Anyone seen it?
Anyone seen it?
You.Originally Posted by Version 6
I'll be going on Christmas or the following weekend.
Okay. Hope you enjoy it.
Wasnt my cup of tea. In fact, it was my least favourite Star Wars film of all time. And has done irreparable damage to my love of the franchise. Can't really say any more without spoiling shit.
And I say that as someone who enjoys the prequel trilogy, liked Solo and found a lot of redeeming qualities and interesting choices in TLJ.
See, I love Star Wars but I'm not a die hard. I wasn't a fan of Ep 1 and 2, but I've loved everything else to be honest. Ep 7 and 8 were good. I came to the realization after Ep 2 that no way in hell will they be able to do better than 4 and 5. So my expectations are always centered, I'm just hoping to be entertained and if I'm not well then this one will find itself on the same list as Phantom and Clones.
I've been a fan of this franchise since I was 6 years old and my mom bought like $2,000 worth of toys from a kid for like $100 at a garage sale. I seriously had about 40 figures, I had the Darth Vader and C3PO carrying cases with all the figures that go with it. Vehicles, the Yoda playset, I had Rancor,the list goes on. My mom gave all that shit away, (well not ALL, I still have Empire Han where he's in the blue snow uniform) not even realizing what we know now lol. I could have been fucking RICH!!!!
Point is...It's going to take something that would have already happened i.e. making Han Solo a bad guy, to fuck my life on Star Wars lol.
You won't find me dressed up as some Gamorrean at a con so I'm not that deep in it to where anything from now-future will ruin it for me. Maybe this one needed a little baby Yoda
I like star wars so much I even liked the last jedi. I suckle that blue milk out of the teet.
I had no issues with TLJ, none that would make me go on these social media rampages that a lot of fans do lol.
The problem is that the first 2 were just so fucking amazing, everything else is going to be very hard to put on that level. But then you have a lot of people that I would assume don't care for the older movies and do enjoy the newer stuff. Not everyone grew up with Star Wars.
I mean shit, there are people who like remakes more than originals. Like myself, I love the 1990 remake of Night of the Living Dead. I think it shits all over the original but I also like the original so that's not hate it's just I like the one I saw first more lol.
Well if you just want an action packed, fan-service filled romp, and you don't care too much about how this movie impacts what came before - then you'll enjoy this film.
If you're the type to look at a series like this a bit more globally, and you care about how this movie relates to what came before - you're gonna have a bad time.
I saw it and I'm glad this is over.
I saw it as well. I didn't like it, but I didn't hate it.
I don't go as far as V6 though to claim that this movie ruined things that came before it. At least no more than other movies in the franchise have done.
I think it ruins everything that comes before.
I've seen that complaint from others
Last 30 seconds made me cry.
I can see how people will bitch about it and oh my god will there ever be
There is a quick moment that happens between two characters that I am sure if going to be fucking pinpointed and bitched about even though it has nothing to do with any part of the story. However it won't be big enough or celebrated enough so it will be moaned about for months
I will get more into stuff a bit later.
I bet I know exactly what you're talking about and I thought the exact same thing.
*edit* Which is a bad thing that I was thinking about that at that moment.
Right and I get that but
I concur with vrm and Pablo. There are things that I would say suck the life out of the sequels in this film, but that is not it. It's actually a lot of EU shoved in this, you know the stuff Star Wars fans loved and we're pissed that were lost. Now that it is here I'm curious to see if there is a bunch of backtracking on the EU.
Haven't seen it yet but it would be hard to live up to the universally beloved TLJ. The bar was set so high.
i think it's been shown that the last jedi is far from universally beloved.
Your ability to detect the sarcasm has been clouded @Morrison
I have tickets for the 5 p.m. showing. Work is going so sloooooooow.
What do you mean by "how this movie impacts what came before"? Are we talking how it ties in to the overall story or are we talking something bigger like how it affects human beings in real life and their perception of the franchise?
Either way.....Nothing has been remotely as good as Empire since that dropped and outside of Ep 1 and 2 I haven't really been too negative about any movies since.
Rogue One was just as good as the OT movies. This idea Disney has no idea is dumb, because Mandalorian is fantastic.
It's not as good as Empire or New Hope but it was a good movie. Mandalorian is great. I was worried that it wouldn't have a great budget and would look like that Krypton show on SyFy. But it looks just as good as the movies and oh man BILL BURR killed it on the newest episode. We need more of him down the road. Who knew that guy could look like a legit badass?
And yeah if Disney didn't know what the fuck they were doing these movies including the Marvel movies wouldn't be shattering box offices.
Rogue One is serviceable, but handles the characterization of its cast horribly. They could've done more in my book if they wrote them out better. It's saved by the third act. Solo was good, but I just couldn't get past the bad casting of Han.
