a million buys. Nate is a little harder to gauge, he's literally only fought 2 people in 5 years. McGregor, mega draw, and Masvidal, who showed he's a big draw too. The Diaz Bros always have the hardcore MMA community interested which is why we sometimes get suckered in with the whole "Nick Diaz prepping for a return after 20 years of smoking weed!" We still think it'll happen lol.

    I'm still thinking Masvidal v. McGregor would be a good fight at 170. Masvidal used to fight at 155 as well and I think that whole size issue was just Dana's excuse to do other fights for Masvidal.

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    Yeah, I think McGregor against the grapplers at 170 are bad fights for him based on size being a factor, but Masvidal isn't one of those. I think it would be a good fight. The shit talk would be fun, I imagine it's be campy and fun like Diaz vs. Masvidal rather than the nastier Conor stuff. And the style matchup clashes well. I think they keep it on the backburner while both are a fight away from a title shot in their respective divisions - if they both lose their next fights it's a perfect crossroads scrap.

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    He'd probably refer to Masvidal as Kimbo Slice's opening act..

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    I will say this. I'm a big fan of Street Jesus but there was a long period of cringe with him practically begging for this fight. I get why everyone does it, but I'm so tired of the callouts toward McGregor that make zero sense beyond a huge payday.

    I know that sounds odd, all fighters should want that big payday but man I'm like, some of this is corny. Eh, what do I know I just post on Rajah. But I do like the fight in the sense that they both scrap hard and don't give a fuck.

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    Next Fight Night card next weekend has plenty to like about it. Lot's of relevant fights, good stylistic matchups too. Overeem vs. Volkov, Sandhagen vs. Edgar, Kape vs. Pantoja and Dariush vs. Ferreira all great fights that will put the winner in a strong position in their respective divisions. For Overeem and Edgar too, as resilient and as great as they both are, it's pretty well acknowledged that their next loss will be the one that puts an end to any hope of a future title shot. So high stakes against very good opponents. Obviously for Sandhagen and Volkov it's a chance to get a marquee name on the resume while building their own names for a title shot. Kape/Pantoja winner will be top 5 in a shallow division so can expect a big fight next time out, and the Dariush/Ferreira winner, particularly with a finish, vaults straight into the mix at lightweight with a 6 or 7 fight win streak. Probably means Felder or Hooker rather than the big names, but could see RDA taking the fight.

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    Bit of a bittersweet night of fights. Sucked to see Frankie go out like that, reminded me of the Roy Nelson knockout of Big Nog - you'd seen them get TKO'ed and suffer flash knockouts, but never completely ironed out. Great performance by Sandhagen. I think that shot knocks anybody out, prime or otherwise. Lethal. He looks on another level, and he's a fun watch - diverse attacks, cardio, pressure - the real deal. Need to see more of his grappling but Aljo likely is his only test in that division in that regard. Might be one of those triangles between those 2 and Yan - I think Yan might have the TDD to beat Aljo but won't have the stand up advantage against Sandhagen, whereas Sandhagen's TDD doesn't stack up against Aljo.

    Volkov looked excellent. Overeem has been good lately but he put it on him and dominated on the feet. Didn't one shot him, just chipped away until he couldn't stand the onslaught. He's a hail mary away from 8-1 in the UFC. Him vs. Gane, Ngannou, Rozenstruick and Miocic are great fights, Blaydes is all wrong for him (and everybody else beyond the puncher's chance to be fair), but he's a threat to the title given that puncher's chance does exist against Blaydes at heavyweight.

    Dariush looked great. One of my favourites, never in boring fights, generally kill or be killed, power, ground game, vulnerability. Well up for him getting a name in a five rounder, RDA is definitely my preference.

    Clay Guida getting a win was good to see. It's insane the schedule he's kept. Possibly has the most random resume in history, loses almost as much as he wins yet has wins over multiple world champions.

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    Frankie getting smoked was definitely bittersweet.

