Thats her leg post surgery.
Thats her leg post surgery.
- Awesome Kong is on WWE's radar still, according to a few officials. She'd likely come on board after Wrestlemania and would work at FCW to build a debut under her original name of Amazing Kong, or simply Kong, on the Smackdown brand. This is far from official at this point, but simply the rundown from someone in WWE pushing to make this happen. She would come on board as a sort of "anti-Diva," but Vince isn't yet sold on the idea - but is "receptive." [source: WrestlingNewsWorld Premium]
Good golly I want that to happen SO MUCH.
I hope they go with Amazing Kong, it just sounds better.
Kong going to Smackdown would have a lot of potential if done right. Phoenix/Kong feud, much?
Plus, if Kong joins WWE, they could always start up the Kim/Kong feud again, although that's doubtful considering Gail is such a low priority to WWE.
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Why does the idea that Vince may not be sold on the concept of an "anti-diva" not surprise me? Is it so hard to have a woman on TV that's a bit different? Maybe having a bald woman and a large woman would be too much on one show for him.
Shame to see Mickie's hurt, but glad it looks like the treatment is going well. I wonder what Snitsky would think of that picture...
I would give my left ear to see Kong give Michelle McCool an Awesome Bomb.
She has long toes. Hope she gets better soon.Originally Posted by jpowers_55
Thats her leg post surgery.
I'd love Gail vs Kong again in a WWE setting with them showing how women can wrestle.
Or they can take this chance and finally push Kelly Kelly as the next Trish Stratus and make Kong as a "Jazz"
Kelly should probably do something to deserve that push first.
Like get naked.
It certainly jump-started Trish's career.
I thought Trish's career was already well on the way before she dropped a towel in front of Vince on RAW.
Like learn to be a better wrestler
That was the implication, yes.
Looks like Melina is finally using her Twitter.
Kelly Kelly beating Kong legitimately would probably be the toughest sell WWE could ever make on me. Kong looks like she could break Kelly's bones just by looking at her the wrong way.
Or get naked.
Trish never got fully naked.
I've checked.
Lots.....
I've got to go with Vice here...
Getting naked really is her best option. In fact, that should be how she solves any problem.
So, an "I can't have my clothes and brain on at the same time" gimmick?
Wasn't this Kelly's gimmick in the first place?
WWE's list this on wwe.com listed the 25 most influential divas of all time...
I love #1, but seriously? Over MOOLAH, on a list based on being influential??
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I pretty much agree with the list. But Im sure someone will rant that Michelle is too high up. Trish is hands down the most influetial diva of all time. Actually Mickie is a little high up on the list IMO.
On another note I wonder what are the chances of Sable ever hosting RAW. She left on good terms her last run.
I don't think that's too unreasonable considering who she's ranked above. Michelle McCool over Richter, Elizabeth, Medusa, Young? She has improved considerably, but Michelle wasn't even relevant until about two years ago.
But I'd complain that the list placed several of the older, pre-Attitude era women too low, not just under Michelle but even under newer stars like Melina and Mickie. And Lita should definitely be above Mickie.
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Im not sure how much influence Madusa had. Both companies(wcw/wwf) got rid of their women's division immediately after she was champ. Mae
Young was largely irrelevant until MArky Henry,The Dudley's,etc were involved. I do agree she shouldn't be above Wendi.
I am a McCool fan and I think she is much too high. She's done very little that I would call influential at this point. Beth Phoenix should be higher.
Okay, So McCool is more influential than Wendi Richter? I watched some St.Louis classic wrestling yesterday and that women went from then being the half of the NWA women tag team champion to wrestling on WrestleMania 1 to beat Moolah for the WWF women title(And Moolah had the longest title reign to boot) and became the most popular women wrestler back in 1985. There is no way that I can think that McCool is more influential than Wendi Ricther.
So i guess it was Impactful and not Influential. However, same difference
I think Madusa has had a fair amount of influence. For the two years she was in the WWE, she was the closest thing the reinstated division had to a star, and she was popular enough that they brought in talent from Japan just to feud with her. When she went to WCW, she trained all of their women at the Power Plant and won the Cruiserweight Title as well. I mean, didn't Trish essentially steal the Stratusphere from her? I think she's done more to be influential than Michelle.
