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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Good on him. Ostriches are useless anyway, with their heads buried in the sand all day and all that.
    Go back and watch Blackadder, he and Baldrick explain the origins of the war perfectly. Basically it was too much effort not to have a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    I am pretty sure on RAW this week they announced her from Toronto,Ontario.
    WWE.com bills her from Toronto too, now. Interesting.

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    Blackadder somehow passed me by in its heyday.

    Sometimes I catch it on G.O.L.D. though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Good on him. Ostriches are useless anyway, with their heads buried in the sand all day and all that.
    That's actually a myth, so I think you ought to give ostriches another chance.

    Also, it looks like we're in the divas thread, so I'm not sure why all you folks have been talking about this other stuff (including Vice, a mod, GASP!). Now, talk about boobies, or move along!

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    I wasn't being serious myth.

    Jillian has tremendous boobies and should be pushed more.

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    Push them any farther and they'll fall out.

    Anything of Mickie's album or single leaked yet? I'd be interested in what her voice would sound like in a clean recording.

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    I think you were. I had some ostriches tell me the other day you don't give them a second glance and it hurts them.

    Serena's got some massive jugs. I also seem to think she was in a dream I had last night, but it was nothing sexual (unfortunately), I just remember talking to her or something.

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    Am I odd for thinking Serena is even hotter without the hair?

    Maybe it's because the no hair draws more attention to the boobies.
    Last edited by Badger; February 13th, 2010 at 4:37 PM.

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    I once had a dream where Trish was teaching me how to wrestle. Fun times. I got pretty good at the ol' snapmare.

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    Back when I went to Dundee uni, I had a bream that I was on the Blair-Dundee bus and Trish got on and asked to sit next to me. I fained in the dream and woke up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Am I odd for thinking Serena is even hotter without the hair?

    Maybe it's because the no hair draws more attention to the boobies.
    Nahh you're not odd for thinking that. She pulls off the shaved look quite fine. I wonder if she has other body parts that are shaved as well.

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    Probably her legs and armpits, I bet.

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    Go a bit higher.

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    Her chest? thats just wrong.

    Actually she should grow her armpit hair. That would be great and would match CM Punk nicely.

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    I like that Punk's gimmick is shaving people's heads, while he is throwing down a lovely full head of lustruous hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpowers_55 View Post
    Go a bit higher.
    Higher than her armpits? But Punk already shaved her head...

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    So we have a Diva's Championship match this Sunday at Elimination Chamber, and there was not one single mention of it on RAW. Really?

    I don't see how any one single person can be interested in this "feud" and will even care about the match. We have been given no reason to cheer Gail and boo Maryse, seeing as how they have hardly appeared on RAW, and when they have they were given basically 2 minutes.

    What a complete waste of a tournament, and what a complete waste of Maryse & Gail. Just terrible!

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    The women were where they belonged on Raw - as arm pieces for great human beings like Chris Masters and Jack Swagger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post
    So we have a Diva's Championship match this Sunday at Elimination Chamber, and there was not one single mention of it on RAW. Really?

    I don't see how any one single person can be interested in this "feud" and will even care about the match. We have been given no reason to cheer Gail and boo Maryse, seeing as how they have hardly appeared on RAW, and when they have they were given basically 2 minutes.

    What a complete waste of a tournament, and what a complete waste of Maryse & Gail. Just terrible!
    It's the Raw divas, why are you so surprised?

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    I really wanted Gail to win but seeing as she has now wrestled every single Heel women on RAW i can't see it happening.

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fA85sSvwzA[/ame]

    Mickie's first single.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneColdChris View Post
    It's the Raw divas, why are you so surprised?
    Normally I would not be surprised. The Divas action on RAW has been horrible ever since Mickie & Beth were traded to Smackdown. However considering there is a pay-per-view title match, which also happens to be the culmination of a tournament, I would expect some segment or at least a mention.

    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyRocks View Post
    Mickie should stick to wrestling. And eating

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyRocks View Post
    Not bad.

