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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post
    I really don't see the point unless if she wanted to look like Nicole Bass. I don't know anything about steroids, but my general impression was they are supposed to enhance your muscle mass. And I don't think the women were pressed into getting bigger muscles. Just bigger tits!
    There are tons of uses and different types of steroids. She could be using them to increase her workout sessions, stay thin and those types of things.

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    Ya know, I have been thinking. I think I am way too hard on Melina. I really want her to succeed, but half of her matches are so incredibly sloppy. I'd really like her to come back and play the tweener between Fox/Eve and hell, even have Melina win the damn title around SS.

    Same with Maryse, methinks. I am too judgmental with her. She seems to have the same problems as Melina: bumps well, kind of has a character/personality, but her actual in ring skills are beyond lackluster. I really like this pairing and I hope she sticks with valeting for a while, and lets Jillian play second fiddle to Fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyRocks View Post
    Ya know, I have been thinking. I think I am way too hard on Melina. I really want her to succeed, but half of her matches are so incredibly sloppy. I'd really like her to come back and play the tweener between Fox/Eve and hell, even have Melina win the damn title around SS.

    Same with Maryse, methinks. I am too judgmental with her. She seems to have the same problems as Melina: bumps well, kind of has a character/personality, but her actual in ring skills are beyond lackluster. I really like this pairing and I hope she sticks with valeting for a while, and lets Jillian play second fiddle to Fox.
    The only real problem I have with Melina is that she is just always seemingly handed the title. She returned in late 08 and won the women's championship from Beth in early 09 in their first match. Then she was traded to RAW and won the diva's championship from Jillian on her first night. I really do not want to see Melina take the title off of Alicia Fox so soon.

    But I have this horrible feeling they are going to scrap together a Divas Championship match for Summer Slam and have Melina take the title off of Fox.

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    That's because the Raw writers think if they just switch the title around every few months it counts as being fresh. I'd be willing to bet they have a list for Diva "storylines" that they just pick from and looks something like this:

    a. Diva pins Champion in non-title match and Diva tag matches leading up to PPV.
    b. Diva looks at challenger while sitting at ringside.
    c. Champion loses
    d. Trish wins

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    Considering how little I care for the Divas division, I choose option D.

    Unless that was step-by-step, in which I still support step D.

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    LIVIANA AND KAVAL OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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    aaaaaaaaaand more of her via facebook:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagballs View Post


    LIVIANA AND KAVAL OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    I like this pic, it's nice.

    What happen to your username?

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    Put a wig on him and it'd look like two girls.

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    I must be in the minority here. Livianna does nothing for me! I find her to be kind of alienish and she looks like an ex-porn-star (who specializes in creepy or gross fetishes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagballs View Post


    LIVIANA AND KAVAL OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    Put a long haired wig on Kavel and this would look like the cover of a romance novel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post
    I must be in the minority here. Livianna does nothing for me! I find her to be kind of alienish and she looks like an ex-porn-star (who specializes in creepy or gross fetishes).
    Yep. She doesn't look like anything special to me...kind of like Melina.

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    Livianna = new WWE diva, I presume?

    She's cute, I like.

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    She looks cute but can she work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andru View Post
    I must be in the minority here. Livianna does nothing for me! I find her to be kind of alienish and she looks like an ex-porn-star (who specializes in creepy or gross fetishes).
    She's pretty but she has large eyes and in some pics she looks kinda weird.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackielover144 View Post
    She looks cute but can she work?
    That is a very important question. There's always pretty faces, a pretty face that can wrestle is much better.

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    WWE should sign Isis.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTGbRrwKGFc&feature=related"]YouTube- 6ft 10in Isis destroys RPW Hottie Kimberly[/ame]

    Last time I said this, I was right. (Cherry Bomb)

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    Wow she's big!

    Her and Kong would be one hell of a tag team!

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    I'm going to veto them hiring a diva a foot and a half taller than me. That's just terrifying.

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    She don't look look right, she needs to bulk up a bit. She just looks lanky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.C View Post
    She don't look look right, she needs to bulk up a bit. She just looks lanky.
    Of course she looks lanky shes a 6 foot 10 women!

    Im fairly she she would prefer not to bulk up a bit what with her being female and having freakish height against her already.

    She is deffo someone to have a look at for WWE. She aint hidious (from what i can see there) and seems to move pretty well for her size.

