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    Excellent news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    hahahahaha fuck off.
    Nothing to contribute as always.

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    Yeah but Morrison VHS is in the business bro, he knows how it works because he points a camera and shit
    I'm the opposite of someone that knows how it works.

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    Pro Wrestling Sheet is reporting Mauro will be back this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Nothing to contribute as always.



    I'm the opposite of someone that knows how it works.



    Great news.
    while you contribute nothing AND shit on people with mental health issues. im coming out ahead, dum dum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    while you contribute nothing AND shit on people with mental health issues. im coming out ahead, dum dum.
    Your schtick is tired. You're not kind and you don't rewind.

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    Funny funny stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Your schtick is tired. You're not kind and you don't rewind.
    the dripping irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    the dripping irony.

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    Do you think NXT will drop in ratings now that it's back to the norm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Do you think NXT will drop in ratings now that it's back to the norm?
    That's what I'm interested in finding out. Were people tuning in the last 3-4 weeks due to the crossover? And can they maintain the momentum? The 1st NXT after War Games/Survivor Series did a solid rating again but we know generally the show after a ppv is typically high. Did NXT show enough of what they have to offer to keep growing? I'd like to think so.

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    I just read that on Lillian Garcia's podcast with Tomaso Ciampa where he revealed that if he were to get called up he would have to retire because his body wouldn't be able to handle the demand of the main roster schedule.

    Honestly....Props to him for being real. He's been plagued with serious injuries as far back as I can remember when first seeing him in Ring of Honor years ago. He's already had a serious knee and neck injury and he's not getting any younger. Plus he has a new family. He said he'd like to be a producer or road agent on the main roster, or maybe just do that at the PC or NXT.

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    It’s a different mindset from older generations, I presume. It all boils down to working smarter, not harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    It’s a different mindset from older generations, I presume. It all boils down to working smarter, not harder.
    Or he's just injury prone and understands the reality of the situation. The older generations? Shit half of them are dead, the other half crippled. Why? Because once the painkillers wore off and the money spent on drugs and women stopped coming they realized oh fuck, we just worked ourselves into a wheelchair.

    So I think Tommaso is working smarter, and maybe that's what you meant this whole time and I misunderstood you.

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    He may be smart, but I'm smarter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Or he's just injury prone and understands the reality of the situation. The older generations? Shit half of them are dead, the other half crippled. Why? Because once the painkillers wore off and the money spent on drugs and women stopped coming they realized oh fuck, we just worked ourselves into a wheelchair.

    So I think Tommaso is working smarter, and maybe that's what you meant this whole time and I misunderstood you.
    That is what I meant.

    In addition, to the older generation, HBK would be a part of that older generation. Within that same interview you referenced, Ciampa mentioned how he heard HBK's response to the mindset:

    Ciampa speaking: "[Michaels is] like, ‘I’ve never experienced this in my life when two guys are like keep your money. I don’t want it.’"

    That alludes to the point that the older generation was driven by the money and didn't care what it took or what they had to put into their body in order to get the money. It's different now, to some extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    That is what I meant.

    In addition, to the older generation, HBK would be a part of that older generation. Within that same interview you referenced, Ciampa mentioned how he heard HBK's response to the mindset:

    Ciampa speaking: "[Michaels is] like, ‘I’ve never experienced this in my life when two guys are like keep your money. I don’t want it.’"

    That alludes to the point that the older generation was driven by the money and didn't care what it took or what they had to put into their body in order to get the money. It's different now, to some extent.
    Ok my bad I was thinking you were saying that Ciampa wasn't being smart about this decision because you do hear the older generation contradict themselves. Like Jim Cornette, I was just listening to a clip from one of his recent shows where he talks about how the Young Bucks are going to wind up crippled due to their style and doing all this shit that doesn't mean anything.

    To that I say, fuck it, because when guys worked like Dennis Condrey they fucking died before 40 OR could barely walk. Or Arn Anderson saying the reason guys get hurt more these days is because the schedule is lighter..........Likening it to a pitcher who hasn't pitched a game in awhile then comes back and he's all stiff or whatever he was talking about.

