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    I'm pulling for Gaethje. If Khabib wins here I don't know what's really next. Nobody wants to see this guy yap about boxing on some wannabe McGregor shit like he did the last couple times so what's next if he wins?

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    Gaethje's fun to watch and definitely easy to root for, but I absolutely want to see Khabib cement his GOAT-level status here.

    And I'm not terribly concerned what could be next, that more less tends to work itself out in mma, I just enjoy being able to witness sheer greatness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Gaethje's fun to watch and definitely easy to root for, but I absolutely want to see Khabib cement his GOAT-level status here.

    And I'm not terribly concerned what could be next, that more less tends to work itself out in mma, I just enjoy being able to witness sheer greatness.
    This could definitely be the fight that cements him as the GOAT 155'er if he already isn't, which I see no one else being able to make a case that it's anyone but Khabib.

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    I like Gateje but I want Khabib to win. I'd like to see GSP/Khabib.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I like Gateje but I want Khabib to win. I'd like to see GSP/Khabib.
    5 years ago yes. Now, a win over GSP would just feel like when Tito finally knocked out Chuck. GSP's legacy is what it is and coming back just to lose to Khabib, meh. Too much of a gamble. I think anyone calling out GSP or Nick Diaz deserve to get knocked out in 2 seconds by the #30 ranked in their division.

    If I'm being positive about the fight I wouldn't be negative to it 100% because GSP, imo, is the greatest fighter of all time and coming back, beating someone like Khabib would be wild. But unnecessary. Khabib loses to GSP, you either consider GSP the greatest or you realize Khabib isn't that good because nobody that inactive should be able to come back and beat a guy like Khabib especially when they're 40.

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    I'd rather GSP stayed retired. That was the perfect ending. His reflexes will have only regressed and he clearly wasn't the same fighter after the ACL surgery anyway, basically exploiting two historically bad takedown defences before having life or deaths with Hendricks and Bisping. Won them all, won the middleweight title with a finish at Madison Square Garden, that's it.

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    Just found out UFC 254 is going to be at 1pm my time. Normally I wouldn't care but I'm going to have a few people over and actually buy the ppv, because it's the day before my 30th birthday, so I'm a little annoyed.

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    7pm my time, which is an absolutely lovely rarity! Can't wait to be in bed at a decent time after a night of fights.

    Saturday's card is avoidable. Holly Holm over 5 rounds, is there any need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    I'd rather GSP stayed retired. That was the perfect ending. His reflexes will have only regressed and he clearly wasn't the same fighter after the ACL surgery anyway, basically exploiting two historically bad takedown defences before having life or deaths with Hendricks and Bisping. Won them all, won the middleweight title with a finish at Madison Square Garden, that's it.
    For me, he's already done the "What if he comes back and wins a big fight" story. He fought someone who was bigger, stronger, more active, tough as hell and walked out MW champion.

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    https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2020/...ething-special

    Khabib's manager apparently has said that this is not GSP or McG. So, what else could be "something special"?

    /Could it be Khabib vs. Bear - The Rematch.

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    My first thought was Usman but apparently Usman said he never would because they share the same manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2020/...ething-special

    Khabib's manager apparently has said that this is not GSP or McG. So, what else could be "something special"?

    /Could it be Khabib vs. Bear - The Rematch.
    If he beats Gaethje then who knows. Honestly, Michael Chandler isn't exactly something special even if you're a super hardcore MMA fan. I'm not interested in these dumbass fights with GSP, McGregor, a Diaz. Maybe it's Masvidal? That guy used to fight at 155. I don't know if he could make that weight NOW as he seemed to be pretty content on 170 but hey if the money is right, why not?

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    Definitely prefer to see Khabib vs Chandler over Masvidal..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Definitely prefer to see Khabib vs Chandler over Masvidal..
    Of course you would.

    So I'm hearing Dana has offered to do the December 12th proposed charity sparring between DP and McGregor in the UFC as a legit rematch on that same date. IDK if it's going to be Ireland but you never know. That's a fight I'd love to see.