    How much longer can Guida go? I mean, he's not beating the top 10 but he's in the deepest division in all of MMA, the UFC Lightweight division. Looking at his resume, it's definitely a who's who and a sad reminder of how long I've been watching this sport lol. I remember Clay Guida fighting locally here in Des Moines. Michael Johnson actually lost to one of my close friends, Joe Brammer. That was like 12 years ago lol. And he's only 34!!

    That's gotta be a wrap for Michael Johnson in the UFC. 4 losses in a row and while I respect his wins over Barboza and Poirier, you can't ride those wins forever. BJ Penn, Frank Mir, Arlovski, those guys can get away with it lol. Not MJ. Even Tito was like 1-7 before he retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Bit of a bittersweet night of fights. Sucked to see Frankie go out like that, reminded me of the Roy Nelson knockout of Big Nog - you'd seen them get TKO'ed and suffer flash knockouts, but never completely ironed out. Great performance by Sandhagen. I think that shot knocks anybody out, prime or otherwise. Lethal. He looks on another level, and he's a fun watch - diverse attacks, cardio, pressure - the real deal. Need to see more of his grappling but Aljo likely is his only test in that division in that regard. Might be one of those triangles between those 2 and Yan - I think Yan might have the TDD to beat Aljo but won't have the stand up advantage against Sandhagen, whereas Sandhagen's TDD doesn't stack up against Aljo.

    Volkov looked excellent. Overeem has been good lately but he put it on him and dominated on the feet. Didn't one shot him, just chipped away until he couldn't stand the onslaught. He's a hail mary away from 8-1 in the UFC. Him vs. Gane, Ngannou, Rozenstruick and Miocic are great fights, Blaydes is all wrong for him (and everybody else beyond the puncher's chance to be fair), but he's a threat to the title given that puncher's chance does exist against Blaydes at heavyweight.

    Dariush looked great. One of my favourites, never in boring fights, generally kill or be killed, power, ground game, vulnerability. Well up for him getting a name in a five rounder, RDA is definitely my preference.

    Clay Guida getting a win was good to see. It's insane the schedule he's kept. Possibly has the most random resume in history, loses almost as much as he wins yet has wins over multiple world champions.
    I think that filled out version of Volkov might well be trouble for anyone. Overeem is one of the stronger heavyweights and he didn’t look like he could shift him at all. Adding power to his size and striking fundamentals makes him a very intriguing prospect if you also can’t shift him. He’s a big boy.

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    Overeem looked like he didn't want to be there before the fight even started.

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    I mean, the guy has been fighting for 23 years if not longer. HW is really the only division where you can get away with that kind of longevity at the level Overeem has been at. Even without the super juice the guy is still smashing people but last night imo was a passing of the torch. Time for Reem to call it a day before he turns into Juice World.

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    I watched the Countdown show and besides Usmans' barber's haircut the funniest thing was the editing to try to make Masvidal vs Usman look exciting. As if we didn't see him hold Jorge against the cage for 5 rounds. I would bet he plans to do the same thing against Burns.

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    It might not be quite so easy to do the same thing against burns.

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    I think he beats Burns, and pretty handedly at that. Which isn't a slight on Burns, I just rate Usman very highly. I've got Burns a step behind in the striking and wrestling, and I very rarely find BJJ a factor in this kind of fight where I don't foresee Usman giving up a takedown. I don't think it'll be pretty but it'll be fairly decisive.

    Rest of the card doesn't inspire a whole lot, though there's guys like Jim Miller and Kelvin Gastelum scattered about.

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    Would I be crazy to do a parlay on Usman, Grasso, and Heinisch?

    Looks like $10 would get me $66.

    I'm still just kicking myself for not having faith in Poirer.

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    Wouldn't put anybody off that bet, I'd favour all 3. Gastelum losing to such a low percentage technique last time out after losing a nondescript decision to Till doesn't show that he's on a good trajectory. Barber looks to be somebody that can blow out non athletes but Grasso should be able to circle and piece her up.