    Tangent I know lol. It's kind of my thing.

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    To me, if you're okay not making the most money imaginable, NXT seems really favorable compared to Raw and Smackdown when looking at WWE.

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    Surely a main eventer like Ciampa is making more than a midcarder like Heath Slater or Drew Gulack on the main roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Surely a main eventer like Ciampa is making more than a midcarder like Heath Slater or Drew Gulack on the main roster.
    I wouldn't be surprised if that were actually incorrect.

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    Yeah we have to remember, NXT is glamorized developmental. It doesn't feel that way in a sense because of the indie talent and the fact that they're now on USA. But it's like a competitive reality tv show. Sometimes you'll find singers who have been on the grind for years, have a real following, they're just unsigned and they win the Voice and now they're broke and back to square 1 because that show doesn't do jack shit for 99% of those who win.

    Anyway

    You have to remember, a lot of these guys/gals had to work for 20-30 different promotions to make 20k before coming to NXT. So when they get signed for 30k/year, that's better than having to travel to 300 different cities in 30 countries in front of 50 people.

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    Makes no sense Dane beats dunne

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Makes no sense Dane beats dunne
    Totally I mean how could a man the size of DAIN beat Dunne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Makes no sense Dane beats dunne
    Why?

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    Xia Li would get more over with me if she dressed like Kitana from Mortal Kombat.

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    Was wondering where Ohno had been.

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    Kushida vs. Grimes should be interesting. I feel like both haven't really clicked well w/ the crowd, but Grimes seems to be getting there quicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Was wondering where Ohno had been.
    He's been on NXT UK semi regularly for a several weeks.

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    Hot ending.

    Another very good show.

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    The shot of Bálor targeting Cole but Lee rising into the frame was magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    He's been on NXT UK semi regularly for a several weeks.
    I loved Ohno's "British Rounds" match with the assistant to NXT: UK's GM. They presented him as a non-wrestler who managed to barely hang with Ohno and work him to a draw at the last possible second.

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    Lee is obviously on a rush right now. He's being treated like a big deal and delivering. Triple threat is going to be a banger. Definitely wouldn't be surprised to see him win the triple threat next week. The top of NXT's roster is just stacked right now.

    I think they've got this timed out right for Shayna and Rhea. I imagine they'll do a great job of hyping that next week and the match should be awesome.

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    Keith Lee and Rhea Ripley are two of my favorites in all of WWE right now. Super stoked to see if Lee gets the title shot and really looking forward to Ripley getting her's.
    Xia Li still needs some polish but I love her.
    I'm starting to dig Grimes.
    Dain needs to stop spitting so much.
    Another top notch episode overall.

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    Considering their isn't another Wednesday between NXT on the 18th and Christmas, the NXT card they put together for that episode had better be a blow away doozy.

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    Week one: 1,179,000 viewers
    Week two: 1,006,000 viewers
    Week three: 891,000 viewers
    Week four: 790,000 viewers
    Week five: 714,000 viewers
    Week six: 698,000 viewers
    Week seven: 580,000 viewers
    Week eight: 813,000 viewers
    Week nine: 750,000 viewers
    Week 10: 916,000 (first week to beat AEW)
    Week 11: 810,000 viewers (higher than AEW)
    Week 12: 845,000 viewers

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    interesting how ratings went up from the previous week but lost barely to AEW. it really is a tight race. This is great for wrestling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    interesting how ratings went up from the previous week but lost barely to AEW. it really is a tight race. This is great for wrestling.
    Yeah last week it wasn't even close, AEW I think had like 600,000+ and NXT was over 800,000. Must have been a lot of fans at Disney on Ice.