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    Of those options, of course..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Of those options, of course..
    In the context of "something special" I fail to see outside of being blatantly objective for the sake of being negative how Khabib getting Michael Chandler next would be "something special". I'm just as big of a fan of MMA as you, I respect Michael Chandler and what he's done in Bellator.

    Still doesn't make him this big deal does it? In what way? You might as well look at the top guy in OneFC and say he would be "something special" for Jon Jones. Chandler wasn't even the top guy in Bellator. I don't know....I get it from a "I hate everything that draws money" point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    In the context of "something special" I fail to see outside of being blatantly objective for the sake of being negative how Khabib getting Michael Chandler next would be "something special". I'm just as big of a fan of MMA as you, I respect Michael Chandler and what he's done in Bellator.

    Still doesn't make him this big deal does it? In what way? You might as well look at the top guy in OneFC and say he would be "something special" for Jon Jones. Chandler wasn't even the top guy in Bellator. I don't know....I get it from a "I hate everything that draws money" point of view.
    I'm not really using 'something special' as a definite qualifier. I don't think either Chandler or Masvidal qualify as all that special a matchup for Khabib anyway. And no, I'm also not really all that concerned with drawing money as long as it's other people's money.

    But just looking at those two matchups I prefer Chander. He's a legit contender for a LW title vs a guy who's got a spotty record riding a nice little win streak (generously excluding his last defeat) that, combined with some well timed great interviews, catapulted his name onto the big stage. And I don't really dislike Masvidal either, I just think he's been completely overrated ever since the big nuclear knee out of nowhere. Meanwhile Michael Chandler has beaten some studs in the actual division while only suffering a handful of losses on his way up so I'm not gonna use Bellator against him. Plus his mix of power, wrestling, and all around grappling iq is a tremendous style matchup against Khabib. I think Khabib would just drag Jorge down and turn him into hamburger. Hell, I honestly think Chandler could control Masivdal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    I'm not really using 'something special' as a definite qualifier. I don't think either Chandler or Masvidal qualify as all that special a matchup for Khabib anyway. And no, I'm also not really all that concerned with drawing money as long as it's other people's money.

    But just looking at those two matchups I prefer Chander. He's a legit contender for a LW title vs a guy who's got a spotty record riding a nice little win streak (generously excluding his last defeat) that, combined with some well timed great interviews, catapulted his name onto the big stage. And I don't really dislike Masvidal either, I just think he's been completely overrated ever since the big nuclear knee out of nowhere. Meanwhile Michael Chandler has beaten some studs in the actual division while only suffering a handful of losses on his way up so I'm not gonna use Bellator against him. Plus his mix of power, wrestling, and all around grappling iq is a tremendous style matchup against Khabib. I think Khabib would just drag Jorge down and turn him into hamburger. Hell, I honestly think Chandler could control Masivdal.
    Masvidal has always been a top fighter imo he just had a few big split decision losses.

    In the world of prize fighting a guy like Masvidal is something special. He's been doing more than just a flying knee to Askren, who by your assessment of Chandler should fit right in as Masvidal getting a huge win. Masvidal's had bigger fights, bigger wins in the last 2 years than Chandler has his entire career in Bellator. You should "hold that against him" because it's where he's coming from.

    So if you put this guy as the back up for the title fight with Khabib and Gaethje of all people, then his resume better be super sick. It's not like Gaethje came in and was gifted this opportunity for beating who? Benson? Eh. This is the same guy who couldn't handle Will Brooks not that long ago.

    You're going to say Masvidal is overrated but Chandler isn't? I like Chandler, I don't think he's a top 10 LW I definitely don't see him as a realistic alternate for the title fight coming up but I'm not Dana White. Hell for all we know if it is Masvidal maybe it's a "superfight" like Anderson v. Forrest Griffin. If it's for the LW title, I don't know if Chandler's work in BELLATOR warrants an immediate title shot in the UFC. I don't see them as equals, the depth at LW in Bellator is nothing like the UFC.

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    Masvidal has always been a good fighter, I don't agree about top fighter though. He's had more than just a few split decision losses. But again, I don't care to knock him, I like him. I just think he hit the right wave at the right time on his big three fight win streak, and good for him. But I don't get personally worked up about him despite his current hype.

