Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo
One of my best mates lives for Star Wars. Seen every movie multiple times, got most the games novels, all that jazz. He was a kid when the original came out and it hooked him.
TLJ is his favourite film of the franchise, bar none. And he's not alone.
See absolutely nobody liked it.
I've got a friend who is the same. He won't rank TLJ over ESB but it's his 2nd favorite.
same, I really liked Rey, Poe and Finn in TFA and found them thoroughly likeable (black, white, vaginas or penises are irrelevant), but in TLJ I didn't care about any of them whatsoever. Rose and Holdo on the other hand were sewer garbage, same goes for Benicio Del Toro's character, dreadful. I might even prefer Jar-Jar Binks to those three.
To each his own of course but this is almost shocking to me. I'm a pretty old fart and watched ESB in the cinema in 1982 and was a huge SW fans for many years; games, action figures, some of the novels, Marvel/Dark Horse comics etc but I still find TLJ to be about on the level of Caravan of Courage (yes, I've seen those..).
I watched it again tonight. It's a fascinating film to me - easily the most complex and layered episode in the series. It's great to see some real conflict between the characters. Watching the Resistance bicker, betray each other and fall apart in pure desperation is something we've never seen. The idea of Leia shooting Poe would have been unthinkable in previous films. I also like how there are consequences in the film and things don't work out in the heroes' favour. The fleet escapes and the Dreadnought is taken out, but so many lives are lost. Finn and Rose's plan is a failure. The Resistance doesn't make it to Crait undetected. The message to the Resistance allies has no response.
TFA set up the idea that Luke had walked away, whether we liked it or not, and I thought TLJ was smart in finding a reason that isn't obvious or easily undone - conveying his complete and utter shame at nearly striking down Kylo. It's totally in keeping with the impulsive nature of the character. Seeing the incident from three different perspectives was a nice way to showcase how both characters have been scarred in different ways.
I loved Kylo in this film. He just runs the full gamut of emotions - sympathetic when Snoke is slapping him down, repulsive when he's berating Rey's parents and how she's nothing special and ultimately tragic when he falls into the same pattern as Vader by asking Rey to help him burn everything down and rule the galaxy. I've said it before, but I love the fact that when he first connects to her using the Force, his immediate instinct is to "force" her to bring Skywalker to him.
The showdown with Snoke and the throne room fight is a classic scene, as is the lightspeed suicide run. I also love the Falcon coming to the rescue on Crait and how the TIE Fighter chase music is used. Solo tried this music as well, but it just didn't have the same impact.
There are definite problems. TLJ has some very funny dialogue and sight gags, but the start of the film is humour-heavy and quite jarring as a result. It has a long running time and it's pretty relentless in terms of the impending doom; even more so than ESB. Finn is ultimately under-served, but does grow over the course of the film from someone only concerned with keeping Rey and himself safe to someone willing to sacrifice himself for the cause. The Canto Bight stuff isn't horrible, but it seems like a very long route to furthering the plot of getting onto the Destroyer. The idea that it has to be the lead ship tracking them because....reasons...wasn't convincing to me - there were a few similar moments of dialogue or plot devices that could have easily been cut or simplified. And while I think Luke's sacrifice at the end is moving, it will always bug me that they tease an epic lightsaber duel and don't follow through with it.
People wanting "more backstory on Snoke" are the ones that have truly baffled me. Here's the backstory --> he's the fucking villain. End of backstory.
The fact some fan are bothered about if some of the stars have a fanny or not blows my fucking mind. OD50 is the only person who dislikes it that has given a valid reason and hasn't shat over it for dumb as fuck reasons.
A bit disappointed when Luke appeared as hologram/illusion only.
Emperor Palpatine had no backstory before the prequels...
I remember not even having a clue his name was anything but "The Emperor" until I saw his action figure that was called Emperor Palpatine.
I absolutely couldn't stand TLJ. Halfway through the movie I was already finding myself groaning out loud, and walked out of it just kind of "meh" in a way that had never happened to me with a Star Wars movie before.