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    Mickie's singing isn't all that bad, but the song itself is awful.

    It could actually be very popular among the country fans if properly promoted though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipkin View Post
    Mickie's singing isn't all that bad, but the song itself is awful.

    It could actually be very popular among the country fans if properly promoted though.
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It is totally not my type of music, but I could totally hear my mother listening to it. Weird.

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    Well it looks as though no divas will be brought up from developmental for NXT. Not that they have a stellar bunch to choose from, but I was kinda pulling for AJ Lee.

    Maybe in the future I hope

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    The song is pretty generic but Mickie James' singing was pretty solid. I'd like to hear some songs that focus on her voice more, without so much noise swamping it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post
    Well it looks as though no divas will be brought up from developmental for NXT. Not that they have a stellar bunch to choose from, but I was kinda pulling for AJ Lee.

    Maybe in the future I hope
    The show has an 8 (developmental) person roster. If you have 1 diva, you need 2. Not only would that get boring, but it limits the guys significantly. I don't see it unless the show goes to 2 hours, which I also don't see happening.

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    Apparently, Tiffany will be heading to Raw, while Savannah is heading to Smackdown. No word on where Rosa is going, one will assume, wherever Ryder goes.

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    Can I secretly hope that Rosa will be heading to the unemployment line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT*Paratroopa View Post
    Can I secretly hope that Rosa will be heading to the unemployment line?
    If The Bellas follow, then yes you can hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoofyGreekGuy View Post
    Apparently, Tiffany will be heading to Raw, while Savannah is heading to Smackdown. No word on where Rosa is going, one will assume, wherever Ryder goes.
    I really hope Tiffany becomes Jack Swaggers valet/manager/girlfriend.

    They kind of teased it when they were both on ECW and i think they'd do well together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoofyGreekGuy View Post
    Apparently, Tiffany will be heading to Raw, while Savannah is heading to Smackdown. No word on where Rosa is going, one will assume, wherever Ryder goes.
    Has that been confirmed? Seem like Tiffany would be on the brand with her fiancee Drew McCyntire.

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    Cool for Savannah. She will be a nice tag partner for Mickie and will fit in nicely with Beth, Michelle and Layla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LUNATIC View Post
    Has that been confirmed? Seem like Tiffany would be on the brand with her fiancee Drew McCyntire.
    Wouldn't have been the first time couples have been spilt. There was always a chance they'd be on different brands.

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    Considering that Drew McIntyre is buddy-buddy with Shawn Michaels and Triple H., if he wants Tiffany Terrell to be on the Blue Brand with him ... I definitely see it happening. However, Melina Perez and John Morrison are dating ... and they're on separate brands. Also, Krissy Vaine and her boyfriend at the time were on different brands. Right now, it could go either way.

    "RAW" has:
    1.) Maryse Ouellet
    2.) Melina Perez
    3./4.) Brie & Nikki Bella
    5.) Gail Kim
    6.) Jillian Hall
    7.) Kelly Kelly
    8.) Katie Lea Burchill
    9.) Eve Torres
    10.) Alicia Fox

    "SmackDown!" has:
    1.) Mickie James
    2.) Michelle McCool
    3.) Maria Kanellis
    4.) Beth Phoenix
    5.) Layla El
    6.) Vickie Guerrero

    With Maria out of action because of "The Apprentice," I would say that "SmackDown!" is in dire need of the women of ECW. Zack Ryder would fit in nicely with "SmackDown!," I think he'd be showcased a lot more than if he were on "RAW." Even though I don't like Rosa as a wrestler, I think she would be a decent jobber for the likes of Michelle, Mickie, Beth, or even as fodder to help build up Layla as a credible threat. Not to mention, Rosa could also take losses from Savannah. Tiffany can be the female jobber in place of Maria while she's away.