    I used to like how back in the day Moolah would bring in hired guns to destroy the womens champion. I have always wanted something like that to happen again. What they would need is someone like Gail Kim or Beth Phoenix to be the champion again and have Maryse lets say, as she has her rich boyfriend on hand to get all the top talent, try and beat her for the title and she just cant manage to do it.

    Eventually it comes to a point where Maryse gets one more title shot and the stipulation is if she loses she never gets a shot at the champ again. Obviously she loses again and to extract her revenge Maryse scours the world bringing in all kinds of great workers or none typical WWE womens wrestlers to try and take out the champion over the course of a few months. This way you can bring in some quality wrestlers on short term contracts, put on some excellent matches and get your contracted wrestler over more by constantly overcoming the odds.

    I may just make that storyline on the PS3 now due to boredom...

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    Wow, that woman is gargantuan. I think that would actually be really interesting if she were in WWE, she'd stand out and be a very unique addition. I don't know if she can wrestle, she didn't do much that impressed me in that brief video, but she's certainly got physical gifts going for her, and as someone who like Khali, I could overlook her in-ring inadequacies if it was made up for in other ways. I'd love to see her chucking around Kelly Kelly and the like. Also, she doesn't look like a man as much as other bigger girls who have come through (Nicole Bass, Chyna).

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CHHy2Qadec"]YouTube- WWE Smackdown 07/30/10 Michelle McCool vs Tiffany - Women's Championship Match[/ame]

    This weeks SD!


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    Fuck Teddy Long! He can't break up the greatest co-women's champions of all time. I say we protest, get a facebook page going. Save LayCools titles! One Women's Champion aint enuff' fo me, ohhh noooo.

    Skirt Tiffany looks like she's wearing a diaper.

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    Totally off topic, BUT ...

    EVE now compared to EVE then ... DAMN !!!!

    Anyone else in agreement that Eve is hot as hell compared to when she first debuted?


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    Thought the six diva match was pretty good, Gail was great. Good thing Eve was kept out of the ring, there must have been a few slip ups as the match seemed edited in parts.

    I wish they would continue the Jillian and Alicia dislike but it will most likely be forgotten in a few weeks.

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    I'd just like to say that I am very sad that Melina is back, and did Cole call her one of the greatest divas of all time? I get hyperbole for the sake of promotion, but come on.

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    I liked that snapmare facebuster Melina used, and she does a better Matrix move than Trish did, but yeah, Melina hasn't impressed me at all since her match with Beth at One Night Stand a few years back. I thought their Royal Rumble match was pretty bad.

    It's a shame, too, seeing that she has a lot of interesting moves. I've been impressed with Alicia lately so hopefully they'll have some decent matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipkin View Post
    I'd just like to say that I am very sad that Melina is back, and did Cole call her one of the greatest divas of all time? I get hyperbole for the sake of promotion, but come on.
    You have to factor in that its Cole were talking about

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    I enjoyed Alicia getting mic time again last night. She seems comfortable on the mic and shows some decent personality when she talks. Her YUP! made me LOL.

    Really not happy about Melina being back because I know she'll be winning the belt back pretty quick, possibly as soon as SummerSlam, and I'd rather Alicia have it longer and get to develop more as a character...and I strongly dislike Melina. But hopefully they can have a decent match or two, at least.

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    Gail Kim, Natalya and Alicia performed beautifully in that match. Pretty much all of Gail Kim's spots were stunning. I loved Natalya's and Alicia's exchange, really well performed by both. It was such a shame that Natalya got tangled up in Alicia's long legs toward the end. Would liked to have seen Tamina get tagged in against Gail Kim - she's still a bit mysterious to me. Jillian wasn't on form, but I love how vocal she is towards the referees. I'll leave Eve out because she might as well have been.

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    I'm still reserving judgment on Tamina but I am thinking she must be pretty green for her not be put in more matches and when she does it seems pretty minimal.

    With Melina back surely this is pushing Gail Kim further out of the title or Raw picture. They really need to do some sort of mini-draft and swap a few women over to make it a bit more interesting.

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    I know what you mean. They'd be entirely stupid not to use Gail Kim, especially after last night's performance. I'm experiencing learned helplessness in that I've given up hoping for Gail to be pushed and am now happy just to see her flying off the turnbuckle or bumping on the outside. Why not drop Eve Jaw-es to the bottom instead? Or stick her on the arm of a guy like they've done with Maryse.