    And I'm not trying to convince you to like Chandler. But I think style-wise and within the division itself he's a more apt opponent. I'm honestly not sure atm if you've seen him fight much. He's really really quite good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Masvidal has always been a good fighter, I don't agree about top fighter though. He's had more than just a few split decision losses. But again, I don't care to knock him, I like him. I just think he hit the right wave at the right time on his big three fight win streak, and good for him. But I don't get personally worked up about him despite his current hype.

    And I'm not trying to convince you to like Chandler. But I think style-wise and within the division itself he's a more apt opponent. I'm honestly not sure atm if you've seen him fight much. He's really really quite good.
    Oh dude he is good. I never once said he wasn't. I did say I don't see how he would be the back up for a title fight of the magnitude of Khabib v. Gaethje based on the 10-15 fights I've seen of his. In Bellator. At 155 the depth is definitely above and beyond Bellator. I've made plenty of posts where I've been adamant that just because you were in Bellator, even a top guy, doesn't mean you suck or anything like that.

    But when you're talking about a guy who's resume isn't the greatest. Bellator being on Spike was a bonus for me, hated when they were on MTV2 because you never got to see them. I've seen plenty of Chandler over the last 9-10 years going back to even before choked out Eddie. A guy going 5 rounds with Bret Primus isn't exactly someone I'm thinking could take Khabib. The UFC must see something in him to give him this kind of spot.

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    Khabib/Masvidal as kind of a one-off event just doesn't do as much for me as watching Khabib continue trying to absolutely wipe clean all of the very best of one division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Khabib/Masvidal as kind of a one-off event just doesn't do as much for me as watching Khabib continue trying to absolutely wipe clean all of the very best of one division.
    Oh I know. You've made it clear over the years that the only time you see value in big fights are if the rankings make sense. If Conor McGregor can bring a million new fans to the sport it's not worth it if he's not ranked appropriately.

    Khabib v. Chandler isn't something special in comparison to Masvidal. It just isn't no matter how you slice it man.

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    I'm not necessarily concerned with bringing in new fans, particularly those only interested in one-off marquee event fights. Nothing terribly wrong with those either, but it was a question of choosing between the two.

    And I slice it like I did from the original statement onward, by my personal preference, man.
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    Holm and GDR basically held serve and insured Nunes has no interesting fights on the horizon. At this point I kind of expect her to retire after beating Megan Anderson, with Shevchenko moving back up and facing maybe the winner of a Holm/GDR rematch for the vacant belt. Mad the contrast between 115 and the other women's divisions, nothing on the horizon for either Shevchenko or Nunes. It's like when Anderson had rushed through Franklin, Hendo and Marquardt within a year and was dossing about with Cote and Leites until a real challenge broke through.

    Carlos Condit back in the win column. All for a Robbie Lawler rematch after Robbie embarrasses Mike Perry next month. That's the fight to make, and a proper use of beloved veterans - I don't need to see guys like that look lethargic in UD defeats against faster but dull up and comers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Holm and GDR basically held serve and insured Nunes has no interesting fights on the horizon. At this point I kind of expect her to retire after beating Megan Anderson, with Shevchenko moving back up and facing maybe the winner of a Holm/GDR rematch for the vacant belt. Mad the contrast between 115 and the other women's divisions, nothing on the horizon for either Shevchenko or Nunes. It's like when Anderson had rushed through Franklin, Hendo and Marquardt within a year and was dossing about with Cote and Leites until a real challenge broke through.

    Carlos Condit back in the win column. All for a Robbie Lawler rematch after Robbie embarrasses Mike Perry next month. That's the fight to make, and a proper use of beloved veterans - I don't need to see guys like that look lethargic in UD defeats against faster but dull up and comers.
    The only interesting fight for Nunes IMHO is a rematch against Cyborg, which will never happen. So she might as well retire. Nothing else to prove honestly.