Let me start by saying this...movies are entertainment, and entertainment largely lies within the eye of the beholder. The idiotic notion of one side or another saying "no, x is great, and you're wrong for disliking it" is just stupid. All I can speak of is my own issues with the film and I recognize they are MY issues, and others may not find them problematic at all...
First, an on-going theme of my issues throughout the movie, was what I believe to be over-reliance on a particular tool and poor storytelling when taken within the scope of a trilogy. The use of subversion by Rian became so overdone that it's attempt to not be cliche began to feel cliche. Specifically, the use of subversion being used to tie up most of the loose ends to The Force Awakens in anti-climatic fashion. Who is Snoke, why did Skywalker leave a map for people to find him, who are Rey's parents, why is she so naturally gifted from piloting to the use of the force; these were all strings left unpulled at the end of The Force Awakens that I was intrigued by and helped lead to my excitement for The Last Jedi, anxious to see how the story built. However, instead of those stories building, they largely were just abandoned, killed off, or ended anticlimactically in the 2nd chapter of a 3 chapter story. While I understand that for some the surprise of it may've been entertaining, it was not for me. Instead, it felt less like a surprise and more like a bad joke, like being told you're being taken to a 4 star restaurant and then being served a Big Mac. The typical story narrative you have over a trilogy just didn't feel there, and instead of being left wondering "how are the heroes going to prevail in the end" or "I can't wait to see how x, y, and z get resolved" heading into the third movie, instead I'm just kind of sitting here going "meh?" with little real interest.
Second, for me, it conflicted with my expectations for the feel of a "holy trilogy" star wars film. Now, will this illicit some to roll their eyes going "ugg, neckbeard living in his momma's basement"? Possibly. I don't really care if it does. The reality is that the reason this property could sell for $4 Billion dollars, the reason the movies could do so well, was in part because of the original fandom that was present. Simply disregarding them or just going "These movies aren't for you, check out" is not going to magically make this more successful.
I loved Rogue One and thought it was an excellent movie. I enjoyed it being very different in tone than the Trilogy movies; a movie set in the Star Wars universe rather than a "Star Wars" movie, of sorts. That worked great for what was a stand alone or non-trilogy movie. However, when it comes to the core Star Wars story, I don't particularly want a huge change in tone or themes. Indeed, one of the things that Lucas used to talk about was how he attempted to roll themes from movie to movie, and from the original to the prequel, to give this semblance of an overarching drumbeat to the story.
The focus on fuel and speed of the ships, leading into the most boring slow speed chase ever, felt extremely off and far more technically nitty gritty than Star Wars had previously. The scene with suicide bombing of the First Order ship, while visually absolutely STUNNING, quickly left me with an empty "WTF" feeling as to how no one in the universe...where there are mechanical entities that can fly things themselves...didn't realize putting a hyperdrive engine onto just about anything and just ramming in into things was basically the best weapon EVER. Luke, the man who's entire theme through the OGT was HOPE...who through RTJ was continually showing his hope that Vader, arguably one of the most genocidal villians in the whole universe, still had good left in him...ended his time on screen being a sarcastic ass to a young man while proclaiming there was no hope for him and nothing good left in him. Leia, who was shown to be force sensitive, suddenly being suddenly shown not only to be extremely force powerful, but with force powers that we had never even seen before in a faux-death scene (oh look, another Rian "its what you think, no it's not! see how smart I am for constantly going "gotcha!") that ultimately proved to be utterly and completely pointless. Just so many things tonally didn't hit the right note for me.
Then just a spit fire...
The entire side mission to the casino felt ridiculous stupid and pointless, not to mention filled with nonsense writing that exists simply "for the plot". For example, Maz not bothering to provide the codebreakers name instead of "the man with the red pombloom", or that they basically failed their way into finding someone to do the thing supposedly only the other guy could do by being tossed into prison with THE other potential guy.
The entire Holdo / Poe dynamic on both sides are just incredibly stupid and made little sense to me, with both acting in just illogical ways that seemed to only be present for the sake of plot.