In Mae Young's case, I get your point. However, she does have an entire career behind her before she joined WWE as a comedy act. Although she didn't join WWF until 1999, she did play a role in the formative years of women's wrestling back in the 40's and 50's, which got featured in that documentary Lipstick and Dynamite, and did lend her credibility to being inducted into the WWE's Hall of Fame even though she was nothing more than a few laughs onscreen for them.
No Victoria? Why? Is it because she now wrestles for that "other company"? She should have been on the list. She was a 2 time champion, was the first to wrestle in a steel cage match, had a hot feud with Trish and had a great character.......... as a heel of course.
I'm sure she would have been on the list if she wasn't in TNA right now.
Telling the company that bred you and made you a star that you are retiring from the profession to pursue outside interests, and then join another wrestling company a few months down the line, is not looked well upon. Regardless of how she was used at the end of her tenure, she should have just been straight forward with them.
That was one sad armbar.
Yeah, the second Eve locked it in, Maryse tapped out. Should have been held a bit longer. Or Eve should have done her moonsault instead. I'm not totally sold on the submission move, yet.
PS- Cole called Gail Kim a former two time women's champion... was he acknowledging her reign with the Knockout title as well? Otherwise, he misspoke because she has only held gold one time in WWE.
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He said that last week as well. I think that's Cole just being Cole because they wouldn't acknowledge TNA on-air.
Yeah i noticed that at the PPV but thought it was incorrect, i doubt they would acknowledge the TNA reign, most likely him thinking she has held it twice.
I quite enjoyed this weeks diva's tag match, and Gail looked great in the match. Its just a shame there really isn't anything happening on Raw appart from the random tag matches, they have some great talent but no feud, no storyline, no reason for the fans to really get into the womens matches. I guess they may be pushing Eve for a bit as she's won the past two weeks, and made Maryse tap out. It were quite refrshing to see a divas match end in submision, but I agree that Maryse tapped out two early.
So if they are going to push Eve then instead of have her win a random tag each week do something interesting to make the fans want to watch the match. Have them feud up until the PPV after Wrestlemania (is it still called Backlash?) with decent build-up, maybe next week Maryse could face Kelly Kelly which ends in DQ after Maryse refuses to let go of a submission hold, Eve comes down to run Maryse off. And at Wrestlemania event instead of a match for the divas titles as I assume they'll do something with the womens title, then something could go down backstage in the Divas locker-room between Eve and Maryse and they get split up by the other divas.
Then once Melina is back I'm sure she'll instantly be put in the title picture, although I'd love for Gail or Jillian to get an interesting push.
Looking at the top25 most influential women in WWE history brought back some good memorys. I'm glad that they included Ivory, Molly, Jaqueline and Luna. I were suprised to see Torrie and Stacy on there though. And as someone mentioned would we ever see Sable guest host sometime, I'd say probably not but anything can happen in WWE. I could see Sunny as a guest host sometime however.
Speaking of Luna, with her uncle being unducted into this years HOF I hope we see her at the event.
I wrote an article about this recently. I think sexier moves are in order and less of a reliance of trying to model the men.
Yeah, no need for them to be seen as credible athletes.
With a username like that, that opinion does not surprise me.
I have recently just started back up watching the WWE and it's just a complete 180 than the Diva's I remember (Jackie, Ivory, Molly Holly, Trish) Maybe I am missing something with the Raw Divas, but I actually do enjoy Smackdown's women's division right now even if they are lacking numbers. They actually have a sort of stability (I really enjoy Michelle McCool and Layla).
Also maybe it's my obsession with the greatness of the SES, but seeing Serena makes my Smackdown experience much more enjoyable.
Hey, most probably don't remember me (probably cuz I've stopped posting lol) but I've done my research on the FCW divas, and I've fallen in love with Naomi Night. She may not be the best wrestler, or have the best look of allt he FCW divas, but she's pretty good for a rookie and she's gots loads of charisma. Also, since Serena Deeb is on Smackdown now I think they are preping her as the top heel diva on the show. I also love AJ Lee, and want to marry her.... damn you Jay Lethal. Her and Naomi Night have great chemistry as well.
SD
SD greatness <3
I just watched SD! from last week and Beth looked amazing. Vickie could really get Beth over as a face should they feud. I'd like to see Michelle vs Beth at Mania but I doubt they'd go that route since they've developed a tradition of having every Diva in the WWE participate in the same match in some form.