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    I wouldn't mind a trilogy fight with Shevchenko, second fight should've be a win for Bullet anyway, or at the very least a draw. A third "champ vs. champ" fight could possible drum up some interest even though Amanda is (officially) 2-0, especially with Shevchenko being so dominant (5-0) since the Nunes fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    I wouldn't mind a trilogy fight with Shevchenko, second fight should've be a win for Bullet anyway, or at the very least a draw. A third "champ vs. champ" fight could possible drum up some interest even though Amanda is (officially) 2-0, especially with Shevchenko being so dominant (5-0) since the Nunes fight.
    Hey, 3 times a charm, worked for Rampage lol.

    It is a tough fight to sell though especially outside the super hardcore fan base that could break down a reason behind having a 3rd fight i.e. the previous 2 were close, with 1 I truly believe Nunes lost. But "almost winning" doesn't necessarily translate well, especially when we're talking about WMMA. Most of the audience is still not sold on anyone beyond Ronda Rousey.

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    So Leon Edwards has no interest in fighting Wonderboy. His reasoning was something about Wonderboy losing his last fight to Pettis, which we know wasn't his last fight. His last fight was pure domination against someone who wasn't battle torn past their prime like RDA the gatekeeper.

    Leon is ranked #3, Wonderboy is ranked #5. Leon has 1 top 10 win in his career, the gatekeeper RDA, over a year ago. I think someone said this dude needs to start fighting or wind up like Yair because he's turned down quite a few fights. He's not getting the winner of Usman-Burns. He's not getting Jorge Masvidal. He's not getting Colby.

    I respect that he is on an 8-fight winning streak, but against who? I think he squeaked by Gunnar Nelson and then another decision against RDA....If he beats Wonderboy that's a huge win for Leon. I just don't want to see a good fighter like him simply be known for the rest of his career as the 3 piece and a soda guy lol.

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    I rate Leon, but yeah he needs to fight. Masvidal and Covington seem destined to fight, and Burns earned the shot against Usman. So Burns can fight either Wonderboy or a completely stone cold Tyron Woodley. I guess the latter may be the bigger name, but the Wonderboy fight would have greater relevance. Plus, Wonderboy actually tries to fight unlike 2020 Tyron. Fight Wonderboy, beat him, then you've earned the Usman vs. Burns winner, knocked the ring rust off and boosted your name value in one sitting. No brainer.

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    Usman/Burns was delayed til 2021 because Usman needed more time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    I rate Leon, but yeah he needs to fight. Masvidal and Covington seem destined to fight, and Burns earned the shot against Usman. So Burns can fight either Wonderboy or a completely stone cold Tyron Woodley. I guess the latter may be the bigger name, but the Wonderboy fight would have greater relevance. Plus, Wonderboy actually tries to fight unlike 2020 Tyron. Fight Wonderboy, beat him, then you've earned the Usman vs. Burns winner, knocked the ring rust off and boosted your name value in one sitting. No brainer.
    What I want to know is when did everyone start thinking they have enough clout to decide who and when they fight? Seriously, who is Leon Edwards to be turning down fights? I can't imagine the UFC haven't offered him a single fight since July 2019.

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    Maybe Edwards should just accept that he is Jon Fitch and will eventually get a title shot if he keeps winning and there are no other more exciting, money generating challengers around. Fitch had to win eight straight (4 finishers, 4 decisions) and while Edwards is currently also on an eight-fight win streak he has 6 decisions and 2 finishes, also like Fitch he isn't the most interesting or exciting personality. Dan Hardy got a title fight against GSP after winning just four fights, 3 decision and one finish (I had him losing to Gono though) but he was considered colorful, exciting and brash. Jon Jones, Conor, Masvidal and some others can some times strong-arm Dana into more money or changing match-making, Leon Edwards is not in their stratosphere and should maybe just stfu and keep winning.