We're left seemingly with Kylo Ren as the "big bad" of the third movie, standing as one of the least intimidating and inept villians I can recall. He's been bested now in two straight movies, he is more emotionally whiny and petulant than he is me, he's been provided zero reason to think he really provides any direct threat, and is a character I just find tiresome more than interesting.
Rose's stopping of Finn pulling a Randy Quaid, seemingly killing herself to potentially save him instead of him killing himself to potentially save everyone inside the encampment, and that being played off as some noble and great thing to do had me relatively dumbfounded. Especially her "saving the things we love" spiel rang hollow, both because the affection for Finn felt completely weird (with the kiss honestly just seeming skeevy to me), and the fact that the impression the movie was giving me wasn't that Finn was doing it simply due to his hate for the first order but actually because of his love for the group and people who brought him in and helped him realize he was more than just FN2187.
For me, there was just nothing that I found particularly enjoyable or fun about the film. Nothing that left me waiting anxiously for the next movie. Nothing has me curious or excited for the trilogy to conclude. It's just kind of...there. This is coming from someone who put TFA as probably #3 in terms of my favorite Star Wars movie, and no worse than 4th.
Wait, you're saying that people's problems with a movie is that they didn't enjoy it?!
Well holy shit, who would've ever imagined.
So seriously, your only argument is basically, what? That there's "proper" reasons for disliking a movie? Please, enlighten us, what are "proper" reasons for disliking a movie. How does one define a "proper" reason to an improper one?
All I'm seeing is actually you feeling the movie played to YOUR individual whims and tastes, which is apparently a "proper" reason to like a movie...but it not appealing to other peoples individual whims and tastes is not proper.
For me, I didn't really care if we got more backstory on Snoke or not. I didn't care about whether he was Darth Sidieous or anything else. If more info came; awesome...but that's not necessarily what I wanted.
What I wanted was relatively understandable story structure and narrative.
Snoke was set up as this big, menacing, threatening presence and antagonist in the first movie. This was good, in my eyes, because Hux was kind of a buffoon and Kylo was questionable at best as a villain. Come movie two, Hux is made out as even MORE of a buffoon and Kylo's questionable traits as a villain (again is defeated, again more petulent, whiny, and angry than threatening) are both actually played up. Snoke, up until his death, was still the only villain they've presented that gave me any sense of actual danger.
I wasn't demanding in my head that he be given some big backstory. Or be some character from the past. Or even that he had to massively demonstrate his power. However, what I did want from him was to either facilitate the threatening presence of the enemy in the trilogy, be it through himself or be it through the eventual rise of Kylo to that mantle. However, if the manner in which they killed him off was to do the later, it failed spectacularly for me.
My issue with the killing of Snoke and leaving so much unanswered or unknown about him isn't based around him being some great and enthralling character, or even that the notion of killing him was bad. It was that he all together felt wasted, killing off a character before his life had any payoff and in a way that his death didn't have any payoff either.
Considering where we are....
It's like having the Hurricane best and go over The Rock in a feud, while at the same time making the Hurricane continue to be presented as a comedy character. The rub falls flat and benefits no one, because the audience just can't buy into the guy getting put over.
The rub that killing Snoke gave to Kylo's character, for me, was relatively pointless because nothing about Kylo actually feels in any way threatening, menacing, or interesting as a villain and killing off the one character that DID didn't actually help that.
Here's the question, do you have this level of expectation and apply this level of analysis for every movie you watch?
When you talk about "logical" decisions, you're essentially thinking "what would I have done" because what you consider to be the decision you would make is what you consider the logical choice. You're a product of your upbringing (culture, education, etc) so something that makes sense to you might not necessarily make sense to something from a different upbringing. Notably in this case, being brought up in outer space.
The reason no one had used the suicide attack before is because of how fucking stuuuuuupid it would be to do in other circumstances. Let's take our fleets biggest best and most valuable ship and destroy it to take out one of the opposition's ships. Terrific, what do we do next? In this particular circumstance it was an act of desperation - it was about to get blown up anyway with no way of escape, may as well go down swinging. Go up to the guy with a gun and kick him in the shin, might slow him down a bit so others can get away.