And too many attempts at one-liners. The whole movie is just one shitty one-liner after another. And they kind of made Han out to be a bargain bin Bruce Cambpell, at least that was the vibe I got from him. It wasn't really Harrison Ford-esque. That also hurts, just like whoever is up next to play Wolverine. You have such an iconic character and the person who played the role was almost the person themselves in real life. You can't manufacture Harrison Ford as Han Solo or hope someone will "Sorta" fill the shoes.
Either way, good movie. I'm still holding out for a movie where they go wayyyy back in the history of "the force" I want to see how it all started.
I loved Rogue One as well. But it seems to be universally appreciated amongst Star Wars fans, so I don't think we are alone in that regard. Rogue One being good is a fairly popular opinion.
Agree to disagree I suppose. For mine, it was just poor storytelling to
In addition to the above, there just seems to be no overall plan or arc to the new trilogy. Say what you will about the prequel trilogy, there was an overall arc which built to the third and final film - which then flows seamlessly into the original trilogy. There was also incredible world building, with places like Naboo, Geonsis, Mustafa, Kamino, Coruscant, etc. Absolutely none of that in the new trilogy.
ROS plays it safe, and is just pandering fan service and a retcon fest. There's a lot of action, but no actual soul.
The thing I love about the prequel trilogy is that it gives the events of the original trilogy so much more meaning and gravitas. It expands the universe, raises the stakes and gives a lot of context (arguably, too much in some respects). The sequel trilogy does none of that and in a lot of ways undoes a lot of the good work of the original trilogy, and in fact some of its own good work.
It's a shame - because the acting in this sequel trilogy is great, the visuals are stunning, there's a lot to like in isolation. But altogether, it's just an incoherrent hodge podge.
Oh don’t get me wrong. I did not like the movie. There were far too many bad/annoying things they did. I just disagree with the assertion it impacts the previous movies as great as you feel it does.
It sucked. Come to the Star Trek side. We still have unwarranted hope with Picard.
Picard will succeed due to Star Wars failure or Picard will fall into the current Trek problem is everything is the Federation's fault thus betraying everything about Star Trek. I will say Rise is still better than two thirds of the prequels.
Yeah but Mandalorian is already here.
Obi being out there gives me hope as well.
I seriously enjoyed the entire first half, but the writing took me out of the movie completely in that second half thematically its a mess
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The original star wars was a weird and very nerdy accident. It was proven VERY difficult to replicate with a loaded cast in the mostly bad prequel trilogy. This was a very fun modern take on SW with some old characters to connect to and some new ones that ranged from (mostly) decent to solid. Going the route of lesser known actors(to USA audiences particularly) and building characters like Kylo and Rey and Poe to anchor the series was a real success.
I agree with V6, mostly. On balance, I think Rise of Skywalker is more bad than good (though there are some good things), and I think the trilogy has basically been kind of a disaster in terms of storytelling.
The good parts are mostly the performances - Adam Driver has been the best thing about the trilogy and he's really solid again. Daisy Ridley does well too, in fact all the core cast do a good job. Some of the action is pretty good, a lot of the visuals are interesting and some shots in particular are really striking and memorable.
The bad - oh boy. I think without getting into spoilers, one overriding thing is evident from the whole trilogy, which is that there was basically no planning at all. When you compare it to the very well received and mostly coherent MCU leading up to and including Endgame, you can see by contrast that they had no idea what story was being told or why. It's pretty unforgivable and basically everyone involved with the planning and execution side has come out of it looking worse.
Kathleen Kennedy is supposed to be the Kevin Feige right? Supposed to make sure that everyone STAYS ON TARGET and heads in the direction already agreed upon at the outset. Instead what we seem to have had is JJ Abrams fighting a war against Rian Johnson, both trying to shit on each other's ideas - I think if Abrams had been in charge for all three then we'd have got a coherent, safe, crowd pleasing trilogy of movies that didn't rock the boat too much and were really just supposed to evoke the original trilogy. If Johnson had been in charge then we'd have seen him try to push the boundaries of what Star Wars could be - tell some different stories in this galaxy that weren't as beholden to the originals, which would have been bolder but probably more interesting. As it is, it feels like what we got was kind of the big budget version of some kids playing Star Wars on the playground, making up their story as they went along without much regard for things already established.
More thoughts including plot points and nitpicks:
I'll think of more later, honestly talking about it is making me more annoyed. I'm not a Star Wars fanboy at all, and I think the very Reddit-esque style of getting in an uproar about these things is ludicrous, but as I said at the top, the whole trilogy has massively suffered from a lack of planning and has ended up being a garbled mess.