    Edwards almost caught lightning in a bottle with the three-piece-and-a-soda altercation with Masvidal but nothing came of it. Can't remember exactly what happened, did Edwards or Jorge decline the fight? Masvidal beat Till in the main event and Edwards beat Gunnar Nelson in the co-main that night, so I'm guessing they were fairly close in the rankings at the time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD50 View Post
    Maybe Edwards should just accept that he is Jon Fitch and will eventually get a title shot if he keeps winning and there are no other more exciting, money generating challengers around. Fitch had to win eight straight (4 finishers, 4 decisions) and while Edwards is currently also on an eight-fight win streak he has 6 decisions and 2 finishes, also like Fitch he isn't the most interesting or exciting personality. Dan Hardy got a title fight against GSP after winning just four fights, 3 decision and one finish (I had him losing to Gono though) but he was considered colorful, exciting and brash. Jon Jones, Conor, Masvidal and some others can some times strong-arm Dana into more money or changing match-making, Leon Edwards is not in their stratosphere and should maybe just stfu and keep winning.

    Edwards almost caught lightning in a bottle with the three-piece-and-a-soda altercation with Masvidal but nothing came of it. Can't remember exactly what happened, did Edwards or Jorge decline the fight? Masvidal beat Till in the main event and Edwards beat Gunnar Nelson in the co-main that night, so I'm guessing they were fairly close in the rankings at the time?
    Yeah I'm not sure what happened. I mean, I probably saw one Leon Edwards fight prior to that incident and it wasn't memorable obviously lol. Masvidal wasn't a household name but he's far from a nobody, and honestly he beat a much higher ranked fighter than Leon. Masvidal, since the Cerrone fight and probably before, made it clear he wasn't necessarily about the championship but the money fights. I mean, he went from beating the top 2 guys that weren't wearing the belt to fighting Nate Diaz for a makeshift title lol. Which everyone knows that fight only happened because Usman turned down the fight against Jorge at MSG so they had to scramble and they called The Rock.

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    So what's the bigger fight to make?

    Jones v. Izzy or Jones v. top 5 HW? Jon isn't getting Stipe unless something happens to Ngannou. I'll be honest, I'm not someone who gets wrapped up in twitter beef as a means to fight and while I think it would be a good fight, I think both could do something else. If Jon never announced he was vacating the title and moving to HW I would be 100% down. But now that he's FINALLY going to HW I would rather see that.

    Let Izzy go the Anderson route and test his skills against someone in the top 20 @ LHW like when Anderson fought James Irvin. Hell, give him a top 5 LHW like when Andy fought Griffin who had just lost the title. I would be down for something like Izzy v. Glover, Izzy v. Rumble Johnson lol.

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    Meanwhile Jones is probably in the neighborhood of 225-230 atm, while Adesanya probably has to wear his gloves to make MW.

    It'd be epic for sure, but honestly I'm not sure where they meet in the middle weight-wise.

    I'd rather see Jones fight a HW before getting a HW title fight.

    I'd rather see Izzy fight a LHW before getting a shot at the LHW goat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Meanwhile Jones is probably in the neighborhood of 225-230 atm, while Adesanya probably has to wear his gloves to make MW.

    It'd be epic for sure, but honestly I'm not sure where they meet in the middle weight-wise.

    I'd rather see Jones fight a HW before getting a HW title fight.

    I'd rather see Izzy fight a LHW before getting a shot at the LHW goat.
    I know Izzy has fought at HW in Kickboxing. If they did fight, it'd be at LHW you'd think.

    But ultimately I'm with you. 100% agree. I'd rather see Izzy v. someone at LHW, even if it's not a top contender but at least someone worth a damn. Same with Jones....I wouldn't be super negative if he fought the winner of Stipe/Ngannou but me personally I would like to see him against a top 5-10 guy first.

    Totally get why they would give him a title shot, especially if Stipe won as it'd be arguably the GOAT HW v. the GOAT LHW. But I'd like to see Jones against Hot Balls Lewis or someone in that top 5-7 range.

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    Izzy still weighed around 185 for that HW kickboxing tourney..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Izzy still weighed around 185 for that HW kickboxing tourney..

    Oh shit my bad lol. I guess I shouldn't take "Heavyweight" as UFC Heavyweight....Although UFC HW=207lbs so yeah.....I'd say they should fight at LHW because that's really the only option for Jones imo. 10 years MAYBE he could make 195-200 but yeah Izzy is going to need to keep juicing up or whatever the fuck he's doing.