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    My guess is Keith Lee wins next Wednesday and he goes up against Cole on the 18th. The way I see this, I think they're building three competent and hot opponents for Cole with the finale happening at Takeover (Bálor, Lee, and Ciampa). Part of me thinks this is riding in the hot hand in the sense that Lee probably has the most momentum but I don't think he's ready to carry the brand as the champion. Cole is and probably makes sense as the guy carrying things until February. I imagine Bálor gets the next crack at Cole, likely with Gargano costing him or just renewing the tension between the two after Cole retains. That leads to Ciampa and Cole at Takeover, likely going towards Ciampa regaining the title. What's interesting in all of this is how do they plan to maintain the momentum for Lee AFTER the 18th? I guess you could totally swap course and have Ciampa win on the 18th, Lee meanders but finds his way back to Cole for Takeover but that's asking a lot for Lee and Ciampa in terms of storylines going after the triple threat.

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    Why can't I find something about Adam Cole that justifies him being NXT champion? He's one of those "top" guys who I can't stop wondering why lol. Even in Ring of Honor, going back to Future Shock, you could tell they had a plan for him over everyone that was coming out of that younger crowd of ROH wrestlers. Putting him up against Matt Hardy, TV title run, wins the ROH title, joins the Bullet Club, and I'm just like....why?

    The guy can wrestle, that's not an issue for me, I can respect ability in the ring and he's delivered more than anyone else in his stable....But I just don't get it beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Why can't I find something about Adam Cole that justifies him being NXT champion? He's one of those "top" guys who I can't stop wondering why lol. Even in Ring of Honor, going back to Future Shock, you could tell they had a plan for him over everyone that was coming out of that younger crowd of ROH wrestlers. Putting him up against Matt Hardy, TV title run, wins the ROH title, joins the Bullet Club, and I'm just like....why?

    The guy can wrestle, that's not an issue for me, I can respect ability in the ring and he's delivered more than anyone else in his stable....But I just don't get it beyond that.
    I'm with you. Dude can go in the ring but is so goddamn bland otherwise. They call him a "playboy" all the time but they never show him doing anything to earn the nickname. He's got no character other than generic heel who's good at wrestling. Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard Kyle O'Reilly on the mic until last night and his little bit alone had more character than anything I've seen out of Cole.

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    I've slowly warmed up to Cole, but I agree that he sits on a pretty fragile pedestal. Take away his place as the head of a stable and the role as a top heel champion... he's pretty generic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    I've slowly warmed up to Cole, but I agree that he sits on a pretty fragile pedestal. Take away his place as the head of a stable and the role as a top heel champion... he's pretty generic.
    I agree. He's always been part of something that is supposed to give you the impression he's the shit. Whether it's a championship, being in a stable, he has a crutch. Super generic.

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    The entire Undisputed Era pretty much feels that way to me. They're all super generic good wrestlers whose only gimmick is they're a stable that has all the belts and are good wrestlers. At least Kyle plays the belt like an air guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    The entire Undisputed Era pretty much feels that way to me. They're all super generic good wrestlers whose only gimmick is they're a stable that has all the belts and are good wrestlers. At least Kyle plays the belt like an air guitar.
    Out of the 4, I'm captivated by Kyle O'reily. Very curious of his journey in the next 2-3 years. Hope he flourishes big time.

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    Bobby Fish actually intrigues me the most. Seems to get hurt a lot though unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    The entire Undisputed Era pretty much feels that way to me. They're all super generic good wrestlers whose only gimmick is they're a stable that has all the belts and are good wrestlers. At least Kyle plays the belt like an air guitar.
    Yep.

    And I could be wrong considering the amount of promos one can do and what commentators might say....but maybe if they made it a point to say that no matter where the 4 of them go, they've all won gold multiple times. Even Roddy, he's a former triple crown winner for Ring of Honor, despite being about as exciting as watching Dean Malenko paint a fence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Bobby Fish actually intrigues me the most. Seems to get hurt a lot though unfortunately.
    That's what you get for having a look inspired by Gavin McGiness. Seriously, any moment Undisputed Era is going to turn into the Proud Boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Out of the 4, I'm captivated by Kyle O'reily. Very curious of his journey in the next 2-3 years. Hope he flourishes big time.
    Like I said earlier, Kyle's few lines on the mic this week showed more character than I've ever heard from the entire group thus far. Came across as such a little turd and way more effective than the prophecy bullshit they're usually rambling about.