I agree with you on most parts Gangers except for one bit in your spoiler and something that V6 mentioned as well in his last post
As you've both said though, there clearly wasn't a true plan for this trilogy outside of making more money. Which is a shame because I think they could have done a lot with the characters they introduced.
I referred to it as someone rushing in a term paper they started with a good theory and subject matter, but just plowed through their findings to get to their pre determined end. I also think JJ should not have been given the reigns back. Give it to a guy who owns 10 percent of Star Wars at one time...Steven Spielberg.
Making it up as they go. You just need someone at the top with an authorial voice who can oversee the development of the trilogy. I'm just frustrated there was no oversight on the direction this trilogy was going to tell. If Disney had said "you know what, let's not start production on The Last Jedi until after The Force Awakens is out" then Abrams could've given the trilogy a consistent direction. What were they worried they'd lose money or something? I still don't understand why they didn't have a structure in place from VII-IX with all the director(s) on board from the get go with a vision from start to finish. And why plan a trilogy of films if you don't even have a rough treatment of all three ready?
By the way I thought the first half of Rogue One was so tedious that I turned it off, I haven't even seen the second half of it.
One big thing that doesnt make sense is they didnt have the usual suspects from Lucas film oversee the continuity aspects of the film.
Thier biggest mistake was thinking 3 different directors telling thier own story in each of thier movies was a good idea. Has an idea like that ever worked?
The Last Jedi was a much better movie.
Saw it again. I liked it better. The emotional stuff paid off better and it felt more fun. I do think the film has some problems that are self inflicted for no reason.
Saw it. Loved it.
Explain yourself
Well..the first trilogy had three different directors, but Lucas had one vision. That is the first mistake is not having a concrete plan for all three films. Kathleen Kennedy is suppose to be the Kevin Fiege of this is universe, but she has sorta failed in that regard. It's probably in better hands if David Filonia or John Favrue were in charge after seeing Mandalorian. I think this film will be shit on for some good and bad reasons. Yet alot of that has to do with JJ's storytelling of not explaining jack shit, but he wanted to do it like Anakin's saber or Rey auto leveled up in her Force abilities. Without a solid foundation, this was destined to be shaky.
Personally I think this trilogy will be loved in 10 years. Force awakens is perfect star wars and tlj challenges everything you know. Rise of skywalker confirms it all
I haven't seen a movie this bad since It Chapter 2.
If it was Rey Mysterio, fin Balor, EC3PO, Bteam8, Kylo Reilly and Poeman Reigns, I'd be down
What I liked:
- Seeing the "big three" characters together for most of the film.
- Daisy Ridley's performance. I thought she handled various emotional situations very well.
- The scenes between Rey and Kylo.
- Many of the locations looked incredible.
- They just about got away with using Leia.
- A couple of moments where the film finally slowed down.
- Comedy moments.
What I disliked:
- The all-out assault on the decisions made in The Last Jedi.
- The Knights of Ren.
- How Kylo Ren ended up.
- The movie lacking the confidence to follow through on choices or at least let them resonate.
- The Emperor.
- The choice of ending.
I LOVED this movie. Loved. It.
I'm goin to see this shit later on today. I'm not excited at all. I just don't know how dude can fix shit after the harm that TLJ inflicted.
I’d suggest that you stop watching for about 20 seconds, 5 minutes before the end of the film.
Just watching Red Letter Media's review and one of the first things they say is 'this will be taught as how not to plan a franchise, and will be directly contrasted with Marvel'.
I'm really baffled by the uncritical reviews in here from Mik and GBF among others. Mik in particular because he teaches film so I thought it would be particularly jarring to him.
Not even kidding I think this is my favorite SW film ever.
I don't know how people that say they love Star Wars can just brush off the shit that Rian Johnson did in TLJ. He completely ruined the lore. Especially with him changing how fucking hyperspace works.
Nothing can ruin the lore. The prequels proved that.
Nah. The Prequels have a few holes, but nothing like the Sequels. The worst they did was add the midichlorian stuff.
The more I think about it, this is the greatest film ever made. Star Wars or otherwise.
Return of The Jedi is the greatest movie of all time.
I don't need to go on about how he's a bad person and I've had my fandom ruined, but like others have said TLJ killed any buzz folks had after enjoying TFA. On reflection, I was trying to comfort myself after watching a bad film. It just didn't feel right at all. After TFA, I was excited for more, after TLJ, I'm just "Let's get it over with, I guess." Casino Zone, everything about Poe's subplot, no Knights of Ren? It offered nothing to the characters and was a huge waste of time. That was horror level of writing where they made all of the wrong decisions that gradually makes the movie worse and worse. Or at least the movie doesn't do enough to make me feel like it makes sense.
You probably like showtunes too, don't ya?
So it's treason then.
