I think Peyton is the future. The problem is they are such a comedic act that it's difficult to take either of them seriously. It's been that way since NXT. I can't speak on their work prior. I dig their team and I think they'll thrive way more now that there are tag-team championships. That should be a good path for Peyton to break off and become the next big thing.
I don't know. I think Peyton absolutely could be a dark horse for the future of the women's division, especially the tag division. But for now I just don't see her as much more than a secondary player. She's more than a jobber and I bet she will pick up some title reigns, but I just don't know if she is capable of captivating an entire audience like Charlotte and Becky can. BUT this is one of those cases where I 100% want to be proven wrongOriginally Posted by Nash Diesel
Peyton looked pretty good in NXT and has a legit Finisher with the Widow's Peak. I expected more from her after coming to the main roster, but she's been unimpressive so far. That doesn't mean things can't change.
A big issue for Peyton is the fact they want to make The IIconics as obnoxious as humanly possible when they talk. I mean, that's part of the way to get heat and they've already crossed that threshold but it feels like they don't know when to allow them to hit another gear when they're writing for them. It's just foot on the gas and make them sound annoying as possible.
Did anyone else know that Jazzy (Alpha Female) and Kay Lee Ray were signed to NXT UK? And I hear whisperings that Viper might also be signed? The NXT UK women's division is looking hella strong now (in terms of in-ring skill).
I did not hear about Jazzy. Where'd you hear that? I would prefer we get more of these talented women on a brand other than the NXT I don't watch, though.
I know they were both at the Takeover Blackpool. I imagine that was enough of a flag of notice that they'll be headed there. The last I read (which was at least a month or two ago) is that Viper is still headed towards WWE. Seems like she'd be a fit for the UK Brand.
Apparently they announced it at the most recent NXT Takeover, about Jazzy and Kay Lee (I could be completely wrong, though). That would be fantastic if Jazzy, Viper, and Kay Lee were all signed. With Rhea, Toni, Killer Kelly, and Jinny, that brand is looking extremely strong. I don't know much about Isla, and honestly haven't been that impressed with Xia Brookside, but if those are the two weakest links... yeah, they are doing things right I suppose.
So regarding confirmation of signings...
Back in 2000 I dont think I looked at Trish as the legend she'd become.
Side note...
Asuka v ????
IMO just have a fatal fourway or interbrand gauntlet. Asuka v NXT Smackdown Raw and NXT UK.
Or v. Evans, Peyton, and Naomi
So is that a yes or no to the question?
The "????" was to signify she doesn't have an opponent yet. Followed by my opinion on what they should/could possibly do.
I'm referring to the question about Peyton.
Just saw on Facebook:
So stoked that Jazzy's back.
Yeah, I was certain she was done. Glad she's back and can't wait to see her wreck house.
A work? A shoot? Thoughts?
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...er-war-651501/
Personally, I think Ronda uses swear words like a 13 year old and it is super awkward. And Becky is basically the queen of shade.
I think Ronda worked herself into a shoot while Becky is just being Becky.
The best thing to come out of this twitter beef might be the responses from the other wrestlers on the main roster. Luke Harper's was perfect
Ronda just sucks and I can't wait until she goes. She's so bad at doing promos that she can't even do them on social media where she doesn't have to worry about stumbling over her words 17 times and getting booed by a crowd.
Kotre and Jarrod have just put on a great debate about who Asuka's Wrestlemania opponent should be. Trish Stratus or Rhea Ripley.
If anyone has a spare moment, please vote.
That's exactly itI think Ronda worked herself into a shoot while Becky is just being Becky.
The best thing to come out of this twitter beef might be the responses from the other wrestlers on the main roster. Luke Harper's was perfect
She worked herself into a shoot trying to be edgy. I'm tellin ya she did the same shit in MMA.
I bet Rhea and Asuka could be one a hell of a match! I seriously wouldn't mind seeing Rhea make the jump to the main roster later this year, as long as they actually have something for her.