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    You're probably the only one. I'm not even sure Rhea Ripley misses that Rhea Ripley.

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    On one hand, cool to see that Rhea Ripley, the real Rip. On the other, I'm so tired of hearing the "I want to inspire little girls" speech from every, single, female wrestler in the WWE that I'm glad she's doing what she's doing.

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    Angel Garza could be a HUGE star in the right situation.

    Oozes charisma and seems to have it

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    I love that "Don't you forget about Keith" has kinda caught on

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    That show was bookended by two fantastic matches. Garza is a star in the making. I originally thought Lee was going to win the main event but not surprised it's Bálor. He's most definitely not going to win but I'm curious to see how they plan to have Cole retain. They showed the rest of UE at the end of the episode and Gargano is still looming. Ciampa didn't take the pin so he's still in the thick of it, which lines up for Takeover. What's next for Lee should be very indicative of how they view the momentum he built up towards Survivor Series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    Angel Garza could be a HUGE star in the right situation.

    Oozes charisma and seems to have it
    He’s a second-generation WWE Superstar.

    His uncle was the second most famous debut in Survivor Series history.


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    Uh... wasn't that Hector Guerrero? Not Garza

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    Shit.

    Eh, they won't lay an egg with this Angel Garza push.

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    I actually prefer it to AEW's hyper-produced overly-scripted bullshit product-placement pandering to simpletons. Nothing feels organic in AEW..and WWE captures that and I, personally, like it

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    Seems like Gargano will cost Balor the match maybe? Or if he isn't ready have Lee and Ciampa interfere leading to a 4 way? Don't think there will be a clean finish either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    Seems like Gargano will cost Balor the match maybe? Or if he isn't ready have Lee and Ciampa interfere leading to a 4 way? Don't think there will be a clean finish either way
    I think Gargano does too but I figure they try to do something creative with Bálor in terms of thwarting the plans of Undisputed Era so he can still come off as someone who was smart enough to account for the attempted shenanigans by them.

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    Bummed I had the CW Title change spoiled by a headline before I watched the show because that match was an absolute banger. Rush has been killing it as Champ and Garza's impressed, as well. Wouldn't mind if they weren't done feuding.

    I liked the progression with Grimes/Mendoza/Kushida.

    Expected Banks to lose so the upset was a nice surprise.

    Yim/Kai was a good fight and that post-match table spot was fucking bananas. Kai's landing in particular was nasty.

    Love Breezango's ever-changing cosplay and Beth's hilarious ditzy remarks about it. Very nice stuff at the end with Breezango showing more aggression and innovation, hope to see them go after the Tag Titles in the new year.

    Carter/Belair was serviceable.

    Wish they'd have rearranged the ad breaks so they didn't have to cut into the main event as much but even so, really good match. I was rooting for Lee but had a feeling it'd be one of the other two, leaning towards Ciampa. Nice way for Balor to win it, I wouldn't be shocked if he took the belt and next week's show saw two title changes to shake things up.

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    I don't think out of 2-3,000 years of watching wrestling have I ever seen the spot Yim and Kai did. AWESOME.

    I'm hoping we get double title changes. I can't stand Cole, he's seriously the most overrated uninteresting champion they've had, maybe ever. I want Balor to win not because I'm one of those "I love heels!" fans but because he is the total package. His promo about how everyone is wanting to wave the NXT flag and take credit whereas he's the one who claims to have made NXT, and that he's kind of his own man like Ciampa was as a heel...I dig that.

    Cole is hiding behind a stable and like Balor said...In NXT, it's like Broadway, there's no hiding. Cole is already being exposed as an overrated talent. He should be a top guy in the midcard at the most.

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    I'll be stunned if Shayna retains. Absolutely stunned.

    I'm a little curious to see if they prolong what I think is the three-act story for Cole and the title. I was originally ending the three acts at Takeover in February but due to the calendar, might as well prolong the finale to April. Ciampa makes the most sense to take to the title away from Cole but Lee has built a ton of momentum up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I'll be stunned if Shayna retains. Absolutely stunned.