    Savannah teams with Mickie ... Rosa, with her history with the Glamazon, teams with Beth again ... Team Lay-Cool stays together ... and Tiffany can just be the wild card. I think the writing is better on "SmackDown!" and would actually help flesh out Rosa's "motor-mouth gimmick" and would also help develop Savannah and Tiffany. Also, working on the same brand as Beth, Mickie, Michelle, and Finlay will do them really well I believe ...

    EDIT: DAAAAAMN!!! MY memory is going ... I forgot "SmackDown!" has Natalya Neidhart and Serena Deeb. Either way ... I stand by my opinion to move the ECW women to the Blue Brand.

    Last edited by the_man_diva; February 19th, 2010 at 6:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virus21 View Post
    Wouldn't have been the first time couples have been spilt. There was always a chance they'd be on different brands.
    Well you have Michelle and Taker and Natalya and Tyson already.

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    I like the fact that SD has the smaller Diva roster, as all of the women are used consistently, much unlike Raw. While this obviously has to do with a writing team with more focus on the Divas, I'd hate to see the quality of the division drop due to an influx of women. With that said, I do want Ryder on SD, and if Rosa's sticking around, I don't mind her by his side, as long as she's not wrestling. One more face competitor is probably necessary, and Savannah seems like a decent choice. If Tiffany is staying on TV, I'd want her in a non-wrestling role for a while, because an abrupt shift from GM to wrestler is just ridiculious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_man_diva View Post

    With Maria out of action because of "The Apprentice,". . .
    She's not. I assume you are referring to the rumor that she couldn't appear on SD while The Apprentice airs, but she said herself that isn't true.

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    Plus since then she's appeared on the show multiple times.

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    I didn't know "The Apprentice" was already airing ... hence why I figured she was still making appearances on SD! Also, they were mentioning that Maria as Diva of the Year was doing her "duties" by visiting schools and hospitals and such, I was figuring maybe it was a clever way of just working around the contract clause. *Shrug*

    Again ... doesn't change my opinion. I'd rather see the likes of Rosa and Tiffany jobbed out to help build Serena and Savannah, eventually push Natalya, and maybe make Layla seem more like a threat instead of a lackey.

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    I think that Natalya is incredibly underused. I want to see much more from her.

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    I also want to "see much more" of her.

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    Will Elimination Chamber be the first time Gail Kim has ever had a one on one match at a WWE Pay-Per-View?

    The only ones I can remember her having a part in were...

    001.) Survivor Series 09
    002.) Bragging Rights 09
    003.) Wrestlemania 25
    004.) Taboo Tuesday 04
    005.) Bad Blood 04

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    Yeap Bad Blood was going to be Victoria vs Gail Kim but Trish & Lita were added a week before resulting in a 4 way.

    I want Gail to win but surely it will be Maryse by cheating.

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    I was so sure that Gail was going to leave Bad Blood as the new champion and that ended up being Trish's record-breaking title win. Maybe this time I'll be surprised again because I'm positive that Maryse will become the new Divas champion? Ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperHero! View Post
    I also want to "see much more" of her.
    I meant that too, naturally. Perhaps should've been more explicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavrilo Princip View Post
    I meant that too, naturally. Perhaps should've been more explicit.
    Aint happening either way, but I will give you this to give you some ideas


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    Hmmm, they keep calling Natalya "Nattie" and "Nattie/Natalya Neidhart". How odd.

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    I fail to see what's odd about that...

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    The whole point of calling her Natalya was so she'd go by a name the WWE could trademark, so i find it odd that the announcers would stray away from calling her the name she's billed by and continuously reference her by her real name.

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    Her Neidhart heritage has never been kept a secret. Nattie is short for Natalya. So, calling her Nattie/Natalya Neidhart makes sense in that regard. But I get what you're saying.

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    Yeah, Nattie is short for Natalya. I always assumed they called her Natalya because it sounds more menacing than Nattie does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.C View Post
    Yeap Bad Blood was going to be Victoria vs Gail Kim but Trish & Lita were added a week before resulting in a 4 way.