I seriously think she and Kacy will be two of the top female stars of the company in a few years after they are done with NXT.
If you feel that way, go vote in Jarrod/Kotre.
I see that more than Nash Diesel's assessment that Peyton Royce will be the one.
One thing I REALLY want to see is Rhea vs Charlotte.
Like as soon as I saw her in the rumble it was one of my big takeaways.
The same Twitter account that said Honky Tonk was going into the Hall of Fame before WWE announced it last week said that Torrie Wilson was going to be an inductee this year. Thoughts?
I don't have a huge aversion to Torrie because she was one of the main female stars in WCW/WWE for almost a decade, just curious how they're going to package that when so much of screentime was wrapped up in the sexuality and messiness that they avoid these days. And if they're going to put Torrie in, it's still a wonder to me that Sable still isn't in. And in general I was really hoping for this to be Molly's year after she inducted Ivory in 2018.
Sable will get in soon I'm sure. After all she lapped up Vince's money and make out with him in 2003ish after a sexual harassment suit.
There's been a lot of rumors that Sable doesn't want in for whatever reason.
I'm fine with Torre going in. She was a big name for a long time regardless of her wrestling.
The segments with Maven, Tajiri, Dawn Marie and her dad were so bad it was bloody funny!
I'll echo all the above stuff about Rhea Ripley. Love her and would love to see her jump to the main roster and tear things up soon. She's the future.
Yeah, people seem to overlook that people can be asked to be in but turn it down. Can't always assume folks aren't in because WWE doesn't want them in.
It's not like Sable to say no.
*buh-dum shhhhh*
Don't get me wrong, I think Peyton is entertaining as hell. And I may be in the minority, but I actually quite like her and Billie both on the mic. They aren't dropping pipe bomb promos, mostly because I think whoever writes their stuff is lame, but they are highly entertaining on the mic. Peyton and Billie both are ridiculously average in the ring for their 10-12 years of being in the business, which is honestly the biggest let down to me, plus they are booked as comedic jobbers. But if Peyton can get beyond her horrendous booking, I could totally see her being pushed as a bigger player.
As for now though, nope.
I lobve them. Iiconics as tag champs needs to hapoen at some point. Their shit impressions just make their heel act even better.
IIconics are great for what they are but i don't see them being much more than what they are, outside of tag champs, which they totally should be. Joint women's champ could also be fun.
Give it time. Peyton Royce is the future. Along with the other 2 names you mentioned. But Peyton will be the #1 female in the company mark my words.
And no, I'm not into placing bets.
I didn't mention them initially but I see a clearer pathway for them, compared to Royce.
That's not something you can easily or tangibly track in order to make a bet. The other ones were, haha.
Ok yes, you didn't mention Kacy and Rhea initially....lol.
Like I said, I am totally into that as a scenario that happens! But I do hope she gets a run or two (or three) with the tag titles. I don't ever see Peyton or Billie splitting up though. I see Billie stepping into a more managerial role for Peyton if Peyton pursues a singles career.
8:15
This has to be a work, right? I know Ronda's known for letting her emotions get the best of her, but no way this isn't Vince approved, right?8:15
Whats sad to me is the thought that if this is a work, is this really where they had to go to get some heat on her?
It's a work and a half. I've never in 10 years of following her career heard her drop 23 F'bombs like that lol. But Miesha Tate thinks that Ronda worked herself into a shoot as well and that she can't mentally distinguish fantasy from reality. Which is what makes this whole thing funny.
But I have to imagine what will happen is Becky will tap her out and build off the "So it's fake huh?" angle.
It makes me want to see her lose even more... and lord she's doing a great job at it.
I knew it was only a matter of time with her. She broke records in the UFC but it wasn't because everyone was wanting to see her WIN. She has a very 50/50 personality. Some days you're like wow she's pretty cool. Other days you're like, what an entitled baby....