I've seen people call Lay-Cool a ripoff of TBP in TNA but I think Lay-Cool is better than TBP aside from the entrances ofcourse. And add Vickie to Lay-Cool and you might have the greatest women's stable of all time, though there aren't many.
The problem I have with Lay-cool, aside from McCool not being very good on the mic yet, is there just plan annoying. At first they could be a copy of the BP, but now they seem to have devolved into children in there personality. As bratty and stuck up the BP are, they atleast acted like adults. Lay-Cool act more like 14 year olds and it just comes off as annoying.
But they're supposed to be annoying, that's why people hate The Miz.
The difference is Miz is annoying because he's a jerk, Laycool are annoying because there gimmick is irritating.
There are a lot of times Miz acts like a child, and is annoying. The whole "Really? Really?" thing is more to be annoying than to be a jerk.
Team LayCool acting like a couple of bratty high school (or younger) girls is exactly why they are brilliant. They're egotistical, childish bitches who think they're cool and have their own inside jokes, etc. and I think it's a great little duo.
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I can see where you're coming from on this. Sometimes I think Lay-cool are annoying because at times it seems they try a little too hard and they go overboard with the gimmick. It happens, like when it got annoying seeing Austin stun everyone after sharing a beer with them. It became redundant and expected, and things like that annoy me after awhile.
Still, I do like the pairing. You can compare them to TBP, but the only comparison I see that's justified is the fact it's a female team which is extremely rare in mainstream wrestling. Unless you count the horrid Bella Twins. Lay-cool are more sophomoric with their act whereas TBP are what Lay-cool would have been like in 2001 WWE.
It's been awhile!
Great smackdown segment...I'm hoping for Beth vs. Michelle at WM.
Loved that match/segment. Beth Phoenix's aggressive version of her taunt was bad ass! I'm also really liking Michelle McCool's attires, they're just very unique and really nice to look at. Tiffany Terrell surprised me ... but you see, they should be doing this with ALL the moderately-trained females ... keep matches basic and simple, let them be aggressive but don't have them experiment outside their comfort zone. Thumbs up!
I actually prefer McCool being cocky and aggressive (like she was upon the beginning of her latest heel turn). It suits her much more as it also reflects on her in-ring style.
She just doesn't fit that school girl bratty role. She comes across forced and unnatural. I don’t mind Layla with that character though. It’s a good contrast to the arrogant McCool, and it works for the both of them.
Ummmmmmmmm. Whats the ECW GM doing wrestling on Smackdown?
Promotion?
ECW was replaced with NXT, so she is no longer a general manager.
Good women's segment this week on Smackdown, but I hope Beth doesn't connect with the Glam Slam on Vickie in the future because that would be really ugly.
I see Wendi Richter, who was actually a mainstream personality of sorts for a few minutes in the mid-80's, with that mainstream viability being a major building block for the first Wrestlemania, ranked behind numerous people who Joe/Jane Public, Age 35, has never heard of in his or her entire life, so I'm calling Basic Satellite on this whole list.
Christ, in some extremely loose definition of the word, Maria's less than 48 hours away from being more "influential" than most of this list could ever have dreamed of being...and in that sense, Stacy Keibler's probably way too low.
It does amuse me to no end that Trish Stratus is somehow the most influential women's wrestler of all time, despite the fact spent half of her WWE run as nothing but T&A and some of it barking like a dog to please a man.
Whereas without Moolah, women's wrestling in this country would not exist.
Yeah -- that nearly 3 decade run as women's champion? Disregard it. Trish Stratus looked better.
Shit, if being the biggest hottie in the business at a peak time is a major criteria, she and Sunny probably need to swap places altogether.
I bet you Sunny and Sable had more influence on how WWE hired women from that point on than anyone else ever did.
I really hope that if Beth and Michelle get a wrestlemania match they get a good solid build up, with the type of reaction Vickie Guerrero can generate it could be a great "wrestlemania" moment if Beth gets a chance to get her hands on her.
Hopefully they wont try and put Eve and Maryse on the card.
Nah, I bet they save that feud for the night following WM or the next PPV. Someone mentioned something about maybe a backstage segment with Eve and Maryse at WM. I would like that much better than a match at this point. Beth/Michelle/Vickie/Layla (Mickie/Tiffany??) interest me much more at this point.