    I want Gail to win but surely it will be Maryse by cheating.
    Adding Lita and Trish to that match was completely random. I don't think they had enough faith in Victoria and Gail to get the crowd involved. Which I really don't blame them.

    As much as I enjoyed their little "feud", there was really no point for anyone to care. Victoria was the queen of Sunday Night Heat at the time, and Gail was a fourth rate heel behind Trish, Molly, & Jazz.

    However, every time those two grappled up, they put on some very good matches.

    Speaking of Gail Kim. JR mentioned in his blog on wwe.com that Gail may arguably be his favorite WWE diva.

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    As much as i love Gail Kim she does seem to lack charisma, with the amount of flashy moves she does you would think the crowd would be all over her. She is totally unique but just seems to be "there" which is a shame. This is gotta be due to bad booking but at the same time its gotta be about her.

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    Aint happening either way, but I will give you this to give you some ideas



    Very nice indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavrilo Princip View Post
    I like that Punk's gimmick is shaving people's heads, while he is throwing down a lovely full head of lustruous hair.
    And his chesticles, which have as much hair as the beard.

    I don't like this Serena person. Never seen her before she joined SES, but she's awful. She seems to have no awareness of what's going on in the ring and gets in the way. She moves awkwardly in general. What she wears does her no favours either, she looks uncomfortable in those boots.

    And who would have thought Michelle McCool would be in danger of showing a bit personality? She very nearly did at the Rumble.

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    I was relieved when they broke up the Matt and Maria kiss.

    2 of the most wooden characters ever, so in that way they're perfect for each other.

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    Why dont they do any of the 'Divas Undressed' DVDs anymore?

    They've got a wonderfully talented roster at the moment.

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    PG Era?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alicia View Post
    And his chesticles, which have as much hair as the beard.

    I don't like this Serena person. Never seen her before she joined SES, but she's awful. She seems to have no awareness of what's going on in the ring and gets in the way. She moves awkwardly in general. What she wears does her no favours either, she looks uncomfortable in those boots.

    And who would have thought Michelle McCool would be in danger of showing a bit personality? She very nearly did at the Rumble.
    Eh, I would give Serena the benefit of the doubt. She has been training since 05, working for OVW (as the champ a few times), Shimmer and ROH. She's no Beth Phoenix, but she is definitely talented. Give her time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alicia View Post
    And his chesticles, which have as much hair as the beard.

    I don't like this Serena person. Never seen her before she joined SES, but she's awful. She seems to have no awareness of what's going on in the ring and gets in the way. She moves awkwardly in general. What she wears does her no favours either, she looks uncomfortable in those boots.

    And who would have thought Michelle McCool would be in danger of showing a bit personality? She very nearly did at the Rumble.
    Serena is fine in her role as a mind slave of CM Punk. The only she does is fawn over him, which she does really well. If I didn't know Punk was banging Lita irl i'd think Serena was sucking him off all day.

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    Maybe he is, the sly dog.

    Straight Edge my arse!

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    Wow, they're REALLY making us wait for this Divas Championship match. It's a meaningless title right now so the fact we didn't get a title match tonight isn't really bothersome. I just hope they continue to build up Gail, at least they're sorta building on her face-ness. Just let her cut a promo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaJ View Post
    Wow, they're REALLY making us wait for this Divas Championship match. It's a meaningless title right now so the fact we didn't get a title match tonight isn't really bothersome. I just hope they continue to build up Gail, at least they're sorta building on her face-ness. Just let her cut a promo.
    Wish I could have seen the entire match, but my cable company blows and froze during the last half.

    It came back on to see Maryse over a fallen Gail. So I am assuming Michelle & Layla won and Maryse attacked Gail after?
    Last edited by Andru; February 21st, 2010 at 10:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post
    Wish I could have seen the entire match, but my cable company blows and froze during the last half.