To me it just reeks of someone who knows they're outgunned and they're desperate. Ronda is clearly inferior at providing a social media voice that catches on to the audience or that can play off an already-formed strong voice in Becky. It's pushing the envelope, which I'm fine with because it's not going to do anything radical to harm to product and has a chance to help, but it's still pretty silly coming from her.
Kayfabe aside, it sends a weird message in terms of, if it's fake, if you can beat all their asses, why are you here?
That's not a question you're supposed to be asking, haha.
Everyone knows why though.
I am thinking her frustrations are genuine but at the same time, taking this turn and shitting on wrestling ties into the heel turn on RAW. So now everyone wants to see the wrestlers beat the crap out of her because she's shitting on the sport. So she's essentially turned heel in and out of kayfabe. This off screen stuff's just adding another layer of heat to what's going on, making people more invested, and making it more compelling from a different angle. If you're not sold on the kayfabe reasons for the feud, you've got a 'real life' feud going at the same time.
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It's Ronda with the volume turned up. They're playing on her reputation and asking her to exaggerate it.
Becky beating Ronda is the best fairytale ending for Mania. Charlotte can always get a return match because she wasn't the one who lost the match.
Heel Rousey.
Nailed it. Hopefully this is exactly how it turns out.It's Ronda with the volume turned up. They're playing on her reputation and asking her to exaggerate it.
Becky beating Ronda is the best fairytale ending for Mania. Charlotte can always get a return match because she wasn't the one who lost the match.
Heel Rousey.
Ok, so Ronda is clearly having tons of fun with this heel turn:
https://www.gerweck.net/2019/03/09/r...nt-in-toronto/
Incredible. I think this happened to Jericho once as well when he got mobbed while in his car. That's heel heat!
Ronda should have gone full Jericho and punched a fan.
Beth looked hot as fuck at Fastlane and while I'd prefer Beth/Nia 1 on 1 I'l settle for a tag match to see Beth glamslam Nia.
Random thought: I wonder what Jim Cornette thinks about Ronda Rousey right now. He was super hyped for her coming in, fantasy booked an entire first six months for her on his podcsst. But now that she’s on Twitter calling wrestling fake, he probably wants to crucify her right next to Kevin Dunn and Vince Russo, bro.
Also, Dana Brooke just cut the best promo of her life, in her I-Phone notes, on Twitter. She’s going to be the stop-gap for Ronda before ‘Mania for sure.
He just addressed it on the drive thru actually.
He likes the general idea of the promos but just wishes they wouldn't go so far as to have her use words like "fake" and "phoney" because it hurts the rest of the program when it's supposed to be made clear that "THIS match is real." But overall he seems to be a fan of Ronda and this entire angle.
Dana Brooke.....I'm still not sure to this day what the upside to her is. At all.
She's a weird one to me as well. She's woefully average at just about everything. I'm never offended by her wrestling or her promos, but she's not exactly setting the world on fire, either. I was behind her when she finally turned on Charlotte... but I honestly don't even remember how that ended, so...
She's someone I could absolutely rally behind if I were given a reason to care, but WWE doesn't seem that interested in making her more than enhancement talent. And perhaps this is a harsh opinion, but not every single person needs (or deserves) to be a champion.
I think this recent bit with her standing up to Ronda was the best use of Dana Brooke yet. Like most of the women who have come up as the expanded the women's roster, they bring them up to the main roster and don't give us a reason to care about them. They don't give them mic time to develop a character, and put them in short matches, often tag matches that are designed to benefit only the top stars. They have to be really exceptional in the ring to make us want to see them more.
Dana Brooke may never win a women's singles title, but I could see her doing better than she has. I'd be surprised if she ever gets a "This is Awesome!" chant or even a "You Deserve It!" but stranger things have happened.