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Was kind of hoping hed have a been a bit more detailed in why he didnt like the movie.
I don't believe you have picked all this apart from one viewing of the film that you weren't interested in.
No what I am saying its illogical to dislike something for it not being a retread of old movies or not being exactly like the fanfic you created prior to seeing the movie.
I understand Rian Johnson's reasoning in wanting to deviate from what JJ had laid out in TFA making it more "fresh", unpredictable and the opposite of what people were expecting, especially with fans complaining about TFA being ANH 2.0, but maybe he took it a tad bit too far with like ten bait-and-switches and now we have a very splintered fanbase with half of them screaming for Rian Johnson's blood and boycott of every new SW film, and the other half calling them bigots and not "progressive" enough. I haven't checked in for a while but the comments on the Star Wars FB page was ugly for months after TLJ premiered.
Kind of sucks, SW should just be some good old swashbuckling fun adventure in space to look forward to. To me at least.
I think what jars with me about most of the criticism is that to dislike the film it's almost as if you have to actively try. If we ignore the story beats, then what we have is still a romp through space with exciting set pieces and incredible visuals. Even if you have no interest in the characters or dislike how they are portrayed, at the most basic of levels the film is well made and a visual feast. The strongest reaction should effectively be 'meh', or a disappointment that what you wished happened did not, yet the strongest reactions we've seen have instead been batshit crazy.
Nerd culture is toxic in places at the moment.
I think "meh.." is pretty much how I feel about TLJ. Didn't like it but didn't boycott Solo or mail anthrax to Lucasfilm because of it either..
Please don't use the word jar at all when discussing star wars. It still hurts after all these years.
Yeah, it's still a bit jar-ring..
agreed. online commenters in general are a toxic breed.
Not sure whether I mentioned this at the time but one of my friends is a semi-successful scriptwriter, his ex is a very successful script supervisor and she was brought in with a team of people by Disney to look at Rian Johnson’s script for TLJ and they identified pretty much all of the things that they thought the audience generally wouldn’t be sure about/would be unhappy about and they didn’t change a single one of them.
just re-watched The Last Jedi and thought it was great. not sure what the fuss is about. This is my favorite Star Wars movie outside the original trilogy. I think the critics nailed it in when they gave it so much praise.
there are some cheesy lines for sure (many of them by Rose but I like her otherwise), and Benecio's stutter was weird, but otherwise no complaints.
thought the Luke/Ben/Rey/Snoke storyline was handled pretty much perfectly. Snoke dying in this one instead of episode 9 was surprising since he is the equivalent of the Emperor but that made it a bit less predicable. I do wonder if ep 9 will be lacking with just Kylo as the villain since Snoke was more villainous but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. in regard to just episode 8, it all played very well.
I think Episode 9 is set up perfectly for Kylo to be a really interesting villain. Is he going to be completely unstable, to the point where the First Order want rid of him? The dynamic with Hux should be really fun.
I honestly do not get people who actually dislike the character. The writing has been so good. His volatility makes him so much more interesting than a one-dimensional servant of an evil leader. Everyone in his life has failed him. Han was a cynic about the Force. Luke contemplated murdering him in his own bed. Leia is rebelling against the empire that he’s helping to run. And he was seduced by a creature who humiliates him over his failings and bridges his mind with another Force user without his consent. That scene where we see him turn on Luke - and how he interprets the scene vs Luke’s interpretation - is perfect. Call him whiny or petulant, but he is stuck at the point of trauma just like people are in real life. He can’t control his emotions because he’s still the boy who watched his mentor ready to strike him down.
Abrams clearly enjoyed playing with the character in TFA so I think he’ll give us a fitting conclusion to his arc. We now have Rey set up with her own devastating background in a nice mirror to Kylo and I really hope they don’t reveal she has some powerful or noteworthy bloodline afterall. How does she react to the fact that she couldn’t turn Kylo? Will we get any more reflection on the fact that she went straight to the “dark” when Luke was giving her that lesson?
For those who are interested in some kylo news...
It's certainly on the short list of things that should definitely appear in Episode IX, alongside Lando and Force Ghost Luke...
And...