    I always see mention of swapping the rosters around and draft exchanges etc, but I'm not convinced that is a solution to anything. Gail Kim will just be neglected on SmackDown also. I want to see more of Natalya and Alicia

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    I fail to see the Alicia Fox love. Still. She's just horrible in every way.

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    Nah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen View Post
    I fail to see the Alicia Fox love. Still. She's just horrible in every way.
    Really? I mean, I don't think she is some godsend to the Diva's division, but I do enjoy her work. I think she is progressing quite nicely. At first I thought she was a little sloppy (I still do to a degree), but I think her lanky frame gives off the illusion that she is far sloppier than she actually is. Of course, like some posters tend to do, she is hyped up quite a bit.

    Give her sometime, she will grow on you.

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    Alicia's finisher tends to look sloppy. The rest of her work has been surprisingly good lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSupremeForce View Post
    Alicia's finisher tends to look sloppy. The rest of her work has been surprisingly good lately.
    I agree, she needs to change it, some times she hits it perfectly, sometimes it looks like she's to tired to lift her leg, or the diva is not positioned right for her.

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    I really enjoyed that Six-Diva Tag on RAW. Also Melina's finisher loooked the best it has ever been, she actually slammed Alicia down hard. I heard it's now called the Sunset Split, which I enjoy a lot more than the Primal Scream. Gail Kim, I've noticed, doesn't phone in her performances. She consistently tries to put on a good show, obviously her way to prove "hey, look at me!" I think her switching to SmackDown! is definitely needed with Beth out of the picture. SmackDown! never uses Rosa in the ring (rightfully so) and there is only so much Tiffany and Kelly can do. Not to mention, Gail has a good track record working with McCool. I don't want Laycool breaking up, so I would really appreciate a new face going over there to battle them.

    RAW is just waaaaay too crowded now that Melina is back. I did like that they made mention of Jillian "forgiving" Alicia, talked about it during the match, then we saw Jillian get pissed and feed Alicia to Melina. I actually liked Jillian doing that. And I liked how everyone was glaring at Alicia. She's definitely going to be the lone female with no allies fending off her enemies (except maybe for Maryse?).

    LMFAO @McGregor's "Eve Jaw-es" comment, I think I peed a little

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    I was actually going to say the same thing man diva, no matter how insignificant she is Gail always puts out 110 percent.

    I liked the 6 Diva tag. Little dissapointed that Nattie took the fall but whatever nobody will remember it.

    Alicia's mic work was sub par. She comes off as a little girl trying to be big. I think she'd be better at playing the cowardly heel than dominant.

    Melina looked good in her return, I loved that face plant stunner? I don't know what the official name is but it was cool looking. That little interaction between her and Alicia looked good, they can probably have a couple decent matches together. I don't know if they intend to have Melina take the title but does it really matter?

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    From the main page ...

    WWE Diva Michelle Michelle has earned the number one position in Pro Wrestling Illustrated's third annual "PWI Female 50" chart ranking the top 50 women's wrestlers in North America from July 1, 2009 through June 30, 2010. She succeeds multi-time WWE Women's Champion Mickie James, who charted No. 1 in last year's list.

    Pro Wrestling Illustrated attributes its decision to ranking McCool as the top women's wrestler in North America with the following facts:

    FACT: In June 2009, McCool became the first woman in WWE history to have held both the Divas and Women's championships, thanks to a win over Melina.

    FACT: Over the past 12 months, McCool has scored pinfall victories over Melina, Gail Kim, and Mickie James—three of the most decorated women wrestlers of the past decade.

    FACT: From July 1, 2009, through June 30, 2010, McCool held (or co-held) the WWE Women’s championship for 325 of 365 days.
    Congrats Michelle !!! She earned it

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    So two of her qualifications include beating Gail Kim and not actually holding the Women's title but sort of for a long time?

    If I were Madison Rayne, i'd be pissed.

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    Well, it's complete kayfabe rankings anyway, so let her have it.

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    Not that their list means much but congrats to Michelle Michelle. I don't usually agree with that list but Michelle was probably the top overall woman of the past year.

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    Dunno if this has been mentioned but did anyone see the Superstars match between Maryse & Jillian Hall and The Bella Twins recently?