    I'm a little curious to see if they prolong what I think is the three-act story for Cole and the title. I was originally ending the three acts at Takeover in February but due to the calendar, might as well prolong the finale to April. Ciampa makes the most sense to take to the title away from Cole but Lee has built a ton of momentum up.
    And we can't deny Balor. Arguably the best wrestler in NXT, fairly over too and I know a lot of people that only know him as FINN BALOR don't know that he can pull off being a dope heel but he can.

    But I think Triple H and co have a soft spot for the guy as they've put the cart behind him especially with what they had him and UE doing building up Survivor Series. Adam Cole is going to be like a smaller Triple H during the Evolution days where people truly want to see him lose the belt but he just keeps squeaking by. And I don't mean that as a positive, I mean people really want to see Adam Cole lose the belt, not because he's a great heel, but because there are better people who can carry the load. BAY BAY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    And we can't deny Balor. Arguably the best wrestler in NXT, fairly over too and I know a lot of people that only know him as FINN BALOR don't know that he can pull off being a dope heel but he can.

    But I think Triple H and co have a soft spot for the guy as they've put the cart behind him especially with what they had him and UE doing building up Survivor Series. Adam Cole is going to be like a smaller Triple H during the Evolution days where people truly want to see him lose the belt but he just keeps squeaking by. And I don't mean that as a positive, I mean people really want to see Adam Cole lose the belt, not because he's a great heel, but because there are better people who can carry the load. BAY BAY
    Did my point seem like I was denying him? Sorry if that was the case. It certainly wasn't that way in a macro sense. It is in the sense of him winning on Wednesday though. I am intrigued to see what his long-term outlook is but the shorter one is most definitely intertwined with Gargano and everyone and their mother should be in on that. That's something that doesn't need the belt involved and it can just be a masterful story both in and out of the ring. I have extremely high hopes for that in 2020. I just don't think Bálor needs to be in the main spotlight at the top right now.

    I'm not going to get into the minutia when it goes to a back and forth on Cole because no one is going to have their opinion swayed, so it's a waste of time to me lol.

    What more interesting to me is the decision between Ciampa and Lee. I don't think I really support this line of thinking but it is kind of interesting - I heard this idea that Lee was pushed because he looks more like a Vince guy and isn't necessarily a Triple H guy to the fullest extent. To elaborate, Triple H sees obvious value in Lee but maybe not in the same way as being one who is at the absolute top of the card and carries the brand. This idea has some surface level credibility in the sense that Lee has essentially done nothing of extreme value since he's been in NXT prior to the build of Survivor Series. They clearly showed in NXT that they're willing to strike while the iron is hot with a guy like Garza and the iron was absolutely hot for Lee going into Wednesday...but they didn't pull the trigger. Some people critiqued that he shouldn't have been the one to take the fall if Bálor was going to be the winner and while I'm rather indifferent in the fact he ate the pin, but it does put a little more substance to the idea that they see a ceiling to Lee's upside. I don't really buy that but it's not something that can automatically be shut down.

    Ciampa does make more sense to be the one to take Cole out: he's pretty much the top face for NXT, he's going for a belt he never lost in the ring, and it's a comeback story. On top of that, you have to worry to some extent (though you do for everyone) that the clock is ticking with Ciampa. You want that redemption rubberstamped with a victory before it has the chance to suddenly be taken away again in devastating fashion.

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    Balor beats Cole and then feud with a returning Velveteen Dream, please.

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    Title scene on NXT is the best on the scene by country miles. So many contenders.

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    Cross-brand or not, Braun Strowman vs Keith Lee needs to happen. Hopefully a Rumble staredown at least to kick things off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Did my point seem like I was denying him? Sorry if that was the case. It certainly wasn't that way in a macro sense. It is in the sense of him winning on Wednesday though. I am intrigued to see what his long-term outlook is but the shorter one is most definitely intertwined with Gargano and everyone and their mother should be in on that. That's something that doesn't need the belt involved and it can just be a masterful story both in and out of the ring. I have extremely high hopes for that in 2020. I just don't think Bálor needs to be in the main spotlight at the top right now.