    It came back on to see Maryse over a fallen Gail. So I am assuming Michelle & Layla won and Maryse attacked Gail after?
    Gail was going for the tag but Maryse put her hand in Gail's face and than shoved her back. McCool hit the faithbreaker for the win. Afterwards, Maryse taunted Gail and than nailed her with the French Kiss DDT.


    I was happy with what took place tonight. The Gail Kim/Maryse match needed more build to it and this was a good start towards building it up some more. I say set the match for WM and continue to build up their rivalry heading into WM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaJ View Post
    Wow, they're REALLY making us wait for this Divas Championship match. It's a meaningless title right now so the fact we didn't get a title match tonight isn't really bothersome. I just hope they continue to build up Gail, at least they're sorta building on her face-ness. Just let her cut a promo.
    I see a possible unification match at Mania, possibly a four way. Perhaps Gail interferes in the title match on Smackdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virus21 View Post
    I see a possible unification match at Mania, possibly a four way. Perhaps Gail interferes in the title match on Smackdown.
    I believe unifying the championships is the wrong way to go.

    On one hand, the Diva's Championship is still very new, and really hasn't had much time to establish itself as a credible championship. However, all of the women who have held the title have been women the WWE are very high on (maybe except for Jillian). And on the other hand, getting rid of the diva's championship will limit the amount of women the WWE puts "effort" into.

    I like the balance of a championship on both RAW and Smackdown for the women to compete for. Even if the champion could compete on both brands, they would be limiting the action to just two women, where we have a good amount of more than competent women's wrestlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post
    I believe unifying the championships is the wrong way to go.

    On one hand, the Diva's Championship is still very new, and really hasn't had much time to establish itself as a credible championship. However, all of the women who have held the title have been women the WWE are very high on (maybe except for Jillian). And on the other hand, getting rid of the diva's championship will limit the amount of women the WWE puts "effort" into.

    I like the balance of a championship on both RAW and Smackdown for the women to compete for. Even if the champion could compete on both brands, they would be limiting the action to just two women, where we have a good amount of more than competent women's wrestlers.
    There is no balance though. The divas on Raw are merely background characters to the guest hosts and when they do actually get a match it's 2 minute squashes...or when they get a ppv match the 'E adds SD wrestlers to it. IMO, the best route would be for the WWE to admit the Divas championship was a mistake and unify it with the Women's title. It would be just like it with the unified tag-belts, where the champ could go on any show to defend the title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncannyIowan View Post
    There is no balance though. The divas on Raw are merely background characters to the guest hosts and when they do actually get a match it's 2 minute squashes...or when they get a ppv match the 'E adds SD wrestlers to it. IMO, the best route would be for the WWE to admit the Divas championship was a mistake and unify it with the Women's title. It would be just like it with the unified tag-belts, where the champ could go on any show to defend the title.
    Balance of terms of having two "divisions". One on RAW and one on Smackdown. While this would still be true with one champion who can fight amongst brands, it will still limit the amount of women being utilized. However I clearly see your point in the women on RAW playing no part of the show for quite some time now. While the tournament seemed like a good idea, they literally put no effort into it and I cannot remember any of the matches surpassing 2 or 3 minutes.

    I guess if they were to unify the belts, I would have the draft bring all of their more competent women to Smackdown and send the less skilled divas to RAW. If RAW cannot dedicate enough time to their women, I guess there really is no other choice.

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    See I don't have a problem with divas being on Raw and actually wrestling, but if they're not going to give them any real time or storylines, then just have their be one champion so that way there is actually something of worth to look forward to. I'll be honest, I thought I missed the finals of the tournament a few weeks ago only to find out the title was still vacant.....I swear the E put more effort last week in writing that stupid Springer bit than they did with any female character so far this year.

    Raw has young talent that could be molded into solid talent if they were A-given the ring time and B-wrestling better women. Gail Kim is the best on Raw, and she's probably the worst out of the top 4 by a mile (Mickie, Beth, Michelle, Gail).