    Half way through the match Jillian tries the twin switcheroo with Maryse like the Bellas usually do with the twin gimmick and the referee just looks at her and goes "what the hell are you doing??" Obviously they aint twins, they aint even wearing the same clothes

    Jillian is a great character, I really wish they would do more with her.

    Happens around 4:40


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0jieqL21W0"]YouTube- ‪WWE Superstars 7/15/10 - The Bella Twins vs. Jillian Hall & Maryse‬‎[/ame]

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    That's pretty fantastic! I love that!

    Edit: The crowd popped crazy when the Bellas got that win, kinda threw me off guard.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OypzvIaxLtc"]YouTube- ‪Laycool segment with Theodore Long in locker room (SmackDown 08 06 2010)‬‎[/ame]

    Love them!

    Jillian attempting the switcheroo was hilarious; I love how King and Cole were so into it, too!

    PS- Anyone who still thinks that Maryse is considered a "good" bumper or wrestler needs to seriously check out her awfulness in this match. I can't believe this went unmentioned. The way she took those clotheslines/backbumps (around 4:15) from the Bellas seriously reminded me of Ashley or Maria. Had that been McCool or Eve, people would have been all over that shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    So two of her qualifications include beating Gail Kim and not actually holding the Women's title but sort of for a long time?

    If I were Madison Rayne, i'd be pissed.
    Maybe I misread the other parts where it said she's basically been the champion for a year and she also beat Mickie James and Melina (not to mention almost every other diva in the WWE).

    Why should Madison Rayne be pissed? Her year was nowhere close to McCool's

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    - Speaking of NXT, the current plan is to have season three feature four male wrestlers and four women wrestlers from developmental. WWE is adding Divas to the mix because they’re running low on fresh stars from FCW. There’s still no word yet on where season three of the show will air once SmackDown comes to SyFy.

    Source: lordsofpain.net

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    Well, Melina still looked sloppy to me in her return match. The only part that was irritating was how between her and Fox, they seemed to have taken forever to finally set up and hit Melina's finisher (The Last Call Sunset Bomb... stupid name). Alicia bumped really well in the match

    It was nice to hear the crowd pop for Gail/Eve when they slid down... weird. The match could have been good if the Bellas had been left out. I swear, they wrestle like a team of Marias. I really like Eve's neckbreaker, it is a good set up if they are wanting her to keep the moonsault as her finisher; if not, she should hook the leg before she hits it, so it goes into a pin.

    Tamina out there was interesting. I thought she looked really good, at least. Her and Santino, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyRocks View Post
    Well, Melina still looked sloppy to me in her return match. The only part that was irritating was how between her and Fox, they seemed to have taken forever to finally set up and hit Melina's finisher (The Last Call Sunset Bomb... stupid name). Alicia bumped really well in the match

    It was nice to hear the crowd pop for Gail/Eve when they slid down... weird. The match could have been good if the Bellas had been left out. I swear, they wrestle like a team of Marias. I really like Eve's neckbreaker, it is a good set up if they are wanting her to keep the moonsault as her finisher; if not, she should hook the leg before she hits it, so it goes into a pin.

    Tamina out there was interesting. I thought she looked really good, at least. Her and Santino, eh?
    The Bellas were fine. They did just as good as anyone in there.

    Brie is actually pretty good. Nikki is the evil twin.

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    I still think Melina is terrible as a face. For someone who gets pushed that hard she sure isn't memorable in anything she does aside from stealing people's moves/attire.

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    This is the 3rd time Melina/Alicia have botched the sunset-flip bomb. Back when Alicia was still with Michelle on Smackdown it had to be edited out completely from the match and they redid the finish with the split move. Melina is too heavy for Alicia to pull it off smoothly IMO. Plus Melina has always been sloppy as it is.

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    Yeah so much for my thought that Melina/Alicia could have a decent match. I still love that stunner/cutter faceplant thing Melina does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncannyIowan View Post
    I still think Melina is terrible

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    Did ya hear the crowd chant, "Fox Can't Wrestle?"

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    I knew I heard that lol..thought I was crazy! She did ok considering she was in there with one of the sloppier workers in the division. I hope they can work out a decent match for SS, cause if the "Boring" and "Fox Can't Wrestle" chants on Raw were any indication, the rematch could be ugly.

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    I'm no fan of Alicia (not that I dislike her) but those fans are dumb. Alicia/Melina was by far Alicia's worst match in recent memory, so who's fault is that? The woman that's been decent for the past few months or the one that's just come back and has a reputation for being consistently sloppy? Melina is just really bad.