Episode 9 is gonna need to be 4 hours long lol
Probably get the infinity war and harry potter treatment to send the purist fans over the edge. In fact, that would be a great monster troll april fools joke by disney next year.
After a second viewing, still just kind of ehh to me. Not bad but not one of my favorites. I definitely didn’t hate it. Didn’t even not like it, per se, I was just kind of bored with it. My wife liked it much better the second time around so that’s good.
biggest beef with TLJ is Luke brushing his shoulder off
modern references have no place in star wars dammit!
You either like... or dislike. There is no try.
Movies these days, or franchises more specifically, are really just becoming the lunchables of entertainment. They're not bad, but not particularly good either. Or good for you. Last Jedi was a beautiful film, but now most movie goers are wanting more than just pretty visuals. We want to see justice done for what we love, and the proof is in the pudding. The fans rolled there eyes because they saw it for what it was, eye rolling schlock w/ no thought-out direction for the story. There's nothing to build or capitalize off of. All we have have are a bunch of dead old fleshed-out characters, boring and one dimensional new characters w/ no idea what they're doing, and a weak ass top heel.
I'm glad at the pushback by the masses. We want good movies, and TLJ was not a good movie. End of.
You are wrong on pretty much every account there.
VHS has absolutely shocking opinions when it comes to films. I don't think I've ever agreed with anything he's ever said tbh.
shocking opinions in general. the thank god its friday thread being the absolute distillation of his personality.
i didnt like TLJ on the whole. a bunch of intriguing things, a few good moments but also a lot of stuff that missed the mark for me. kylo ren not being one of those. he's one of my favorite things about the franchise at this point. adam driver is amazing. he's everything anakin should have been in the prequels.
Exactly!
He's volatile. Conflicted. Impartial to sand.
Kylo Ren is as dangerous as he is uncool, and I love it...
They made him every loathsome young guy you see on the news for killing a bunch of people...
He's that asshole...
As much as I don't like TLJ as a whole I have no problem with Kylo Ren. I guess people were expecting/wanting a new menacing badass Vader or Maul type and got a sociopathic, emo, man-child instead.
I imagine this is based on how he was promoted during TFA previews. Definitely came across as the 2nd coming of Vader. Then when it wasn't so people complained after they had time to catch their breathe about a black stormtrooper.
Edit: actually just went back and watched TFA preview and it answered Rey's story arc in 4 seconds. WHO ARE YOU? I'M NOBODY
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Rey has the backstory you'd expect from the villain. Alcoholic neglectful parents, grew up in the middle of nowhere, had an incredibly harsh life where she had to rely on herself to survive...
And then you have Kylo, who's of noble lineage, heroic legacy handed to him that he squandered...
Like others I didn't hate TLJ at all. I just hated that one storyline and unfortunately it took too much time.
I loved the Rey and Kylo stuff. Loved Poe being shown that sometimes it is good to follow orders and not go all hotshot damn the consequences. Didn't care that we didn't find out about Snoke, he's not the story.
Billy Dee Williams is back for Episode IX. Good news to hear. I'm sure he'll be one of the people to respond to Leia's beacon.
Hopefully he brings Shriv with him. The best part of battlefront II
Keri Russell will also be in IX in a yet to be named role.
Please don't kill him off. I always found it really strange he hadn't been in the movies yet. They had to bring back someone. Kind of cool if he’s the only one to make it through this war.
✔ Knights of Ren
✔ Lando Calrissian
? Force Ghost Luke
Force Ghost Luke is probably not going to happen. JJ will make him live.
But...
I feel bad for those who didn't like Luke in TLJ and want him alive in IX, but that isn’t going to happen. It just can't. No matter what kind stretching in terms of lore you do that would be an outrageous retcon. Moreover they can't make his role too crucial at this point. Luke has been moved aside, and it's time for new characters to take the spotlight. However I can't imagine him not appearing as a Force ghost. It's a must, and I'm all for a role of Force Ghost Luke. It all depends on what they have him do. Luke coming back would downplay everything that happened at the end of TLJ. There has to be cost to his action. I’d feel cheated if he came back to life, because I'm convinced Luke is gone that's what the film tells us, both literally and on the emotional level. It would definitely feel unnatural if he was alive in IX. It seems like JJ's story was finished before TLJ came out so I don't expect there to be any kind of change based on reactions to the film. Just accept it.
