We should ask for £50m + Xavi and Guardiola
We will get £8m + Hleb.
I don't think he'll go. I reckon he'll sign a new contract at Arsenal in the next 2 weeks
We should ask for £50m + Xavi and Guardiola
We will get £8m + Hleb.
I don't think he'll go. I reckon he'll sign a new contract at Arsenal in the next 2 weeks
Don't go.
I still can't see him going this summer, these rumours are depressing though.
It's in the Guardian too.
Fabregas wants to leave
YIPPEE! (if true)
30m is being said. Surely he's worth more than that.
He would be worth 60-65 going by the Ronaldo price and the touted Ribery price.
Where the fuck are Barcelona getting the 100 odd million squid they'd need to sign both Fabregas and Villa? The way Barca and Real shell out endless amounts of cash is basically cheating, no other clubs can compete with it because actual laws apply to them.
Makes you wonder if City are gonna come in with stupid money. They might as well.
Oh my goodness I'm going to cry. I might kill if we only get £30m out of it.
If it's true.
£40-45m tops. Ronaldo was the best player in the world, a marquee signing and a genuine, regular matchwinner. Fabregas is a very good team player, one of the best midfielders in the world but not in the same bracket as Ronaldo by any means, nor Kaka despite him flopping this season.
Fabregas is in the top 10, if not top 5 in the world based on the last couple of seasons. If Joleon Lescott is worth £25m, Fabregas is worth at least £50m.
Players who are better than Fabregas, off the top of my head.
Leo Messi
Cristiano Ronaldo
Kaka
Didier Drogba
David Villa
Fernando Torres
Samuel Eto'o
Andres Iniesta
Xavi
Wayne Rooney
Frank Lampard
Wesley Sneijder
That's only including midfielders and strikers as well, as they are likely to be more valuable than goalkeepers and defenders.
Fabregas is a great player and is worth a huge amount of money, but he is simply not one of the top ten footballers in the world, let alone one of the top five. He just about makes into the top five Spanish midfielders, for God's sake.
Also, I wish people would stop using the Lescott example as proof of players' value. It is universally accepted that it was an idiotic price for an average player, pretending this isn't the case to inflate the hypothetical value of another player will fool no one. A more relevant fee would be the £15m Inter paid for Sneijder, or perhaps the £27m Madrid paid for him in 2007.
Last edited by Simon; May 18th, 2010 at 12:46 PM.
Its debatable if is he is in the top five players in the Premier League.
Fabregas is a great player. He's 23, his type of player matures later too. Not like Ronaldo or Rooney, whose influence will probably wane as their physical peak passes them by. Fabregas is one of the top players in the Premier League, easily. Trying to rank them objectively or compare midfielders to strikers is difficult but he's certainly on the level of Lampard and Rooney. Better footballer than either without question.
He's as good or better than Sneijder, will be as good as Xavi and Iniesta. Let's not be silly here, he's an absolutely fantastic footballer who Arsenal have tied down for a long time, has his best years ahead of him and has been improving season after season. He's worth a shitload of money.
Last edited by El Capitano Gatisto; May 18th, 2010 at 2:29 PM.
Can't see him being as good as Xavi or Iniesta. Possible I guess but those two are unbelievable.
I don't think it's debatable at all really, he's right up there with the best and only just behind Drogba and Rooney on performances this season imo.
£50m wouldn't be outlandish at all, he's a virtually ready made replacement for what would otherwise be an exceptionally difficult position to fill, capable of playing for another decade with no real worries about settling in. Barca would be laughing their tits off if they got him for £30m.
You're clutching at straws if you think Sneijder and Eto'o are currently better players than Fabregas. He is only outside of the top 5 in Spain because of the set up. He is better than Silva and Alonso but Spain are actually sensible in the way they set up their team. The only midfielders in the world that are better than him are Xavi and Iniesta.
Of course he can. You probably hadn't even heard of Xavi when he was 23. If you had, you'd know he certainly wasn't the player he is now. Fabregas is Xavi's living heir, except athletically he's probably a bit bigger and quicker, and more of a goal threat if this season is anything to go by (15 league goals in 27 games for fuck's sake).
What's more, if Fabregas leaves it has an enormous impact on Arsenal's squad as a whole. The players there will be wondering about the clubs future. The players they want to sign will wonder why they should bother. Only a fucking monstrous fee could offset the loss Fabregas leaving this summer would be. Arsenal know it's going to happen some day but I would guess they were thinking he'd give it another couple of seasons to see what he could win with them first.
He is the third best midfielder in the world and in the top five footballers in the world. OK.
I know this is all speculation at present but how on earth can we even be considering letting him go for £30m, whether we get Toure or not? Obscene.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Fabregas' role for Spain may be pushing him to move, he would probably move up in stature for the national team if he played in La Liga.
Guys I don't know what to believe or who to turn to.
Ray Parlour, mate.
I bloody loved Ray.
Change of formation next season perhaps? 2 holding midfielders, Chamakh up top and Arshavin, Nasri and RVP supporting.
The only actual quotes from anyone are Fabregas' interview from last week and Laporta's reaction to it.
I still don't believe it just yet. The noises i've heard (for what they're worth) is that Fabregas will sign a new contract at Arsenal in the next week or two.
Simon, don't be an utter pleb. The players you named on the past page are silly. Fabregas is 23. He has 10 years, at least left in him. He has a contract for four of those. Plus Laporta will pay silly money as the only reason he wants Villa and Fabregas is to spite the new president coming in. Thats why he is worth so much.
The issue about his cost and the comparison to those players were different discussions, only partly related. He will not cost £50m and he is not one of the best 10 players in the world.
So potential isn't factored into a transfer fee, no?
WTF I just said they were two discussions. My opinions were:
1) Fabregas is not worth, and will not cost, £50m.
2) Fabregas is not one of the best ten players in the world.
Of course potential is factored into transfer fees. So are a lot of other things which have led to genuine superstars like Ronaldo, Kaka and Zidane costing so much. Fabregas is not on their level, and will not cost anywhere near as much. I'm not sure why you're taking this as a criticism, I'm happy to believe he could go for as much as £40-45m, which would be the fourth highest transfer fee of all time.
The reason he wont go for £50m is because Wenger has (imo a shit) policy of not standing in a players way.
If Villa is going for £39m, then Fabregas should go for more than that based on age, time on contract, and the selling clubs financial situation (Valencia are in no position to play hardball; 21m euros of the fee will go straight to one individual businessman one who they owe).