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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    Wow, that really is a shit gimmick.
    It chose me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    If it doesn't explain Rey's parents in depth than it's a waste of time. Having said that, I will see it again.
    what exactly do you need explained about her parents? what kind of depth do they need in the context of this story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    what exactly do you need explained about her parents? what kind of depth do they need in the context of this story?
    Who they were. How did Palpatine have a kid, who was the kid's mother? Was he a clone? Is Rey a clone? Where was said kid during the entirety of the saga? How about those questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Who they were. How did Palpatine have a kid, who was the kid's mother? Was he a clone? Is Rey a clone? Where was said kid during the entirety of the saga? How about those questions?
    what about them? none of them are that interesting. palpatine had power and was a regular looking dude up until ROTS, i imagine women were willing to fuck him. i dont need the details of how he managed to have a kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Who they were. How did Palpatine have a kid, who was the kid's mother? Was he a clone? Is Rey a clone? Where was said kid during the entirety of the saga? How about those questions?
    The giant missing holes about Palp's return is a much bigger problem than Rey's parents and their connection with Palpatine. It makes perfect sense that a Senator from Naboo (Palp's job before he took over) would have a child. That does not seem odd to me at all.

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    According to the Visual Dictionaries, Rey is 20 at the start of Force Awakens. Her parents had her 10 years after Return of the Jedi, so he'd still be alive when he had a kid.

    If he was able to hide being a Sith Lord for decades, hiding a wife/child seems very plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Who they were. How did Palpatine have a kid, who was the kid's mother? Was he a clone? Is Rey a clone? Where was said kid during the entirety of the saga? How about those questions?
    It’s a sci fi kids movie series not a song of ice and fire

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    Star Wars > Game of thrones. Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter is so shoe horned into this thing that he needs to explain it. Is the son a clone or not? Did Luke train him as he was killed by a Jedi Hunter? JJ never shows his work and if there is 40 more minutes hopefully it is tondo that instead of show something and never tell.

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    Thing is, kids pick up on plotholes etc and appreciate good stories too. I saw Phantom Menace in the cinema when I was 12, prime age to love Star Wars, but I'm certain I didn't see Attack of the Clones until it popped up on TV, and I didn't watch the original trilogy at all until I was about 16. I remember not really understanding TPM which in hindsight was absolutely correct because it was nonsense.

    In other words, to say that having large plot points explained isn't important because the movies are aimed at kids (which itself is highly debatable) is dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Who they were. How did Palpatine have a kid, who was the kid's mother? Was he a clone? Is Rey a clone? Where was said kid during the entirety of the saga? How about those questions?
    Screen time dedicated to answering those questions would be many, many degrees less entertaining than lightsaber fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simmo Fortyone View Post
    Screen time dedicated to answering those questions would be many, many degrees less entertaining than lightsaber fights.
    The same Rey/Kylo fight we got since TFA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Star Wars > Game of thrones. Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter is so shoe horned into this thing that he needs to explain it. Is the son a clone or not? Did Luke train him as he was killed by a Jedi Hunter? JJ never shows his work and if there is 40 more minutes hopefully it is tondo that instead of show something and never tell.
    what the fuck are you talking about.

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    look I don't disagree that this new trilogy is mediocre but why would Palpatine's son be a clone? feels like that's overthinking it, but I must be missing something.

    the revelation of her being a Palpatine did strike me as odd given that they seemed to answer the question in TLJ that she was a nobody. was Kylo intentionally withholding that fact from her in TLJ or did he not know?

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    No. Rian Johnson is just a dumbass, and wanted to ruin Star Wars. J.J. had to try and fix his mess.

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    Making her a nobody was better. It lead to the theme of Last Jedi where everyone has the Force even people who don't have special family trees. Making her related to Palpatine fits this Elite narrative that you have to come from this Royal family or close it to be a Jedi. Which is bullshit. I would much rather Rey find Jedi to train than side quest for an hour to find a dagger.

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    Everybody can't use the force though, and family has always mattered in SW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVDA View Post
    Everybody can't use the force though, and family has always mattered in SW.
    Everybody can use the force; some bloodlines (or species) are just better at it.

    I don't mind Rey being related to everyone as much as Palp coming back from the dead with no explanation.

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    He wasn’t dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    He wasn’t dead.


    I don't know how you survive that…

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    He flew through space, obviously.

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    So he pulled a Leia? Maybe it does make sense…

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    Finally saw this today.

    I'll post more in depth thoughts at some point, but just to say I thought it fucking brilliant.

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    Saw it last night finally. Coming out the cinema first thoughts it was not bad but not the best.. I never compare them to the other ones I just go to enjoy them. I’d say this comes off as the worst of the new trilogy.

    Did I miss something though about Palpatine having a son? Also didn’t see that coming Rey being his granddaughter.