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    Dana's wanting to put Colby in against Leon Edwards next, with it being the rightful #1 contender fight. I don't hate it. It's the least interesting of the triangle of fights they could make between them two and Masvidal, but it's probably the highest quality in terms of the matchup. Colby vs. Usman 2 would be the fight considering the quality of the first bout. Masvidal against a Diaz brother I guess to cash the cheques. Khamzat against Chiesa when he gets back, and Wonderboy against the loser this weekend sounds about right.

    Will catch the card tonight tomorrow morning. I like main event more as a display of skills more than the expectation of a quality fight, and there's little elsewhere to get up for. I don't think it would be inaccurate to say the next PPV has a good 8 or 9 fights better than the second best one here.

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    At least I'll win some money.

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    Ended up betting $5. Looks like I'm losing $5.

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    Great performance by Usman. I'd love to see him vs Masvidal again.

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    He's absolutely ridiculous. Strong effort from Burns and an emotional post-fight.

    Also very much enjoyed Hernandez submitting Vieira, Rogan and DC were losing it.

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    Usman is a monster. His adjustments and fight IQ to go with the skillset, very impressive. Burns started well but Usman bought time, went to work behind the jab and got it done. This is a different era to GSP too, who was perfect at exploiting weakness - these guys at the top at 170 now don't really have any, so he really has to excel at everything. Knocking on the door of some very impressive records, the hope is that the division can keep up as the Covington and Burns fights provided great action with tremendous well rounded fighters bringing him something. More of that to come hopefully.

    That Hernandez submission was crazy. Reminded me of back in the day when Roan Carneiro got submitted despite astronomical paper advantages. That's the fight game. You might not be a black belt fighting with a broken nose and a busted lip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    He's absolutely ridiculous. Strong effort from Burns and an emotional post-fight.

    Also very much enjoyed Hernandez submitting Vieira, Rogan and DC were losing it.
    Thar was a hell of a performance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Usman is a monster. His adjustments and fight IQ to go with the skillset, very impressive. Burns started well but Usman bought time, went to work behind the jab and got it done. This is a different era to GSP too, who was perfect at exploiting weakness - these guys at the top at 170 now don't really have any, so he really has to excel at everything. Knocking on the door of some very impressive records, the hope is that the division can keep up as the Covington and Burns fights provided great action with tremendous well rounded fighters bringing him something. More of that to come hopefully.

    That Hernandez submission was crazy. Reminded me of back in the day when Roan Carneiro got submitted despite astronomical paper advantages. That's the fight game. You might not be a black belt fighting with a broken nose and a busted lip.
    Yup, I’d quite like to see Usman go up, I’m not really interested in seeing him fight anyone he already fought because I think he has improved more than they have. Which means that the only fight I’m particularly interested in seeing is him Vs Wonderboy just because of the different challenges that fight poses.

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    Also, with her age, toughness and obvious genetic advantages and exposure to great training I have no doubt that Macee Barber will end up being a great fighter. She needs to stop kidding herself that she anything close to that now. Shadow boxing and manic head movement from 6 feet away, ridiculous.

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    I'd prefer to see him stay at the weight, honestly. I think you have to allow the cream of the crop a chance to adjust based on how they've felt his strengths. Leon and Colby in particular, but if Burns can put a run together him too. I don't think it's as if they've had nothing for him, and if their performances after fighting him are solid and they climb the ranks then they deserve round 2. Masvidal is a bit different as I think the skill gap is likely to increase between them, but Usman is only going to get less durable as time goes on and he's more dangerous from a one shot perspective than those guys. Agree about Wonderboy, and I like the timeline too (injured his hand against Neal so is out til Summer), whereas the other contenders are ready to go against each other now. Make Leon vs. Colby for Spring, Usman vs. Wonderboy early Summer then the winners fight in the fall. Masvidal can do a Diaz fight seeing as how he's stalling on fighting top 5 guys.

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    Usman v. Wonderboy would be a good fight. I definitely want to see Usman v. Masvidal 2. Probably the only rematch Usman would have on the horizon that sounds appealing.