    I'm not going to get into the minutia when it goes to a back and forth on Cole because no one is going to have their opinion swayed, so it's a waste of time to me lol.

    What more interesting to me is the decision between Ciampa and Lee. I don't think I really support this line of thinking but it is kind of interesting - I heard this idea that Lee was pushed because he looks more like a Vince guy and isn't necessarily a Triple H guy to the fullest extent. To elaborate, Triple H sees obvious value in Lee but maybe not in the same way as being one who is at the absolute top of the card and carries the brand. This idea has some surface level credibility in the sense that Lee has essentially done nothing of extreme value since he's been in NXT prior to the build of Survivor Series. They clearly showed in NXT that they're willing to strike while the iron is hot with a guy like Garza and the iron was absolutely hot for Lee going into Wednesday...but they didn't pull the trigger. Some people critiqued that he shouldn't have been the one to take the fall if Bálor was going to be the winner and while I'm rather indifferent in the fact he ate the pin, but it does put a little more substance to the idea that they see a ceiling to Lee's upside. I don't really buy that but it's not something that can automatically be shut down.

    Ciampa does make more sense to be the one to take Cole out: he's pretty much the top face for NXT, he's going for a belt he never lost in the ring, and it's a comeback story. On top of that, you have to worry to some extent (though you do for everyone) that the clock is ticking with Ciampa. You want that redemption rubberstamped with a victory before it has the chance to suddenly be taken away again in devastating fashion.
    Oh no man I was just adding to it.

    I like Ciampa regaining the belt but as a heel. If he was a little more durable I'd have faith they could drag it out to Mania weekend.

    Keith Lee taking the pin....well someone had to and he's the newest of the 3 so I think they realize a slow burn is acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Title scene on NXT is the best on the scene by country miles. So many contenders.
    That goes for both the NXT Title and the NXT Women's Title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    That goes for both the NXT Title and the NXT Women's Title.
    Definitely.

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    More excited for the Women's Title match tonight than i was for the entire TLC PPV. Gonna be a banger and gonna lose my shit when Rhea wins it. Hells yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    More excited for the Women's Title match tonight than i was for the entire TLC PPV. Gonna be a banger and gonna lose my shit when Rhea wins it. Hells yeah.
    I think it's a sign of confidence in her (and Shayna) that they'll presumably be the main event spot for the evening. They've earned it. That division has arguably been the best thing going between both Wednesday shows since they started and Rhea is a rising star.

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    NXT women’s division is godly ridiculous. Spoilt for choice with the talent.

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    Dakota Kai’s heel turn and new look is just delicious.

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    Finn/Cole... loving this

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    They had some low-key nice matches on that show other than the two title matches. Tremendous booking for Ripley over the last several weeks. She's 23...goodness. Let's see what she can do at the top of the card now.

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    Woot woot! Hell of a main event, what a win, great moment. Rhea is Queen Badass.

    Cole/Balor was good but my stream cut a chunk and skipped right to Gargano already out there and the last bit of the match so it kind of fucked it up for me.

    I rather enjoy Kushida and Grimes feuding over a hat. Would love the feud to culminate with a ladder match for the hat.

    Banks/Dunn was real good. Most of the NXT UK guys seem pretty bland to me but the wrestling's probably good so I might still check out Worlds Collide.

    Other matches were serviceable and solid.

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    What a great show.

    Rhea is amazing. Hell of a match and great that they pulled the trigger with Rhea here. She's such a star.

    Cole/Balor, Kushida/Grimes and Dunne/Banks were all really good too. Glad that Grimes got a big win. He's a favourite of mine.

    Love Dark Io. Rhea/Io at the next Takeover would be delightful.