    EDIT: WOW the fans really took Ben Solo dying pretty bad, wanting him back lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Did I miss something though about Palpatine having a son? Also didn’t see that coming Rey being his granddaughter.
    No, you didn't miss anything. This had never been established or remotely hinted at in any way. Like most plot elements of this movie, it makes no sense and also undercuts its own message - like Rey's internal battle is about whether she is destined to be a piece of shit because of who her grandfather is/was, even though obviously that doesn't mean anything because her parent, who was literally Palpatine's child, was not evil and they were able to successfully repress any Palpatine-ness that existed in them.

    I don't think it's nitpicking to ask these questions, the plot is as confusing and nonsensical as the prequel trilogy for sure. Some questions to bear in mind:

    1. At the start of the film, it's stated that Palpatine is broadcasting in an attempt to reach out to Kylo Ren. Ok great idea, but isn't there that thing where highly powerful force sensitive individuals, like these two, can to some extent communicate telepathically? You know, like tons of characters have done, including Luke/Leia on several occasions including Empire Strikes Back? And indeed, like Kylo Ren has been very prominently doing with Rey? You would think Palpatine would be able to reach him without the need to rely on radio signals.

    2. The MacGuffin is the 'Sith Wayfinder', again it's not clear why this would be needed, or why there would be two of them, or how anyone knows that there are two of them or how they found out where the other one was. It doesn't seem difficult to find but has apparently sat there for 20 years unfound.

    3. The dagger which leads them to the crashed Star Destroyer - who crafted it? Where did it come from? Did Palpatine make it? The thing where you have to line up the dagger with the outline of the Star Destroyer is one of the stupidest things in the movie - it relies on the holder being stood in the exact spot that Rey happened to be stood when she figured out what the outline was. They are stood on what appears to be a long cliff but this lineup wouldn't work if she was a hundred yards to the left or right. It also wouldn't work if the crashed Star Destroyer shifted in the water or suffered further damage. It's absolute nonsense.

    4. Who built all the Star Destroyers? Are they manned? What's going on?

    5. Anakin built C-3PO; so...did he programme him to be able to understand but not allowed to translate the Sith language? Why does this feature exist? This is actually more a hangover from Phantom Menace because it's completely idiotic that Anakin would build a protocol droid to help his slave mother, it makes no sense.

    I genuinely don't understand how people could think this film is brilliant. It is at best a moderately entertaining way to fill a couple of hours, as long as you don't think about the plot AT ALL. It doesn't make sense on its own terms, let alone as part of a trilogy.

    It's hard to rank the films in the trilogy because they all have major failings but I'm inclined to say that the Force Awakens ends up being the best almost by default - its own internal story mostly makes sense (because it's just a retread of New Hope) and it sets up some interesting plot things. It's not TFA's fault that those things are never paid off and in some cases just totally dropped and ignored.
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    It's the best of all the films.

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    It definitely isn’t.
    The Force Awakens was miles ahead. Had a great feel to it and wasn’t full of annoying little plot holes.

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    Could be bullshit but it does at least feel like they have something resembling a plan so there's a good chance this will be better than the recent film trilogy.

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    I am very excited for The High Republic. They have a lot of great writers, both old and new to the Star Wars world. Really excited to see the Jedi in their prime.

    I know it is fashionable to shit on the sequel trilogy, but a concept and construction of the High Republic was never going to happen with these movies. There was a rush on these movies the minute Disney bought them.

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    That's no excuse for not having at least a relatively coherent story or any kind of plan, to be fair.

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    True, and I am sure there will be plenty of people who will crap on this as well.

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    They definitely will if it sucks. Best thing they could do is make it not suck.

    I don't claim to know anything about the process of creating a TV show but decent or better shows come out all the time. If anyone has the clout to bring in the required writing, producing and directing talent required to make these things a success, it's Disney. Their animated films are generally of a high quality, even the worst ones are certainly watchable. Marvel have reached the same level where for the last five years they haven't put out anything that can reasonably be described as bad. The live action remakes are dreadful but they literally only exist to part idiots from their cash so they can see a shitter version of a film they've already seen, so they barely count. There is no excuse for them to not put out competent films and shows, at the very least.

    Star Wars is yet to find its groove since being bought up - I haven't seen it but I've heard some promising reviews of The Mandalorian so that probably bodes well.

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    You know this project is about books and comics, right?

    I would think if it takes off and is popular, they will adapt it going forward.

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    Actually I thought it was those things plus TV, my bad. Although I stand by my wild rant.

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    The Mandolorian is quite good. Potential to be outstanding. I would suggest that this style of programming will develop into the best star wars content we have seen. The Mandolorian is already among the greatest star wars projects and it seems to be in its infancy.

    @Gangers, your specialty appears to be discussing things passionately that you haven't seen and/or dont know about.

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    The animated series have been the best Star Wars things they have done since the original trilogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    The animated series have been the best Star Wars things they have done since the original trilogy.
    I highly agree with this. Both clone wars and rebels are amazing. Now they did make Anakin look like a fucking fool on the latest episode of clone wars but it cant be perfect.