I'm thinking they'll go with Beth Pheonix and Tiffany vs. Michelle McCool and Vickie Guerrero (add Mickie James and Layla to the match if Mickie is healed in time). If not that, something very similar with those six women involved. That's almost the entire Smackdown diva roster with only Natalya and Serena missing, and Serena will no doubt be in Punk's corner for his match.
The way the Raw divas have been booked, they don't deserve to make the card, so they should end up in some kind of battle royal before Wrestlemania goes live. That would be better than turning the Smackdown women's match into a Divas Lumberjack match. That takes too much away from the actual match, and the Smackdown divas actually have a good chance of having a worthwhile match this year.
Well when people think of womens wrestling, Trish is the first person they think of and when women wrestlers today and those breaking into the business mention thier inspiration, its usually Trish that they mention. So her being on the top is not undeserved.
Of course women today say that.
What about every woman who broke into the business BEFORE 2003?
Trish and Lita I believe mention Moolah. A few women also mentioned Miss Liz and Sherri
Indeed.
All 4 belong in the top 4. But to have Trish at number one is absolute present day bias.
Well to be fair, there are a lot of women on that list that are higher than they should be.
Most of them really don't belong on it at all.
There probably aren't more than 15 influential women's wrestlers ever.
True, very true.
Here is a little goofy video of Mickie singing with Jeff Hardy
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Watching SmackDown, Beth going ballistic and clobbering the heels was tremendous and the crowd was loving it. Man they were rabid for her to deck Vickie. Great stuff,Beth.
Beth vs. Michelle at Mania please.
I'd love to see Beth win the belt and defend it for a bit as the dominant diva, and then have Awesome Kong show up as the even more dominant diva.
I'd much rather Beth/Natalya.Watching SmackDown, Beth going ballistic and clobbering the heels was tremendous and the crowd was loving it. Man they were rabid for her to deck Vickie. Great stuff,
Beth vs. Michelle at Mania please.
I'd love to see Beth win the belt and defend it for a bit as the dominant diva, and then have Awesome Kong show up as the even more dominant diva.
Natalya's the best part of the Hart Dynasty. She really should get more match time.
Where is Terri Runnels, Jazz and Victoria?
I'm also glad to see they didn't ignore Jacqueline and Ivory like I thought they did. JAckie and Ivory don't deserve a top 10 listing but Jackie, Molly, Ivory should be a little higher. Also Miss Elizabeth should be placed way above Melina and Michelle McCool. Michelle does not even deserve that top 10 spot. This list is questionable with some rankings. I mean Marlena aka Terri was very influential and did a lot for the company and doesn't deserve to be ignored.
What did she do for the business, exactly?
I'd say Jackie deserved her spot. 1st black women's champ. Great manager to Harlem Heat,The Taskmaster,and Marc Mero. Not to mention being a part of the first all female stable I can remember with PMS.
PMS is one of the most ridiculously terrible things that WWE ever did to women.
I hope it wasn't influential.
I don't remember Pretty Mean Sisters much, what sort of nonsense did they get up to?
They had a man slave named Meat that they teased so he'd have an erection all match long.
They only existed because men are like, so mean.
They were named PMS for fuck's sake.
I remember them having a feud with Ivory at one point, Terri Runnels burnt her with her ciggar. I they also came down during a Sable s Ivory match to distract Ivory. I prefered Vince's Devils to PMS.
Wow that list is total bullshit. They should have left the word "influential" out of the title, but even then, what the hell is Michelle McCool doing in the top 10?
How Stephanie McMahon made it that high up is beyond me....She was terrible.
She's the first woman to book a national wrestling promotion, and was part of one of the most female friendly storylines (Triple H/Kurt Angle/Stephanie love triangle) in wrestling history.
That's a tad more influential and important than wrestling some matches on the undercard of shows that nobody remembers.
I don't remember Vince's Devils doing anything other than the implication that they were all boning Vince, of course.
The point is there were no female stables before them. Vince's Devils, TBP, The Kongtourage,etc were all post PMS.
Gee, what an example they set then, if Vince's Devils and the Kongtourage spawned from them.
So they influenced a group of women demeaning themselves for a man in some obtuse power struggle, and group of women grouped together for no reason than that they were all the non white women in the company.
Sweet. Give 'em a trophy.
How many people outside of the "know" actually know she books?