I legit had trouble sleeping last night because of this piece of shit movie. I fucking hate Rian Johnson. I fucking hate J.J. Abrams. I fucking hate everybody at Disney that are responsible for TLJ and TRoS.
It's more Star Wars fatigue than anything but anyone who says TLJ didn't hurt the franchise needs to think long and hard. Box office numbers are only unfortunately a thing executives should care about but here we are arguing over what caused the issues.
I just found it to be enjoyable fan service. I enjoy the Star Wars films, but they are generally just popcorn entertainment. They aren’t hallowed ground for me and they have never been groundbreaking pieces of art or particularly breathtaking or their acting, scripting, story or character development. Their main appeal is their visual effects, action sequences, world building and mostly nostalgia and I got what I was looking for in those regards.
There were Ewoks, I liked it.
Pervert
I went in expecting this to suck, and it did not suck nearly as bad as was feared. My wife told me that JJ Abrams really didn't have a lot to work with after the last ones, and we agreed they did a pretty good job considering this. On balance, I enjoyed myself watching this - and if a movie can be a fun ride, and get me out of the foul mood I have been in for a month now since I was laid off, then I have to consider it a success.
And to @DVDA's suggestion that the worst the prequels did to ruin the lore was the midichlorian stuff, you must have forgotten Jar-Jar.
jar jar ruined the lore how, exactly?
Saw it a 2nd time today with my mom as it is a Christmas tradition kind of thing.
I liked it the 2nd time around even better. My mom, who is a notorious chainsmoker, did not leave her seat once throughout the movie which is an accomplishment in itself. A few scenes wrecked her. It was honestly the best Christmas present ever.
STAR WARS STAR WARS CANTINA
One of the things that Disney is missing is a brand manager who's the single source of information about Star Wars - if anyone knows someone at LucasFilm who's hiring for that role, I volunteer as tribute. They know how things work, they know why they work, they know what the limits are. I had some respect for JJ, but not anymore, even Phantom Menace felt like Star Wars compared to these 3. This movie was better than VIII, but still ranking in the bottom three out of 11 movies made. As much as I hated Hayden Christensen, at least there was a cohesive story, vision, and world.
Attack of the Clones is the worst one. As bad as this is or maybe, it's not even close to how awful that film was.
From what I read they have that over at Lucas Film and they were involved in every movie except for this one
Also bit excited about the Ahsoka news.
Enjoyed the Mandalorian season finale, but the writing is elementary as frick.
I like this show, but they need to push Din's solo run. He looks cool, but he's a total jobber until he's written to take out the big baddy at the end. Everybody can hold their own except him.
It's entertaining, but it's like a kid is writing it.
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Saw the Rise of Skywalker today. There was some good stuff like the visual effects and the fight scenes but the story was a bit predictable and felt a bit rushed.
Good light entertainment but not sure it would have much rewatch value.
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Mandalorian is the best thing going today.
My apologies, I was referring to Rise of Skywalker.
How so? You might not like him, but Jar Jar ruined nothing about the lore.
Immaculate conception ruined the lore.
I saw it and thought it was good. This new trilogy was rather consistent quality-wise in my opinion. At the moment I would probably rate these as:
TFA: 6/10
TLJ: 6.5/10
ROS: 6.5/10
None of them are that good, and none suck. A perfectly adequate and forgettable trilogy.
I said from the start that JJ Abrams guarantees you a 3 star at worst, 4 star at best movie.
JJ Abrams is a glorified trace artist.
I'm glad we didn't get the movie that he wanted to make. It would have been even worse.
This is where I sit. Good film in that regard.
Story-wise it was pretty shit. You could have watched this without seeing Last Jedi and everything would have made total sense.
The
was silly because it was such an obvious fake out that it didn't have any emotional punch whatsoever.
says the guy whose 'creative' gimmick is to reply to things with youtube clips of other people's work.
You know you are getting a clip for this.
So a well placed leak States we will probably see "the JJ cut" released in theaters near the end of this month that will increase the run time 23 minutes. Similar to the strategy Disney used for Endgame.
If that wasnt enough Disney will release a 40+ minute longer version than the theatrical cut exclusive to the Disney+ streaming service to help bump up subscribers..
#takemymoney
I didn't want to do this, but you've left me no choice. No rentals for a week.
yaaaaaaaaaaawn.
Wow, that really is a shit gimmick.
If it doesn't explain Rey's parents in depth than it's a waste of time. Having said that, I will see it again.So a well placed leak States we will probably see "the JJ cut" released in theaters near the end of this month that will increase the run time 23 minutes. Similar to the strategy Disney used for Endgame.
If that wasnt enough Disney will release a 40+ minute longer version than the theatrical cut exclusive to the Disney+ streaming service to help bump up subscribers..
#takemymoney
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