Dana would be fine as a manager. I think w/ the very little she was given in Titus Worldwide (ughh) she was pretty good and also when she was Dr. Brooke for the two seconds w/ Anderson and Gallows. She's a decent trash talker. I miss the good old fashioned managers that actually had attitude and pizazz like Sensational Sherry or Luna. If she's only going to be used in a wrestling capacity then she's a lost cause in my opinion. When she was called up she gained some weight and her wrestling was already starting to decline. And when she got her implants she could barely do anything without them blocking her vision.
I like Dana, but she's definitely bottom of the barrel. Her with Tamina, Nia, Alicia(
Dana Brooke is a stacked blond with big tits and a bodybuilding background.
She could've been the new Chyna, instead she's the new Asya.
Really though, the "best" thing for her would be if she ever got hurt, had to take about six months off, got back into bodybuilding shape and could return with some kind of trophy for some event she was in.
She was in the Arnold Classic, but she came in last place in everything she was in, because she was in wrestling shape, not posing shape. Apparently, there's a difference?
But she comes back with a big fuck off gold trophy, goes to Smackdown! and becomes the legit muscle for the IIconics and she'd have a good run. Hell, tag her up with Natalya as the new Divas of Doom/Pin Up Strong with "Business Suit Barbie" Beth Phoenix as their manager.
She'll never be a huge deal, but she could be a solid bit player.
Also, the best part of her in Titus Worldwide was when she'd come out with Titus and Apollo and she'd try to walk in those big strappy heels and when she'd do that stupid gesture they did, it looked like her ankles were going to snap. And then she'd walk down to the ring looking like a newborn gazelle trying to walk on ice. She can do a standing flip, but she walks like a toddler in heels. Its pretty funny.
Oh yeah there's a difference. Especially for the women. They aired a lot of vignettes for Dana showcasing her in competition when she debuted in NXT and she was much more defined and muscular. Ditto for Alexa Bliss. Then they start wrestling and I guess it becomes more about cardio? I don't know.
Bodybuilder muscles are for show, not for go.
Which is why Lex Luger sucked so bad. The dude was built like a Ferrari, but he had a moped engine inside. He always had the "show", he never worked hard or cared enough to have the "go".
Man, I'd love to see a really jacked up Alexa Bliss.
It'd look like your toddler got into your steroids and then hit the weight room. 100 pounds of muscle on an angry Gremlin.
Ugh that's like those pics of ripped babies on twitter. Ewwww.
Alexa actually wrestled at a house show last night. It appears she's finally been medically cleared.
The earlier reports that she was cleared must have been pre-mature.
Maybe she was but it just wasn't good enough for management. Who knows?
Who is the one we saw at the Rumble? Really green but super athletic and she did a full sit up outside on the ring post. I'd say she has serious potential.
The American Ninja lady?
Kacy Catanzaro. She's going to be something.
That's her!
This is gonna sound bad but I care more about that than Becky winning at Mania.
Yeah, the women's division of the future will be in good hands. Ripley, Belair, Cantenzaro and Sane have big time superstar potential along with talent, and Storm, Shirai, Bayzler and a few others should be stalwarts as well. This is just 5 years of work. Look at that women's match at Wrestlemania 30 - Aksana, Eva Marie, Cameron, Rosa Mendes - and you see how far the division has come.
I just watched Mania 31. I miss AJ Lee so fucking much. Like Beth Phoenix , she deserved a better crop of women to work with.
Would Ronda v AJ Lee be money? Could she return and be met with possibly a Hardy level return pop?
As far as Dana goes....she's just bland. Even her background is bland. And I'm sorry but you can't look at her and go why did you ruin your lips....? Why?? Paige why?
Dana was pornstar hot when she was with Titus.
Like a modern day Alexandra York "bend her over the desk and give it to her until your knees buckle" kind of "hot secretary" hot.
What, just me?
Oh no she definitely had the hot librarian thing going on.
Just found out Nikki Bella is retiring.
And nothing of value was lost...
Are you feeling ok lately? Some of your posts have been pretty mad and I have some expertise in that area.Like a modern day Alexandra York "bend her over the desk and give it to her until your knees buckle" kind of "hot secretary" hot.