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    For me, the ideal scenario would be Izzy eventually moving up to 205 and winning that belt, Jones beats Miocic, then moves back down to fight Adesanya for that belt. In terms of hype anyway. I want Jones flattened by Stipe or Ngannou next preferably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    For me, the ideal scenario would be Izzy eventually moving up to 205 and winning that belt, Jones beats Miocic, then moves back down to fight Adesanya for that belt. In terms of hype anyway. I want Jones flattened by Stipe or Ngannou next preferably.
    lol why so negative toward Jones????

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    So Poirier vs McGregor II in either Nov or Dec it seems then?

    Hope this comes to fruition as it feels like a great fight at just the right time for both men, and the division.

    And after 254 they can put together Ferguson vs Chandler in his debut and the top of the division will be in some kind of order.

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    Here's to hoping it's on my birthday 12/12. The last UFC that was on my birthday was McGregor v. Aldo/Weidman v. Rockhold double main event. What a great card.

    2 great fighters, Poirier is one of my favorites of all time. Their first fight was forever ago in my mind so who knows how it might go.

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    Could actually happen considering Usman vs. Burns is off that card. They're in a weird predicament now where 4 of their top maybe 6 draws aren't champions, so they're just going to have to suck it up and put title fights underneath them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Could actually happen considering Usman vs. Burns is off that card. They're in a weird predicament now where 4 of their top maybe 6 draws aren't champions, so they're just going to have to suck it up and put title fights underneath them.
    Or just not put a title fight on the card at all. Absolutely no reason a title should be on every UFC card, even just the numbered events. Some of the best shows ever didn't have a title on the line.

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    So RDA out of 254 vs Makhachev with a positive covid test.

    Islam calling out Michael Chandler to be the replacement. He's also calling out Dan Hooker or Charles Oliveira in a hail mary attempt to stay on the card.

    His manager Abdelaziz is calling out Tony Ferguson as well.

    Hope someone steps up to the plate.

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    I'm about to just come to grips with the fact that I've slowly turned into a casual MMA fan over the last 2 years. Going over this guy's record, because I can't remember him at all, and I'm like damn, I don't even remember a guy knocking out Tibau of all people in a minute. Just one of those situations where there are so many fighters, so many cards, I can't retain it all.

    I'm just curious if this guy warrants a shot against people like Ferguson, Chandler, etc because all those names are top 5-6 in the division and this cat is ranked #11. I definitely don't see Tony or Chandler taking the fight especially if Chandler is on stand by for Khabib v. Gaethje.

    I'm sure Ali will say something stupid like Tony Ferguson is ducking this guy lol.

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    Chandler should take it. He should be on the card given he's the reserve, he's going to Abu Dhabi and making weight to fight, why not fight? Knowing he'll be fighting would be good psychologically if he does have to fill in too.

    On the non-title fight card end, it's just that there's 12 of them, so with any luck between 24 and 30 title fights a year. For me I'd be putting everything below 145, men and women, other than Nunes on free TV until they build names, but that's not how they run things. So with 12 PPV's a year, there is seldom space for a card without a title fight. If it were me though, I'd be running Masvidal vs. Colby on PPV say, and Yan vs. Sterling on ESPN the week before or something.

    Couple of good fights tomorrow night. It's actually a decent prospect card really, as a few of the guys on the undercard have shown some good potential like Tom Aspinall and Zalal. Main event is a barnburner though, Sandhagen's pressure and durability vs. Moraes' violence. It's a fight of two halves really, isn't it. I see no way Sandhagen wins if it finishes inside 2 and a half rounds, likewise I see no way Moraes takes it if it goes any longer. Maybe that will come back to haunt me. I'm leaning Moraes taking it violently inside a round, Sandhagen gets hit too much early and while he's durable, I'm not so sure he wants a firefight with Moraes. Looking forward to Barboza's second stab at featherweight too, I think he can make a run and honestly should probably have had his hand raised the last 2 fights. Mr. Finland is a good opponent but Edson should handle him. Think both fights will be leg kick clinics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Chandler should take it. He should be on the card given he's the reserve, he's going to Abu Dhabi and making weight to fight, why not fight? Knowing he'll be fighting would be good psychologically if he does have to fill in too.