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    Fox has been decent since she became champion.
    Melina is awful. What's the over-under on her next injury anyway?

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    What are peoples thought on possible female rookies on the next season of NXT?

    I think it could be a great opportunity for the rookies but also for the pro's, I think I read there would be 4 rookie divas but I highly doubt they will have all 4 managed by 4 divas. I would expect Michelle & Layla to stay on and maybe a face Diva from RAW, It should be Gail, to give her something to do and possibly lead on from but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being Melina or Eve.

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    Diva's on NXT could work, but it really depends on how they handle the shows. With the way they've handled the first two seasons of NXT, I don't think it works, simply because the actual matches would become repetitive even more quickly and/or a lot more usage of Pro's.

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    At the risk at getting flamed, what is everyones problem with Melina? I get it, she isn't Beth but come on. Her matches with Beth and Mickie were some of the highlights of the last couple of years.

    While Im on the subject, Mickie and Gail get the same treatment. I find is strange that they are the cause, its never the person that they wrestle, its always them.

    For example, people here were stating how sloppy Mickie was on Raw. When she moved to Smackdown, she had little problem.

    Gail's championship match against Maryse was a train wreck. In fact, Maryse almost looked like she was resisting being carried. When Gail fighting a woman like Jillian, no problem.

    Melina was having no problems at all on Smackdown last year. She started having problems when she moved back to Raw.

    It takes two people in a match to make it work. When one person either lacks the skill or doesn't try (or won't work with the other person) the match suffers. It also doesn't help when many of these women have 3 years or so of experiance and still are little better than they started


    The match on Raw was ok. Yes it had its problems, but it was far from bad. Alicia isn't a horrible wrestler, but she isn't at the level of a Molly or a Jazz. I still shake my head when I remmember her doing a semi-decent ax kick and everyone here ready to give her the division.

    She has the potential, but she needs time before that kind of praise is her's.

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    Melina is horribly over-pushed. My biggest gripe with her is that she gets injured, comes back months later, instantly gets thrust back into the "title scene", probably ends up with it again, and then will suffer another serious injury within the next six months. Also, her "character" simply annoys me.

    For what it's worth, I never liked Mickie either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSupremeForce View Post
    Melina is horribly over-pushed. My biggest gripe with her is that she gets injured, comes back months later, instantly gets thrust back into the "title scene", probably ends up with it again, and then will suffer another serious injury within the next six months. Also, her "character" simply annoys me.

    For what it's worth, I never liked Mickie either.
    I like Melina, but I do agree that she is over pushed. The gal in my avatar needs a push. And to be far Melina has been injuried twice that I can recall and neither was in close time of each other.

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    Admittedly, I'm not a fan of most of the face Divas. Raw basically has Gail (who rarely gets to show any personality, but can wrestle) and Natalya, who mostly only gets to bounce at ringside for Hart Dynasty matches.

    I'd rather see Melina get pushed than Eve (I can't stand Eve), but I may change my mind if Melina ends up with the title at Summerslam.

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    I remember a time when the Divisions used to book up to everyone's strengths and hide their weaknesses; for instance, the Stacy's/Torrie's/Terri's would be in Pillow Fights, Mud Matches, etc. ... it would be THEM taking part in stuff like the Swimsuit Spectacular ... which wasn't that freakin' spectacular.

    Meanwhile, the Divas that could carry on a decent match would do the majority of all the wrestling. They need to go back to that mentality because it really does break up the monotony of the stale-ass divisions on both brands. A nice mixture of T&A (even under PG guidelines, you can still have harmless T&A Matches that don't involve the women being stripped down to their skivvies, and even then, if you do, make sure the underwear is not skimpier than a regular two-piece bathing suit) and a good mixture of women who can wrestle would solve everything.

    Right now, the rosters are not balanced. The writing staff also hasn't done enough to make the fans care about anyone else, thus the problem ... they've placed all their bets on Melina to garner attention to the RAW Divas scene. They need to have a few people jump brands. I might even be somewhat interested in the Bella's if they split them up and actually gave them individual personalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virus21 View Post
    At the risk at getting flamed, what is everyones problem with Melina? I get it, she isn't Beth but come on. Her matches with Beth and Mickie were some of the highlights of the last couple of years.
    Yeah she did have some really memorable matches with both Mickie and Beth, but outside of that she's been inconsistent. Granted she can't have chemistry with everyone, but it'd be nice for her to be able to string some good stuff together with girls like Alicia and Jillian, who are two of the better ones on the Raw side of things, but also two women Melina's had bad matches/awkward spots with. If its happening in the ring with them, I'd hate to see what'd happen if she was in the ring with somebody the caliber of Rosa or a newbie like Tamina.