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    I'd say reading into it, the likelihood would be Usman vs. Masvidal 2 (probably with TUF build up), Covington vs. Edwards as a true #1 contenders fight, Wonderboy vs. Chiesa with the winner fighting one of the losers of the prior 4 to possibly get a shot, while they build Chimaev a bit slower than intended when he recovers from COVID. So it's not like he hasn't got a slate of fights waiting for him. Good unbeaten prospects at the weight too in Baeza, Brady and Rakhmanov, and action fighters like Neal, Jingliang and Luque that are young enough to make runs. It's not close to cleaned out, but admittedly it needs some of the potential challengers to get past the gatekeepers sometime soon.

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    170 will always have challengers. Very similar to 155. Those divisions are not short on top tier talent.

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    Holy shit.

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    Outrageous level of incompetence, though I do somewhat admire him still getting to the scale despite the obvious result. He could have called off sick, I'm sure there have been others who are missing it to that degree just haven't bothered to weigh in.

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    He said he normally walks around at 195. Fights at 145. Someone is going to die from one of these weight cuts. Ridiculous.

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    Not even going to bother watching this card when I already know it's Blaydes by 5 rounds of wet blanket.

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    Damn. This card is falling apart.

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    So happy for Derrick Lewis, fuck yeah.

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    Yeah, what a devastating finish. And then he just strolls off to the sound of Lil Troy.

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    He's somebody that kind of needs to be seen as an all timer now, as ridiculous as that sounds given how rudimentary he seems. He's knocked out Curtis Blaydes and Alexander Volkov and got a decision victory over Francis Ngannou, as well as wins over half of the top 15. He fights good fighters consistently and usually beats them in a devastating manner. If I'm him I'm staying in shape in case Stipe or Francis drop out, both would rightly be favoured but we need to stop righting Beast off.

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    Blades would’ve fought for a championship a couple of times if his chin wasn’t so easy to find for big hitters.

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    The division is quite easy to map out now, so hopefully the activity can be increased now. Only 1 title fight in 2019 and 2020, and we're going to get past 4 years of only 4 fighters (Miocic, Cormier, Beast, Ngannou) competing for the belt by the time Jones challenges the winner.

    Winner of Ngannou/Stipe vs. Jones
    Loser vs. Lewis
    Winners of those for the next title fight
    Volkov vs. Gane/Bigi Boy winner
    Loser vs. Blaydes
    Aspinall vs. Daukius
    JDS vs. Overeem 2
    Arlovski vs. Oleinik

    The fight next weekend is a big one. Gane is the best prospect in the division in years, if he can pass his first actual test then a potential fight with Volkov would be great. I wouldn't be opposed to matching Lewis and Rozenstruick if he wins though as that's got fireworks written all over it.

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    i thought lewis looked like shit for that whole match until the monster ko

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    That’s Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Blades would’ve fought for a championship a couple of times if his chin wasn’t so easy to find for big hitters.
    Well, to be fair, he has 3 losses. 2 against arguably the deadliest HW power puncher in the history of the sport and obviously the recent loss to Lewis. He had no problem fucking up Mark Hunt, Overeem and Dos Santos who are 3 of the most vicious KO artists of the last 20 years.

    What sucks for Blaydes is that had he won then what? Unless Jon Jones says naw no title shot, he'd be waiting at least a year+ before he got a shot. He'd be the rightful #1 contender but now that doesn't even matter. He's going to be like Bisping, always on the cusp and then just accidentally get a shot lol.

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    Dull card last night besides the Munhoz/Riviera rematch. Gane and Ankalaev got big wins to move up the rankings but wouldn't have won any fans with their performances. They can't all be classics I guess.

    Next week's card is so, so good. Deepest since the Usman/Masvidal card at least. Hopefully stays in tact for the most part, or only a couple of the early prelims drop off. Apparently Glover is on standby for the main event and will be weighing in, and Cruz is on the card if Sterling or Yan falls off so there's options when the near inevitable happens.

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