    On the non-title fight card end, it's just that there's 12 of them, so with any luck between 24 and 30 title fights a year. For me I'd be putting everything below 145, men and women, other than Nunes on free TV until they build names, but that's not how they run things. So with 12 PPV's a year, there is seldom space for a card without a title fight. If it were me though, I'd be running Masvidal vs. Colby on PPV say, and Yan vs. Sterling on ESPN the week before or something.
    But then what do you do with Mak if Chandler has to fill in for Khabib or Justin due to failed weight or something that happens just a few days prior to the fight? He'd be left off the card in general.

    He's in a deep enough division to where they can probably snag someone who isn't a top 5 guy or the reserve for the LW title fight to fill in. These guys that are struggling due to the pandemic, there should be a pretty long list of guys that are ready to scrap. This is another high risk low reward fight for guys like Chandler, Ferguson, etc.

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    You bounce him off the card I guess. He's bounced anyway at this point. Most likely is Dariush but given he missed weight last time maybe a short notice gig wouldn't be smart. Then there's Dober (big 155 too), CDR, Do Bronx and at a push Ragin Al. If they did the Chandler fight and Chandler stepped up to the main event, they'd just reschedule Mak and RDA for later in the year and pay him his show money.

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    CDR and Dober had their fight rescheduled to November that's still good to go.

    But there's all the guys that have been mentioned here or called out specifically. Felder's not booked at the moment either.

    Surely someone.. maybe..

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    Genuinely don't like to nitpick ref decisions, but I thought Moraes deserved at least a bit more benefit of the doubt than that.

    It wasn't 'criminal', not sure it was even a 'robbery', and the result may regardless have just turned out as it did, but I feel like it was simply disagreeable. And in that way just a damn shame.

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    Seemed a touch early, wasn’t knocked out (no heavy landing and rolled with it) and wasn’t given the opportunity to grab for anything on the ground, but probably wouldn’t have been any different. Some great finishes though.

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    Very impressed by Sandhagen. One of those performances where you wonder whether that Sterling result was an anomaly and just a perfect combination of Sandhagen overconfidence in his ground defense mixed with a surprising fast start from Aljimain. He's really good. Moraes is an excellent fighter and it was never competitive. I like the call out too, Dillashaw and Edgar are both great options for him and you'd think likely too, with the other probably fighting Cruz. For me, despite Dillashaw being a cheating bastard, he's the best 135er in UFC history (Cruz trumping him overall mind), so beating him would be a great scalp. And I want Edgar vs. Cruz, or even Aldo vs. Cruz. It's an excellent division though, plenty of talent.

    That knockout by Buckley was outrageous. Comfortably the best of the year, context will determine it's all time ranking as he'll need to kick on from here, but what a finish.

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    Since it's fresh many will consider it one of the best. I definitely think it'll wind up being one of the best. It definitely deserves highlight reel status ala Yves-Punk or Edson-Etim.

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    I was reading Khabib talking about how he turned down coaching TUF against Conor saying "not even for $5 billion"

    Honestly, I'm so out of the loop with TUF A-I didn't know they still did it and B-I didn't know they still did it lol.

    I think TUF has for sure run it's course. After that live edition I was just like, meh. Since season 10 I haven't liked many.

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    Zero desire to see this happen before Jan gets a few defenses under his belt. The division needs rebuilt and unless Izzy is going to stay at 205, this fight needs to rest until the end of 2021.

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    Agreed. 205 is still pretty wide open and Jan should get a chance to hold his ground before any pseudo-super fights.

    Izzy's pretty close to wiping out MW but there's still Cannonier/Whittaker on the horizon. Would be awfully impressive of him to take the challenge on once he's ready though. I don't think he could hold much more than about 195 or so while he'd be going up against dudes who walk around in the 215-230 range. Still don't like immediate title shots by and large. If he can beat a Rakic or a top 5 guy then so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Agreed. 205 is still pretty wide open and Jan should get a chance to hold his ground before any pseudo-super fights.