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    I remember when I thought it was crap when Trish, Molly, Victoria and maybe on or two other divas used to be the only handful of women wrestling and I thought "Man, this is so stale, why don't they get more divas?"

    Now I think of that period as the glory days for women's wrestling.

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    I remember that too. Late 2004 to early 2005 was a very bad time in terms of the Women's Division. Jazz, Gail Kim, and Nidia all being given the boot in favor of Amy Weber, Joy Giovanni, Maria, Michelle, Candice, etc. ... now, granted, Candice and McCool eventually did contribute more than what we could've ever expected, but damn ... then in early 05 we lost Molly and Lita was injured.


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    Still not a a huge fan of Melina. And if she ends up winning the title at Summer Slam, I will be very disappointed!

    Push Natalya! She is the best women's wrestler on RAW, and he fans can get behind her. Turning face was the best thing that happened for her. Now they just need to capitalize on it and push her into the title hunt!

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    If Melina didn't always get the title, if she was a heel, and if she didn't take an hour to do 300 poses before every match, she'd be alright. I'll be honest, she's ugly, she's subpar, unless she's heel she can't cut a decent promo-and even those promos with MNM were pretty generic, any chick who's told "act like a bitch" could do those interviews.

    Maybe it's her dick taking abilities with the talent that has put her in this position....

    IDK, I just don't see why the WWE is so high on her when the fans could care less and her work is shitty. Doing the Ma-Trish, it was lame when Mickie was doing it, now we get someone half as skilled doing it...yay.

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    Alicia's gonna lose this Sunday, but keep the belt.

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    Lance Storm's thoughts of the Womens Division

    Q: I know from the endorsement that Trish Stratus gave you for your SWA that you helped the women back in 2001-2003. Looking at how far women’s wrestling has fallen in WWE today, do you think you could, with a straight face, consistently help the current divas plan 1 minute and 40 second title matches?

    A: I think the problem is bigger than just helping these girls plan matches. I think in many cases (certainly not all) the current women’s roster is not as talented and the office is booking them a lot less credibly, so just helping them put better matches together is not the problem, and if it were Fit Finlay is still with the company, he can do every bit as good of a job as I can at it and quite probably far better.
    And JR had a little Tweet about Melina, since we are on the subject of her.
    Melina actually reminds me in some way of Trish Stratus which is a really good thing.
    Orton gave his praise to Nattie
    Nattie is the best all around in-ring performer as far as the girls go IMO [sic].
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    Orton got that right.
    JR hasn't had a clue this decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSupremeForce View Post
    Orton got that right.
    JR hasn't had a clue this decade.
    Why, cause you disagree with him?

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    I think Melina does the Matrix move better than Trish ever did. Trish may have done it first (I'm not sure), but Melina is more flexible and is quicker at it.

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    I think Melina is more talented than Trish ever was... if she was a heel and stayed healthy she could become one of the top divas ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    I think Melina is more talented than Trish ever was... if she was a heel and stayed healthy she could become one of the top divas ever.
    You've lost everything.

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    I think Melina is overrated in the ring. To me she is kind of clumsy (Similar to how Lita was) and a lot of the current crop of divas today are. Eve, Alicia Fox, Marysee, Kelly Kelly, Tiffany, Layla, are also in that same department (clumsy/sloppy).

    Girls like Beth, Michelle McCool (Depending on who she is facing), and Nattie are great at what they do.

    Trish on the other hand had something special. She was able to work great matches with the likes of Molly Holly, Victoria, Jacqueline, Ivory, Jazz women who wrestling came naturally too and clicked with. Its a noticeable lack of quality, substance, and depth today compared to back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    I think Melina is more talented than Trish ever was...
    Blasphemy.

    Trish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other Divas. It ain't even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virus21 View Post
    Why, cause you disagree with him?
    Basically.
    I've disagreed with him way too much in recent years.

    I suppose that there is a little Trish in Melina. The primary one is that they're both women. They're also both more popular than I'd prefer, since I wasn't a Trish fan either. Still, Trish bothered me less than Melina does.