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    Is the WWE completely opposed to the idea of using some of the women as valets/managers? Is that a concept completely in the past?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncannyIowan View Post
    See I don't have a problem with divas being on Raw and actually wrestling, but if they're not going to give them any real time or storylines, then just have their be one champion so that way there is actually something of worth to look forward to. I'll be honest, I thought I missed the finals of the tournament a few weeks ago only to find out the title was still vacant.....I swear the E put more effort last week in writing that stupid Springer bit than they did with any female character so far this year.

    Raw has young talent that could be molded into solid talent if they were A-given the ring time and B-wrestling better women. Gail Kim is the best on Raw, and she's probably the worst out of the top 4 by a mile (Mickie, Beth, Michelle, Gail).
    I agree with most of what you say. However I think it is a bit radical to rate Gail a "mile" behind Mickie, Beth, & Michelle. I would actually rate Gail above Mickie, and slightly less than Beth & Michelle. And I would rate Natalya above all of them.

    Gail can be botchy at times in the ring due to her "riskier" move-set, however I believe she possesses better wrestling ability than Mickie who tends to be quite a mess in the ring at times.

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    I say if there is no unification, just drop the divas title and move Jillian, Gail and Melina to Smackdown and move Layla and Maria to Raw.

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    What was the point of delaying the Diva's Championship from EC until the following RAW? Seems pretty pointless as there was no interference from Vickie Guerrero, Michelle McCool, or Layla.

    And of course Maryse won. What a shocker

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    "Why does everybody slap me?!" Poor Jillian.

    That tournament was god-awful as a whole. They could have at least not made it so obvious from the beginning that Maryse was going to win. It was basically two months of nothing. And I loved how they utilized the thing with Maryse trash talking Gail in French. "Gail is actually fluent in French!" Oh, great. I couldn't tell what with her being mute and all.

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    Holy shockers, Batman, whoever didn't see Maryse winning that tournament

    Why didn't they just give the belt to Maryse and not waste everybody's time with that never ending tournament

    Beth and Mickie had a lucky escape going to Smackdown, at least over there they have something to work with in terms of a storyline whilst the Raw Divas are continually treated like jokes

    I mean, what in the hell was the point of that bull riding competition
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    Quote Originally Posted by richie_w_4ever View Post
    Holy shockers, Batman, whoever didn't see Maryse winning that tournament

    Beth and Mickie had a lucky escape going to Smackdown, at least over there they have something to work with in terms of a storyline whilst the Raw Divas are continually treated like jokes

    I mean, what in the hell was the point of that bull riding competition
    Yeah Melina must be embarressed that she is stuck on this division. Move the girl to Smackdown.

    The match sucked. That is all I have to say about that.

    And the bullriding thing was horrible.

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    Look on the bright side, Smackdown is in a few days.

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    hAha I have seen way worse diva matches than that.....Most involving Ms. Melina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishBulldozer View Post
    hAha I have seen way worse diva matches than that.....Most involving Ms. Melina.
    Yeah, that match was not really bad at all. The wresting seemed fine, and the two ladies had some pretty cool spots. I think the lack of character investment may have been what brought the match down.

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    Serviceable match, the pacing could have been better but no complaints otherwise. They put the title on the right person regardless of the work rate.

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    I agree with RedPath. I'm a Maryse mark...Mostly cuz she is hot and I dig her attire...but she doesn't suck at wrestling so much either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishBulldozer View Post
    I agree with RedPath. I'm a Maryse mark...Mostly cuz she is hot and I dig her attire...but she doesn't suck at wrestling so much either.

    maybe i am in the minority here, but...Maryse does not WRESTLE, she executes wrestling moves and a limited amount at that.

    michelle, beth, jillian...they are all heels who still wrestle AND have character. to me maryse just has a character and some charisma, but it's starting to wear thin.