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    I'm a big fan of the animated shows. I wish I would've known years ago that The Clone Wars was not in order. I was confused for a while when it was on. Rebels is some of the best of Star Wars?

    Has anyone seen Resistance? Now that it is on Disney Plus, I'm going to start watching. The animation style looks pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    I'm a big fan of the animated shows. I wish I would've known years ago that The Clone Wars was not in order. I was confused for a while when it was on. Rebels is some of the best of Star Wars?

    Has anyone seen Resistance? Now that it is on Disney Plus, I'm going to start watching. The animation style looks pretty cool.
    I havent yet, resistance that is. I meant to before ros but honestly forgot about it. I will watch it at some point but it's not as high on the list at the moment.

    Rumors swirling that rebels will be picked back up once clone wars is done. Not going to really be rebels per say but the continuation of ezra's story with ashoka and sabine looking for him.

    They really do seem to be sitting on a gold mine with ashoka as well. I didn't realize how fiercely popular she was. Fans are fantasy booking Rosario dawson for the live action version of her and I can say that wouldnt disappoint me. However, I'd say it's pretty plausible for her voice actress, ashley eckstein, to do it as well.

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    Yeah, I've heard both Rosario Dawson and Brie Larson mentioned.

    I know Ashoka got a lot of flak when Clone Wars started, but she is pretty high on my all time character list.

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    Ashoka still being alive in Rebels and still a question mark after Rebels irritates me. Mando has to run into Luke. Like there is literally not an option here. Maybe at the end of the run, but it has to happen. Ashoka should stay dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    Yeah, I've heard both Rosario Dawson and Brie Larson mentioned.

    I know Ashoka got a lot of flak when Clone Wars started, but she is pretty high on my all time character list.
    Please no. Brie Larson needs to stay the fuck away from Star Wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEETH View Post
    Ashoka still being alive in Rebels and still a question mark after Rebels irritates me. Mando has to run into Luke. Like there is literally not an option here. Maybe at the end of the run, but it has to happen. Ashoka should stay dead.
    It’s a big galaxy, seems like there are a lot of options. It would be cool to see Mando bring Baby Yoda to Luke’s school

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEETH View Post
    Ashoka still being alive in Rebels and still a question mark after Rebels irritates me. Mando has to run into Luke. Like there is literally not an option here. Maybe at the end of the run, but it has to happen. Ashoka should stay dead.
    She isnt dead as of now anyways. Filoni more or less confirmed it. Her nor Ezra's story has ended. Ezra's is intriguing now because we know Jarrus was dead but ashoka still spoke to rey but Ezra did not.

    So much goodness still left in star wars

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    So they have changed the story again in the TRoS novel. Rey's father was a failed clone of Palps. So does that mean that Palps was her father and grandfather, and that Snoke was her uncle? Jerry Springer couldn't think this shit up.

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    The novel that was suppose to clear everything up has made it worse. I firmly believe they are going to disavow this. It also means Rey is part clone, now it explain how Luke knew she was a Palpatine, because Luke is are bit off in the Force and part of a reason not to train her, but he does anyway for like three days. This entire sequel trilogy is an example why you have an A to B to C main plot instead of this chef salad story telling where every chef thinks the other one sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVDA View Post
    So they have changed the story again in the TRoS novel. Rey's father was a failed clone of Palps. So does that mean that Palps was her father and grandfather, and that Snoke was her uncle? Jerry Springer couldn't think this shit up.
    Ahahaha what a sack of shit. Cant believe how badly they have blown this trilogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVDA View Post
    So they have changed the story again in the TRoS novel. Rey's father was a failed clone of Palps. So does that mean that Palps was her father and grandfather, and that Snoke was her uncle? Jerry Springer couldn't think this shit up.
    Snoke was a nothing. He legit had no part in the bloodline as he was created as a potiential host body from nothing.

    There are rumors there are more to this story we could see played out in the mandalorian . We shall see. I need to go read the excerpt from the book that's out online now about the son being a clone.

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    Why bother? Just make up some bollocks in your head about what you think the plot was - it'll be better than what they came up with.

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    They could have combined the Thrawn Trilogy, the Dark Empire comics, and The New Rebellion, and made an amazing sequel trilogy. I'm glad Bob Iger fucked off. Jeremy from Geeks + Gamers thinks he is running for Prez in 2024. I don't care what he does as long as he isn't ruining our childhoods with his virtue signaling and identity politics. Now whoever is in charge at Disney needs to tell Kathleen Kennedy to do fuck off a cliff.

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    Kennedy is most likely gone when her contract runs out either later this year or next.

    I'm please with the casting of live action ahsoka.

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    I hate Ashoka. Fell asleep during her Clone Wars episode this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    I hate Ashoka. Fell asleep during her Clone Wars episode this week.
    It was setting up story. Geesh

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    I love me some Ahsoka.

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