She was terrible in that storyline. In all storylines really. I never liked Stephanie, she is in the Orlando Jordan/Mr. Kennedy/Funaki/Lex Luger category of people I just can't stand one bit.
Not sure if any of her work as an on t.v. character were influential, and again, barely anyone knows that she books wrestling so I doubt she's on that list so high because of what she does behind the scenes. If she was, then Linda should be on that list higher than her for being the CEO of the biggest wrestling promotion in the world.
I think the WWE has established that Stephanie McMahon has power in the storylines as well. She and HHH were leaders in that McMahon-Helmsley Faction, she bought ECW to be a leader (along with Shane) against the WWE in the Invasion angle, she's the first (Maybe second) General Manager of Smackdown as well.
All of that in addition to her (and all of the other McMahons) making matches here and there because McMahons have power.
Linda should be on this list high, you're right.
Everything else you said is kind of irrelevent, since you say yourself that your memories are clouded by this oddly fervent bias.
In what manner was Steph terrible in the Trips/Kurt love triangle? I'm not a big fan of hers, but I thought she did a really good job in that role. And you not liking her doesn't negate all the influence she has had in the WWE. She's basically second in command creatively, answering only to Vince, and whether the audience know that or not (and they largely have made that clear) is irrelevant to what she has actually done.
Since when did we have to be unbiased? Trust me, I've tried to see the positives, and outside of her big titties I don't see anything....on screen. Behind the scenes she could be doing some good stuff, but I don't think WWE was implying any of the stuff that happens behind the scenes when making that list.
So you thinking she did a good job means what to me? I just don't think she's good at all, everything she's done feels forced, nothing comes across as natural. Not to mention she was extremely overexposed up until Orton did us a favor and put her out of the Raw GM role. I prefer her to be backstage with her annoying voice and horrid acting.
Like I said, I doubt that the WWE were taking into account what people do backstage when making that list. And they rarely talk about her role backstage, I'd be blown away if someone who didn't read up on the internet knew what she actually did behind the scenes. The WWE didn't even make it clear that her and Trips were actually married until the Orton-McMahon storyline, prior to that, the 3-4 rerences ever made were done as an inside joke.
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If you don't think she has ever contributed anything on screen then I don't know what to tell you.
Aside from the fact that I fervently disagree with you in every possible way.
As for the backstage, WWE has a very loose grip on kayfabe these days, and I think that most of the people who would be reading this list are also aware of her role in the company to some extent.
I think the list is supposed to be from a kayfabe standpoint, otherwise Linda and Steph would be number 1 and number 2, wouldn’t they? With that said, the Stephanie TV character has held numerous positions and has always been highly visible.
I think Moolah should have been number one, based on her longevity and various championship accomplishments. I love Trish but Moolah would seem to stand alone in terms of North American/WWE womens wrestling.
Terri Runnels did more than Kelly Kelly based on her run with Goldust alone. I would also rank Lita higher than Mickie James considering her really only being rivalled by Trish Stratus in terms of popularity during the Attitude Era, which was the highest profile era for WWE.
The Michelle McCool placement is just silly. What has she done to be so influential aside from sleeping with the Undertaker? I’m definitely not sure what she did to be more influential than Miss Elizabeth, who was the centrepiece of some of the biggest WWE angles of all time.
I'd put Stephanie maybe at 15 if we consider her on-screen character and what she brought tot he table and what her actual INFLUENCE was. When you don't really like a character it's pretty hard to justify in an unbiased fashion why they are where they are.
I feel Sunny was 100x more influential than her and pretty much everyone else above her, but I'm not expecting most to agree.
I never said what I think should mean anything to you, I asked you what makes you think she did a terrible job in her role during the Triple H/Kurt Angle angle. You still haven't really done that, just said that you didn't think she was good and that everything she's done has felt forced, which is very vague and doesn't address her actions during the angle at all.
You realise this list was on the internet, right? And she was the daughter of the owner of the company, you could never get away from that fact, and the power that implicitly came with it. There's no way the audience in general could not know she was significantly important.Like I said, I doubt that the WWE were taking into account what people do backstage when making that list. And they rarely talk about her role backstage, I'd be blown away if someone who didn't read up on the internet knew what she actually did behind the scenes. The WWE didn't even make it clear that her and Trips were actually married until the Orton-McMahon storyline, prior to that, the 3-4 rerences ever made were done as an inside joke.
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