    Izzy's pretty close to wiping out MW but there's still Cannonier/Whittaker on the horizon. Would be awfully impressive of him to take the challenge on once he's ready though. I don't think he could hold much more than about 195 or so while he'd be going up against dudes who walk around in the 215-230 range. Still don't like immediate title shots by and large. If he can beat a Rakic or a top 5 guy then so be it.
    Do you think it'll be hard to rebuild the LHW division after being one of the top divisions for pretty much the last 20 years? So many mega stars that transcended the UFC, plus the level of name value over the years if we're just talking the MMA world. When Pride was bought, LHW became insane with talent. The viewing process is everchanging and I honestly don't know anyone who watches UFC through ESPN.

    I was just watching a video that reminded me that it was actually Rashad who was originally set to fight Shogun for the LHW title but Rashad got injured and it came down to the winner of Bader v. Jones. Imagine if Rashad never gets hurt. I think we'd still see Jones as the GOAT LHW, but maybe not as early.

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    I think there are several pieces there to work with and many more matchups to make to try and shake lose a star or two. I don't necessarily see any 'superstar' type characters in waiting though. You're sort of referencing a time when LHW was the glamour weight class full of savages and personalities. It was also when the sport was still in it's infancy. Now the fan base is a bit more skeptical and it takes more to transcend. Jones did it off of an unbelievable run. Conor off of big wins and a much much bigger personality. Ronda did off a great run and impeccable timing. Brock did it because Brock. GSP only barely did it and Anderson only barely did it, and they're both GOAT level. Izzy's on the fence. Khabib is close. Stipe has flirted with it. I think it's just harder to break through today compared to when we were star struck by every other flavor on the rise back then.

    Also Jon Jones neutered the division. Reminds me a bit of when Jordan walked away from basketball. He just took every breath of air with him. It'll take more matchups and some great timing, and it still won't be that heyday level it once was, but we might get another big superstar out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    I think there are several pieces there to work with and many more matchups to make to try and shake lose a star or two. I don't necessarily see any 'superstar' type characters in waiting though. You're sort of referencing a time when LHW was the glamour weight class full of savages and personalities. It was also when the sport was still in it's infancy. Now the fan base is a bit more skeptical and it takes more to transcend. Jones did it off of an unbelievable run. Conor off of big wins and a much much bigger personality. Ronda did off a great run and impeccable timing. Brock did it because Brock. GSP only barely did it and Anderson only barely did it, and they're both GOAT level. Izzy's on the fence. Khabib is close. Stipe has flirted with it. I think it's just harder to break through today compared to when we were star struck by every other flavor on the rise back then.

    Also Jon Jones neutered the division. Reminds me a bit of when Jordan walked away from basketball. He just took every breath of air with him. It'll take more matchups and some great timing, and it still won't be that heyday level it once was, but we might get another big superstar out of it.
    Definitely agree on all points here.

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    Jan has a good story for his first title defence. Either it's a rematch against the last man to beat him (Santos) or it'll be Glover bouncing back at 41 to become the legitimate #1 contender. I don't see the need to rush Israel into the title shot. The winner of Whittaker and Jared next weekend deserves a shot. Yes, he destroyed Rob last year, but Whittaker deserves a rematch if he's beaten 2 top 5 guys since that. Middleweight isn't bristling with contenders but The Joker will be legit if he beats Till. Might need 1 more win after over Romero maybe.

    Looking forward to the main event tonight. Would love Zombie to get a crack at the title. I've said it before but Holloway, Kattar, Zabit, Yair, Zombie and Ortega is a monster division for action fights. Shame Volkanovski is a bit dull, as good as he is.

    Jessica Andrade getting a win would set up one of the only fights I'm interested in for Shevchenko. Chookagian is a bore and got absolutely mauled, then the next in line is Lauren Murphy. Andrade is really good while being must watch TV so the division needs it.

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    Ugh KZ got worked pretty well in that fight. Definitely a tough, tough division. 145-170, these are my favorite divisions and I also feel they have the most depth and variety.

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