What, just me?
Will the Bella twins be inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2020, or will they have to wait a few years?Just found out Nikki Bella is retiring.
And nothing of value was lost...
I feel like we have this discussion every time a new crop of women establishes themselves in NXT. We have high expectations, but WWE's booking always lets us down. Look at the most recent call ups that had us excited:
- Asuka is the Smackdown Women's Champion, and yet she still doesn't have an opponent for WrestleMania.
- Ruby Riott hasn't made any impact despite having a stable to back her up.
- Ember Moon is injured, but wasn't doing anything of note beforehand.
- Nikki Cross is MIA.
It doesn't help that for, the last 2 yrs., the top woman on RAW was untouchable. First it was Alexa, and now it's Ronda. You can't build a division without any rivalries. Thankfully, the Tag Titles will create more opportunities. With so many women on the main roster, it would make sense to have more frequent title changes.
You could say that and it holds water but it feels like they’re doing more with the women in terms of character development and stories compared to the men. Both sexes have pretty rough resumes if you put them side by side but I would say the women have been more compelling in terms of week-to-week stories and characters.
this has caused issues, and not just for the supporting characters. It causes problems.
Remember what happened to Supergirl when she was on her high horse.
We are friends now.
They'll put them in quick I'd imagine.
Only if you stop that ghastly Friday thread.
You can't stop Friday.
I'm fine. Fine as fine can be.
Just took the observation a little too far.
My bad.
I agree the women have been given more development in general. The bar has been set so low for the men that, by comparison, the women look allot better.
It's one of the list of things WWE has needed to change for years. They've only been set on a small portion of the roster and the rest get table scraps.
Piper Niven feuding with Rhea Ripley on NXT UK: should be entertaining.
I'll definitely be making a point of watching their match.
Why the Hell isn't Nikki Cross on TV every week, being built up as the next major Women's Championship contender? This was fantastic.
Let Nikki play.
My thoughts are that Vince has no idea what the fuck he's supposed to do with her.
He doesn't even know what to do with Asuka. He'll never figure out Nikki Cross.
Which is a shame because Cross is a fantastic wrestler, and is like super committed to her character. I still can't quite believe that he last minute scrapped the fatal 4 way just so he could reward Charlotte her 8th title reign and in the process bury Asuka a fucking week out from WM.
The bitch is back. And it feels good to be "home."
First, they'll always be Divas to me, don't give a shit. Don't @ me, lol.
Secondly, straight-to-the-point, yes... Asuka deserves/deserved better, but if anyone thought for a second that she (and the SmackDown! Women's Title) weren't going to be overshadowed by the monumental push of Ronda and Becky - and then Charlotte - then you're horribly naive. I adore Asuka, however, she's in need of a change, whether it's character direction or what, and the title loss - for me anyway - is a signal of impending change. I fully expect her to show up on RAW and I fully expect her to cross paths with Ronda once Ronda returns from injury. It just HAS to happen (I look forward to seeing Asuka beat that aaaaaaasss lol). I'm sorry, but getting the belt off of Asuka and back onto Charlotte and into the Main Event of Mania was the only way to save the title instead of marking it as the "lesser of the two titles." It wasn't an ideal situation, but the only way that belt was not going to be overshadowed was if they had actually developed a compelling storyline for Asuka starting from TLC onward... but they didn't... and honestly, the only people outside of Charlotte that could have made Asuka and the SDL Women's Belt interesting at MANIA would have been Nikki Cross, Naomi, or a returning legend... it's a little too early for Cross, for Naomi someone would have had to have gone heel, but honestly... a returning legend would have been amazing. Trish Stratus would have been a really good call with Asuka going over, obviously. But, alas.