    Maybe I wasn't actually disagreeing all that strongly with JR on this issue. It was more of a general comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    Blasphemy.

    Trish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other Divas. It ain't even close.
    I expected responses like this... I totally understand where you are coming from, but I didn't see what was the big deal in Trish. She was good in my book, but not great.

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    Ugh. That's what I say this thread lately. People saying that Melina could be the greatest thing in WWE if a). b). and c). happened. Some condoning the atrocity of the Bella Twins performing in the ring. People cherry-picking like a greedy republican to show how Maryse is like the next Trish Stratus, but saying that girls like Alicia and Eve are worthless. Some are still not giving Michelle McCool the credit she deserves and base her entire performances off of her opponents. I will go ahead and say what I think:

    I think Michelle is right up there with Natalya and Beth. I don't care that she came from the DS, she is a far better wrestler than a lot of women out there today, including a lot of the TNA Knockouts and most of her counterparts in WWE.

    I think Eve is doing well and I am excited to see more of her later on in the future. I think her hatred is rarely backed up intelligently. She is wrestling as a face (which I think is always harder to start out as a woman, than a heel) and given zero mic time and no storyline and for some odd reason the crowd still gives her a decent pop when she comes out (as of this summer). Same with Fox. She is a great bumper and has finally been given her moment to shine as a heel, so people need to give her time. To continue, I think Maryse is sloppier than the other two. Someone said it earlier in regards to a Gail Kim match, it was almost like she was resisting to work with her opponents. I still don't understand how she can have some really terrible spots in her match and people try to say she meant to fall down that way... please.

    Melina is the sloppiest top tier diva since Lita/Trish, except I think Melina is even sloppier. It doesn't matter who she is facing. I don't care about any of this memorable matches. For as long as Melina has been training, if her performances really do have a HUGE difference between who she is working with, then I think she needs to go back to the basics for awhile. I think we cut the women in here (some WAY more than others) too much slack with the excuse "well, look who they were working with". I think that excuse only goes so far... the women have to start taking responsibility for themselves as well.

    Ugh. They need better bookers/writers for the womens division.

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    Trish Stratus is the Hulk Hogan/Ric Flair/Austin/Rock of the Divas. Extremely popular, great as a face and heel, not the best wrestler but not the worst, and can have an entertaining match with just about anyone. And she'll probably be considered the best overall diva of all time, no one in my opinion has been able to be on her level in terms of popularity, and just the overall package. Even her "sloppy" work at times is outshined by her personality or look, no one really dwells on her botches or mistakes in general that's how much she's loved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyRocks View Post
    Melina is the sloppiest top tier diva since Lita/Trish, except I think Melina is even sloppier. It doesn't matter who she is facing. I don't care about any of this memorable matches. For as long as Melina has been training, if her performances really do have a HUGE difference between who she is working with, then I think she needs to go back to the basics for awhile.
    Co-Sign!..I agree with you on Michelle as well, as a matter of fact I don't think many would disagree. She's the closest thing to the perfect package as far as the current Divas are concerned. She's got her shit together in the ring, and thanks to Lay-Cool she's finally showing personality.

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    Tiffany suspendid. I expect her to be fired next. Especially if only she was suspended and not Drew. Since the incident involved both of them.Too bad She's my favorite face in WWE next to Natalya.

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    They said it was a domestic disturbance, what it just yelling or were punches thrown?

    I wonder who started it? I'm guessing it was her since she's the one suspended.

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    What in the hell is so bad about the Bella Twins in the ring?

    If anything, they're very solid compared to their peers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    What in the hell is so bad about the Bella Twins in the ring?

    If anything, they're very solid compared to their peers.
    What peers? The FCW girls? Tiffany, Layla, Fox, Eve, and even freakin' Maryse wrestle better than them; are those the peers? They trump Rosa. That's about it. The only thing they have going for them is that the fact that they are twins. If we had just a Bri or just a Nikki, I feel like more would agree that they are pretty worthless as wrestlers.

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    I don't think the Bellas are as bad as people make them out to be. I think their biggest flaw is they're really basic in the ring and just not interesting, but they move around a lot better than other Divas like Torrie Wilson, Maria, Ashley Massaro or Rosa.

    And how often do you even see them wrestle? It's not like they've been in the title picture. Essentially they're the T&A Divas of the current roster and they're not nearly as bad as the T&A Divas of the past.