I have begun to think that Solo 2 (probably won't get made) would be an intro into the Obi Wan movie. Hopefully it still gets made.
I hope they really cool it with spin off movies.
I know Rian's got his trilogy after IX and I'd prefer them to stick to trilogies, but set them in different eras exploring different themes. That allows them to build up characters rather than introduce and kill of them in the span of one film. I'm getting sick of stories set in the same general time period. Do Darth Bane. Do KOTOR. Do Korriban with the ancient Sith. There's a lot more lore to explore than the era they're sticking to.
All of this.
Lets have different genres as well romance, war, thriller, horror, comedy...there is so many options for them to explore and yet it seems like they don't want to move away from the original trilogy.
They need to be confident like marvel and throw characters at us who the majority of the general public aren't familiar with but present them in a way that they feel they know them. It's not easy but I'm fairly certain its very achievable.
A KOTOR movie should be what the Yoda film is. Yoda has a young Jedi who has to assemble a group to help rebuild the Jedi after The Sith wreck them in a war.
Not sure exactly what this means, but it's interesting.
/There we go:
Interesting.
My first thought was that this will be finished versions of those last episodes that were released only in animatic form. Maybe it's entirely new episodes? Someone more knowledgeable about the Clone Wars than me will know.
Seems like they will follow the siege of mandalor, which was involved in the unfinished final episodes.
Such a bizarre tease of Anakin and Asoka at the end. I guess they will have some sort of final meet face to face with Anakin getting his chance to say goodbye to Snips.
Finally watched Last Jedi and thoroughly enjoyed it. Nerds really cried and made petitions bc of this shit?
Bb8 is a real one too. Straight up beast.
They are doing 12new episodes of Clone Wars.
First trailer for Star Wars Resistance:
Looks different but I kind of like it.
Got a very Saturday Morning cartoon vibe to it which isn't a bad thing. I will be watching.
I read somewhere that they wanted it to be anime like in style. Personally I haven't watched any anime since probably the early/mid 80's so I can't tell if that's true or not.
In that old ass anime I remember there was a guy that could transform his arm to a gun or something like that. It was probably called "Cobra" something. Also was some evil robots and stuff I think.
Even before clicking on it just from the thumbnail. Is it not just the legend of korras brothers?
It kinda has a Breath of the Wild vibe, and I'm ok with that. I hate people complaining that an animated show on the disney channel looks like a kids show. It is a kid show! They said the same thing about Rebels, and it has some of the best star wars moments in it.
I think people will have to live with the fact that Star Wars is firstly aimed at children, no matter how many adults enjoy it these days. I saw an interview with George Lucas a while back where he talked about making the OT mainly for 11-year olds. Makes sense to me, I was probably 6-7 when I saw ANH and ESB and loved them of course. My parents on the other hand who were in their early 30's at the time didn't get them at all.
I'll admit to hating the PT, thinking they were ridiculous being 23-29 during the period they were released. My nephew on the other hand who was born in 1991 and was 8 when he watched TPM loved it, especially Jar-Jar and the Gungans.
Last Jedi was so bad it broke Plinkett.
Wow. Red Letter Media fundamentally gets the force wrong in a Star Wars review...
I've seen some bad analysis, but that's up there...
That review was horrible. Granted, i only watched 5 minutes so maybe the other 55 kicked it into high gear but it was a hot dumpster fire.
have you never watched RLM reviews before?
Nope. If i have i probably did the same thing if that review is his standard.
their reviews of the prequels are some of the most popular critical reviews of those films. they're a comedy network. if you watched only five minutes you saw nothing of the actual review.
This is excellent...
After watching that video, I now realize TLJ wasn’t a bad movie w/ a message I didn’t understand. TLJ is a cinematic masterpiece and the best Star Wars movie of all time!
who watches star wars movies looking for a message? lol
20 minutes? Fuck that, I'll just watch the movie again.