Thirdly, I was more excited for the Hall of Fame. For the first time ever, four women were inducted. Sue won the Warrior Award and it was so wonderful to have Luna, Chyna, and Torrie all honored. Luna deserved it, and it makes sense that she received a Legacy Award because, honestly, while her WWE career wasn't really the most HOF-worthy, she most definitely had a stellar career total, across all promotions. I know some people were salty about her being inducted as part of the Legacy Class but, honestly, SHE'S IN. Other women that received the Legacy Award? Mildred Burke, the first... for one. Mildred was the Trish AND the Chyna before they ever existed. Chyna being inducted with D-X was so amazing and had me crying. Torrie being honored (and seeing Stacy return and get a huge pop) was amazing especially since the athletic women of today like to sneer their noses at "the Divas" when, in reality, if it weren't for the women like Torrie who had to put up with all the shit they had to do in the ring, most times there never would have been a women's segment.
Finally, I'm very excited for the Superstar Shake-Up. I'm not looking forward to having Lacey Evans on my screen more - since I have heard form indie talents she's a homophobe, but whatever, those gays still eat Chik-Fil-A - but I'm excited to see where everyone places and think that Naomi, Asuka, and Lana should go over to RAW and that Sasha, Bayley, and Mickie should go over to SmackDown!
I think that's a good point about protecting the Smackdown Women's belt.
It was perhaps the best thing to do under the circumstances. They painted themselves into a corner. Maybe they were hoping to get Trish, or Lita, or had other plans for the Glamazon.
So, recent rumor/news round-up.
Nia Jax is officially out for a bit, having to have surgery on both of her knees (I believe both her ACL's), which would explain why the Tag Titles went to The IIconics instead of her and Tamina possibly? In any event, hope Nia comes back and recuperates quickly. She frustrates me with how she carries herself on Social Media sometimes, but for the most part, I like her. This, however, is bad news for Tamina who, more than likely, is going to languish without Nia... and this is nothing personal on Tamina since I don't know her, but let's face it, she was riding them coattails hard. LOL.
Anyone else keeping up with the alleged Sasha/Bayley drama... like, I'm having a hard time believing it's real because these days "real life" is the new kayfabe, but reports are circulating that the two allegedly laid down on the floor of their hotel and backstage to protest dropping the belts? Sasha tweeted that in order to be the face of the women she has to be blonde with boob implants (a definite throwing of shade on her "friend" Charlotte)? I'm just so confused by all this because I think this is just a tacky way to go about a storyline if it's a work, and I think it's horribly tacky and highly unprofessional for Sasha and Bayley to co-sign this shit if it's a shoot. Like, bitch, it was all about you for like two years... Bayley, they tried with you but you can't adapt to a crowd, chica... and you're still getting hella merch, adverts, AND get all these big matches and opportunities. Like, wrestling's give and take... right now, I'm on a big upswing in my own wrestling "career," but I know that in a couple months it'll be my turn to start laying down to build up and feature someone else. I'm honestly hoping none of this is true because I'll be hard-pressed to give either one a shot again if this is their real attitude.
Conflicting reports and rumors state Ronda is healing a broken hand... while others are saying she's done and gonna go off the grid to start a family. Either way, bye. Really liked when she came in, but towards the tail end of this feud with Becky and Charlotte, that whole video of her calling wrestling fake and stuff, it just really rubbed me the wrong way because you're basically going into business for yourself and negating ANY kind of outcome that takes place at 'Mania. SMH.
With Ronda on the shelf/possibly gone... Nia injured... and the weird drama with Sasha/Bayley that may/may not be a work... that leaves 4 crucial spots open for other girls to step up.
I agree that Tamina's pairing with Nia was more about keeping Nia as a huge threat, and Tamina was along for the ride. I hope Nia comes back quickly, because she's one of the top women they have.
I'm not so sure what to make about Sasha/Bailey - I get their frustration because the past couple of years has been a waste of both of them. I don't think the IIconics are nearly at the same level in the ring, but I think they will be getting a lot of time so we will find out if they are worth their mettle.
How long is Beth Phoenix planning to hang around? I got the impression she may be sticking around a little while, which would be a great thing.
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