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    I'm OK with the fact that Maryse won the title. That match wasn't horrible, but something just seemed a little off. Man, I feel bad for the Raw divas. I mean, aside from the Bella twins, their division doesn't suck. Katle Lea, Gail Kim, Jillian and even Melina can more than put on great matches and Maryse, Alicia, Eve and for the most party Kelly can hang in there with the other women. Thing is, no one really cares.

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    Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I thought last night's match was piss poor. I thought the pacing was horrible, the timing was off, and some things felt almost like nonsense randomly thrown into the match.

    I guess that, technically, there weren't many "botches", but I really didn't see anything positive going on.

    I actually like both Gail and Maryse, but I was very disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I thought last night's match was piss poor. I thought the pacing was horrible, the timing was off, and some things felt almost like nonsense randomly thrown into the match.

    I guess that, technically, there weren't many "botches", but I really didn't see anything positive going on.

    I actually like both Gail and Maryse, but I was very disappointed.
    I agree 100%. I thought the match was on fast forward and it felt like they were really just trying to get the shit out of the way and move on to the next segment. That's usually how 90% of all Raw matches feel, but this one was even worse. I just don't know where WWE's head is at with the overall divas division. Especially Raw, when the only decent talent is Gail and that's not saying much. The rest are barely given any time to really become "good", and some are just not meant to be in the ring period.

    You know when a match is truly bad when people go "I've seen worse" like that is a valid reason not to admit this match was garbage. Seriously, they wrestled for less than 4 minutes and they acted like they had gone 60 with Bret.

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    The Divas of RAW essentially fall into the same category as wrestlers such as Evan Bourne, Primo, Chris Masters, Carlito, Chavo Guerrero, & Jack Swagger. They either put them in 2 or 3 minute matches on RAW, use them as backstage props for big names to walk by, or give them a random ass match on Superstars.

    RAW dedicates way too much of it's time to focusing on the same superstars week after week after week with many of the same exact matches. They tend to take up quite a lot of time with recaps and video packages we have already seen a hundred times. And now they waste more time with the guest hosts (who for the most part have sucked).

    I really do not expect anything near decent within the diva's division until Melina returns, or until after the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post




    I really do not expect anything near decent within the diva's division until Melina returns, or until after the draft.
    The thing is, its not whos in the division (at least for the most part) Its the creative team's investment in the women. Before and after last years draft, the Raw division was same old same old. The draft happened and nothing changed, they moved Melina back to Raw and nothing changed.

    Unless the creative team puts something into the division, it won't matter who is in it. Wishful thinking lets me think that when Impact moves to Monday and the Knockouts get a little more buzz, things might change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post


    I really do not expect anything near decent within the diva's division until Melina returns, or until after the draft.
    I don't see how she'd do anything to make it better.

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    Maybe Andru just really likes botched moves and annoying screaming.

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    Could be. But then, the only thing missing right now is the screaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipkin View Post
    Maybe Andru just really likes botched moves and annoying screaming.

    That I do

    My real point here was that the last couple of "bigger" story lines we had with the divas consisted of Maryse, Beth Phoenix, Mickie James, Michelle McCool, & Melina. It just seems like those are the women the WWE are always going to push as the front-runners of their respective brands.

    With Melina out with injury, Maryse is just left to float about, as it seems like creative has no incentive to possibly introduce a new player into the game and actually give us a reason to care about them. ie. Gail Kim.

    Once Melina is back on RAW, I'm sure we will see the inevitable feud between herself and Divas Champion Maryse. That is of course depending on how the draft pans out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post

    That I do

    Once Melina is back on RAW, I'm sure we will see the inevitable feud between herself and Divas Champion Maryse. That is of course depending on how the draft pans out.
    She could end up on Smackdown, which would be the better option. Might get rid of that botching thing that she seems to get accused of.

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    i like Maryse's new wrestling attire. she's got quite the body. everyone here likes the divas on SD better, but I could care less about wrestling ability. the raw divas are mostly hot as hell. the only one on sd that's hot is layla. the rest are not so much.

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