New trailer for Resistance. I wasn’t blown away by the racing stuff in the first teaser, but I like the feel of this now and there’ll definitely be some action involving the First Order.
Kathleen Kennedy has gotten a three year contract extension...
Kathleen Kennedy has gotten a three year contract extension...
I didn't boycott SOLO. I'm not sure if I'm joining the boycott of Episode 9 yet.
Why?
I didn't boycott Solo, but still haven't seen it. I just had no interest in seeing someone other than Harrison play the role.
Solo was an ok little action/adventure flick, the Solo guy (Alden?) was ok but not the one I would have picked for the role I think.
I disliked TLJ but I'm not ready to boycott all SW because of it.
What "ruined" Solo for me was while it was visually cool, the characters for the most part were solid-even the dude playing Han....I just didn't like how it seemed every other line was trying to be funny. Literally every other line was like some whack ass joke. Not to mention the nods to immigration and segregation and gender equality.....leave that shit out of Star Wars.
Overall I would give the movie a 7 out of 10. It had the potential to be so much more than what it was but I dug it.
I know the SW brand integrity thing is obviously huge to a lot of people but these are fun films. If the prequels didn't destroy the franchise, nothing will.
I grew up a star wars kid, watching the original films a million times as most of us did. I just don't get how seriously people are about some of this stuff.
Keep your expectations reasonable and everything released after the prequels has ranged from decent to quite good.
I thought Solo was a solid 8. I really liked the guy that played Han. I didnt have any preconceived notions on how I wanted the film to look, but it touched the familiar stuff for me. The humor felt very in line with OG Han.
It wouldn't have been so bad if it was mainly Han with the one-liners. It was every other line of the movie seemed to be some type of weird one-liner attempt. They probably figured that it should take more of a comedic approach but not for everyone. Even Vision was trying to be funny.
Well, better get used to it with the terrible trio of KK/JJ/RJ still in charge using Star Wars as their own little vehicle to push their social justice, feminist, leftist liberal agendas. All of that is fine and dandy but I don't want it in my Star Wars cereal so to speak.. Tastes bitter and sour.
In some possibly more interesting news, "The Mandalorian" live action series has been revealed:
Jon Favreau is the writer/producer and Dave Filoni will direct the first episode.
Sounds to me they will do some kind of Clint Eastwood western in space so to speak.After the stories of Jango and Boba Fett, another warrior emerges in the Star Wars universe. The Mandalorian is set after the fall of the Empire and before the emergence of the First Order. We follow the travails of a lone gunfighter in the outer reaches of the galaxy far from the authority of the New Republic
https://www.starwars.com/news/the-mandalorian-revealed
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Why did Finn and his love interest go to Planet Vegas? I honestly can't remember. I remember them saving the space camels and the love interest saying "That's why we do this" like she's Linus in a fucking sentimental Peanuts moment. It was cornball horseshit.
Well, most of the movie was just different shades of horseshit..
To answer the question, I think they were looking for a hacker (a.k.a "slicer" in the SW universe I think) to help them get onboard the not Super Star Destroyer (Dreadnought?). I only watched the movie once nine months ago so I can't really remember details.. I think they were looking for some super slicer but ended up with that crappy Del Tor Lando Calrissian rip-off instead, that just happened to be in the cell next to them. Then BB-8 started to puke coins and there was space camels and slave kids with brooms that wasn't as important to save as the space camels.
First time I encountered the term "slicer" was in the (very good) Heir to the Empire comic from Dark Horse comics back in 1995. I actually came across the Thrawn trilogy comics before reading the books. The art in the first part of the trilogy by Vatine & Blanchard is just lovely. Not a fan of the art style of part two (Dark Force Rising) but Edvin Biukovic (RIP) did a great job on The Last Command.
Can they bring Darth Vader back as a good guy?
Why not bring Darth Vader back as a good gal?
The force is female after all, not sure if that only includes the light side though.
Why was Laura Dern being such a dick to Oscar Isaac?
Because he has one and she doesn't..?
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