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    Based on what?

    I've never seen them have a noticably bad television match and they've never been called upon to do more. In their tv matches they are often solid and surprisingly botch free for their experience level.

    I'd say either or both are better than Mickie James was before she left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    What in the hell is so bad about the Bella Twins in the ring?

    If anything, they're very solid compared to their peers.
    Agreed. Brie certainly is. As I said before Nikki is the weaker one but they are both solid enough. I would even go as far as calling Brie good by WWE standards.

    They suffer by having literally no storylines or reason to get behind them. And the fact that when they do appear on TV they are generally portrayed as star struck flooseys.
    Last edited by MMH; August 13th, 2010 at 6:42 PM.

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    It's just ridiculous that people seem to base their like of Divas based on how hot they are and how many moves they know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    It's just ridiculous that people seem to base their like of Divas based on how hot they are and how many moves they know.
    Yeah thats true. Layla gets slack from some people too and I love the little things she does in a match. Shes basic in her offence etc but she tells a story really well. Maryse does too come to think of it. She is pretty clumsy but it works for her as she plays her character like shes one step away from being totally deranged. I really like the little nuances in her character.

    Funny thing is The Bellas are rather hot too. Very much so infact.

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    I'd rather watch the Bellas wrestle than get stuck watching Kelly Kelly.
    The Bellas' biggest problem is their "Arm Candy to Guest Hosts" status. They're really not that bad. Their matches on Superstars tend to be decent, at least.

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    I don't get the Bella hate around her either. They rarely if ever botch, are fairly athletic, and move well around the ring. The switching thing is played out, but I think they got a lot of unnecessary flack. They're not Natalya or Michelle, but they're able to go out there and manage to not stink the place up. They need personalities, but the same could be said for Eve, Gail, etc...

    Surprised at the Tiffany situation. When I read the headline about a Diva being suspended I thought somebody had gotten drunk or caused a scene. Watching her in the ring though, she looks like she doesn't take a lot of shit. Probably smacked Drew around a little bit haha.

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    I have noticed the Bellas seem to be improved over their earlier work on SmackDown/ECW, where they had some stinkers. The few matches they've had since coming to RAW, they've actually held up fairly well and like I said, shown visible improvement.
    My bigger issue with them is they're incredibly boring as characters, as their entire gimmick is they are twins and flirt with just about everybody. I actually was starting to get interested when they were involved with the Colons/MizMo feud and seemed like they make each take a side. I'd be happy if something like that happened again, as they started to show separate characters and a bit of depth and gave me a reason to care about them.

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    I think the reason people are down on the Bellas is the whole 'lol we're twins!' thing. Basically that's their only gimmick and they're driven it into the ground.

    Maybe if they started showing a difference in looks and attitude more people would get behind them. I remember one storyline where one twin liked the colons and the other liked Miz and Morrison. They should have kept that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    It's just ridiculous that people seem to base their like of Divas based on how hot they are and how many moves they know.
    Knowing wrestling moves is a plus, even if it's like 10 or 15, the fact that most female wrestlers don't really sell and don't make the impact of the shit they're doing believable bothers me and I'm sure plenty others. It's funny, Hulk Hogan put together like 10 moves every match, but he made it work. Then you see a guy like Eric Young, who does the same 4 moves every match and he's just going through the motions, extremely monitone if that makes any sense. Sunny can't wrestle for shit but if she got in the ring you can bet her sub par skills would be elevated by the charisma behind how she performed them.

    As far as the looks go, that's even more complicated. Do I think my wife cheers HBK, Cena, or The Miz because of their skills? Doubtful. Are there women wrestling fans who care more about looks? Of course. Same can be said about guys. You don't see a lot of Nick Dinsmore and 2010 Sabu's main eventing Summerslam and getting better pushes and phatter paychecks. Bastion Booger wasn't pushed as a serious character, neither was Buddy Rose even though he was the shit. So when you think about it, the qualifications for what most fans look for, openly or not, is no different male or female.

    Good night.

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    So when will Tiffany get 'Future Endevoured'?

    TNA Knockout maybe?

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    well seeing that she was arrested, it may be soon

    Not to sure TNA will pick her up.

    What did you expect, she pulled out a drink on national television! She plays hard, she fights hard!

    I liked to know what exactly was she doing to get arrested, I doubt they would have done if it was just yelling.

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