    And whilst Mauro's constant forced references are really annoying, I prefer his passion, knowledge and play-by-play to JR's apathy, mistakes and repetitive stock phrases at the moment.
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    "Pulling the strings like Tom Morrello" and the "Red Right Hand" reference were so stupid they are officially cool. Mauro's the best announcer after Mike Quackenbush, Scott Holladay, or Sidney Bakabella (whoever commentates for Chikara and calls it down the middle)

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    I imagine there's going to have to be some inclusion of NXT UK for the Dusty Classic because I don't think they've got more than 4-5 tag teams on NXT proper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I imagine there's going to have to be some inclusion of NXT UK for the Dusty Classic because I don't think they've got more than 4-5 tag teams on NXT proper.
    I hope Imperium will be used. But they usually form teams with singles wrestlers in the classic. It's not just tag teams. I think Keith Lee and Dominik Dijakovic will be a team. Maybe even Ciampa and Gargano will form a team for this and lose because of a distraction from Finn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I hope Imperium will be used. But they usually form teams with singles wrestlers in the classic. It's not just tag teams. I think Keith Lee and Dominik Dijakovic will be a team. Maybe even Ciampa and Gargano will form a team for this and lose because of a distraction from Finn.
    Agree on the first suggestion for makeshift team, am skeptical on the second one. Maybe it gets teased but is ultimately stalled. Just looking at the last two editions, they go with one makeshift team, so I imagine Lee/Dijakovic should be that pairing. A form of Imperium (before it was established) was in it last year so I imagine they will be back. Any form of British Strong Style is a thumbs up for me, too. I'd like them in but I won't be surprised if another UK team is added with Imperium over BSS.

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    Glad to see they seem to be consistent in the ratings. Apart from one low week (7), they have to be happy with these numbers.

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    the better show prevailed this week. there really isn't an argument as to what show was better top to bottom. it's odd they didn't feature Moxley at all this week. Not a good idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    the better show prevailed this week. there really isn't an argument as to what show was better top to bottom. it's odd they didn't feature Moxley at all this week. Not a good idea
    You could almost say they punted full acknowledgement that Moxley would be on the show altogether since Jericho mentioned the first episode of 2020. Sure, Moxley could have a squash match but everything was geared towards that episode for him. In hindsight, that's not smart if you're going to make your last episode of 2019 a big deal.

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    The Dusty Classic Should be:

    - The Forgotten Sons
    - Breezeango
    - Damian Priest and Killian Dane
    - Keith Lee and Donovan Dijackovic
    - Lio Rush and Angel Garza
    - Imperium
    - British Strong Style
    - The Grizzled Young Veterans


    I don't know who'd I'd have win out of that field of 8 teams. But there's a good combination of real teams and thrown-together teams to make it really fun.

    Hell, swap out somebody for Isiah "Swerve" Scott and say Kushida, and you'd have a really fun field.

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    Just caught up with NXT, all really good matches. Gargano’s return was well done and I’m glad Ripley/Bayzler didn’t have the Horsewomen run in when the ref went down. Amazing ending sequence and moment for Ripley.

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    A year from NXT should be consistently pulling in at least a 1.5. They need a few more Balor level names to come over to make it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    A year from NXT should be consistently pulling in at least a 1.5. They need a few more Balor level names to come over to make it happen.
    They already do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    They already do.
    They're bringing in a million and a half viewers a week? Sorry I should have worded that better because getting a 1.5 rating doesn't mean 1 and a half million viewers.

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    I'm not sure how much ratings growth they're going to do, given the high amount of WWE network watchers and general regular ratings decline across TV in general.


    That said, they've shown strong consistency and it feels like their strength in putting on a weekly 2 hour is increasing. The lack of monthly PPVs helps with quality of TV.

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    I do think going up to 1.5 is quite a challenge. That's breaking the norm of viewership dropping, as Mazer noted. There would need to be a lot of things that work in their favor for that to happen (such as the proper WWE shows really bottoming out to new, unfathomable heights, AEW really hitting the fan, and more). I presume some could happen but not enough to get to that threshold. That said, I imagine 750-950k is a pretty sustainable range of outcomes with potential to hit that top range on a decent basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    They're bringing in a million and a half viewers a week? Sorry I should have worded that better because getting a 1.5 rating doesn't mean 1 and a half million viewers.
    No, I mean they already have a few more Balor level names to make it happen. 1.5 million is a pretty tough nut to crack though.

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